/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.13365963]

FUCK BERNIE SANDERS

[Anonymous No.13366023]

$230 billion in market cap wiped out in the past 48 hours since Bernie made his "medicare for all" statements

[Anonymous No.13366031]

>>13366023
>>13365963
fuck off leech. We deserve medicare like all 1st world countries. If you don't like it fuck off back to India

[Anonymous No.13366040]

>>13366023
Damn right.

[Anonymous No.13366047]

>>13365963
Bernie knows his socialist ideas don’t work with open borders. I would make that bargain.

[Anonymous No.13366051]

>>13366031
>wanting medicare paid by other people
>calling others leeches

I live in one of those "1st world countries", our healthcare is complete shit. It's also not free, if you're working it costs you 400€/month.
It's only free for jobless people.

[Anonymous No.13366063]

>>13366023
Imagine being against giving niggers and illegals free shit. So racist and bigoted

[Anonymous No.13366067]

>>13366031
>calls him a leech
>wants his money
typical big city amerilard

[Anonymous No.13366095]

Bernie my-net-worth-is-$2M-but-I-pretend-I-care-for-the-poor Sanders?

[Anonymous No.13366114]

>>13366047
He's not for open borders. He calls them a "Koch Brothers idea" that would lower wages. He's an old school pro-labor type so I believe him on that.

[Anonymous No.13366175]

yeah lets just destroy all investor confidence in the biotechs!!!!

that will surely help our medical industry!

[Anonymous No.13366207]

>>13366051
> €400
That's still less than half of what Americans pay. The quality of public health care varies a lot between different European countries. It's quite good here in Scandinavia and A LOT cheaper than the American health care system. Google health care costs per capita by country. I'm a big fan of free markets, but privatizing health care really does add a ton of extra unnecessary costs. The American health care system has several other problems that I won't get into..

[Anonymous No.13366215]

>>13366207
the US subsidizes healthcare globally

enjoy our wonder drugs you fucking yuropoor

[Anonymous No.13366223]

>>13366207
>but privatizing health care really does add a ton of extra unnecessary costs
Healthcare costs in america were cheapest when healthcare was private
>Big fan of free markets
No you aren't.

[Anonymous No.13366289]

>>13366215
My country has a significantly higher GDP per capita than the US kek. The "subsidizing" only explains a small part of the differences in health care costs. But yes the drug companies are cucking you fatasses because your shitty system is so easy to exploit. European drug companies make you pay way higher prices too kek.

[Anonymous No.13366290]

[Anonymous No.13366314]

>>13366289
cant wait till Islam destroys you

[Anonymous No.13366322]

>>13366223
Free market doesn't do anything for healthcare because you're dealing with something entirely more complicated when it comes to people's health.

[Anonymous No.13366326]

>>13365963
>Faggots giving Bernie Sanders their rent money for the promise of free college instead of pooling resources and starting a scholarship fund

[Anonymous No.13366329]

>>13366322
You don't need to theorycraft when the data is already available. Free market already worked in the past. Sorry gommie

[Anonymous No.13366338]

>>13366322
>free market doesnt do anything for healthcare

try explaining that to companies that build/invent medical devices

you think they are doing it for charity?

[Anonymous No.13366365]

https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/01/democrats-new-single-payer-bill-destroy-everything-good-health-care/

[Anonymous No.13366367]

>>13366223
> Healthcare costs in america were cheapest when healthcare was private
Uhm what
> No you aren't
Yes I am. Being a fan free markets doesn't mean that you have to think free markets are the solution for everything, brainlet. How about you privatize your police and see how that goes?
>>13366314
Cute.
> iceland: 99% white
> burgerland: 60% white

[Anonymous No.13366378]

>>13366314
This is literally such a minor problem in Europe outside a few select areas. America is a literal 3rd world country larping as a 1st world country and its citizens are so brainwashed and retarded they defend getting cucked on a daily basis.

[Anonymous No.13366385]

>>13366329
No it didn't. Single payer is extremely cheaper than private, plus private allowed companies to collude and take advantage of people.
>>13366338
Has nothing to do with the conversation.

[Anonymous No.13366412]

>>13366385
it has everything to do with this conversation

profits are the incentive for companies to risk their money investing in new drugs or technologies. if you take away the profits you take away the incentive

are you a brainlet or just trolling

[Anonymous No.13366424]

>>13366385
But it's literally impossible to be cheaper on a per purchase basis. The government is just buying the healthcare the consumer would have normally bought on this own, but now you have to pay for a massive bureaucracy too. It can't be cheaper

[Anonymous No.13366442]

OH BOY I CANT WAIT TO FEDERALLY FUND ABORTIONS WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY DRIVING OUR DRUG COMPANIES OUT OF BUSINESS

THANKS BERNIE! IM REALLY FEELING THE BERN NOW!!!

[Anonymous No.13366447]

>>13366442
THIS!! WE NEED MORE NIGGER BABIES!! ABORTION IS BLACK GENOCIDE!!!

[Anonymous No.13366450]

>>13366442
Voting for the worst possible candidate is always the best option. Accelerationism isn't a meme

[Anonymous No.13366460]

>>13366447
NO YOU FOOL WE WANT *MORE* ABORTIONS

ITS A WOMANS RIGHT TO KILL THEIR BABIES, DESTROY THE PATRIARCHY

[Anonymous No.13366468]

>>13366460
FUCK YOU
ABORTION = BLACK GENOCIDE
ABORTIONISTS ARE LITERALLY HITLER

[Anonymous No.13366469]

>>13366378
This. Sure, if your household is making $400k+/year then the US is great. If that's you, congrats. But the vast majority of Americans don't have higher standards of living than people from the wealthy European countries. If you're in the bottom 25% if the income distribution then the US is complete shit. Your average American gets cucked on so many levels. Insane work hours, short holidays, absurd health care costs, low hourly wages, third world levels of crime, shitty education system etc.

