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>> No.13110183

>>13110175
>is satoshi nakafuckingmoto legit

Kys

>> No.13110189

>>13110175
you ever see the things he clicks 'like' on or retweets....absolutely hates immigrants and muslims....lmao

>> No.13110197

>>13110189
/our guy/

>> No.13110228

Szabo is great, but he's not Satoshi (neither is Hal Finney or Wei Dai)

>> No.13110265

>>13110183
why does he hate the government so much...

>> No.13110302

>>13110228
he is tho, will never admit it
>>13110265
maybe because they keep scamming us with fiat

>> No.13110318

Satoshi is red pilled AF.

>> No.13110337

>>13110228
CSW is Satoshi

>> No.13110347

>>13110175
hes great and he shills chainlink

>> No.13110354

>>13110175
if u think this mongoloid is satoshi theres a good chance youre iq is less than 80

>> No.13110357

>>13110228
>>13110337
>t. Brainlet

>> No.13110359
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13110359

>>13110354
Found a pic of you lad

>> No.13110401

>>13110302

No, because he was barking up the wrong tree the whole time. The bitgold concept is based on his idea of "money starts as a collectible" and notably did not include economic incentives or difficulty adjustment for PoW. Bitgold wasn't even fungible, it was more of an arbitrary bearer instrument than digital gold.

>> No.13110515

>>13110401
>he had an idea once, and he isn't allowed to refine that idea over many years
That's how you sound. And Bitcoin more or less is a collectible at this point. People can speculate on it, sure, but people can speculate on any collectible.

>> No.13110522

>>13110401
just go with the math
>https://medium.com/@altcoinbuzz/why-i-think-nick-szabo-is-satoshi-nakamoto-even-though-he-denies-it-8c999841fbbb

>> No.13110531

>>13110401
Everyone knows Szabo is Satoshi. He even let it slip in a podcast a few years back. He had help though cause he isn't that good a coder.

>> No.13110640

>>13110531
This. Basically Hal and a few others refined a lot of the code once he built the first prototype.

But satoshi is szabo and szabo alone

>> No.13110672

>>13110640
this.

>> No.13110694

>>13110175
Yes. see his work and blog. he's based and finalpilled

>> No.13110706
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13110706

>>13110337

Honestly, I was hoping he wouldn't be brought up because there's so much noise when it comes to CSW. I've yet to see a single civil discussion about the guy on /biz/... but yeah I think so too. People like to think of "cypherpunks" as enigmatic hackers that want to take the banks and gov down with math, but they're actually just passive aggressive boomers (well used to be, make no mistake, bitcoin ruined "cypherpunk" culture and from what I hear it has been inundated with commies and losers over the past 2 years). Craig is interesting because if you look at his pre-2008 stuff, on forums and blogs, he's pretty consistent with the idea that infosec is a matter of economics and incentives and most of his real work is in forensics and networking, which I see as the missing puzzle piece that other cypherpunks like Szabo or Adam Back could never work out properly.

What's interesting too is if you look at the Metzdowd mailing list, Csw and Kleiman were mentioned in a thread made a couple weeks after the Bitcoin white paper and Kleiman was actually an active poster.

>> No.13110768

>>13110531
link?

>> No.13110806

>>13110706
Are you on drugs? You weren't even there kid.

>> No.13110833

>>13110706
jesus christ

>> No.13110850

>>13110694
He definitely writes things that normal people aren’t concerned with

>> No.13110857

>>13110672
huh? Sergey is satoshi. He bought smartcontract.com 1 month before the bitcoin white paper was released.

>> No.13110902
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13110902

>>13110515

Have you actually read Szabos blogs? Specifically the first one he made about bitcoin?

https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/05/bitcoin-what-took-ye-so-long.html?m=1

If you still think he's Satoshi after reading this then you've got your head in the sand..

>Bitcoin more or less is a collectible at this point. People can speculate on it, sure, but people can speculate on any collectible.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>13110806

I wasn't where? On the internet? It's not like this stuff was hidden or obscure, back then it was pretty easy to find your way towards the "cypherpunks" and Assange types if you had any interest in hacker culture. I was never on metzdowd because cryptography is boring honestly

>> No.13110947

>>13110902
>falling for a red herring

this is your brain on bsv

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13111055

>>13110947

If that's what you want to tell yourself, ok.

