/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.13392729]

Is communism the best economic system?

[Anonymous No.13392737]

I THINK THAT COMMUNISM SUCKS!

[Anonymous No.13392762]

You don't chose communism. It is the direct result of capitalism. It's like saying you like to eat but want to abolish pooping

[Anonymous No.13392795]

>>13392762
Communism is the result of mothers drinking too much alcohol when pregnant and kids lacking proper male role models when young.

[Anonymous No.13392820]

>>13392795
Cool life story bro

[Anonymous No.13392828]

>>13392729
No, but our current system is going to destroy all life on earth.

[Anonymous No.13392830]

>>13392820
Hold me /biz/

[Anonymous No.13392833]

>>13392762
>It is the direct result of capitalism

[Anonymous No.13392840]

>>13392828
No.

[Anonymous No.13392847]

>>13392729
But ... that wasn’t real communism!

[Anonymous No.13392859]

>>13392828
>our current system is going to destroy all life on earth

[Anonymous No.13392875]

>>13392833
That's Marx in a nutshell - the non-straw man version

[Anonymous No.13392915]

>>13392875
The problem is you believed it

[Anonymous No.13392925]

>>13392729
b-b-b-b-ut that wasn't real communism...

[Anonymous No.13392945]

>>13392915
>projecting belief in Ideologies

[Anonymous No.13392948]

But that wasn‘t real communism

[Anonymous No.13392962]

>>13392729
But that wasn't real communism

[Anonymous No.13393018]

iT WiLl wOrK ThIs tImE

[Anonymous No.13393041]

>>13392729
The increase of productivity induced by the more and more high tech machines will make production almost as efficient as the natural forces are.

Human labor will not be necessary anymore to produce. Production will be available directly, without the necessity to work.

Of course this mean no more profit, thus the fall of capitalism.

It is paradoxical that the increase of productivity mean the end of capitalism, but it what is happening and will happen.

[Anonymous No.13394147]

WOKE

[Anonymous No.13394469]

>>13392729
but thats wasn't real communism

[Anonymous No.13394585]

We don't care about your political values. We will make money off you regardless. Same players, different board

[Anonymous No.13394663]

the best economic system is deportation of shitskins from the first world, and eventually eradicating the world-ending problem that is overpopulation among subhumans

[Anonymous No.13395103]

>>13392762
Communism is one of the most primitive forms of human organization. You could be right only if what you are implying is that society will revert to a pre-agriculture semi-nomadic way of life

[Anonymous No.13395761]

>>13392948
>>13392962
>>13394469

Revolutionary Catalonia.

But yeah, you'll have to read the wikipedia page. Life is hard sometimes.

[Anonymous No.13395791]

>When you try to find a communist state that didn't kill millions of its own citizens

[Anonymous No.13395809]

>>13392762
The fact that you can't choose it implies a totalitarian state.

[Anonymous No.13395817]

>>13395761
>muh iron-fisted "committee" and violent witch hunts is real communism

Retard

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/spain.htm

[Anonymous No.13395835]

>>13395791
>When ignorance is not even due to a difficulty to access knowledge, but a choice and a laziness.

[Anonymous No.13395963]

>>13395817
Oh because the Spanish republic (republic = capitalism preferred political system), was so much better.

In any case revolutionary Catalonia wasn't a perfect form of communism, but it still worked for about a year.

But you're right, capitalism is so respectful of human life. Especially during the 20th century. Only joy and peacefulness.

[Anonymous No.13396006]

>>13395761
Wikipedia is a propaganda website whose content is shat up by paid lobby trolls and other types, though. Just read politics-oriented articles like the one about feminist porn and co. Or look at how youporn declares itself as being extremely philanthropic. Do you really expect neutrality in a Wikipedia article about economic models? Your naive nature is killing me. You are too cute.

[Anonymous No.13396016]

>>13392729
Yes. Next question.

[Anonymous No.13396086]

>>13392729
In heaven yes , on earth no

[Anonymous No.13396097]

>>13392729
BUT THAT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM.
It really wasn't because real communism assumes that people are not greedy, which they are.
You will never achieve pure communism with humans.

[Anonymous No.13396099]

>>13396006
>Anything that I don't agree with is propaganda.
>Can't even post the alternative source that you believe in.

Typical

[Anonymous No.13396138]

Communism only works as long as it doesn't involve more than 2 people.

[Anonymous No.13396152]

>>13396138
It doesn't even work at that level. Try having a roommate.

[Anonymous No.13396194]

>>13396006
Good dammit you nerds are insufferable.

I know wikipedia doesn't talk about certain aspect of the WWII. What happened or on the contrary didn't happen. Same for 9/11, and other cultural shit.

However, on historic or scientific topics, it is an OK source of information. Some are better but that the point of wikipedia, inform yourself about a topic quickly.

>>13396097

Another guy who don't know were he comes from. It is so much frustrating.

Yes they were communist (pic related). And nobody knows about it.