[Anonymous No.13366478]

>>13366468
WRONG
ANTI ABORTIONISTS ARE LITERALLY HITLER
ABORTION = FEMINISM

[Anonymous No.13366492]

>>13366478
WHY YOU WANT TO GENOCIDE BLACK PEOPLE YOU BIGOT? BLACK ABORTIONS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. ALL NIGLETS ARE MADE BY GOD IN HIS IMAGE AND DESERVE A CHANCE TO LIVE YOU FUCKING BIGOT ABORTIONIST

[Anonymous No.13366503]

I don't get it. It's not like big pharma has to give away the medicine for free. The state/insurance company will be forced to foot the bill. So by all accounts this just mean an even more secure source of income.
But hey, burgers aren't humans. Fuck knows how they think and why this is bad for the pharmaceuticals

[Anonymous No.13366514]

>>13366503
>implying the government is going to be paying retail prices

[Anonymous No.13366518]

>>13366051
>UK
>First world
LMAO, not a single anglosphere country is first world.

[Anonymous No.13366570]

>>13366051
I went into the hospital with severe stomach pain and got slapped for almost 30,000 dollars worth of medical bills AFTER INSURANCE. I regularly avoid getting help for medical problems and I’ve had a friend die because they couldn’t afford to go to the hospital. Fuck off with your weak argument and go suck some more right wing corporate dick.

[Anonymous No.13366615]

>>13366095
He just released 10 years of his tax returns showing he didn’t have a lot of money until he started getting royalties off his book deal after Hillary fucked him over. I wouldn’t expect your average /pol/ nigger to ever use facts in an argument though. You’re all really fucking stupid and you show it every time you post some weak bullshit like this.

[Anonymous No.13366626]

>>13366518
Uhm... That's the euro sign, not the pound sign.. Also, you might wanna google the definition of "first world".

[Anonymous No.13366639]

>>13366615

[Anonymous No.13366671]

>>13366207
Finally, someone who understands the difference between privatizing goods and manufacturing companies and privatizing public services. Shit hits the fan with the latter, but idiots are still waiting for the (((free murkitt))) to do its magic.
>>13366215
What an absolute retard. I really hope you go bankrupt after a minor medical procedure while I stay safe with my European healthcare system.

The "long waiting lines" and "shortages" are just memes because medical doctors aren't retards who can't prioritize emergencies.

[Anonymous No.13366683]

>>13366671
enjoy your taxes

[Anonymous No.13366695]

>>13366570
lmao the way people in this thread are attacking single payer healthcare you'd think they all work for health insurance providers or something. the problem is the leeches in insurance. ACA made things worse. i've lived in the US and in countries with single payer and the cost of healthcare in the states is baffling. the government (ie the taxpayer) already provides payments to uncompensated healthcare providers anyways, might as well stop the act and just provide medicare for all

[Anonymous No.13366711]

>>13366023
healthcare profiteers should be first on the day of the rope

[Anonymous No.13366766]

>>13366683
>implying
Jesus, Americans have been brainwashed that Europeans are paying twice or three times the amount they pay or something.
I guess that's what happens when for a 10-20% decrease in "muh taxes" you jeopardize your healthcare, your education and life expectancy in general.
>mfw I pay 10% on capital gains and 5% in dividend taxes.
>Murica: 15% tax on capital gains, 15% on dividend tax

[Anonymous No.13366820]

Berntard just gave you a dip to buy
Its not like commie faggots will ever win

[Anonymous No.13366895]

>>13366639
Having a manic episode buddy? Or maybe you forgot to take your meds?

[Anonymous No.13366911]

>>13366514
>never heard of $100 hammers
...

[Anonymous No.13367014]

>>13366031
imagine being this economically illiterate while posting on biz

[Anonymous No.13367039]

>>13367014
imagine being THIS dumb and ignorant and posting on biz
oh wait, that makes perfect sense

[Anonymous No.13367066]

>>13366570
I hope you and your friend die

[Anonymous No.13367308]

>>13366514
LMAO who needs health care? Those Viet vets did just fine despite suffering far more than any of you zoomer kiddies

[Anonymous No.13367365]

>>13366367
It was cheaper

[Anonymous No.13367384]

>>13366114

good goy

[Anonymous No.13367387]

Reminder that U.S. firms are single-handedly responsible for over 60% of all pharmaceutical innovation throughout the world, and who knows how much when it comes to treatments

European countries receive practically free drugs by applying tariffs, threatening to break these US firms' IP, enforcing price controls and not investing dick into medical innovation (largely opting out of the market forcing U.S. firms pick up their slack) themselves.

European countries that happen to dominate the market on certain pre-existing life saving compounds like insulin (Novo Nordisk, Sanofi) turn around and charge US customers many times over what they charge their own.

European countries often fail to meet even half their budgetary commitment to NATO (2% of GDP), even as Russia and China begin to make power plays on the world stage.

European countries don't have an underclass of tens of millions of obese n-words clogging up hospitals (current obesity rate in US is something like 65%)

European countries often have a much higher population of medical practitioners, especially general practitioners, whereas in the US something like 80% of doctors are specialists

Despite all of this, European countries are taxed as if they were in a state of total war to pay for their benefits systems, with notable examples like Norway whom are so overtaxed their government could give each citizen nearly $200,000 USD but will never choose to do so.

Treating the populations of Europe or the role our respective countries play on the world stage as if they're symmetrical is completely short sighted and will prove be a disaster in due time (and I firmly believe it will be given the opportunity). The only reason the Europeans can laud their terrible, flawed system without embarrassment is because they're dunning-krugers ignorant of the geopolitical and social circumstances that's led to the U.S.' unenviable situation in the first place.

