/smg/ - Stock Market General

[Anonymous No.12474519]

After hours edition

>I'm new to the stock market, what stocks should I buy?
Before you buy anything, stop making the general with trips, make a brokerage account and read investopedia articles and/or the books in the OP list. If you don't have a broker, you can't buy stocks and if you blindly buy things without understanding how the stock market works or doing any research on the individual stocks you're buying, you will lose money and it will be entirely your fault.

List of popular brokers:
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List of basic stock market terminology for newfags:
https://pastebin.com/VtnpN5iJ (embed)

Real-time market news:
https://thefly.com/index.php

Educational sites:
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain

Free in depth technical analysis charts:
http://www.tradingview.com

Premarket Data:
https://pastebin.com/y9PRQLR3 (embed)

Earnings Report Calendars:
https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=moonmissioncontrol2.0%40gmail.com
https://biz.yahoo.com/research/earncal/today.html
https://www.earningswhispers.com/calendar

Pump and Dump Advertising:
https://stocktwits.com

Boomer Investing 101
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started (RIP John)

Suggested books:
https://pastebin.com/jgA5zTuC (embed)

past life of /smg/:
>>12472392

[Anonymous No.12474538]

What is the best one year play and why is it Kraft-Heinz?

[Anonymous No.12474539]

QLD SSO TO MAKE IT

buy and be a part of the future of gains

[Anonymous No.12474553]

>>12474538
Kraft Heinz Weak

But the weak often become the strong. The once top food stock will come back to the top

[Anonymous No.12474555]

[Anonymous No.12474558]

>>12474519

[Anonymous No.12474561]

>>12474553
Yes brother. Just sit back and collect that 5% divy and wait for the run back up to the top.

[Anonymous No.12474571]

>>12474558
Please buy it

[Anonymous No.12474582]

What do you think about BABA for the long term? It's growing like crazy, but still looks really expensive.

[Anonymous No.12474589]

how do I short both the EU and england come march

[Anonymous No.12474607]

>>12474589
Short EWU or EWUS

[Anonymous No.12474633]

>>12474561
theyre gonna increase that divy too. No cuts on this Buffet and 3G backed. Same with Gis. Historically they always stagnate for a year or so but continue to rise

[Anonymous No.12474639]

Netflix is getting JUST AH

[Anonymous No.12474657]

>>12474633
Ooh nikki I just noticed my smuck is now profitable! Took a cupple months but this could be good!

[Anonymous No.12474669]

>>12474639
4% off is generous for how bad that report was.

I really wanted to buy some put options but pussied out because I'm a brainlet. Most obvious short of all time.

[Anonymous No.12474674]

>buy puts
>lose money
>get rid of puts
>up $60
I'm sorry for ever doubting you, bull

[Anonymous No.12474690]

>>12474669
The IV is 353.61% right now. Even if you got puts you still will get fucked.

[Anonymous No.12474692]

>>12474657
Yeah I wanted to buy Smuckers really bad when it was under 100 for so long but at the same time Like 1000 other stocks I love on my watchlist were Cheapies so I didnt have time

[Anonymous No.12474704]

>>12474690
What does this mean to a brainlet?

[Anonymous No.12474720]

>>12474704
>https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/iv.asp

[Anonymous No.12474732]

>>12474704
Ur gunna get IV crushed m8

[pendulumisafaggot !uucIbqjoOQ No.12474734]

>>12474720
who else /shortvxxb/?

[Anonymous No.12474738]

>>12474674
options are for degenerate gamblers
dividends are your friend :)

[Anonymous No.12474745]

>>12474704
there's a hurricane barreling towards your house
you see one grocery store selling water for $300 a gallon
you go "lmao cucks this other grocery store is selling it for $275 I'll just buy it there" thinking you've just gotten a steal of a deal

[Anonymous No.12474754]

>>12474738
I wanted to hedge against T taking a poo but I didn't need them

you can see my portfolio is for divs, my frens
besides for odp that's just there for memes

[Anonymous No.12474758]

>>12474738
How did you get a photo of LCI guy?

[Anonymous No.12474771]

>>12474690
Probably won't get fucked, but won't make all that much.

>>12474704
Option volatility are partly determined by volatility expectations, which implied volatility (IV) reflects. Usually IV is elevated around earnings and other events, then drops enormously after the event passes--meaning that the elevated option premiums drop. So if you bought options and you were directionally right on the event, you'd make money on the delta (directional exposure) but lose money at the same time on vega (volatility exposure). Conversely, selling options lets you benefit from falling IV.

[Anonymous No.12474782]

>>12474732
lmao now you know how i felt when this happened to you on MU
weve come full circle

[Anonymous No.12474785]

>>12474771
>Options are partly determined by volatility expectations, which implied volatility (IV) reflects.
oops, fixed.

[Anonymous No.12474796]

>>12474690
>>12474785
this makes sense but what does 300% IV actually mean compared to 200% IV?

[Anonymous No.12474797]

>>12474582
BABA is the real reason jeff is getting a divorced

[Anonymous No.12474803]

Why won't AMD go down and stay there! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA my puts!

[Anonymous No.12474821]

>>12474782
Oh fuck I forgot about that :(((
Good thing I bought the dip... On options contracts
Brainlet.gif

[Anonymous No.12474826]

>>12474796
All else equal the 300% IV option will be more expensive. If expected volatility decreases, the IV goes down and the option loses value. This happens often after earnings announcements, especially for out of the money options. Inexperienced traders will buy call options, thinking they're just betting on the stock price going up and then go mad when the call loses value even though the stock is up 5% (and IV is down to, lets say, 100%).

[Anonymous No.12474834]

>>12474796
it means dont fucking buy them
simple as

you SHOULD sell them tho

>>12474821
no one learns options by getting everything right desu
in fact the fuckers who start off with a shitton of big wins are the ones who usually blow up

[Anonymous No.12474837]

>>12474796
It can be the difference between an option value of $5.00 or $4.00 (for illustrative purposes; I'm not going to run something through a model for exact values).

[Anonymous No.12474847]

>>12474821
Lol hey Comfy remember when you asked what anj SMA was

Kek lol

[Anonymous No.12474855]

>>12474826
But once you lock into an option the IV can't change right?

[Anonymous No.12474860]

Can someone explain to me what the catch is for 12% div REITs like WMC?

Is it just that there's not really much growth potential so it isn't a good long-term hold?

[Anonymous No.12474872]

>>12474855
oh my sweet child...

srsly senpai do some reading on the greeks or your gonna hurt yourself

[Anonymous No.12474875]

>>12474855
IV is ever changing just like the underlying. When you buy an option, you're locking in a particular IV and underlying that you're buying at, but that doesn't mean it can't move against you.

[Anonymous No.12474880]

>>12474855
>lock into an option
>lock
Can't tell if this is an honest question

[Anonymous No.12474883]

>>12474834
>>12474847
I can't believe this thread sent me $700 to manage for them via Autism Inc
>>12474855
IV changes constantly friend, please don't trade options

[Anonymous No.12474884]

>>12474771

Hmm...

