/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.13170494]

>get into this whole economics thing
>slowly start realizing how fucked the whole system is
>now two years in, just trying to prepare and not kill myself before the greatest collapse in modern history
Surely I'm not the only one, how you holding up anons

[Anonymous No.13170499]

Plenty of momentum behind the current system. Decline of that magnitude takes decades and you won't notice it unless you have to recount stories to your grandkids.

[fakenews No.13170504]

>>13170494
get ready anon for the big short and massive buy back . you wanna get rich anon invest in an inverse etf and buy the bottom . also invest in bitcoin eth and link

[Anonymous No.13170513]

>>13170494
I am strangling the market (longing and shorting at the same time) basically working for cryptocurrency and buying guns/ammo/MREs/Water cleansing devices/meds and antibiotics

so if we go up I am set, and if we go down I aint fucked.
Also dont forget to buy multiple pairs of strong glasses blind anons. and practice good dental hygiene if SHTF too; because youll die from a tooth infection quickernshit

[Anonymous No.13170538]

>>13170494
>The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent
Do you trust the financial system to keep this ponzi going? because I do. They will for another 100 years+ before it collapses.

Wars are no longer fought with violence. They are done so economically. The western world will not allow the markets to collapse because it means that they will lose everything.

Look at the aftermath of 2008 lol. The whole market literally just bounced straight back.

[Anonymous No.13170587]

>>13170504
>timing the market
good luck not losing everything by naked shorting. the market is going to go down, but not when you think.

[fakenews No.13170599]

>>13170538
nobody can afford a bailout this time . no central bank , no government not even the imf

[fakenews No.13170606]

>>13170587
nigger you can short as soon as its obvious its going down 40% 30 % min

[Anonymous No.13170715]

>>13170499
>Decline of that magnitude takes decades
Remarkable how you hear the same old lines right before every crash. They're called bubbles for a reason dumbass, they don't deflate, they pop.
>>13170538
Things are very, very different this time. Every tool in the economic stimulus toolbox is used up. Imagine when Italy needs a bailout next recession, they have 10x the GDP of Greece, and the other members would be hurting. The EU would collapse. Imagine more and more QE to reinflate the US economy, hyperinflation is inevitable.

[Anonymous No.13170728]

>>13170494
HODL lads

[Anonymous No.13170760]

>>13170715
>Things are very, very different this time. Every tool in the economic stimulus toolbox is used up.

you are literally talking out of your ass, please explain what you actually think this means

the USGOV will never let asset prices tank to nothing. as long as the USD is the worlds reserve currency, a massive economic apocalypse is not possible

[Anonymous No.13170769]

>Insular depressed suicidal basement neet with a wasted lifetime and no prospects for the future thinks he has some special insight that has escaped the majority of the successful business professionals.
Something about being an abject failure of a human being makes people herald the decadence and doom of the society. I'm guessing sour grapes + the feeling of special and more intelligent than the crowd.

[Anonymous No.13170771]

>>13170760
This really makes me think

[Anonymous No.13170775]

>>13170771

whos going to dethrone it? china? lol if you think that

[Anonymous No.13170784]

>>13170769
based explanation of biz and pol

[Anonymous No.13170788]

>>13170775
The US is collapsing steadily in most metrics. Health wise, infrastructure wise, economically, demographically, their ability to successfully project power, etc... It's not unthinkable in 10 or so years the US could regress to developing country standards of living.

[Anonymous No.13170801]

>>13170769
>he doesn't realize that sucessful business professionals are just agents looking out for their own paycheck
Just look back to 2006-07, nobody gave a fuck about the warning signs until they started getting laid off in masses.

Even the asset managers and bankers were milking their clients without regard.

[Anonymous No.13170824]

>>13170769
>thinks he has some special insight that has escaped the majority of the successful business professionals.
The Fed has never predicted a bubble in real time. Not even once. This proves they have no idea how healthy the economy is, even though it's their job to know, and everybody believes they do. That my retarded ass can see what's coming shows how obvious it is if you just know where to look.

[Anonymous No.13170828]

>>13170771
Where is the source of that? I think the pic is bs no given evidence of Portugal in the early days

[Anonymous No.13170830]

>>13170769
>successful business professionals
They're trying to use NLP in order to convince NPCs such as yourself that they know what's going on and that they're in control. In reality they're greedy morons who can't tell their head from their ass.

[Anonymous No.13170839]

>>13170824
If they did predict bubbles, why would they tell the public?

[Anonymous No.13170857]

>>13170788
>could regress to

take the top 4% out of the equation and it's been a third world country since the sixties my firend

[Anonymous No.13170859]

last time the market crashed hard, hitler got elected.
you honestly think the jews will make the same greedy mistake twice? the system will never collapse. they own it and its not on their interest for it to collapse, since they rule the current system

[Anonymous No.13170869]

>>13170857
There's a few areas that are really bad, but overall it could be worse.