Americans are forced into debt, Europeans are born into it.

[Anonymous No.13367411]

>>13367387

This post is based af

[Anonymous No.13367490]

>>13366023
Good. Big insurance doesn't need anymore commie hand-outs.

[Anonymous No.13367508]

>>13366051
Kek. Just met the dumbest mother fucker on earth. Too rich to be poor and too poor to be middle class. Get rekt slave.

[Anonymous No.13367618]

>>13366766
Bulgaria bro?

[Anonymous No.13367640]

>>13367387
A lot of American pharma innovation is based on European basic research and applied research. You conveniently "forgot" to mention that. Or perhaps you just didn't know. The EU does a lot more (relatively speaking) basic/applied medical researh than the US. A lot of medicine companies choose to locate themselves in the US because it's such a profitable market, not neccesarily because 'muh the US is numbah 1'. Just look at how many employees a company like Novo Nordisk Employs in the US despite doing most of their research in Denmark.

[Anonymous No.13367704]

>>13367618
Romania, my southern Danube friend.

[Anonymous No.13367755]

I hope Bernie wins, the butthurt will be magnificent! Bigger than Trump ^ Obama.

[Anonymous No.13367780]

>>13367755
by "butthurt" I assume you mean massive financial meltdown

[Anonymous No.13367793]

>>13367780
that one is coming anyway

[Anonymous No.13367817]

>>13367780
Nice boogieman, just like Bush was going to take away abortion & Obama was going to confiscate guns & Trump was going to build a wall.
Keep chugging the kool-aid you fucking mong

[Anonymous No.13367826]

>>13367817
>REAL SOCIALISM HASNT BEEN TRIED YET REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.13367831]

>>13367793
This is spoken correctedly.

[Anonymous No.13367869]

>>13367826
I only want to see people unhappy & forced to have a president they hate. That's why I danced in the street when Trump was elected, one group of retards was unhappy now it's time for the other group of retards.

[Anonymous No.13367877]

>>13365963
Funny thing is, I postulate that drug companies would flourish under state sponsored medicare, the government is reckless with spending and corruptable. If bernie looks like he has a chance to win and depending on how the market reacts, I would start building a portfolio of drug companies which are politcially connected and have monopolies on drugs for common afflictions.

[Anonymous No.13367898]

[Anonymous No.13367903]

>>13366615

>But still... Bernie has money.

Summarized for you.

[Anonymous No.13367946]

>>13367387
>overtaxed their government could give each citizen nearly $200,000 USD but will never choose to do so
You absolute brainlet, that is the Petroleum Fund. It invests the surplus revenues of the Norwegian petroleum sector.
Totally different from the state budget of Norway, which would only amount to 24.000 EUR per citizen.
At least make an effort...

[Anonymous No.13368460]

>>13366095
2 million for his age is nothing. I'd have more money than that by the time I'm SEVENITY SEVEN years old.

That said. I'm not for Bernie. Keep your taxes off me u swines.

[Anonymous No.13368524]

>>13366031
>fuck off leech
>give me free stuff

Okay this is epic

[Anonymous No.13368528]

>>13368524
It’s not free nor is anyone asking for it to be free. Fuck off back to your containment board.

[Anonymous No.13368535]

>>13367898
Listen sweety. European societies have free shit out the wazoo and they're doing fine right now. We need to immediately give the federal government power over everything and raise taxes to 90% (except for niggers and single moms, they pay nothing)

This is civilization at its peak

[Anonymous No.13368547]

>>13367066
Probably won’t because I have a really nice health insurance plan through my job.

[Anonymous No.13368556]

>>13368528
>fuck off leech
>restrict, tax, and limit my economic freedom at the benefit of welfare whores on both ends of the income spectrum

Okay. Now. This. Is. Epic.

[Anonymous No.13368593]

>>13365963

Who long GILD and ABBV here?

[Anonymous No.13368629]

>>13368556
>>13368524
insurance companies are the biggest leeches moron. European countries not only have medicare for all but also spend HALF of what US spends, because the other half goes to useless insurance companies that do literally nothing but to leech free money and they keep doing it because they brainwashed a bunch of 50 IQ retards like you to believe that changing the system is somehow "against muhh freedumbss"

[Anonymous No.13368689]

>>13365963
I hope the big insurance companies collapse entirely the chaos would be great to witness and it would boost shitcoin prices; its a win win.

[Anonymous No.13368692]

>>13368629
>healthcare insured by taxpayers
>elites in medicine laugh all the way to the bank with taxpayer money forever
>no need to balance resources and recklessly abuse the cashflow
>retards: but Shaneyney got a """free""" gastro bypass paid for by whites

[Anonymous No.13368719]

>>13368692
You can get one too Tyler... jus sayin

[Anonymous No.13368735]

>>13367640
>'muh the US is numbah 1'

Nice strawman Lars, the post wasn't about why America is great, only utilitarian given the dubious honor of what its place in the world is at this point in time and with all due consideration for the dysgenic multitudes that live there.

The post was more about how Europe is fortunate, in what ways they might be opportunistic-and also how despite these multitude of social and geopolitical advantages on account of these things their people are still being robbed relative to what they get.

Because the US problems are so acute it's easy to ignore the US government's hand in why things are as bad as they are and blame it on the system the US purports to represent (laissez-faire capitalism) rather than what's actually happening. Government largess such as the Orphan Drug Law of 1983 (which provides an extended domestic monopoly to drug makers) being one such example.

>>13367946
Think for a second lad and tell me why the state collected petroleum fund exhumed from the state controlled petroleum industry (22% of total gdp btw) couldn't be used to alleviate the renowned state mandated tax burden of private Norwegians?