If I buy AMD puts/calls right now when the volatility is around 50% with an expiry date after earnings... will the volatility spike up to 300% and make my options be worth way more?

[Anonymous No.12474887]

>>12474880
>>12474875
>>12474872
where can i learn in under 5 minutes

[pendulumisafaggot !uucIbqjoOQ No.12474901]

>>12474884
AMD won't hit 300% like NFLX, but it could go up in time, if you wanted to make decent risk/reward IV profit plays you should've bought the options a month ago

[Anonymous No.12474911]

>>12474834
>>12474826
I actually looked up what IV means. IV is the percentage movement within one year that the option contract price implies is within one standard deviation.

So IV of 300% means the options contract's price implies a potential price move of 3x within one year. For weeklies, you have to correct from one year to one week, which implies a standard deviation price move of +- $145.

[Anonymous No.12474915]

>>12474887
is calculus something you have a background in?
if so, go look at that "options, futures and other derivatives" book.

if not, theres those two two hour vids that used to be in the OP that are a good crash course desu

point is, dont trade them till you understand the maths. period.

>>12474883
ez come, ez go
if i was making 20k in a day id give you $700 myself just to see what you do. investing is cool and all but im always more fascinated with what people do when you throw money at them

[Anonymous No.12474921]

>>12474901

The only thing is with buying them months ago is that the time value makes them more expensive.

I wouldn't know if it's worth it, I'd be buying options that expire pretty much after earnings, thus I'd lose like 99% of the time value premium.

[Anonymous No.12474925]

>>12474911
look up the formula on how its calculated. its kinda complex
point is, you buy now and vega will crush you. you sell contracts now and its basically free money

[pendulumisafaggot !uucIbqjoOQ No.12474934]

>>12474921
spreads are for managing theta decay

that being said I don't really try to profit off strangles in this fashion, so idk

[Anonymous No.12474935]

>>12474887
read investopedia on the fly while trading contracts, you'll learn real fast or not at all

[Anonymous No.12474938]

>>12474884
>If I buy AMD puts/calls right now when the volatility is around 50% with an expiry date after earnings... will the volatility spike up to 300% and make my options be worth way more?
It will probably fall after earnings because options values are already elevated in anticipation of earnings--you know, people buying calls in case the stock has a great report and people buying puts to cover their losses in case the report is bad. Think about it, why would IV increase *after* people know what's in the report? More likely you'll see people exit their speculations and hedges afterwards which depresses options prices.

[Anonymous No.12474943]

>>12474921
buying them far out will shield you somewhat from this IV crush as well


same thing with going ITM (tho this is a fuck awful idea for ERs desu)

[Anonymous No.12474944]

>>12474887
IV isn't that hard to understand. If you have a stock that you expect to move up and down a lot, then the chance of an option ending in the money is higher compared to a stock that barely moves. Let's say there's 2 stocks at $50 with identical greeks, but one can move $10 on any given day while the other can only move $1 a day. You want to buy a call with strike of $60. Clearly, you'd prefer to buy the call on the stock which moves $10 a day because it's much more likely to end up at $60+ than the other stock.

[pendulumisafaggot !uucIbqjoOQ No.12474948]

>>12474938
I think he's thinking to sell them as it gets closer to the ER

>>12474921
>>12474925
but like this guy says selling options is probably the best way to profit off of this

[Anonymous No.12474956]

Made money off of FNGU. Need a meme, pls no options I'm not smart enough for them

[pendulumisafaggot !uucIbqjoOQ No.12474982]

>>12474956
all in GSAT

or GE unironically

[Anonymous No.12474985]

>>12474887
https://www.tastytrade.com/tt/learn/implied-volatility

https://www.tastytrade.com/tt/learn/vega

Don't worry about people saying you need to learn the 'maths' behind it or the formulas driving it. It's just as necessary to learn that as it is to learn mechanical engineering and aerodynamics to drive a car.

[Anonymous No.12474999]

>>12474519
who GALT bagholder here? relegated to be, at best, a combination NASH treatment but never a backbone treatment. wew lad. oh well, can probably cash out on same fake hype for the dilution hits

real NASH king (GENFIT) will IPO on NASDAQ 1H 2019. if you want a penny NASH stock, VKTX

[Anonymous No.12475010]

>>12474985
>It's just as necessary to learn that as it is to learn mechanical engineering and aerodynamics to drive a car
Buying stocks, or even CFDs, is like driving a car. Stock goes up, you profit. If not, you don't. Buying options is more like flying an airplane.

[Anonymous No.12475011]

>>12474985
>not making money exclusively off of particular greeks after masturbating over calculus for days
pleb

tastytrades is good and they do interesting vids on stuff no one talks about, but FUCK i always have to skip like 40mins in to dodge them talking about their fucking kids or something retarded

[Anonymous No.12475012]

JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP

[Anonymous No.12475013]

when pullback?

[Anonymous No.12475031]

>>12475011
airplanes arent too much different from cars desu
theres just an extra axis

id liken it more to flying a heli
theres two sticks, a throttle, and two pedals. you neglect even ONE of them and you crash

[Anonymous No.12475037]

>>12475031
meant for >>12475010

too many purple ids ITT

[Anonymous No.12475052]

Robinhood makes it seem like if I buy this option on Kraft, I would profit if it is $51.70 or higher by the expiration date and lose all my money under it. So what is the IV if I buy this option and how could it change? It seems so simple, what am I missing out on?

[Anonymous No.12475065]

>>12475010
>Buying options is more like flying an airplane.
Maybe one on autopilot. It's actually pretty simple and straightforward. The greeks tell you very succinctly how you're positioned and where your risks are.

[Anonymous No.12475071]

>>12474948
>selling options is probably the best way to profit off of this
i dont know if SS officer still posts here but he had the right idea with short delta neutral strangles on almost every ER desu

[Anonymous No.12475073]

>>12475052
kinda surprised people are still using robinhood, what volumes are you trading if you can't handle a real brokerage fee?

[pendulumisafaggot !uucIbqjoOQ No.12475093]

>>12475052
kek RH, this is the info you want, I don't use RH so not sure where to find it there

>>12475071
haven't seen him post since uh, early fall I feel like

[Anonymous No.12475094]

>>12475073
slippage is horrendous on options markets desu
not to mention CDEL is MM for almost all of em.
sometimes i DONT wanna do 30 debit spreads, ya know?

[Anonymous No.12475100]

>>12475073
I have 8k currently mostly invested long term but with a little I would like to gamble with.

I used to have more in Scottrade but didn't like the system when bought out by TD Ameritrade so cashed everything out a year or two ago and just started buying again.

[Anonymous No.12475107]

>>12475011
That's what makes them cozy, though. That's way better than some 25 year old soi boy californian talking into a maximum reverb camera about options or some dry old used car salesman type guy from New York.