[Anonymous No.13396316]

>>13396194
Communism was invented in the 19th century. Retroactively labeling ancient people communists don't make them communists.

[Anonymous No.13396907]

>>13396316
Ok you are the stupidest ITT.

Primitive tribes, from -300000 (birth of homo sapiens) to -12000 BCE (neolitic revolution), don't know private property, money, government, hierarchy, the State, laws etc...

This is known as primitive communism.

[Anonymous No.13396964]

>>13396907
Nice try, propagandist. Now you're changing your subject from germanic tribes to neolithic people. How the fuck do you how their society worked? Regardless of how their society was like, you're just pigeon-holing them into your Marxist definitions. It's no different than dead people "voting".

[Anonymous No.13396992]

>>13396907
Communism wasn't "invented". WTF are you talking about?

Private property, on the other hand, was invented.

Mercantile society reverse everything. War is peace, work is freedom, men are women, gay is the norm, heterosexual is the anomaly.

That's why people think that there was always money, private property, hierarchy, when in fact it's the opposite. Most of human history, there was no such things.

[Anonymous No.13397002]

>>13392828
Good. I'm going to Mars to form an ethnostate. Keep your niggers and jews.

[Anonymous No.13397012]

>>13396964
I'm not a propagandist. I'm in no political or activist structure of any kind.

We know how their society worked because of something called anthropology.

In any case, there are still some primitive tribes around the world. Go see if they use money, private property, have hierarchy, laws etc...

[Anonymous No.13397015]

>>13393041
>t. Luddite

Post scarcity is a meme and you're still going to have to get a job, nigger.

[Anonymous No.13397024]

>>13395761
>they ended up with massive inefficiencies are resorted to using ration coupons also known as fucking money

[Anonymous No.13397055]

>>13397015
Enjoy you chains, slave.

[Anonymous No.13397057]

>>13392729
If you want everybody to be poor and live in desperation, it is

[Anonymous No.13397058]

>>13396194
>cavemen and barbarians were communists which is why the best warriors in the tribe got the best weapons, tools and women
>I know this sounds like capitalism, but it was really communism because most people are too stupid to think about this for more than a second and those are the kind of people I market to

[Anonymous No.13397067]

>>13397055
Enjoy poverty.

[Anonymous No.13397094]

>>13397058
Capitalism is the private property of the means of production you dumb-fuck.

It appeared in the 13th century CE.

[Anonymous No.13397102]

>>13397094
>private property in the 13th century CE

[Anonymous No.13397119]

it's better than the feudal system that's propagated by a republic pretending to be democratically elected

[Anonymous No.13397130]

>>13397067
Was does poverty even means if there is no private property.

Go buy the new iphone, alienated plebeian.

[Anonymous No.13397134]

>>13395963
hahaha of course he's from Catalonia.
Yeah it worked for a year because a year isn't long enough for the means of production to start deteriorating due to lack of maintenance or for the talent to go to countries where they get rewarded for innovation.
Or for the long-term fuck-ups caused by a centralized economy, like Mao's genius thirty-year plan.
Bet you were born in a rich family like all catalan 'defenders of the people'

[Anonymous No.13397149]

>>13397102
Yes before capitalism which began in the 13th century in western europa there was something called feudalism.

But i guess you are ignorant of this as well and think that capitalism exist since thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.13397151]

socialism is for people capitalism is for sociopaths

[Anonymous No.13397187]

>>13397134
"talent", "innovation" how am i impressed...

and you people have the nerve to criticize boomers. You're just like them but hating the generation before you that's all.

There is no economy is communism. Only production for the needs of the people.


Jeez, i know education suck big time in america, but you could try to educate yourself a little bit.

[Anonymous No.13397197]

Clearly it's not that bad since China is the largest population still.

[Anonymous No.13397219]

>>13397149
>he thinks feudalism was the only system ever

Dark ages were only a part of history, brainlet. Also there was private property, just all belonged to the King generally speaking. Rome very much so operated in a capitalist fashion. Certainly not communism. Literally every tribe or civilization of note had competition with plenty of have and have nots.

[Anonymous No.13397221]

>>13397197
>China is communist

Yeah like america, france or england are "democracies".

[Anonymous No.13397223]

>>13397187
no economy is right. No one has a clue about demand and supply, because there's no market, and because of it the centralized authority constantly underestimates or overestimates the two.
Leading to the obvious famines and waste inherent in communism.

But by all means go read your Engels and Marx.

[Anonymous No.13397262]

>>13397219
>Literally every tribe or civilization of note had competition with plenty of have and have nots.

Yeah because for retards like you and most of other brainwashed humans, human history began with the neolitic revolution, 12000 BCE. In reality it is hundreds of thousands years old, and didn't know private property or hierarchy.

You are the definition of what is a human alienated by private property.

[Anonymous No.13397269]

>>13397223
USSR is state capitalism. Even Lenin admitted this in the begining of the 1920s before dying.