A surplus means that a government is taking too much vs what services it is providing, I don't blame Norwegians who don't have any say in the matter for turning it into an economic dick measuring contest but it's not really something to be proud of.

[Anonymous No.13368739]

>>13368692
>be ameritard
>pay double the money in taxes for insurance
>still get no full coverage and have to pay thousands more extra to doctors
stay poor and dumb (and fat)

[Anonymous No.13368740]

>>13368629
pssst hey retard. If you're paying the government to give you healthcare in the event of a disaster, the government becomes an insurance company.

[Anonymous No.13368755]

>>13368739
Shouldn’t not having health care discourage being fat?

[Anonymous No.13368776]

>>13368755
>>13368740
>be ameridumb
>die because you are poor
lmao

[Anonymous No.13368786]

>>13368776
Americans are also really fat and don't exercise. How is healthcare going to change that?

[Anonymous No.13368806]

>>13366095
Surely the average politician in his position has way more?

[Anonymous No.13368808]

>>13368786
exactly dumbass. the whole system you have now is basically a junk food/insurance industrial complex. One sector pushes you to become as much fat and unhealthy as possible so the other sector can leech you as much money as possible

[Anonymous No.13368809]

>>13366207
>The Peter G. Peterson Foundation is an American foundation established in 2008 by Peter G. Peterson, former US Secretary of Commerce in the Nixon Administration and co-founder of the Blackstone Group, an American financial-services company.
>an American financial-services company.

And even with the highest health care cost per capita, america still isn't able to achieve universal healthcare, unlike pretty much every single other country on the list that spends less and accomplishes more.... gotta pay the CEO his U$10 mil a month amirite burger friend?

[Anonymous No.13368816]

>>13368786
A leaflet I received from my German insurance company the other day actually encouraged "feel good with your fat self and don't care too much about what others think! FATTY PRIDE!"
So... health care will actually do the opposite of changing it. Fat people bring in money, after all. And health care is still a business. Unhealthy = fat people are good for business. Obesity isn't an exclusively US-American problem, either. It's all over the retarded West.

[Anonymous No.13368826]

>>13368808
>>13368816
Think. A public health care system gives way more of an incentive to be fat. You will be treated regardless. A private health care system forces you to pay if you are ill.

[Anonymous No.13368851]

>>13366518
>unable to differentiate the difference between euros and pounds
>first world education
I hope you're trolling m8 but we both know that's not the case.

[Anonymous No.13368863]

>>13368826
exactly the opposite dumbass. You are ignoring the huge factor of media and advertising has on the average normie. If I was in America I would probably be fat too when 90% of ads are some new burger and cheese taco pizza concoction. Insurance companies profit the more sick and unhealthy you are. When you remove that profit incentive from these corporations and government to make you as unhealthy as possible and they would have to pay EXTRA when you get sick instead of getting paid, they will have more incentives to push you healthy food

[Anonymous No.13368893]

>>13365963
>falling for a (((boomer pump and dump)))
kek

[Anonymous No.13368935]

>>13368863
I want you to think about this really hard.
You're a car insurance company. Do you want people to

A.) Get into car accidents more often so you have to pay out more
B.) Get into less car accidents so you have to pay out less
Please, take your time

[Anonymous No.13368974]

>>13367387
Absolutely based

[Anonymous No.13368995]

>>13368935
car insurance =/= health insurance dumbass. go learn how the US system works first

[Anonymous No.13369005]

>>13368995
Tons of americans are rejected for pre-existing conditions, by your logic, wouldn't the insurance companies love these people? Again, nothing you say makes any sense. Time to back out and reevaluate yourself

[Anonymous No.13369008]

>>13366023

Buy the dip. It's a dumb reason for a sell off. No guarantee Bernie wins election, no guarantee a dem wins election, no guarantee a hypothetical dem administration would have enough votes in the senate to force the legislation through. Even if all that came to pass, there would still be a year+ of negotiations about the proposed legislation followed by house and senate votes before it would take effect. So panic sell now in fear of a maybe maybe in 2021 at the earliest? No. Accumulate cheapies.

[Anonymous No.13369023]

>>13367387
I'm so used to seeing this guy's JUST hair shopped on to other people it's weird to see the original real mccoy.

[Anonymous No.13369033]

>>13368863
The UK has one of the highest rates of obesity in the world and healthcare is 'free'

You're just another retarded leftist making up economic conspiracy theories

[Anonymous No.13369047]

>>13366023
hope you go bankrupt

[Anonymous No.13369049]

>>13366615
Bernie is 89 yo very very tired old man will prob die in office from old age go ahead and vote for him tho fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.13369051]

>>13369005
go learn how the US system before embarrassing yourself buddy. the US government subsidies insurance companies so they want you to get sick. What medicare for all will do is make the government subsidize HEALTHCARE directly instead of insurance. Insurance is the middle man that leeches off half the healthcare money WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING.

How do you explain europeans having healthcare for all yet PAY HALF? the math doesn't add up buddy, should their costs be MORE instead of HALF?
>>13369033
you are a fucking moron that has no idea about different types of public healthcare. UK has publicly OWNED healthcare which is highly inefficient system, the most efficient system are the ones like Canada that have PRIVATE owned healthcare but PUBLICLY funded

[Anonymous No.13369054]