[Anonymous No.12475136]

>>12475093
>haven't seen him post since uh, early fall I feel like
aww man, i hope that doesnt mean what i think it does
i was always telling him to cover his ass with those short options positions. even a stop buy on a contract as a stop loss is better than nothing.

i have a bad feeling he got fucked hard on one of those and met the unholy 0.01% on one of those positions. prolly got nuked entirely in one day

>>12475107
yea they kinda ''do'' double as some sort of talk radio desu
but when im trying to learn, i try to go for vids that are more to the point. tho ill always prefer books.

[Anonymous No.12475142]

First

[Anonymous No.12475145]

>>12475071
i wish they'd write greeks as derivatives with units instead of giving them retarded names

[Anonymous No.12475150]

where to find more of this?

[Anonymous No.12475162]

THREADLY REMINDER THAT DIVIDENDS ARE YOUR FREN

DOC coming to visit tomorrow, CSCO next week then JPM to round out January.

[Anonymous No.12475163]

>>12475136
lol
i always forget theres no formatting options on this site
fucking hiro
even the shittiest chans have it

>>12475145
thats what makes em so baste tho
you talk serious options around normalfags and they think ur a fuggin financial wizard

trust me
greeks drop the panties like no other

[Anonymous No.12475164]

Why can't I set a stop loss and a limit sell at the same time on RH

[Anonymous No.12475171]

>>12475162

[Anonymous No.12475180]

>>12475164
Normally you'd use an OCO bracket for that.

[Anonymous No.12475184]

How to invest cash in CHF? Short term government bonds literaly yield negative. Interest on bank account is 0.05%. Inflation is over 1%. Bought a bit of CHCORP but the yield is also awful.

[Anonymous No.12475185]

>>12475162
DRIP is my waifu

[Anonymous No.12475192]

Please absolute brainlet here how can I be fucked over besides this not hitting the strike price? Are you telling me I can still somehow lose money if Kraft is $70 in July?

[Anonymous No.12475198]

>>12475184
what country are you in?

[Anonymous No.12475213]

>>12475198
Switzerland

[pendulumisafaggot !uucIbqjoOQ No.12475216]

>>12475136
yeah...that definitely matches around the time I last remember him posting

>>12475192
you can't lose more than $60 with that purchase no matter what KHC's price is, but you can still lose if you hold until expiration and KHC is between 57.5-57.8

[Anonymous No.12475218]

>>12475180
Please explain

[Anonymous No.12475222]

>>12475192
>auto expire even it doesn't reach your strike price

what the fuck, what I wanna burn money? fuck you RH

[Anonymous No.12475232]

>>12475192
Can you not model in RH?

[Anonymous No.12475243]

>>12475192

[Anonymous No.12475249]

>>12475192
If shares are trading at 57.81 you can exercise it and make a cool $1

[Anonymous No.12475256]

Should I finally get GE now?

[Anonymous No.12475261]

>>12475216
Right but if it's $58 I win right? What is all this talk about an IV and options changing then?

[Anonymous No.12475262]

>>12475216
fug
he prolly got baited into the really high IV in the middle of the oct, thought it would calm down, and got absolutely nuked

F

>>12475184
>>12475213
>is in switerland
>wants to invest cash in CHF
im confus
go to an ATM?
what do you have right now? euros? you should easily be able to exchange them in any major city

[Anonymous No.12475272]

>>12475222
If it's at the strike price just buy the fucking shares if you want. What do you think options are?

[Anonymous No.12475276]

>>12475261
yes, if the stock is above your break even price you get money

otherwise, you lose money

[Anonymous No.12475280]

>>12475222
this reminds me of the time my limit didnt fill on a bunch of ITM puts, i didnt notice, and i woke up on monday and was short 20000 shares of HYG

too bad i didnt just HODL desu

[Anonymous No.12475281]

Don’t trade options retarded nigger you’re going to fuck it up.

[Anonymous No.12475283]

>>12475262
I'm saying how to invest into short term low risk assets that yield more than inflation? Like a 2y treasury is yielding 2.5% right now.

[Anonymous No.12475289]

>>12474803

$30 bag holder here. AMD shit the bed during that massive dip so it had better slowly fucking climb back up at this point you piece of shit. It was supposed to topple intel, split, then become the next Pepsi to Nvidias coke but you faggot bears brought it down.

[Anonymous No.12475291]

>>12475261
the fact that you have to pay $60 instead of 0 shows that there's some sort of IV that's increasing the option price. If IV was really really high, you'd need to pay $100 and you'd never be able to make a profit. if IV was very low, that option might cost $5.

[Anonymous No.12475306]

>>12475164
>Why can't I set a stop loss and a limit sell at the same time on RH

If Robins doesn't offer that kind of order placement, you can do something similar in a messier kind of way. By that I mean split your shares in to two chunks; stop loss half, put your high limit sell on the other half.

Not ideal but that's how it goes with limited functionality trading platform like robinhoodwinks. Subtle hint that getting yourself a for realsies brokerage account is worthwhile even if it means paying commissions on your trades. I felt a similar way trading stuff on the Canadian CSE (basically Canada's home for shit stocks) before they re-allowed stop orders in 2017. Before that they were experimenting with no stops (buy or sell) on all stocks on the exchange, which meant you had to watch everything you had riding on the CSE like a hawk during trading hours in case you needed to do a manual loss sell. Drove me crazy but the dude weed was mostly CSE at the time so i managed.

[Anonymous No.12475311]

>>12475256
You shoulda got GE a month ago.

[Anonymous No.12475313]

>>12475261
Because almost no one here holds options contracts till expiration. The change in premium is where you make money

[Anonymous No.12475315]

>>12475283
if you have access to american markets you can use an ETF $BIL which are short term treasuries (1-3mo) at 2.4%, as safe as you can get with a return.

[Anonymous No.12475316]

>>12475218
I don't know what RH does or doesn't allow you to do with your orders, but if you want a sell limit and a stop limit at the same time, you'd put on an "order cancels order" bracket. Basically, if one of the orders gets a fill, the other order gets automatically cancelled. The problem with trying to use both orders separately is that if one gets filled, the other order stays on and could potentially get a fill some time after the first one, so brokers usually force you to use an OCO.

To illustrate the problem: You have 100 shares of something and you set an individual stop loss at $19, then set an individual sell limit at $20. The stock falls to $19 and fills your stop order--you're now out of your stock position. But later in the day the stock moves up to $20, filling your sell limit and making you *short* 100 shares. Naturally, brokers would rather clients eliminate that unnecessary risk in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12475322]

Anyone else /PCG'd/?

[Anonymous No.12475323]

>>12474860

I haven’t even looked at the stock, but with my knowledge after playing on the market for 6 months, I’d say the divv is probably too high and waiting to get cut, or they never fucking pay it and probably won’t until the price goes up.