But you should really read that blog post, along with the long comments section at the bottom. He makes a pretty clear distinction between bitcoin and bitgold (including the fact that bitgold wouldn't have had balances or fixed supply)

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13111106

Does this sound like bitcoin to you?

>> No.13111117

>>13111106
see a doctor

>> No.13111145

>>13111117

Not an argument :)

>> No.13111152

Think only like 5 of us in the thread know Szabo. I miss reading his tweets. Him and Noval are my heros.

>> No.13111162

>>13111055
i read all of his blog posts before you even owned a single satoshi newfag. try your bsv gaslighting eleswhere 'cause it aint working on me.

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13111176

>>13110189
OUR. GUY.

>> No.13111232

>>13110189
Absolutely based and redpilled

>>13110265
Why not

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13111301

>>13111162

Meh. I just like talking about the history of bitcoin, and I don't really believe you/care

>try your bsv gaslighting eleswhere 'cause it aint working on me.

You're the one that keeps bringing up BSV, I haven't mentioned it once.

>i read all of his blog posts

https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2008/04/bit-gold-markets.html?m=1

So what about this one? Another red herring?

>> No.13111308

>>13110401
bit gold was the alpha version
bitgold is actually from 2006, he altered the dates on his blog to seem like it was published after bitcoin

go check on wayback machine/ archive.is

>> No.13111314

>>13110401
o wait never mind my post, you're a bsv brainlet lol
shouldn't you be searching old empty miner wallets on craigslist?

>> No.13111350

>>13111308

>he altered the dates on his blog

Why did he do that? Red herring as well?

>> No.13111352

>>13110189
Ever see his interview on communism
I think his dad lived through it and he hates zoomers who don't understand what it's really like

>> No.13111361

>>13111301
yeah i read that one too. you're telling me about things i read several years ago. get lost newfag loser

>> No.13111368

>>13111350
yeah. unlike craig shitty wright hes making every effort to NOT look like satoshi.

>> No.13111382

>>13111352
My dad lived through communism and is a conservative because of it

>> No.13111392

>>13111382
Szabo has a quote comparing government operations to software and the more decisions government makes the larger the attack area
This is especially true when we see corruption on the federal level and absolute nonsense and waste of resources

>> No.13111403

>>13111350
why do you think the guy that invented the concept of smart contracts in 1996 tried erasing a trail leading to his largest contribution to mankind that would collapse if it had a central authority figure
I should stop replying to you, I just can't help myself

>> No.13111416

>>13111392
I don’t share his libertarian views. Guess I’m inexperienced

>> No.13111437

>>13111368

>you're telling me about things i read several years ago

I don't believe you

>>13111403

If he wanted to erase his trail, why did he keep the blog post up? Didn't he know it would be crawled on archive?

Lots of holes in your theory

>> No.13111484

>>13111437
lmao dude there is no theory that's the point
he does not want bitcoin to have a central authority, that's a point of failure
plus the archive proves nothing

bitcoin needs no leader
it's creator does not want it to have one

you can realize nakamoto is nicholas, or you can just ignore it
it makes no difference, and that's the beauty of it

>> No.13111498

>>13111416
I think we're both after the same goal of a prospering society, it's just one trusts government less and the other trusts people/private businesses less
If there was a way either could be held accountable it would be a win no matter what, but this is hard as the group grows bigger and bigger

>> No.13111512

For the record, if anyone cares, I like Szabo a lot. His writing is heaps more elegant and worldly than CSW and I wish that he was part of SN, but the truth is anyone with half a brain can see that bitgold is radically different from bitcoin as an economic system, it's not even close to the same thing. Not meant to be fungible or evenly priced, certainly not cash-like in any sense, no mining incentives, no balances or fixed limits on supply. It's completely different, and calling it a red herring isn't good enough lol

>> No.13111532

>>13111512
Your gay rambling has been entered into the record. I've also noted that no one cares.