>>13366031
I'm actually going to put effort into this post in explaining why universal healthcare is more or less unfeasible in the United States. For context: I'm a doc. Culturally, there are huge barriers to universal healthcare in the U.S. due to the way medical training is conducted as well as the founding principles of the economic progress (capitalism as opposed to communism). In the other countries with universal healthcare that you are referencing (namely Germany since that's the classic example of a "good" system) students go straight into medical training with no debt. Here in the states, we give up a decade at the minimum to become doctors while accruing massive amounts of debt (the average figure is trending towards 500k debt for the average doctor in the next few years). Universal healthcare by the kindest projections would wipe doctor salaries by 25% at a minimum (this is going off what happened in Canada, which has the most comparable system). Within medicine, the culture is shifting rapidly to depressive tactics. One doctor a day gets the rope. That number is only increasing and universal healthcare, while being a pretty idea, would obliterate the quality of healthcare in the United States. Even with debt forgiveness, the simple fact of the matter is that to become a doctor in the US is to sacrifice your life. How could you pay someone back for that? For that reason, the quality of applicants to medicine would drop dramatically, and the already existing problem of primary care shortage would get worse. Especially with the current trends of nurses getting licensed with little to no training and being given independent practices. Even though the current public disposition is "fuck doctors" the simple fact of the matter is that everyone comes into contact with the healthcare system at some point in their lives. Spitting in the face of that any more than is already occurring is dangerous as the current landscape of medicine is very volatile.

[Anonymous No.13369076]

>>13369051

The more healthcare patients you get, the more money you get. Your theory is retarded, just another insane conspiracy spouted with no evidence whatsoever

The reason people get fat is because:
>They're stupid
>Governments artifically subsidize the cost of weight related healthcare

[Anonymous No.13369099]

>>13369051
Anon, 2 out of 3 Americans are insured via private healthcare. Most of the profit from insurance companies come from private healthcare buyers, not the government.

back to the drawing board !

[Anonymous No.13369101]

>>13369054
In the UK the healthcare system pays so little that they just import people from all over the world

[Anonymous No.13369108]

>>13365963
>takes your healthcare
>gives it to everybody else
wut do anon?

[Anonymous No.13369138]

>>13369054
>hurr durr it can't work because of our culture n shiet ps. i am a doctor so trust me
dropped
>>13369076
>>13369099
you retards still haven't answered my question. why do countries with medicare for all pay almost HALF than you? shouldn't they pay MORE? keep avoiding the question morons

[Anonymous No.13369147]

>>13369101
I'm aware. A majority of UK grads go to the middle east in the pursuit of lifestyle and being treated very well by the middle eastern governments. Hearsay indicates that Saudi is a popular destination for UK medical professionals. Regardless of whether people like it or not, people like and need money, medical professionals are no different and talking about it as some great and noble duty is frankly quite ridiculous. That's how people get god complexes.

[Anonymous No.13369150]

>>13369138
probably because the US has the burden of niggers and funds more research

[Anonymous No.13369169]

>>13366023


That's the market correcting itself knowing it is overleveraged.

[Anonymous No.13369206]

>>13369138
Your refusal to address any of the content in my post and resorting to blatant poisoning of the well ousts you as someone who clearly lacks any interest in having an insightful discussion. However, your point about healthcare costs is interesting, so I'll address that for the sake of others in this thread. Costs in the united states are primarily due to administrative bloat. Very little of the money in the medical bills is actually for the medical services rendered and even less of that is money that I as the practicing physician see. If you want to paint a target for healthcare costs, look at the people in administration in the hospitals first who receive salaries for promoting "medical wellness" and drown hospitals in paperwork and bureaucratic red tape.

[Anonymous No.13369210]

How do we stop Bernie? Can we just arrest him already?

[Anonymous No.13369214]

>>13369150
>runs out of arguments
>hurr im just gonna blame niggers
classic /pol/tard

[Anonymous No.13369229]

>>13369206
>Costs in the united states are primarily due to administrative bloat
no dumbass, high healthcare costs are primarily due to insurance companies. Insurance companies don't offer healthcare, they don't provide any service at all, they are simply a middle man that drains money from the system without actually offering any service

[Anonymous No.13369250]

>>13365963
I'm gonna buy the dip. If single payer happens companies can't price gouge as hard but the ones who end up getting supply agreements for larger states will have so much added sales volume the reduced margin won't matter. Just need to research your picks ahead of time. over all I think the healthcare sector market cap would remain mostly unchanged but we'd see a massive decoupling of healthcare stocks from each other as clear winners and losers get decided.

But biz hates money so they'll all probably just sell low buy high.

[Anonymous No.13369289]

>>13369229
Again, while I realize this upsets you (I'm judging from your previous response to my post which you clearly didn't read before initially replying). I am a physician. I know where the costs come from because I'm the one doing the billing and seeing what goes where. Insurance companies are indeed a problem, however the majority of cost in hospital bills is due to administrative bloat. The administrators in hospitals are not healthcare professionals and they very rarely have any sort of medical training. Oftentimes, they're just business grads who decided to come work the hospital the same way they would any other business: by nickel and diming patients. I highly doubt any doctor is going to say otherwise. The reason I'm putting emphasis on the doctor aspect is because we are the ones who bring money into hospitals. Doctors do the billing, doctors order tests, and doctors are the ones responsible for the flow of money.

[Anonymous No.13369320]

>>13369289
>this upsets me
lmao. I am not even an ameritard, its you that should be upset from the fact that you pay more and get less and refuse to become a 1st world country like the rest, and no you larping as a doctor isn't helping your shitty argument at all. Stay poor and fat

[Anonymous No.13369645]

>>13369138
>mfw the norwegians and swedes pay as much as they do despite their ludicrous pre-existing tax burden

Thanks for posting that, you've inadvertently helped my argument that the European benefits state is essentially a rapacious shell game that relies on fortuitous geopolitical conditions owed to U.S. hegemony and opportunistic trade deals that rely on U.S. industry.

Even if we ignored the illegal immigration (https://youtu.be/m7zPXWDqj5Q)), the obesity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kCPqprGRnU)), the lack of general practitioners and doctors per capita in general, these things alone would skew spending in Europe's favor.

[Anonymous No.13369670]

>>13369645
>USA is a hegemony
>everyone takes advantage of us!!