[Anonymous No.12475330]

>>12475322
Fixin’ to exit my XEL position to buy them up.

[Anonymous No.12475333]

>>12475322

kek

[Anonymous No.12475334]

>>12475322
Waiting for opportunity to buy.
But I don’t think that’s coming

[Anonymous No.12475337]

>>12475306
Idk man I'm too much of a Jew to pay for trades. I have a feeling RH will fix this, they're rolling out new stuff all the time

[Anonymous No.12475339]

>>12475315
Yes but I carry the exchange rate risk because I need CHF and the ETF is denominated in $. The closest thing I found is iShares' DTLC which is CHF hedged but has a super long 20yr duration which is too much.

[Anonymous No.12475347]

>>12475289
unfortunately I think AMD blew its momentum. it was there for the initial ryzen releases but the actual performance isn't there financially for another big bump. PT: ~22

[Anonymous No.12475351]

>>12475073

I’m not using Robinhood and I’m buying in volumes of 2, 3, and a maximum of 15.

I still haven’t made enough to cover the commission fee. How fucked am I?

[Anonymous No.12475358]

>>12475339
Aren't there plenty of businesses to invest in? Nestle and Swiss Re are pretty good for example.

[Anonymous No.12475359]

>>12475261
im sry senpai but this guy >>12475281 is right
youre way too stupid to be doing this

>>12475283
2yr sounds pretty good. looks like large specs are FINALLY starting to cover. thats a pretty fat yield all things considered. the only thing i worry about is currency risk. im expecting some pretty fat inflation in USD around that time frame. would still probably beat inflation, but that stuff gets pretty confusing sometimes

[Anonymous No.12475360]

>>12475337
RH is that F2P game that takes 5 years to get out of Beta

[Anonymous No.12475362]

>>12475316
Yeah that makes sense I just don't know why it isn't a feature

[Anonymous No.12475369]

>>12475351
honestly if you're trading less than $800 USD or so you're fucking yourself over

[Anonymous No.12475375]

>>12475360
>RH is that F2P game that takes 5 years to get out of Beta

Accurate.

[Anonymous No.12475379]

>>12475362
Eh, you get what you pay for. Maybe the place they route their orders to for rebates doesn't allow it.

[Anonymous No.12475392]

>>12475052
you're only considering exercising the option, which is only a portion of the option's value. you can also sell the option to some sucker. if the IV suddenly drops to zero, no one will buy your option. if the IV suddenly shoots to 300%, people will buy your option for lots of money.

[Anonymous No.12475402]

>>12475362
because RH doesnt care about their clients (hence why the ToS has you agreeing to let them frontrun your orders to CDEL).

RHs sole existence was on the back of trying to get fresh dumb money into the market to sell into imo. it worked spectacularly. and im certain in the event of a flash crash, youre gonna see the whole service shit itself.

[Anonymous No.12475409]

>>12475379
>McConnell blocks bill to reopen most of government.

[Anonymous No.12475410]

Holyy shit these earnings are a disaster. This makes q4 look amazing. You are delusional if you think we won't retest December lows after this train wreck.

[Anonymous No.12475411]

>>12475369

$800 per transaction or overall? I’m just learning so I’m not going all in on a stock and losing it all with a massive fuck up

Like I did with AMD

[Anonymous No.12475415]

>>12475347
desu hoping it tanks. sold at $28 last time it topped. if it tanks to ~$15 level again, I'm going to load up on it as a long term position.

[Anonymous No.12475416]

>>12475402

USE LIMIT ORDERS, retard

Also every single broker trades against their clients, yet [[[[for whatever reason]]] there seems to be a group of [[[[people]]]] on here who only callout robinhood on this.

kys

[Anonymous No.12475418]

>>12475410
Bearniggers getting desperate.

[Anonymous No.12475419]

>>12475410

I’m praying a crash has been priced in. I may be delusional, but...

[Anonymous No.12475424]

>>12475411
yeah but youre just burning commissions for nothing

[Anonymous No.12475426]

>>12475351
Never trade if you don't have a reasonable chance to cover commissions. The fuck man?

If you're investing for (high) yield, the first dividend should at least cover the commissions on the trade. Otherwise, the underlying shouldn't have to move more than 1-2% to reach your breakeven. If you can only trade tiny amounts like that, then robinhood would probably be better for you because shitty order routing won't affect you as much.

[Anonymous No.12475432]

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[Anonymous No.12475439]

>>12475432
Fuck off CIA

[Anonymous No.12475441]

>>12475416
schwab doesnt, to my knowledge
i think tastyworks doesnt either

also, if youre trying to imply that RH doesnt frontrun your limit orders to CDEL as well, youre wrong

[Anonymous No.12475466]

>>12475411
if you're just learning go for RH, just don't buy into the stocks mentioned here so easily...
and yeah per trade

[Anonymous No.12475477]

>>12475466
/smg/ actually makes good picks, even on its meme stocks.

[Anonymous No.12475495]

>>12475477
Lol

[Anonymous No.12475509]

>>12475477
If you short all the smg picks maybe

[Anonymous No.12475517]

>>12475416
every broker does this, even if they say they dont

[Anonymous No.12475522]

hello fine gentlemen

any other intelligent investors like to frequent /wallstreetbets/?

[Anonymous No.12475545]

>>12475522
yes!!!!! I like to call it "wall street beats" and put on snoop dog and jay z while I trade. 'tis rare to meet another wusbeeter here :D

[Anonymous No.12475549]

>>12475477
>MNGA
>good pick
Anon I...

[Anonymous No.12475550]

>>12475477
Y-y-yeah /smg/ is elite

[Anonymous No.12475568]

>>12475550
>>12475549
>>12475509
>>12475495
Backtest a portfolio of all the /smg/ meme stocks

[Anonymous No.12475569]

>>12475509
Go long Amazon.

Short that shit, I dare you!

[Anonymous No.12475574]

>>12475522
It is just a bunch of $150 accounts with options on SNAP because they can't afford anything else. They also try to act edgy and I hope they lose everything. They also fell for someones essay meme today....

[Anonymous No.12475576]

>>12474519
Who else is longing PETQ

[Anonymous No.12475581]

>>12475569
I'm only short on IQ @ $17.75 right now.

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12475607]

>>12475568
backtested a mix of newer and older memestocks

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12475617]

>>12475607
forgot to include this in the cap

[Anonymous No.12475619]

>>12475607
What's the difference between jam and jelly?

[Anonymous No.12475621]

>>12475607
fucking horrible

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12475629]

>>12475621
what did you expect

[Anonymous No.12475632]

Level with me how solid is Ford's dividend? It's currently at 7.2 % yield... Wtf

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12475645]

>>12475621
>>12475629
stocks don't become memes because they perform well, they become memes either because people post about them a lot (good or bad) or some tripfag shills them a lot

[Anonymous No.12475657]

>>12475607
desu thats MUCH better than i thought it would be

>>12475581
poor calculated gamble
does he still post?
he was best tripfag hands down imo

[Anonymous No.12475658]

>>12475645
Wrong. I can't jelly my cock up your bum

[Anonymous No.12475663]

>>12475658
i bet ya could if you asked nicely desu

[Anonymous No.12475666]

>>12475657
I haven’t seen him since he said he was leaving, it’s very sad

[Anonymous No.12475673]

>>12475666
fug

[Anonymous No.12475678]

>>12475632
Before you buy it, you should ask yourself what makes Ford special and whether it has a durable competitive advantage along with the financial metrics to support the theory. If all you want is yield, look at some preferred stock.

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12475680]

>>12475466
>>12474999
oh, is that why you're so buttmad about GALT
what's your asp

[Anonymous No.12475718]

>>12475680
Filtered, can't be assed with someone that doesn't even understand the NASH landscape or science.

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12475728]

>>12475718

[Anonymous No.12475773]

>>12475728
>>>/a/

[LCIguy !7SgaW5KMQI No.12475780]

>LCIguy bad
>Anonymous FUD posters good

[Anonymous No.12475792]

I give up, I'm going to get drunk and liquidate my portfolio while i'm still profitable tomorrow

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12475793]

>>12474999
how many seekingalpha articles did you read to form your expert understanding of the NASH landscape

[Anonymous No.12475796]

>>12475780
*snap*

[Anonymous No.12475800]

>>12475780
>using last year's meems
Filtered

[Anonymous No.12475835]

>>12475793
How does it feel to be universally hated both online and real life?

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12475861]

>>12475835
you tell me

[Anonymous No.12475867]

Time to die, bears

[Anonymous No.12475874]

>>12475867
BASED

[Anonymous No.12475884]

>>12475861
Epic come back, no wonder you're failing college

[Anonymous No.12475894]

>>12475792
>I give up

BOOOOOOOOO!!!

The instant you give up you miss out on massive gains within a week. Stock market rules, ya know.

[Anonymous No.12475909]

Got a question for you guys.
Would it be better to invest money by starting a business that builds and sells tangible products; or, would it be better to invest said money in the market?

[Anonymous No.12475919]

>>12475867
can you explain? how is that pic bad for bears?

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12475923]

>>12475909
>Would it be better to invest money by starting a business that builds and sells tangible products or would it be better to invest money by buying shares of a business that builds and sell tangible products

depends on your own personal goals and ambitions

>>12475919
it isn't, that's the joke

[Anonymous No.12475938]

>>12475909
>is it better to make money breaking your back dropping shipping chink garbage or make money sitting on your ass shitposting

[Anonymous No.12475960]

I have a $300 put on NFLX expiring tomorrow. I bought at $1.02 on Tuesday and it was $1.38 at close today.
I didn't know about IV until now. I'm guessing it'll be practically worthless at market open tomorrow, right?

[Anonymous No.12475963]

>>12475909
Running your own business will generally have the greatest potential reward of anything, but it also usually has greater risk and requires a considerably greater time investment on your part.

[Anonymous No.12475965]

>>12475960
It's gonna be worth like 1 cent tomorrow

rip

[Anonymous No.12475976]

>>12475923
>personal goals and ambitions
Well the immediate surface goal is to get as much money as possible as soon as possible;
however,
I do want to pursue opening a business as a means to build myself to have that filling of fulfillment.
I don't know if that's what you were addressing.
>>12475938
Not really what I asked.
More like:
would it better breaking my back working in my garage to build niche products with a wide range of possible markets or break my back sitting at a computer all day long researching the best performing companies / sectors / industries and find out what makes them stick out from the worst performing counterparts.
>>12475963
I am not too worried about the risks involved, but it does feel like time is taking its toll on me, like it's pressing down constantly and I've so much left.
Maybe that's a scheduling issue.

[Anonymous No.12475986]

>>12475976
how old are you? this will massively affect your decision

[Anonymous No.12475987]

>>12475960
Depends on the days to expiration, but it's probably going to lose value on the whole since you went so far out.

[Anonymous No.12476010]

>>12475960
You really thought it was going to drop 20% in one fucking day and paid $100 for the privledge to hold those bags?

[Anonymous No.12476011]

>>12475986
In my 30's.

[Anonymous No.12476012]

>>12475960
Yer fukin dun boi

[Anonymous No.12476015]

>>12475960
RIP

[Anonymous No.12476020]

>>12476010
That's not that crazy for tech stocks that have bad earnings. It happens every now and then

[Anonymous No.12476024]

>>12476010
Yes

[Anonymous No.12476065]

Reduced my Dis position today. Gonna use the proceeds to buy back into AMRN when it dips. Also gonna keep a bit of cash on hand to get in on Slack when it ipo's. Slack is one of those cases where its only a matter of time before they sell out. (least I hope so). God I hope the founder/ceo isn't a dumb bitch who turns down a sack full of money. Especially if its' Amazon who's providing the sack. So shareholders win (Amazon shares would be nice, imo), Founder/Ceo wins, Amazon wins.

[Anonymous No.12476073]

>>12475960
Yes, 85% of all options expire worthless

[Anonymous No.12476091]

>>12475607
Wow, the meme portfolio isn’t that bad

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12476095]

>>12475884
remember when you were holding UDOW, DFEN, and TQQQ for the long term and then sold them as soon as things didn't go your way
remember when you were holding DIS, SPYD, and JPM for the long term and then sold them as soon as things didn't go your way
remember when you were long BST, QQQX, and LCI, and then sold them as soon as things didn't go your way

[Anonymous No.12476136]

>>12476065
But even if Amazon doesn't buy Slack, I've got a few more potential "victims" as positions. One of which pays a fat div and is in the shit so while I wait for it to climb out and for amazon to strike I get the fat divvy.

[Anonymous No.12476138]

>>12476011
if you've got some expert knowledge in a field that you think is profitable, and are single, go for it. your energy levels might not be as great as 20 year old, but if you've got some gamechanger education or research under your belt go for it.

I don't recommend it if you're married though. Better to invest money than time+money in that case.

[Anonymous No.12476140]

>>12476095
Nope. Remember when you weren't a fag?

[Anonymous No.12476167]

>>12476138
Thanks buddy for the insight.

[Anonymous No.12476168]

>>12476095
I never bought QQQX, and I'm still holding SPYD, BST JPM LCI and DIS?
You're especially faggy tonight, is your asshole bleeding from BBC?

[Anonymous No.12476180]

>>12476168
pendulum is a virgin I thought

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12476186]

>>12476168
post your current portfolio and all time returns

[Anonymous No.12476223]

>>12476186
why are you so nosy?

[Anonymous No.12476226]

>>12476180
pendulum is gay and thus promiscuous

[Anonymous No.12476240]

>>12476168
Gomfy I’m taking a look at the leaked holding of the Mormon church, you’re gonna want to see this! It’s IMPRESSIVE
https://www.scribd.com/document/380562519/2017-12-31-Thirteen-LLC-Investment-Summary

[Anonymous No.12476252]

>>12476226
Pendulum is just waiting for a nice daddy to break him in.