[Anonymous No.13397280]

>>13397012
Anthropology is only as accurate as the evidence available.

That primitive tribes don't have hierarchies is just an assumption you make. The Native Americans have tribal councils. Their headdresses are a symbol of prestige.

Many primitive tribes use sea shells as a form of money. The Yap tribe uses giant stones for transactions.

Primitve tribes can have an idea of private property and law, though it's simpler. Look at the North Sentinel Island tribe as an example. Even if it's unwritten, they have a law against outsiders tresspassing on their property, which is death.

Even animals have the concept of a hierarchy. Alphas get first dibs on food and mates while the betas get sloppy seconds.

What conclusion can we make based on what we know about history? Large societies can't exist using only primitive systems of economy and governance.

[Anonymous No.13397281]

>>13397262
>still pushing this falsehood that early man did not take ownership of things

Why are communist niggers even on my /biz/ board?

[Anonymous No.13397299]

>>13397269
yeah didn't he suggest a reform allowing some power back to the industrialists towards the end? Was starting to see the light, huh?
Too bad comrade Stalin fucked it all up.

[Anonymous No.13397306]

>>13392729
>be america
>engage in slave markets
>kill natives off land to claim property rights
>have bigger prison population than soviet union, communist china and north korea.
>habitually overthrow democracies, that don't rule themselves the way we want.
>routinely slaughter nations that nobody can find on a map, either out of greed or irrational paranoia.

[Anonymous No.13397307]

>>13397262
>In reality it is hundreds of thousands years old, and didn't know private property or hierarchy

The concept of private property and hierarchy began as soon as humans knew how to kill each other.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/ancient-brutal-massacre-may-be-earliest-evidence-war-180957884/
https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-earliest-known-murder-victim-20150526-story.html

[Anonymous No.13397314]

>>13397306
Fun fact: America hasn't been capitalist in a very long time.

Also slave markets were run by Jews and fuck the injuns.

[Anonymous No.13397333]

>>13397307
Almost as if they were killing to take ownership of resources. buuuuuuut wait, the faggot in this thread told me they were communists.

[Anonymous No.13397336]

>>13397307
>https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/ancient-brutal-massacre-may-be-earliest-evidence-war-180957884/

Oh nice, just 2000 years AFTER the neolithic revolution. Probably just hoarding private property doing massacre after this concept was invented.

About the 2nd link, of course war existed before the neolitic revolution, but it was not for property, but women, or land. But it was not to hoard gold, jewels or shit like that. Those things didn't matter.

[Anonymous No.13397350]

>>13397314
>that wasn't real communism
you do realize your using that very same cop out

[Anonymous No.13397355]

>>13397280
>That primitive tribes don't have hierarchies is just an assumption you make. The Native Americans have tribal councils. Their headdresses are a symbol of prestige.

>Many primitive tribes use sea shells as a form of money. The Yap tribe uses giant stones for transactions.

About those, it happened after the neolitic revolution, those primitive tribe were/are not pure anymore. If they practise exchange of goods, they are not pure primitive tribes. Exchange of goods simply don't exist in primitive tribes in their original form (E.G: primitive tribe in current amazonia, Aboriginal in Australia).

[Anonymous No.13397367]

>>13397350
It you guys who are trying to cope by saying our current mode of production was always like that.

Simply said, you are projecting.

[Anonymous No.13397369]

>>13397336
>but it was not for property, but women, or land

[Anonymous No.13397376]

Just see a good documentary about primitive tribes. There are lots on youtube. Tell me if their way of life about property, hierarchy, work, ressemble what we have in our current society.

[Anonymous No.13397391]

>>13397350
Except its not. Central banking is literally a plank of communism.

>5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

Why do you faggots think ancaps and libertarians were literally the first into bitcoin? If you have a central authority that literally controls the means of trade (money), then you have a central planner for the economy. Sound familiar?

[Anonymous No.13397412]

>>13397376
Do you want to live like them?

[Anonymous No.13397436]

>>13397391
>ancaps and libertarians

There is no ancaps, libertarians, socialist, bolchevism (state capitalism), fachism, royalism.

There is only the exchange of goods. Production for profit: capitalism. And it's opposite: production for needs: communism.

Enjoy exploiting other or being exploited, cuck.

[Anonymous No.13397446]

>>13397412
No. I want to live in superior communism. Production not for profit, but for the needs, but with modern technology of course.

[Anonymous No.13397450]

>>13397436
I exploited your mother's pussy last night, if ya catch my drift.

[Anonymous No.13397458]

>>13397450
I would have heard it since i'm a NEET.

In any case, her dogs would have ripped you in half.

[Anonymous No.13397478]

>>13397458
I ripped her asshole in half. She's such a dirty little whore, that mother of yours.

[Anonymous No.13397559]

>>13397391
Central Banking was necessary to prop up the reserve scam we called the gold standard that dates back to the crusades. The Templar were not communists. But they were central bankers.