>> No.13111674

>>13111532

Not an argument :)

>> No.13111730

>>13111484

You sound like a pothead with no original ideas of your own, all you do is parrot what rubes on YouTube say
>bitcoin needs no leader
>it's creator does not want it to have one

It obviously needed a leader for the two years Satoshi was active. He never said anything about there being no leaders.

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13111840

>>13111730
the irony of your post
>needed a leader for the two years Satoshi was active
you answered your own question
also
>He never said anything about there being no leaders.
maybe it's time you stop talking about shit you have no idea about, read a little:
https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/
maybe start small, with the quotes then take a peek at the forum posts

your post is specially funny to me since I have never smoked pot not once in my life. It's an irrelevant note, I know, but to me it's extra humorous. I do, however, watch a lot of full conferences that are available on youtube, I'll give you that.

I have to keep reminding myself that you also think CRAIG is part of a supposed "satoshi group", which is funnier than everything put together. We are discussing Szabo's involvement, nevertheless it's important to make the observation that you are an absolute moron gypsy brains pants on head retard.

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13111842

>>13110902
I'll have to read that tonight. What is Bitcoin if not a collectible? It is a literal collectible right now, it serves no other utility other than speculation or to simply say that you have one. I'm not saying it won't evolve past that, I think it will, but you're mentally hilarious if you think it's proven itself as a store of value or a MOE yet

>> No.13111991

>>13111842
So the last 10 years of borderless transactions on what was built into the most secure and decentralized network has no utility?
Are you naive or just ignorant of the entire purpose of bitcoin

>> No.13111997

>>13111991
bitcorn isnt that a scam?

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13112009

>>13110189

Yeah, seems to be fangirling Trump pretty hard. Cringepilled.

>> No.13112014

>>13111997
Bitcoin is an experiment of Austrian economics with a built in security incentive model

>> No.13112027

>>13111991
Take a look at the chart, those things can be true and bitcoin can still be a collectible... Again, if bitcoin isn't a collectible then what is it? Would you feel comfortable market buying to store all of your life savings in bitcoin? Can you settle most debts with it? If not, it's not a store of value or legitimate medium of exchange. I think it will get there one day, but it's not there yet

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13112042

>>13110175
You tell me

>> No.13112067

>>13111842

It's a commodity. If you want to use the ledger, you need bitcoin.

>if you think it's proven itself as a store of value or a MOE yet

Personally? I don't think any of that lindy/shell theory stuff will matter in 100 years, that whole idea is based on it being "digital gold" in the first place, bitcoin is way more powerful than any of that. The spice from Dune is a better comparison.

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13112080

>>13110189
found his buddy trae

>> No.13112131

>>13112067
I guess I need to read Dune lol. My point really just is that it's not bulletproof. It's software, so it's inherently flawed in some way, whether we can see those flaws or not. Software has to generally just be "good enough," but when we're talking about storing value (whether it's a commodity or not), it has to be better than that. That's mostly why I say it's a collectible at this point, but I think commodity is probably a better way to describe it. Especially if you consider Silk Road or laszlo's pizzas

>> No.13112138

>>13112131
At the same time, I don't think most people use it to transfer value for the sake of transferring value much anymore. It's much more speculative at this point

>> No.13112139

>>13112027
Until I can buy a bitcoin and lots of little bitcoins come out of it, I’ll be sticking with my boomer stocks, thanks

>> No.13112163

>>13110337
Where can I buy this 'Cryptographic Super Worldwide' coin thing?

>> No.13112230

>>13112138
I used to gamble a lot of money on sports and it was great transferring over 10k without any questions
it's also a solid idea to speculate in bitcoin when socialism is gaining popularity and government debt is out of control

>> No.13112236

>>13112131

I guess I don't see it as just software, more like an economic system that enables compatible software to append to an address space based on how they use electricity and computing power in relation to others. Forks are why the software doesn't matter as much to me too, because the address space is consistent between all of them, does that make sense?

>>13112138

Thousands of scammers and drug dealers use it daily.