[Anonymous No.13369729]

>>13369054
Oncologist here. Physician salaries aren't where the burden of healthcare costs go. It is all unnecessary bureaucratic administration, crimally marked up pharma drugs, unnecessary tests and procedures (especially for patients that should be CMO) and 3-10% profit margins of insurance companies. If we fix these things, we could double or triple our salaries (we should be as we are severely underpaid for who we are) without the healthcare industry flinching.

[Anonymous No.13369758]

>>13366031
India has socialized medicine. If you like socialized medicine, fuck off to India.

[Anonymous No.13369787]

>>13369758
Somalia has private healthcare. If you like private healthcare, fuck off to Somalia

[Anonymous No.13369807]

>>13369320
The oncologist here. That anon is likely a physician like myself. He is echoing all the points I would make in the same language.

You sound upset but I am not sure why since we are both trying to help you. You are trying to discuss something out of your wheelhouse.

[Anonymous No.13369860]

>>13369807
you are only trying to save your subsidized salary from insurances. I was trying to help the average american to get healthcare like the rest of the civilized world, but you are too dumb and brainwashed for that, stay dumb and poor. I already have my healthcare here so go die in a hole for all I care mutt

[Anonymous No.13369877]

>>13369729
I made a similar point in >>13369289 where I mention administrative fees specifically. I absolutely agree on unnecessary testing, anemia workups, in particular, bother me. My initial point was moreso about justifying the ludicrous medical education system as is in a system where physician compensation drops as much as it would under universal healthcare. Effectively, incentivizing students to continue to pursue medicine in spite of the disproportionate debt burden. I do want to ask though, do you honestly see a world where physician salaries would rise under universal healthcare? From my perspective, we have a gigantic target on our backs from the perspective of the general populace as the "1%" and I personally feel that any reduction of our salaries would be generally viewed as a positive side effect by most, hence why I focused on the debt burden of current students first. It's easy to forget about all the garbage in college and medical school when we are graduated and paid off. As a professional question, do you see radiation indications increasing or decreasing in the future? I'm asking this as a general question as some students of mine are interested in radiation oncology and I can't give a satisfactory response on that field in particular (out of my lane).

[Anonymous No.13369902]

>>13369860
Lol, I don't think we need your kind of help friend. Why are you so upset? This is just a random discussion on /biz/.

[Anonymous No.13369929]

>>13369902
lmao you are projecting too hard mutt. The only ones upset here are you ameritards that go bankrupt every time you visit the hospital. Stay poor and dumb lardy and try to cope harder

[Anonymous No.13369934]

>>13369929
>>13369860
>I am just trying to help, please pay no attention to the fact that I'm insulting you

[Anonymous No.13369940]

>>13369860
To hell with the average. I'm above that.

[Anonymous No.13369944]

>>13369670
Europe does not meet their NATO military alliance expenditure obligations, often by even half, forcing the U.S. to pick up their slack to stymie Russian and Chinese military ambitions, and if they did they would have to pay even higher taxes than they already do making their system less tenable.

Europe pays a small fraction for the drugs that US firms must spend billions of dollars to develop (thanks to ever more stringent FDA standards) on threat of intellectual larceny, were the costs distributed more fairly they would have to pay even higher taxes than they already do making their system less tenable

Europeans are only just beginning to experience the preponderance of non-European immigrants that the United States has been facing since the mid 20th century (though there's always been an underclass of 10-13% n-words). As they readily embrace their "cosmopolitanism" even with much of southern Europe beginning to function as the border states in the U.S. do, their system will be made less tenable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxJ3Lsi3Vgk

The obesity rates in most European countries is far lower than that of the U.S., if they weren't, their system would be made FAR less tenable

If Europe had the problems the U.S. does, their system would be untenable, because it's barely tenable now with the most sheltered conditions that could conceivably exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio

[Anonymous No.13369952]

>>13369929
Fucking euros

Imagine if you had to come up with your own drugs and medical inventions instead of riding herd on the US

The same as we pay for your defense via us and the uk meeting the contribution standard

After bailing your asses out in the cold war

We should be billing you ungrateful shits and sending the most 56% negros to collect it just to chap your ass

[Anonymous No.13369968]

>>13369934
I was trying before, but after I realized I am talking to 50 IQ branwashed amerifats I see its kinda pointless trying to help you. You will learn the hard way

>>13369944
you are fucking retarded. EU spends way more and has more advanced army than shitty Russia, and if you are gonna talk about the nukes, thats only a fraction of the total spending you need for the military, the rest goes for failed was in middle east
>>13369952
>hurrr durrr we iz greatess militari in wulrdD!!
lmao thats why you lost every single war since ww2, against jungle rice farmers and middle east shepherds kek

[Anonymous No.13369982]

>>13369645
I don’t think you understand how to read that graph. More =/= lower net spending per capital. Norway’s NET spending (INCLUDING what they pay through tax) is much lower than Americans’ net spending per capital. And that’s Norway, one of the countries that spend the most (outside of burgerland).

[Anonymous No.13369994]

>>13369968
Korea and iraq 1&2 look like wins to me, but you may have forgotten what fighting looks like since you won’t even defend your womans pussy from ahmed

[Anonymous No.13369997]

>>13369877
Rad onc will grow namely because we see synergistic effects with the immunotherapy/checkpoint blockade we give. Also, rad onc will continue for palliative bone mets and CNS mets so they don't have to worry. Salaries are decreasing because medicare finally found out how overpaid they are.