[Anonymous No.12476255]

>>12476186
Unless you're portfolio is over 10k, you shouldn't post your portfolio. It's rude and embarrassing desu, try to have some social decorum
However, I'm still recovering from the crash and my adventure with UDOW, down 10%.
However I'll be in the positives with LCI in no time :^)

[Anonymous No.12476257]

>>12476186
Now you

[Anonymous No.12476280]

>>12476257
damn Pendulum got defecated on..

[Anonymous No.12476289]

>>12476257
nice BRK.A screenshot

protip: robinhood hasnt existed for 5 years yet

[Anonymous No.12476290]

HOLY FUCK
has anyone ever played this doom mod?
looks fucking ridiculous. i had no idea that doom modding had gotten this fucking spectacular. i wouldve never been able to tell it was running on an engine thats like 25 years old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_faIycnKGU

>>12476226
literally everyone ITT, and on wall st is a degenerate and a hedonist
if you arent, youre unironically not gonna make it

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12476297]

>>12476257
>>12476280
I can also use inspect element, good job
I'm proud of you

[Anonymous No.12476300]

>>12476289
lel

[Anonymous No.12476318]

>>12476297
wow
pendulum can finally afford to remove that black dildo out of his faggot ass
congratulations aidsboi

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12476320]

>>12476289
Wew

[Anonymous No.12476337]

>>12476257
>>12476289
>papa buffet got outperformed by the QQQ over the last 5 years

[Anonymous No.12476352]

>>12476297
cope

[Anonymous No.12476370]

>>12476240
FUCKING BASED
The heathens don't understand their intentions, the church is literally preparing for the end of the world and they need the capital to carry out their plans
Their goal is to be able to feed 10 million people for 5 years once shit hits the fan, they are probably building secret bunkers as well

[Anonymous No.12476548]

after scouring the most bullpoop of technical anal jutsu's

found significance of the price todays pump went to
there is a concept of HALF WAY BACK
the return to SPY 263.5 was 2018s half way back

(2018 high + 2018 low) / 2 = half way back

[Pendulum !!97YdFhwozvv No.12476570]

why is it so common for people to blame others for their own bad financial decisions when it comes to the stock market
you're the only person responsible for your own decisions, stop pretending someone else forced you to buy that stock that tanked

[Anonymous No.12476634]

>>12476548
Well damn it does line up. You think that might function like some strange fib retracement type thing? I usually don’t believe in retracement happening like that but that might explain such strange resistances and patterns from the last week or so

[Anonymous No.12476675]

>>12476570
>things that never happened
fuck off bagholder

[Anonymous No.12476725]

>>12475793
You're the only person I've seen here unironically cite seekingalpha

[Anonymous No.12476734]

Bear market not confirmed over.

[Anonymous No.12476755]

Anyone investing in cannabis stocks? Or any opinion on the market?

[Anonymous No.12476770]

>>12476755
Yes, it's got huge, obvious growth potential, and every lobbyist I talk to is working with big money corps to legalize in their state

[Anonymous No.12476783]

>>12476734
>SPY at 3000
>Recession any day now

[Anonymous No.12476804]

>>12476770
Any in particular you're interested in? I'm mostly in Canopy growth

[Anonymous No.12476813]

>>12476755
pretty good for swings, Canopy(WEED) swings +40% pretty regularly, buy the dip and cash out, repeat

[Anonymous No.12476814]

>>12476755
Big cannabis industry is a meme. It will end up more like microbreweries than InBev.

Furthermore, this is "return to normal"

[Anonymous No.12476818]

>>12476755
I just shorted CRON today, 1 put, pray for me lads

[Anonymous No.12476820]

>>12476804
No, I'm not seeing anyone who seems particularly innovative, they're just in a good space, so I'm spreading between a few to make sure I land on the winner

[Anonymous No.12476837]

>>12476814
They'realready more revenue in US than firearms

[gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12476931]

>>12475477
I feel that someone should run some statistical analysis on this shit. I've honestly never seen anything shilled here that'd I'd actually want to buy besides indexes or commodity based etfs.

[Anonymous No.12476932]

>>12476548
Evidence of Bull
Full way back. 2016

[Anonymous No.12476935]

How far out do you usually sell covered calls?

[gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12476946]

>tfw my savings account will earn a higher yearly return than 99% of /biz/
feels good man.

[Anonymous No.12476982]

>>12475632
Mercedes ( DMLRY ) has 8%..

[Anonymous No.12476989]

Who is ready for a volatile Friday?

[Anonymous No.12477006]

>>12476982
NSANY has a 7%

[Anonymous No.12477038]

>>12476946
You can get a bond ETF that yields ~2.7% (BND). Is there a downside I'm not seeing for this? You still get liquidity and it pays dividends monthly

[Anonymous No.12477039]

>>12476946
What ever happened to the robinhood checking/savings account they were advertising?

[Anonymous No.12477042]

>>12476946
you could have 0.2% and have more than 99% of biz

[gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12477118]

>>12477038
More liquidity with a savings account since you can still technically lose your principal with a bond fund. I do got lots of money in a bond mutual fund though, it's getting like 3.5% returns right now.

>>12477042
lol

>>12477039
The hell if I know that shit was incredible false advertising. It was actually a money market fund in all but name and there was nothing protecting your principle even though they tried to bullshit their way into getting people to think the SIPC would cover it.

[Anonymous No.12477123]

I'm thinking about adding some high yield to my portfolio. These all pay monthly dividends and the charts generally look bottomy. So tempting.

[Anonymous No.12477143]

>>12477123
If you looking for a fat dividend to sit on for 10 years buy CIM.

[Anonymous No.12477148]

>>12477038
>Is there a downside I'm not seeing for this?
since it's primarily a medium term bond fund, your main risk is inflation / interest rates. if they spike (they won't), you're holding 7+ year debt contracted at low rates, which will sell lower if investors have options to buy bonds at juicer yields. but of course, you can hold it until maturity and make nominal profits, but without considering inflation it's foolish.

[Anonymous No.12477154]

>>12476989
>hate clicks
too bad archive.is exists and everyone and their mother uses adblock and noscript

also
>volatile Friday?
yes pls

[Anonymous No.12477166]

>>12477123
YYY has massive fees, watch out

[Anonymous No.12477186]

>>12477143
I'm looking for a long term set and forget, how risky is this one?

[gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12477204]

>>12477123
I'd stay away from corporate bond funds if I were you, that shit is a ticking time bomb.

In regards to the bottom end of that list, though, TGLMX will get you better returns while still being almost completely low risk government bonds. 3.5% dividends for a slightly higher fee.

Ally bank also has a 12 month CD that gets you a 2.75% return, and getting and EE or I series savings bond will get you around 3.5% average returns as well over 20 years.