[Anonymous No.13170875]

>>13170859
>thinking that Hitler wasn't put into office with Jewish money
>tfw. when a country under the most ridiculous draconian sanctions possible, with economy like Zimbabwe today and on the brink of a full blown civil war in just ten years time becomes the biggest military might in the world and conquers most of Europe.

Just follow the money trail

[Anonymous No.13170883]

>>13170869
that's like saying yeah the patient is brain dead, has cancer metastasis all over, his heart is beats irregularly and his right leg just started to turn black form necrosis BUT look at the beautiful shit he produced this morning, that means his bowels still work, not all is bad, see?

[Anonymous No.13170907]

>>13170883
Very true. But considering all that's wrong in the country, the US could be in a far worse position.

[Anonymous No.13170959]

>>13170907
Inertia is the only thing keeping it together, nothing more I am afraid.

Actually, I think we can say this about all of the so called western world. It's gonna keep going for a while still, but we'll likely see changes in our lifetime that our dads never could have dreamed about. Whether they will be for the better, I have my doubts.

[Anonymous No.13171072]

>>13170771
Where is the source of this? Has anyone verified this?

[Anonymous No.13171124]

>>13171072
>>13170828
Nigga the citations the first word (c37). Google "c37 reserve currency"

[Anonymous No.13171209]

>>13170494
the system will never collapse idiot.
there's plenty of ways to keep this going, even when there's tons of toxic debt everywhere. there's maybe a dozen poor ass nations/companys/individuals to be sacrificed if the shit hits the fan, but overall this show will keep running indefinitly.

[Anonymous No.13171241]

>>13171209
>there's plenty of ways to keep this going
Please, do tell.

[Anonymous No.13171243]

the USA will never let the system collapse, its not in their best interest as top dog to see revolution or social unrest. They will come up with any contrived argument they can as to why something that actually benefits them is for the greater good. They would glass an entire country with nukes killing a billion people if it meant they could make a good profit and play it off like the people were somehow a threat. The jews own the whole system and the US is their lap dog. There will definitely be a large collapse someday though but there's no point not owning equities since cash will lose all value too and who knows if le silver gold meme or crypto will replace it... food ammo and guns and bottled water would be the best probably.

[Anonymous No.13171244]

>>13170494
Buy crypto and get ready to move countries

[Anonymous No.13171277]

>>13171241
1) 0% debts: money tomorow has less value than money today, effectivly shrinking the sum all together.
2) Burying debt long term; meaning you own the debt but can't cash out on it until in -like- 50 years.
3) Concentrating and shifting toxic debt in one 'virtual entity', then slowly letting that die/depreceate and the debt with it (a solution states do).
4) Inflation - this one's prefered but only works when you have a minimum % of real econ growth.

there's propably half a dozen more ways you'll discover when you dig deeper. it's not like that people in (central)banks are total dummys.

[Anonymous No.13171518]

>>13171277
>So what do you do for a job anon?
I work for a Central bank.

>doing what?
Basically come up with 100 ways to kick the can.

[Anonymous No.13171547]

>>13170606
Its already obvious and happening.

[Anonymous No.13171557]

Everybody in this thread is on drugs if you think the US is on the verge of anything other than continuing to rule the entirety of the known universe.
Pic fucking related

[Anonymous No.13171575]

>>13170494
If you recognize how gamed the system is, then you realize what you need to do to fight back -- remove yourself from the corrupt system as much as possible and prepare for the coming collapse.

In the meantime, stockpile the 3 Bs:
Beans
Bullets
Bitcoin

[Anonymous No.13171595]

>>13171557
As someone who was probably stationed at some point on the first ship to the immediate starboard of the carrier, let me just say that our hull was held together with little more than spit, paint, and the threat of our CMC's righteous anger. I hold no illusion that anything but our nuclear stockpile keeps China from going ham on the planet.

[Anonymous No.13171642]

>>13171595
Isn't the US about to replace all their aircraft carriers with new, bigger ones though?

[Anonymous No.13171661]

>>13171642
Aircraft carriers are big, pretty targets. They're the one that suck up all of the maintenance budget and yard time, and they'll be the first ones sunk if an actual war ever kicks off. The only thing they're good for are mobile air bases over 3rd world shitholes with no air force of their own, and temporary nuclear shore power for hurricane/earthquake disaster zones. Newer carriers aren't going to change anything. The only thing they're good for is continuing to fund the military industrial complex and hoover up votes from the ever-shrinking white working class that builds them.