Regarding your first question. Physician's are the top 0.3% of society in terms of education, risk, hours worked, intelligence, productivity, etc. ON AVERAGE (not all of us) we are better in almost every way to 99.7% of the population. However, out salary is only in the top 2% (only 31% of us are in the top 1%) and this sounds small but it is the difference between our current $250k-$300k salary to our rightful $1mill+ salary. We have been rolling over to these lesser beings for the sake of "patient care", but what about justice? We need to stand together and bring back the golden age where nurses knew their place, and physicians ran healthcare, and the public had humility in their stupidity and failure to become one of us. And where we were compensated fairly.

[Anonymous No.13370006]

>>13369994
I was talking about Vietnam dumbass
>hurr u have ahmed
did you forget you are almost 50% non-white Jamal? open the window to get reminded mutt

[Anonymous No.13370018]

>>13369994
also
>iraq looks like a win
too dumb to even deserve a reply

[Anonymous No.13370021]

>>13369997
Typos courtesy of rant combined with shitty phone posting.

[Anonymous No.13370031]

>>13369968
>EU spends way more and has more advanced army than shitty Russia

Wrong again Hans, the EU employs more warm bodies but spends less overall despite the economic disparities between the two

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/European-Union/Russia/Military

[Anonymous No.13370040]

>>13370006
Whatever euro country you come from has lost more wars than americas fought. Deal with it. Did you forget you’re being overrun by muttis friends? Better pick up some more refugee boats! I hear your welfare state is nice ;)

[Anonymous No.13370060]

>>13369054
Kek are you unironically implying that Europe has its roots in communism? 10 years of NPC rote learning doesn’t mean you understand politics or economics.

[Anonymous No.13370061]

>>13366207
>That's still less than half of what Americans pay. The quality of public health care varies a lot between different European countries. It's quite good here in Scandinavia and A LOT cheaper than the American health care system. Google health care costs per capita by country. I'm a big fan of free markets, but privatizing health care really does add a ton of extra unnecessary costs. The American health care system has several other problems that I won't get into..

imagine thinking having the government intervene will actually cut costs

how fucking stupid are you?

[Anonymous No.13370075]

>>13370031
>Russia spends more because they are poor and everything is cheap
lmao, nice argument dumbass. EU spends 3 times more than Russia in military. They are shit and never were a threat

>>13370040
56%
a single number shuts the amerimutt lmao

[Anonymous No.13370089]

imagine thinking the US government can provide affordable health care to 330,000,000 people

[Anonymous No.13370100]

>>13370089
you are right, they can't. Good thing that's not what medicare for all means since healthcare will still be provided by private entities and not the government

[Anonymous No.13370132]

imagine thinking healthcare is a right. healthcare is something that requires labor to be performed, (unlike the right to free speech, bear arms, etc.) so by claiming it as your right you are claiming someone's labor to be your right, also known as slavery. imagine thinking slavery is a right

[Anonymous No.13370138]

>>13369997
I'm sure you're already aware that I agree with you. However, my concern is and always will be regarding feasibility. Patient care has been sacrificed for years now all because the nursing lobby flexes as hard as they do with no reprisals. Honestly speaking, our generation fucked up. We fucked up real bad. As far as reinstilling the fear of god in the general public, I feel that is something that will only come as a result of patient deaths associated with all the corner cutting that is currently occurring, not as a result of any unified front from physicians. We're too busy pissing on surgeons, psychiatrists, internists, etc. to form any sort of cohesive front. Look no further than the AMA.

>>13370060
Not the implication I was intending to make, my apologies. I was just trying to state that the united states in particular is moreso loaded towards the capitalistic mindset almost as a culture rather than an economic philosophy. Hence, the healthcare system has largely developed as a reflection of that, and an overhaul would be significantly difficult to do as the rest of the path leading to medicine (education in particular) is not compatible with a free healthcare system. Feel free to correct me because as you said, this is not my lane.

[Anonymous No.13370140]

>>13370132
yes ameridumb, jeff bezos paying taxes is just like slavery. imagine getting brainwashed so hard by billionaires you suck their cock for free daily

[Anonymous No.13370154]

>>13370061
That's how it works though, well at least when corruption isn't rampant like it is out in Clown World. You think a private company could building something like the Interstate Highway System? Look at what a taxpayer racket the military is because private (((contractors))) game the system, and all the brass is in on it too. I won't even get into how bad Americans get ripped off for """private""" healthcare in terms of how much they pay relative to other 1st World Countries.

[Anonymous No.13370158]

>>13370075
Refugees
A single word shuts the euro up lmao

[Anonymous No.13370185]

>>13370158
refugees are 1%
your non-whites are almost 50%
wouldn't expect a dumb amerimutt to know basic arithmetic

[Anonymous No.13370204]

>>13370185
Not at 1mm more a year they aren’t

How many turks in berlin hans?

Wouldn’t expect a dumb euro to know basic addition

[Anonymous No.13370220]

>>13370204
I like how you only use total numbers instead of percentages. Gee, I wonder why mr.56% avoids talking about percentages :^)

[Anonymous No.13370234]

>>13370140
>a handful of billionaires can fully fund a government

No, (((someone))) needs to take money from (You) to pay for Rashid and co~.

There aren't enough billionaires anywhere to subsidize hundreds of millions of people either as a one time payment or in the form of taxes. They say they'll raise taxes on the rich as a way to take a bigger piece out of your ass on the way down. You think the 14 billionaires in Norway can pay its 5 million citizens' way? Why don't they?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_billionaires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGrSt5wyQVE

[Anonymous No.13370235]

>>13370138
Oh okay, sorry if I came across as rude. Thanks for taking the time to write long replies. It’s at least interesting to hear your perspective.

[Anonymous No.13370237]

>>13370140
>28 posts by this id

you really want a slave doctor huh

[Anonymous No.13370240]

>>13370220
7m turks, 80m total in germany, whats that, 9%? Seems high, has that been growing hans?