I know the 7 and 9% numbers look really tempting, but those kind of funds will absolutely blow up in the next crisis.

[Anonymous No.12477210]

>>12477186
the companies are all risk adjusted by the market. you should not expect a 7% div company to have the risk of a 3% company.

[gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12477222]

>>12477166
>2% expenses
yikes

[Anonymous No.12477225]

>>12477186
Not very. They are a REIT. Got fucked in 2008 like every other reit but recovered nicely and have held their price ever since with some decent appreciation.

Just sit back and let the dividends reinvest and then retire.

[Anonymous No.12477239]

>>12477148
Thanks.

Yeah I'm guessing no or only minor rate increases and plan to be continually transferring into stocks over the next 12-18 months.

Maybe I should move to shorter term bonds

[Anonymous No.12477258]

>>12477239
after 15 years of investing, i suggest (and you may already be) looking at things in a less binary matter. it's not 100% stocks or 100% bonds. maintain an asset allocation that you're comfortable with, and rebalance at predetermined intervals. it should be a boring process, but it's time proven and much better than going with gut feelings.

[Anonymous No.12477267]

>>12474860
>mortgage reit

they essentially buy either agency (gov't guaranteed) or non-agency (no guarantee) MBS securities and lever the fuck up to juice that underlying bond coupon. Incredibly complex when it comes to the funding and hedging strategies they employ to mitigate interest rate risk. Generally interest rate risk is going to be their primary concern. I don't know them too well but I was lucky to sit on on a meeting with AGNC's head guy

[Anonymous No.12477270]

>>12477143
>>12477166
>>12477204
Yeah it's just a list I threw together really fast to dig into over the next few days. Current plan to to stay collecting SCHD in my roth and regular account since it's commission free and super low cost.

[Anonymous No.12477292]

>>12477270
I have a chart of a bunch of data on various dividend ETFs I'll post when I get home
Be sure to look at their compositions, stuff like YYY is made up of high risk CEFs

[Anonymous No.12477294]

Just cancelled my Amazon prime because I wasn't using anything but the two-day shipping

Look for Amazon to miss this quarter.

[Anonymous No.12477303]

>>12477123
>im gonna buy a bunch of literal shit tier junk debt
>right now
pls dont do this to yourself senpai
buy literally anything else

there will be a time to catch some serious knives on some junk bonds, but it is most certainly NOT rn
muh smart munny™ has been dumping that shit since like september of 2017. its stayed afloat on yield starved div traders who dont know any better, and (my theory) pensioners who are misled into thinking this is a safe investment because "muh bond". in fact i feel a lot of the bond market has been pawned off onto boomers mutual funds all last year. almost every month, towards the end, i would see 100s of millions of bonds getting bought on the closing bell, with sells coming in to match (sometimes overtaking them).

stay the fuck away from bonds. theyre no safe haven during times of high inflation, nor rising rates. both situations could very possibly come within the next few years

[Anonymous No.12477304]

>>12477123
DIA has monthly dividends, and its a broad market Dow Jones Industrial Average EFT

[Anonymous No.12477332]

>>12477292
>>12477303
>>12477304
Thanks fampai, I got some reading to do

[gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12477340]

Looking at treasury rates right now is quite odd. The 1 year bond earlier this week was only six points away from the 10 year bond, closer than the 2 year bond. I wonder if there's a perception that the next crisis might not be so long and this is keeping the demand for 2 year bonds higher and the yield lower as a result, and the inverse that interest rates will probably exceed current levels within ten years and so there's less demand for the ten year treasury as a safe haven asset.

Hell, my calculus was that the best thing to do with a flat yield curve was to buy the 2 year even as I'm expecting a recession, I have to imagine I can't be the only one. Sure you can get higher prices for the 10 year if it actually happened, but it's just safer to cash out on the principal.

[gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12477356]

>>12477340
This is especially true because of how the trade war presented stagflation risk, making it more murky how the Fed would respond to such a situation.

[Anonymous No.12477359]

>>12477304
>>12477332
SPYD is the best dividend ETF...
But why buy a dividend ETF when you could buy BST.........

[Anonymous No.12477611]

>>12477340
I don't fuck with fixed income much but yes, inverted yield curves aren't a great signal, but they're not irrational. the market expecting volatility in the short term requires compensation, hence higher rates, but the expected long term trend anticipates low fed rates (i.e. the 10y yield that looks low today compared to the 1y or 2y will be a comparatively high yield in the future).
but like i said I don't fuck with fixed income. when fixed income is going into a portfolio I'm building, I'm purely a market price taker. equities are a different beast and I'm way more comfortable assessing their long term cash flows compared to the market than fixed income. one is a credit and macro issue and the other is more a management and business model issue. I side with the later so can't comment much more. point is, there's rationality to an inverting curve. it's just not historically a great signal for sustained macroeconomic growth.

[Anonymous No.12477626]

>>12477294
kekmao

[Anonymous No.12477652]

>>12477258
basically this. the allocation weighting between equities and fixed income is ultimately a risk profile issue, but it has been demonstrated on backtested portfolios that adding some fixed income to an otherwise all equity portfolio will generate higher risk adjusted returns.

[Anonymous No.12477720]

>>12477359
Both look pretty nice, I do have to say

[Dynashill !!z12mzVPjBfm No.12477806]

>>12477720
i've done over 500 transactions on ebay and none of my buyers have ever tried to scam me. Is my customer base of prescriotion buyers on ebay the most based buyers on the site?

[Dynashill !!z12mzVPjBfm No.12477816]

>>12477806
i didn't mean to reply to that post it was an accident

[Anonymous No.12477833]

>>12477806
Can you unironically sell me some shit? Link plz

[Anonymous No.12477850]

>>12477806
What do you sell? I would no joke buy something ~$20 from an /smg/ fren to support your business

[Anonymous No.12477855]

>>12477850
dox alert

[Dynashill !!z12mzVPjBfm No.12477866]

>>12477850
95% of my buyers are female males don't use what i sell my very. also no.

[Dynashill !!z12mzVPjBfm No.12477872]

>>12477866
why am i so retarded and illiterate.

[Anonymous No.12477883]

>>12477866
female males kek

[Anonymous No.12477936]

15k to invest, where to?

[gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12477949]

So I just found out something extraordinary today. I've been puzzling over why the rate of profit never recovered from the crisis in the 70s when capital productivity was going down. Well apparently, both surplus value AND capital productivity has been increasing. Meaning there should be a corresponding increase in in the rate of profit.

The question is, where's the money all gone. The answer: supervisory workers. CEOs, Execs and managers. They're imposing a level of rent unseen in the history of capitalism. Which means they're also fleecing you lot, the retail investor.


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46513411_Aggregate_capital_productivity_in_the_US_economy_1964--2001

[Anonymous No.12477957]

>>12477866
Dude are you selling HRT?