Besides, you can fit a thousand drones into a single container ship and kamikaze swarm that entire fleet. CIWS is good but it's not *that* good.

[Anonymous No.13171666]

>>13171642
The teams are working out the last few kinks

[Anonymous No.13171689]

>>13170494
I don't think I care anymore. I don't know if anything in the world actually matters at this point. Maybe Trump or Xi should just launch all their nukes just for kicks.

[Anonymous No.13171690]

>>13170771
>>13170775
>>13170788
There's no currency that can replace USD at this moment in time, you're daydreaming if you think CNY or the fucking EUR, JPY are even close to getting into the spot.

[Anonymous No.13171701]

>>13171642
Besides, China doesn't take the same view as us Westerners. They look in terms of centuries while we get lost in the 24 hour news cycle. They don't see war as an inevitable outcome. There's no serious plans in China for the conquest of the US mainland. Their gambit on the barrier islands was just to ensure that the US couldn't get close enough to bring our Navy to bear, which has always been our greatest military strength.

No, they take the longer view. They'll simply replace us, company by company, country by country, until we're thanking them for the privilege. They're already doing it in Africa, by giving them trash loans that they'll never be able to repay. And we're already do it to ourselves, inviting the third world in to replace us with low-skill, low-IQ, easily controlled puppets. We could become a technological marvel, but instead all of our resources will go to this new underclass of barely-literate savages while China pushes forward with eugenics projects that would make Hitler blush.

There will be no nuclear holocaust, no grand battle on the high seas, no last stand against the Rockies. Only the slow, quiet death of the West, and thus everything that you love.

[Anonymous No.13171748]

>>13171557
Your country is shit

[Anonymous No.13171769]

>>13171701
That sounds awful

[Anonymous No.13171787]

>>13171701
Pompous retard

[Anonymous No.13171789]

>>13170538
That's why we are in BTC.

[Anonymous No.13171800]

>>13170959
>Inertia is the only thing keeping it together, nothing more I am afraid.
This summarizes it perfectly. It's only the inertia of our past strengths of economic production that made western economies as strong as they are.

>>13171701
I've started to come to this realization once I understood all manufacturing essentially moved to China. It's impossible for them to lose economically so long as that continues. The western world really fucked itself for short term gains. I mean just look at what we produce now, fucking nothing but service industry and flipping houses back and forth.

The military complex has potential but I don't see it saving economies, especially when everyone is brainwashed since birth with this leftwing ideology that's prevalent in academia. Talking to almost any graduate now and they have this concept of "fairness" that will only result in the destruction of our people and all the work our previous generations have done. They fail to recognize that their ideology can't create a fair world because there's countries and cultures that exist that at their core go against their concepts of fairness, which of course their ideology requires themselves to tolerate, so they're doomed from the start.
They're not willing to trample on other people's rights, so the countries that are willing will trample on theirs until they come out ahead.
You put a peaceful tribe next to a murderous tribe and come back a century later, only the murderous tribe will be left.

[Anonymous No.13171806]

>>13171787
Not one mention of Da Joos in my post, but it amuses me that you have your title cards sorted and ready you literal NPC meme.

[Anonymous No.13171813]

>>13171806
Backpedalling already, pitiful.

[Anonymous No.13172023]

>>13171787
Da joooooooozzz duuurrrrr

[Anonymous No.13172034]

>>13171806
>>13172023
> I’m not “anti-semetic” I’m not
the state of conservacucks

[Anonymous No.13172105]

>>13170494
Started an Econ degree last year and have read a lot in my personal time.
I feel the same way OP. Very depressing times

[Anonymous No.13172139]

>>13172105
What have you been reading?

[Anonymous No.13172162]

>>13171690
>he doesn’t know about bitcoin

[Anonymous No.13172227]

>>13170494
>5, yes, 5 (five) threads about this.
I'm bullish.

[Anonymous No.13172469]

>>13170788
>demographically
Blatantly false, America has a lot of problems but a lack of young people is not a problem unlike the rest of the developed world.

[Anonymous No.13172492]

>>13170788
>>13172469
Compare that to China's, or even more devastatingly the EU and Canada's. These are countries that are going to see a massive reduction in their standard of living in the near future when the bulge of boomers retire.

[Anonymous No.13172542]

>>13172469
Most of those young people are brown

[Anonymous No.13173201]

>>13171701
This. Same as the US remaining comfy and building up away from dumb European shit and excessively wasteful colonialism (all the good stuff was gone by the mid 1800s).

>>13170715
Recessions happen and bubbles pop, no shit. But Romans didn't go to sleep one night and wake up as medieval peasants. Britain didn't suffer a really bad currency crisis and lose their entire empire by the end of the week. Half the West could go into the 2020 depression and be recovered-ish by 2025.