[Anonymous No.13370261]

>>13370240
Germany is just one part of EU amerimutt, EU as a whole is still more than 90% European. You are barely over 50%. Also, even turks are whiter than the average negroid amerimutt

[Anonymous No.13370281]

Bernie getting undeserved hate. Pinch of Socialism would bring muricans living standard up, now they have corporatism not capitalism

[Anonymous No.13370298]

>>13370140
>lol let's just gang up on the rich and take away their money
Kindergarten levels of IQ.

How about you work hard and invest your wealth like a capable human being instead of being dependent on the state and playing the victim.

[Anonymous No.13370311]

>>13370281
socialism + capitalism = corporatism. in fact, the very existence of a state body corrupts capitalism into corporatism, because there will always be people within government willing to be bribed, lobbied, etc. for insider knowledge

[Anonymous No.13370316]

>>13370298
>durrr taxashion is thief!!!
don't worry, you will grow out of your edgy 12 year old lolberg phase eventually

[Anonymous No.13370372]

>>13370316
Hard to do that when I'm being taxed around $1200 per month and in return I get shitty roads, shitty education, overpopulation in cities created by immigration, and a bloated military used for defending Israel.

[Anonymous No.13370400]

>>13370372
don't worry, if we removed that tax your boss mr.Shekelstein would cut your salary by 1200 and donate it to Israel himself

[Anonymous No.13370412]

>>13366095
That's actually so poor that I wouldn't vote for him based on the fact he is clearly incompetent.

[Anonymous No.13370440]

>>13370400
>there's only one boss
>there's only one business around to slave for
>you can't tell mr. shekelstein to fuck off and buy your own work equipment without paying royalties
>mr. shekelstein owns you
Sounds more like the government.

[Anonymous No.13370495]

>>13370440
>taxation is just like stalinism!!
more strawmans. nobody said the gov should own everything. the same way corporations shouldn't own everything either. its called having a balance. People with absolutist black and white mentalities have hard time grasping this

[Anonymous No.13370506]

>>13366031
>fuck off
>give me free stuff

Top kek. The absolute state of this fucking board.

[Anonymous No.13370530]

>>13370506
that's the whole point of this board moron. To sit on your pc doing nothing and get free money while wagecucks work

[Anonymous No.13370558]

>>13366031
This was worded so horribly oh my.

[Anonymous No.13370568]

>>13370558
why don't you use your words to show us how its done pajeet

[Anonymous No.13370602]

>>13370568
fuck off leech. Nobody deserves medicare. If you don't like it STIFF

[Anonymous No.13370609]

>>13370602
fuck off pajeet. you are gonna get it like all 1st world countries. If you don't like it STIFF off to a third world country

[Anonymous No.13370780]

>>13370495
Are you actually implying that capitalism always leads to a society where one corporation owns anything and everything?

Do people really think this way?

[Anonymous No.13370800]

>>13370495
Actually it's the balance that's creating the most corruption.

[Anonymous No.13370812]

I make 180K USD a year working as a lead software engineer in silicon valley and I'm voting Bernie. Yeah my taxes will go up (specifically due to increasing the social security cap), but I understand the benefit to society. I have friends from college who aren't working in tech and they are barely scraping by :(

[Anonymous No.13370833]

>>13370812
>:^(
Easy, just move out of taxifornia and learn a trade skill.

[Anonymous No.13370860]

>>13367903
his net worth is 2 million...thats pretty average. he still has to wageslave. 2 mill wont get you far especially if you have an expensive taste. my boss's net worth is most likely in the millions but he still works hard everyday so that he can keep that net worth

[Anonymous No.13370872]

>>13370812
The thing that's awesome about individualism though is that if you like your friends enough then go ahead and give them free money! Nobody will stop you.

But forcing everyone else to pay for social services that they'll never use to help fund a dependent consumerist population is not cool.

[Anonymous No.13370891]

>>13370872
the thing about individualism is that if you aren't a millionaire then voting to tax millionaires is in your best individualistic interests. individualism eats itself up

[Anonymous No.13370948]

>>13370800
Unironically horseshoe theory, except both ends of the extremes are existing concurrently.

[Anonymous No.13370959]

>>13370948
Broke - horseshoe theory

Woke - fishhook theory

[Anonymous No.13371072]

>>13370812
1. You pay $5k/month in rent and high af taxes so you are not actually successful at that salary in that location
2. Your non-tech friends are suffering because of establishment politicians giving all our jobs to China, India, and Mexico. That's not capitalism it's crooked government, which all big ones are, BS would only make it worse
3. Trump is lowering taxes and bringing back jobs, helping both you and your friends

[Anonymous No.13371078]

>>13370891
>living in Venezuela in your best interest

[Anonymous No.13371092]

>>13371072
>Trump is lowering taxes and bringing back jobs,

Get a load of this Trumpcuck cope

[Anonymous No.13371096]

>>13371078
>hurrrr taxes is like vuvuzela

[Anonymous No.13371144]

>>13366023
Priced in.

[Anonymous No.13371151]

>>13366114
Old school, old-testament cuckold fantasist, more like it. Socialism only works when there is cultural homogeneity— Sweden, for instance, is no longer culturally homogenous.

[Anonymous No.13371401]

>>13371072
Nothing you said is true.
1) I pay about 1500$ per month in rent. I’m doing great considering I’m only 29 and can already afford a 200K+ downpayment.
2) There are tons of jobs here, however most suck due to the sharing economy model eating any quality, non-tech job. It has nothing to do with illegals and “establishment politicians”. In fact, the local governments here are big providers of quality jobs. My city passed a small sales tax increase last election in order to raise funds to rebuild city streets and its worked great so far. Moreover ironicaly the biggest use of illegal labor here in California is conservative farmers employing illegals to pick fruits and veggies.
3) I ended up paying more this year in taxes due to reduced deductions and higher withholdings.