[Anonymous No.12477968]

>>12477936
VKTX's 12 month target price is ~$43, easy 5x

[Dynashill !!z12mzVPjBfm No.12477979]

>>12477957
no. but I could get hrt and sell it on ebay if I wanted to.

[gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12477982]

>>12477979
dildos then

[Anonymous No.12478047]

IMMU DIDN'T GET APPROVAL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.12478072]

>>12477949
you need to define capital productivity here. does it include all costs, like personnel, or just fixed and inanimate costs like machinery?
also, yes, ceo pay has become competitive, which has resulted in sequential compensation hikes YoY. but free cash flow measures all of that before that expense. similarly, if debt has increased in the cap tables of these corporations, we'd expect interest expense to increase as well. you're compensating management for their performance along the way. and all of that regardless, securities are priced based on future cash flows. historical pricing efficiency and cost reduction is exactly that, historical. so it should've been reflected in past pricing, not necessarily today. and I don't think anyone would disagree that capital and costs are becoming more efficient with time... that's a natural result of increased information and it's increased transmission efficiency

[Anonymous No.12478073]

>>12477949
How were you not already aware of that? Every roseposter harps on and on and on about that nonstop. You're not wrong, but I suspect you're already familiar with these statistics and fishing for political sympathy

[gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12478125]

>>12478072
Capital productivity is specifically referring to all non labor costs, I believe.

>CEO pay has become competitive.
CEO and management pay is competitive. They are performing a service like any other worker but they're being compensated according to how much rent they can extract on profits not according to how much their skills are actually worth. Please note that this paper is specifically counting the labor income for supervisory workers, so the stock benefits packages awarded to CEOs aren't being counted here, those are a part of the profit share.

Also, no, capital costs decreasing as a whole for a firm isn't normal. As more labor saving technology is introduced it generally requires greater and greater amounts of capital to produce competitively in an industry.

>>12478073
While I was aware CEO and exec pay was absurd, I didn't think it approached the level of taking all the gains of cheap third world labor and cheaper technologies. I was under the impression that these factors were balanced out by a still declining capital productivity.

[Anonymous No.12478131]

maybe /SMG/ need a reminder, but there's only three ways to get capital out of a business
1. a distribution where you get back what you already put in with no generated returning
2. a distribution where you get excess cash that can't be put to good use (dividends)
3. a sale of the shares (ownership stake)

I mean, take your pick. fwiw, imhi, if you're picking individual stocks instead of holding a low fee, low turnover diversified index fund for 4+ decades like a smart retail investor, why would you limit yout picks to pure capital appreciation only? considering any company can give you your cash back... without a return... and arguably all good appreciate in value... but only some pay dividends that actually are giving returns back to you... why limit yourself to owning securities that are all high-growth, no-dividend? it's unnecessarily risky to only invest in securities which pay back to you only through price appreciation... imo. do what you will.

[Dynashill !!z12mzVPjBfm No.12478141]

people who like qbak should also like link. link has only 1,050,000 shares in the public float and the ceo owns like 80%

[Anonymous No.12478158]

>>12478125
>They are performing a service like any other worker but they're being compensated according to how much rent they can extract on profits not according to how much their skills are actually worth.
well, agree to disagree. upper management ain't of the stupid sort. all of their compensation is approved by the board and shareholders. we can argue whether some of these governance mechanisms are effective or not, but that's a separate issue imo. it ain't rent seeking in the traditional sense

[Anonymous No.12478195]

Bizbros I need help. Do I pay off my mortgage in two years or invest that 100k into the stock market long term? What is the better return? I can't figure it out. "Free" rent with less savings or major early investment?

[Anonymous No.12478210]

>>12478195
DEFINITELY mortgage
Anon this isn't hard, getting out of debt is incredibly important if you want to make it

[Anonymous No.12478233]

>>12478210
I know, BUT average return on SPY is what 7%? And the mortgage is 4%. See what I'm saying? Are you still right?

[Dynashill !!z12mzVPjBfm No.12478237]

guys i frontloaded link. now lets get some hype for this thing. please clap

[Anonymous No.12478249]

>>12478131
>why limit yourself to owning securities that are all high-growth, no-dividend? it's unnecessarily risky to only invest in securities which pay back to you only through price appreciation... imo. do what you will.

Hold period is a factor. If you're a day or swing trader you want to have as much cash available for your trades as possible. However, once you've reached a certain amount of capital it does make more sense to have a portion devoted to long term value stocks/etfs. Dividends aren't helpful if you start out with 5k or something and then put, i dunno, 2500 in value stocks. That'll get you nowhere.

>holding a low fee, low turnover diversified index fund for 4+ decades

This is excruciatingly slow and not palatable to people in their 20's or even 30's trying to get somewhere in a reasonable period of time. Not when wages are stagnant and career viable job opportunities are slim. Boomer investing is for people who already have a decently high paying job or a large stack to begin with.

[Anonymous No.12478258]

>>12478195
mortgage first. yes, the stock market has higher returns then your rate but with that comes risk. pay off your mortgage and then go into the stock market, since you'll be in a better position to take on that risk. with the mortgage outstanding you likely have a negative net worth, make that positive then take on market risk if you're comfortable with it

[Anonymous No.12478276]

How will this government shut down affect the stock market

[Anonymous No.12478289]

>>12478237
*clap* *clap* based idea dynashill i will invest in link first thing in the morning. thank you good sir. you are too kind.

[Anonymous No.12478304]

>>12478249
hey, you can yolo all you want. enjoy.
i'm just telling you what's the empirical, statistically significant, peer reviewed method for growing wealth. long time horizons with low-fee, low-turnover diversified index funds. that's it, and anyone selling otherwise isn't articulating the added risk you're assuming with their strategies or they're making money off you. but do what you want. these kinds of index funds didn't exist back when boomers started investing.
i swear, no more than 3 people on any given day here know more than absolute shit about capital markets

[Anonymous No.12478327]

>This is excruciatingly slow and not palatable to people in their 20's or even 30's trying to get somewhere in a reasonable period of time.

oh, and go take the cfa or cfp... this is literally the advice that fiduciaries would give you. what you're asking for is outsized returns or long-term returns on a short-horizon. that doesn't exist, and if it did, it's already been arbitraged away. the returns you want can only be achieved by taking on more risk than you should at your net worth. that mentality is gambling, not investing

[Anonymous No.12478335]

>>12478233
Yikes, you need to plug that mortgage payment into an excel spreadsheet and see how much you're actually paying
How did you get a bank to loan you money being this foolish

[Anonymous No.12478354]

>>12478335
Can you elaborate? I have the schedule for thirty years amortized.

[Anonymous No.12478368]

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NEW BREAD BEFORE BED
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[Anonymous No.12478510]

>>12475867
Short that shit

[Anonymous No.12478586]

>>12478195
Invest. The real value of your mortgage will decline over time with inflation while your investments grow.

[Anonymous No.12479714]

>>12477866
be careful senpai
i wouldnt talk too much about this here