[Anonymous No.13173240]

>>13172542
This. And if you "don't even see color, racist", you need to start doing that. Because it's one of the strongest proxies for potential human capital.

[Anonymous No.13173257]

>>13172469
And those young people are unproductive low IQ anchor baby trash.

[Anonymous No.13173272]

>>13170538
There's no way to keep the ponzi if the fundamentals are wrong. Look at venezuela. It's very hard to predict what's gonna happen and when it does because it depends on human psychology a lot

[Anonymous No.13173277]

>>13170875
take your meds, schizo

[Anonymous No.13173285]

Here me out anons, it will not be a collapse but a faster decline.
We're already in it for some time now but the speed at which it will happen will increase.
There will not be a day when you will say "oh shit we're fucked". Instead you will feel more "fucked" every day when you wake up until you dont even realize whats going on anymore. Your spirit will be broken and you dont know what the meaning of all of this is. You will question yourself if it is good or moral to buy food for yourself or if it is the right thing to defend yourself against the looter. The illuminati are behind it. Its fucking real

[Anonymous No.13173343]

>>13172034
He said Hitler somewhere in his post so it must have been about da jooz LMAO
Literal fucking NPC

[Anonymous No.13173674]

>>13171787
they are hoping for a race war retard. race war = massive casualties from both sides + israel has the green light to bomb the fuck out of all muslim countries because the white man is at war with them. we might even applaud them for doing it, not realizing its all part of the greater israel plan.
if you cant see this youre either retarded or a deceitful kike

[Anonymous No.13173708]

I know that feel anon, I started to get into economics when I was 13, I wanted to go into economics up until I was 17 when I swallowed the economic black pill. This whole thing is fucking rigged, models go do shit when an ultra rich person makes a decision. The worst thing it works. Keynes's plan along with WW2 fucking worked. Don't expect the modern economy to collapse like it did in 1929 though because even though economics is a soft science, it has still made considerable progress. Dot-com bubble or 2008 were nowhere near as bad as 1929. There will be blood on the streets but not on the level most expect

[Anonymous No.13173779]

>>13172492
why would there be a problem? all I see is a lot of young people, and since they are much smarter and efficient than old boomers, a higher number can only allow the brightest of the brightest to have a meaningful impact on the world and make the world a better place

[Anonymous No.13173846]

>>13170788
How exactly are we failing economically? We're leaps and bounds the largest economy on earth, and are projected to grow at a very desirable sustainable rate of 2.3-2.7% this year, while the rest of the world is teetering on recession, minus China who's growth rate is plummeting. You doom and gloom faggots are retarded and the same people who were saying 2 years ago that Germany is going to beat us. Well here we are faggot, we're growing, they are projected to grow .7%, which when you include inflation is reccessitory, and they have a whole shit load of other shitty economies to prop up by themselves. Our debt is absurdly high, but still only slightly over 100% of GDP, historically very moderate, and nowhere near other places that are truly fucked like the UK who is in 300%+ debt to their GDP. I'll take our 2.X sustainable, inflation controlling growth over any economic situation on the planet.

[Anonymous No.13173932]

>>13170494
Buy bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.13174004]

>>13170769
you're not wrong, but you're not right either.

[Anonymous No.13174108]

>>13170494
LMFAO, DAB ON THESE LIL WAGELETS.

WAGIES BE LIKE "WHY DON'T THEY PAY ME MORE???"

AHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MORE ICE FOR MY DRINK, SLAVE.

[Anonymous No.13174146]

>>13173779
>since they are much smarter and efficient than old boomers
the naivety of youth.

[Anonymous No.13174228]

>>13174146
I'm starting to get old and I clearly see that computer illiteracy from old boomers make them almost like they're on an inferior state of consciousness. computers are a big deal, and increasingly, as the position of power is high. old boomers are literally selfish monkeys on average.

[Anonymous No.13174896]

>>13174228
This.

[Anonymous No.13175052]

>>13174146
A good case can be made IQ is increasing for every population. Economically, hyperinflation is practically inevitable. Historically, empires always start off based on a stable currency (gold) expand militarily, build great projects, provide ever larger social programs. Eventually they debase, inflate the currency and collapse. The next empire will also be built on a stable currency. Crypto currency is a possibility. We could avoid shady fractional reserve banking by temper proof blockchain.

[Anonymous No.13175166]

>>13173272
Venezuela didn't have complete control over the world reserve currency which is the dollar. We are "in debt" to China for example but that debt is in dollars. We can literally just delete it if they fuck with us. The debt of the US is actually a stabilizing function for our country because we have the advantage of controlling the currency everyone else owes