>> No.13112243

>>13112139
>what did he mean by this?
do you mean dividends or interest?
the rates are different due to it being outside the regular economy
you can lend bitcoin to margin traders and gain a variable percentage
the LN isn't built out yet so any interest from routing node operations isn't really practical yet

the thing is bitcoin is build in a way so you're not forced to invest in boomer stocks to keep up with inflation rates

>> No.13112283

>>13112236
still me, just phone posting now. But you're right about it being more than software, it has history and network effects. The point I was raising about software is that there could be a catastrophic bug that no one has noticed yet, and it's not uncommon for people to find bugs years after software has been released. Really unlikely, but could happen. Also you're right about the scammers I suppose.

>>13112230
Yeah, the whole "unstoppable code" thing is the best value proposition and I think it's revolutionary. It may seem like I'm trying to talk down Bitcoin but I'm not. I agree with it's utility, and I have a decent amount of bitcoin, but I've mostly just been collecting it up to this point. It just sits and I don't care what the price does short term. I'm also pretty concerned about the strong pish for socialist bs

>> No.13112809

>>13111437
You are the absolute biggest brainlet in this thread, holy shit it hurts to scroll through this thread. Just gas yourself.

>> No.13112836

>>13110531
which podcast? I'd like to give it a listen

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13112860

>Craig wright needs to sign to prove he's satoshi
>nick szabo doesn't need to sign to prove he's satoshi

>> No.13112939

>>13110531
>>13110768
>>13112836
it was on the tim ferris podcast, but this anon is making shit up. szabo was just talking about bitgold, and he almost said "when i invented bitcoin" instead of what he wanted to say "when i invented bitgold". it was just a minor slip and not a proof of anything in the context of the interview. they were talking about bitcoin and he wanted to refer to bitgold.

>> No.13112951

>>13110337
Based and redpilled

>> No.13112997

>>13112860
Nick Szabo doesn't go around telling everyone he is Satoshi.

>> No.13113007

>>13112997
>claiming you are satoshi makes you not satoshi

>> No.13113022

>>13113007
I get that you're upset that nobody believes you, Craig, but if you're going to claim that you are, you should offer proof. Demanding proof from someone who doesn't claim they are is a little, idk, retarded?

>> No.13113025

>>13113007
>claiming you are satoshi makes you satoshi

>> No.13113038

>>13113022
I am pro SV.

The thing to understand is that this isn't really just about Craig. This is about you, this is about me, this is about our beliefs. This is about the structure of reality itself.

Our reality has literally split into multiple parallel time tracks (movies) that are simultaneously occurring. You see this in politics with how polarized it has gotten and how people can't seem to make up their minds about whether a particular person or group is good or bad, or what story or narrative of events is the true one. The secret is, there is no real external truth to any of this, as physical reality is really just a projection in our own consciousness and will automatically reflect whatever our strongest beliefs are. As such, the way we experience reality as it unfolds as positive or negative entirely depends on what definitions and beliefs we are holding.

Bitcoin is actually a technological reflection of something bigger. The Bitcoin network is a cross section extrusion of a geometric matrix from a higher dimension into this dimension of spacetime. The original term used for the blockchain was actually the timechain and if you look at the early source code from 2008 you will see this. Bitcoin, in the form of the original design, exhibits quantum mechanical properties and as it scales it develops into a hive-mind network of artificial intelligence that hyper connects and coordinates all human activity to allow it to operate at higher frequencies, in order to assist in stabilizing our timeline and accelerating our evolution from the 3rd to the 4th "density" or frequency range of consciousness.

This is why there can be no proof. Craig is simultaneously Satoshi and a fraud, and you will see the one or the other depending on the point of view you are taking. He is whoever you say he is. With that in mind, make the choice for yourself and decide what you want to buy into. It's your projection after all.

>> No.13113041

>>13113007
When you make a claim you shouldn't be surprised when people ask you to provide proof that your claim is true. Compared to somebody who hasn't made a claim and follows more closely Satoshi's inclination towards privacy. Personally I think it's neither of them, your point doesn't make any sense though.

>> No.13113143

>>13113041
why do you think it isn't Szabo? are you literally blind and cant read?

>> No.13113376

The look on his face says it all.
"Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks."