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bear betrayal edition

>I'm new to the stock market, what stocks should I buy?
Before you buy anything, make a brokerage account and read investopedia articles and/or the books in the OP list. If you don't have a broker, you can't buy stocks, Naruto is a pleb tier entry level shounen, and if you blindly buy things without understanding how the stock market works or doing any research on the individual stocks you're buying, you will lose money and it will be entirely your fault.

List of popular brokers:

List of basic stock market terminology for newfags:

Real-time market news:

Educational sites:

Free in depth technical analysis charts:

Premarket Data:

Earnings Report Calendars:

Pump and Dump Advertising:

S&P 500 VIX Futures (For SVXY/UVXY, higher is better for UVXY, lower is better for SVXY)

Basic rundown on lean hogs:

Suggested books:

Small spec bears who are currently on suicide watch: >>12356901

>> No.12361936

Holy shit we're back!

>> No.12361950

These threads just get gayer over time.

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>> No.12361986

Nikkei 225 up 3.36%

Been holding AMRS since 3.40s

>> No.12362004

Where can I find prison stocks to buy?

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>> No.12362053

wonder what the biggest miss on earnings will be this go around

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based and gaypilled

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Bull City

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I hope all my SMG frens are having a good day today

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am guess either LCI, GALT, or Deans Foods

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wow 2541 and 6465 defended... for now -_-;
but they having hard time

looking very weak only matter of time until they fail

>> No.12362260

I hope RH unlocks my deposits before open tomorrow. The $1,000 instant really sucks. Do they usually unlock ACH early on the estimated dates?

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fuck you to the faggot that told me to buy MNGA

>> No.12362286

Nobody made you push the button kid

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>He fell for the MNGA meme.
How much are you down? You could always sell it and get into HMNY.

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>> No.12362310

I'm down 5k
HMNY? I might look into it..

>> No.12362326

Don't look into HMNY. I was fucking with you.

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Rate my portfolio and cost average Biz

LCI - $5.45
GALT - $3.40
AMRS - $3.42
NBEV - $3.92
TQQQ - $33.40
DFEN - $25
MU - $29.47
ACB - $5.22
FNGU - $24.64
CRSP - $27
SFTBY - 32.44
T - $28.60
VUZI - $5.80
PAAS - $14.73

>> No.12362346

dude it's .2 cents!
I can't lose!

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Considering they are bankrupt, I'm sure you can lose. Look into NXAV if they drop below $2. If the meeting @ JP Morgan goes good this week it might jump a lot. It's not a for sure thing but the upside is there. Bio is always risky.

>> No.12362393

Does anyone here play offworld trading company? I find it to be a nice business-sim game, although I'd like to find a game that simulated the market in fast time so I could RP as a super cool trading firm.

>> No.12362397

naaaah, I think I'm gonna try my luck with HMNY
Let's see if I buy 50k shares and it moves just two cents I can make a couple of thousand off a tiny move.

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haha remember this anon?

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LINK solves the circuit breakers problem. GOLDEN BULL RUN INCOMING.

>> No.12362422

I wish I had NBEV at that price and sold when it was almost at 7.00. Now I'm too scared thinking I missed the big pump

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he was right, imagine falling for the bull trap, you bullniggers have had your fun for years, just let us bears have some fun for once

>> No.12362437

>betting against 10 years of blockchain success.

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It's not even supported on RH

>> No.12362449

I sold half my stack at 6.80 and have been holding the rest. Not a huge fan of the CEO - he has a habit of making a lot of promises and under delivering. Also in the strange habit of buying up smaller under performing companies that have a lot of debt which haven’t worked out in the past

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circuit breakers are meme no one really thinks theyll hit

>> No.12362466
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haha remember this anon?

>> No.12362474

>posting crypto on the stock market general

fuck off, nobody cares

>> No.12362483
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>iron hands

>> No.12362490

me and that guy only share one stock (galt) and i've already made a money just by averaging down and the stock will continue to go up either way. Doesn't matter though since the guy i'm replying to gave out shit advice then made fun of someone who listened to his shit advice.

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Is ACB worth owning guys?

>> No.12362498

The government is not about to relax the restrictions of CBD based products so that's hurting them. Then you got the debt. So lack of profit + debt means that they are deep in red ink with very limited path to reduce it. The only thing that's keeping the stock afloat is hype

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Asia was up bigly to start the day and are coming down a bit now. Same with futures it seems.

>> No.12362504

FAANG stocks are safe

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>shitposting is the same as having your mother sell out her 401k
Circuit breakers this week

>> No.12362523

I had ACB eariler in the week and then sold it after the AAPL ordeal. I just thought that tech was going to bounce back the next day and would return more money. I think if I was going to get into weed stocks again I would just go the ETF route. I do think ACB is decent though.

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imagine letting your puny female emotions control you so much that you genuinely thought it was a bear market

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Who owns CGA? Shit will spike when trade war ends

>> No.12362530

Yeah, but that stupid fuck was listening to people like you hyping up "The worst thing since 2008" on here the last few weeks.

>> No.12362543

he wasn't necessarily stupid, he just lost control of his emotions and couldn't assess the situation logically
hopefully this will be a lesson for him not to let his emotions override his logical thinking, and his mother will be able to make that money back in the market in time

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I am trying to figure out what weed stock to go all in on.

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>blaming anons for your mother selling $500,000 in index funds
This week will literally be worse than the great depression

>> No.12362554

These types of situations are handled by not listening to other people and controlling your emotions. At least not taking what they say as word.
why are you such a nigger man?

>> No.12362563

Not sure on this but would looking into times when weed is getting voted on for states work? I wonder if it has an effect on prices. Might be something to look into.

>> No.12362572

futures are coming down off the highs, at this rate we'll open down like 5.5% some one prop them back up please. thank you

>> No.12362576

based Comfy

>> No.12362577

I’m less into day swing trading - willing to hold for months to a year if need be

I want major gains not skins

>> No.12362580

AMRN - Buy now! Reap loads of Profit later. Has a price target of $30+.

The only question is from which way will the Profit load come; via drug sales or via a big fat buyout offer. Either way stockholders win.
Jump onboard the Mega Profit Train today and relax during the ride

>> No.12362581

United States Steel (x) pumped hard since Trump has been talking about the wall being steel. Seems risky as who the fuck knows anything about the meme wall.

>> No.12362584

I have 75 shares are 3.42 will I make it?

>> No.12362585

Futures started falling down right after Asian markets starting to decline from their open.

>> No.12362596

That seems to be the way to go and it feels like it is a matter of time before most states are at least medical.

>> No.12362600

NJ and NY will have legal weed by EOY

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position trading is the most based trading strategy

>> No.12362606

Looking at the AMRN chart that is big no from me. How the fuck did it get that red on a ~750 point green day?

>> No.12362609

Not bad; 75 x $30 = 2,250 profit. v.s your original investment of $256.

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You trying to fool me? Tomorrow begins the Facemelter rally

>> No.12362626

Lack of new info. plus the FDA is dragging it's ass with the approval. Once they green light it this sucker will fly.

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Who is playing VUZI during CES?

>> No.12362644

I was thinking the same thing - I should probably take the rest of my profits

>> No.12362647
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So this orange line is what happens if you keep your money in cash instead of bonds. Inflation bites pretty hard sometimes.

Also an addendum to my previous post. Those average returns are actually not adjusted for inflation.
Here are the annual, average inflation adjusted returns properly
For switching to bonds in a yield curve inversion:
For switching to cash in a yield curve inversion:
For simply staying in stocks while reinvesting dividends
For staying in bonds while reinvesting interest

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The blades go on sale soon $1k for these

>> No.12362665

But this shows that cash is the second best option and has next to zero risk. Unless I'm reading the chart wrong.

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Do you want me to have compassion?

>> No.12362682

Cash is a pretty good option to switch to when we're late cycle, but it's also only the second option I've checked. I might look at gold prices if I can download the historical data for this whole period.

Also keep in mind, just regular dividend reinvesting did beat holding cash after the inversion from the mid 80s to 2000.

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kek the spike got dumpened on
we only 8 points from 2532, if we go under that we going back below 2500

hardly bullish ATM

>> No.12362713

>still posts guro
>too much of a pussy to watch Cannibal Holocaust
RKG why are you a closet normie?

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was just giving you hard time because it was past bedtime X_X

of course have seen Cannibal Holocaust before, its classic gurokino

>> No.12362796

>we only 8 points from 2532, if we go under that we going back below 2500

what reason do you have to believe this

>> No.12362825
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that tone
We're never going under 2500 again
257 this month

>> No.12362835

i was so cocked i have no clue what that movie was even about

>> No.12362874

>students go to jungle to film native tribe
>students go missing
>rescue team goes to look for students
>finds out students are dead and recovers their films
>the films show footage of the students killing the tribes' pigs, burning their huts down, raping their women, and shooting tribesman, followed by the students getting brutally murdered by the tribesmen in retaliation
>the fact that the students actually deserved it was a surprise twist
>the movie ends

>> No.12362894

it shows real animals dying... it is evil. film director and all actors should be jailed for life.

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there strong buyer @ 32 half month ago
that was only strong buyer above 2500 we really seen

if 2532 overwhelmed then theres no real net until 2520, and there strong seller at 2520, so well just keep crashing again

>when 257 is your goal
how the mighty have fallen

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been busy for a few days, come back, and now everyone's bullish? explain yourselves

>> No.12362978

>Trade deal progressing.
>Dovish fed.
>Market oversold.
>No yield curve inversion.
>No recession indicators.
>Already fell -20%. Not much more room to fall.

Better question is why would you be bearish? All time highs by EOY.

>> No.12362997

what reason is there to not be bullish

I think I get how your approach works now
It involves looking at what orders go through and what orders are placed and using that to identify daily support and resistance levels/predict price action to some degree

>> No.12363010

futures keep falling, i'm going to wake up fucking pissed off because we're red, then im going to choose not to sell and we'll get a no deal with china, and tuesday it'll be even more red, and i'll be really pissed off.

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(jk thats basically it, theres also observing how the orders were filled, what poofers are doing, ect)

>> No.12363016

Asian exchanges are green right now

>> No.12363037

its only going down because you keep looking at it

>> No.12363043

The yield curve inverted from 1 year to 7 years, I believe and regulations since the 2008 crisis may have effected its predictive power either in favor of inversion or vice versa, the Fed is still going to raise rates once or twice next year if there's not a recession first, a tighter job market means lower profits and possibly higher inflation which will encourage the Fed, leverage has been increasing and big banks are proceeding with derisking that will eventually cut off liquidity, and retained earnings on durable good manufacturing have been stagnant for a while now, which happened before the last two recessions.

>> No.12363052

does this work the same if you put your money into bond ETF's?

whats the result if you change the holding period from 3 years to 5 or 1?

>> No.12363088

I was bullish on Thursday when bears couldn't use the Apple thing to set a meaningful new low. Extra bullish on Friday when Nasdaq 100 and S&P broke above first resistance levels, and above short term falling trend, AND both completed bullish MACD cross on daily chart. My target for the S&P on this leg up is $2700-ish. If that resistance breaks, new ATH coming in a couple months thereafter.

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Well I don't have the data to test the bond ETFs, but these generally perform well in recessions. I'm invested in TGLMX atm, which is a bond mutual fund and it got 12.5% average nominal returns from early 2009 to late 2012. I think you might actually get better returns with a govt bond etf or mutual fund than just holding the bonds themselves, which also has the added benefit of better liquidity.

Here's the graph for the 1 year holding period, it's much less impressive since it can sometimes take 1 year from the yield curve inversion to the start of a recession. The average real return for switching to bonds after an inversion here is 1.3%.

>> No.12363131

seems like a well thought out approach
the approach that led to me buying GALT and VTGN was

>find biotech stock
>do research on what the drugs the company is making actually do, how well they're performing in clinical trials, and any scientific literature I can find on how effective drugs like them are
>if they're good, make sure the company isn't about to dilute
>keep track of upcoming catalysts
>buy in before it goes up on good news and short term traders start to buy in
>hodl and average down until bull thesis is compromised (bad study results)
>expect volatility and don't panic over short term price action

in the future, I'm planning on using TA to refine entry points (Ichimoku, MACD, and RSI), buying into utility and consumer staple stocks as well as biotech, and learning how to gauge a company's financial health and the stock's current valuation by looking at things like SEC filings and P/E ratios

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whew massive seller @ 2537
we going down for sure

>> No.12363153
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Here's the graph for 5 years, better than 1 but not as good as 3. Here the average real return is 2.1% due to the stock market recovering close to the prices at the yield curve inversion. Cash also suffers much more if you extend the holding period due to inflation.

>> No.12363165

average down only if the price goes below my average share price and I have the money available to do so, that is

>> No.12363173

obviously, it's not averaging down if the price isn't below your average share price
you get what I mean, I'm pretty sure

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surely you're joking

never mind end me

>> No.12363192

>Is ACB worth owning guys?

It hasn't broken bullish yet, if that's what you're asking. Also advise caution the day before and the day of Aphria earnings on Jan 11th. Those are the first big LP earnings post-legal recreational sales. If those are bad, Canadian dude weed could continue bearish.

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Thats it?

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this am all newbie stuff, and quant computers do it better than humans
and now with pred algos, stuff like PE and SEC filings are dangerous

also Itchi clouds are good, but have huge dangers
look what happened to this recent Inchi TA

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More like

>> No.12363226
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> war
> end

>> No.12363234
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Actually it was 800k

>> No.12363270

I'm planning on sticking with my long term hodl/position trading approach, and only really using TA to better tell when a good time to open a long position is
Regardless of technicals, fundamentals (science n sheeit, business model, competitive advantage, financial health, etc) will always be what prompts me to actually make a decision to buy or not

I might dick around with daytrading stuff like TVIX and SQQQ when the market is looking bad and I have the money available, tho

>> No.12363286

Selling literally 4 days before the absolute bottom. That's gonna be a YIKKEEEEEEEESSSS from me dawg. How many times do we have to tell you not to buy high and sell low until you people understand.

>> No.12363367

>learning how to gauge a company's financial health and the stock's current valuation by looking at things like SEC filings
this is by far the first and best thing you should be doing if you're investing in equities other than index funds
leverage, net working capital, credit rating and liquidity ratios are quickest check for healthly capital structure. future earnings guidance and markets expectation of future earnings is quickest check for healthy business model.
true valuations basically require doing a discounted cash flow - using wacc or apv or whatever depending on whether you expect the firm's capital structure to change over time
afaic it's gambling without reading the latest 10-ks, 10-qs, earnings releases, earnings call transcripts, and investor/conference presentations. daily news and sentiment changes price but all of that is already built on valuations from a firm's public disclosures.
this is a TA board so I don't expect anyone here to actually be doing any of this, but it's literally what analysts do. if you can't do it or at least approach it, you can't understand why the market is pricing equity securities the way they are, which means your can't tell whether a firm is under or overvalued. it's all math at the end if the day - not TA math, but future earnings expectations, the free cash flow that generates, and those values discounted back to the present time with consideration for the number of shares that valuation is composed of. only way you can understand pricing, period. ev/ebitda multiples and the like are quick proxies for valuation, but only work between truly comparable firms and tare used for m&a / deal ranges way way more than for actual valuations. cash is king, so dcfs are used ubiquitously

>> No.12363372


To be fair to anon, if his mother got out 3 months ago it would have been the top.

You also don't know December was the bottom.

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well, just to give you me hardfaught daytrader line

trading methodologies are all bullpoopy.
Itchi Clouds will probably be the best method for you as beginner, to use as a pure method.

for example, letting your Kijun Sen dictate entries. Letting your Kijen-san define your stops, your tenken-san where to take profits
Clouds are a trading system that has 50+ ways to apprach how you handle your money inside of it.

its very very effective as a menthol that captains your trade.But its NOT PREDICTIVE. ITS ONLY A SYSTEM.
you mechanically have to recognize when a lagging span meets the kumo, and initate the protocol you have predefined.
me method of watching order flow, how market reacts of bids and offers. Its the most pure way of interacting with Price. All other information is redundant and useless compared for a keen observation of Orderflow.

>> No.12363483

How many drugs are you on? Seriously

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all of them

>> No.12363567

newfag passive investor here id like to add some mj industry exposure to my portfolio, thoughts on purchasing HMMJ ETF vs just WEED?

>> No.12363680

going to bed now, but I wanted to say thanks for taking the time to write those posts out before I do

>> No.12363801

>HMMJ ETF vs just WEED?

Both of those are somewhat questionable at the moment due to the uh, confused, rollout of recreational sales in Canada since October. My concern is that sales numbers will fall short of expectations due to all the fubar and snafu the various provincial governments caused; supply shortage, bottlenecks at retail due to supply shortage and limited or zero choice for retailer to use. Ontario sales are through their single provincial website only. No additional websites (for recreational) permitted and no brick n' mortar shops open until April 2019. Other provinces have similar problems. Alberta was the only one to get it half ass right from the get-go and even they suffered due to supply shortage.

You may wish to wait until Aphria release their financials on January 11th. If those are bad, investors will assume all the big Canadian LPs are going to be bad and dump like crazy. I am currently holding a swing position in Canopy Growth but plan to sell it prior to the 11th to reduce my exposure to that possibility.

As for whether WEED or HMMJ is the better option, it depends on whether you're okay with HMMJ's holdings and ratios. They include only tangentially weed related companies like Scott's Miracle Grow and GW Pharma. Also exposure to Tilray, which you may or may not want.

My suggestion for low risk entry in to the Canadian weed sector is to wait until Aphria's earning call. See how the sector reacts the following day, then make a decision.

The real money and bubble hype has already moved to the US. Many of these are penny stocks still and carry high risk.

>> No.12363820

Aka the /smg/ etf

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>Aka the /smg/ etf

Someone actually put one together a couple weeks ago on a 'first ten stocks posted' basis. My suggestion of Tetra BioPharma is up around 30% since then so I'm pretty happy I made a good addition to it. For now. It could dump at any time on the faintest whiff of bad news. Or just dump because it feels like it. It's a penny stock AND a bio pharma meme AND a weed related bio pharma meme.

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>> No.12363878

WEED is great. Fuck hmmj, too many insvent companies

>> No.12363879

What am I looking at here?

>> No.12363883

Ichi is the patrician indicator

>> No.12363891


I tend to agree. Seems to me the only Canadian based companies potentially worth your money are the two with serious big alcohol and big tobacco backing: Canopy Growth and CRON.

>> No.12364191

I give up on investing, I need a real job. I really want Lasik.

>> No.12364488

fuck yanks I hope the crash crashes so hard they all just kill themselves in a last ditch effort to regain their honour

>> No.12364520
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Guys I'm starting to go down the LCI rabbithole.

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Iktf, but it's hard to find a job when local job market is shit

But thanks to PDT laws I can't trade for a living...

It might be too late, who knows

Probably better to wait for a dip to load up

>> No.12364550

Job markets are apparently designed to fuck me.
I would have 100K right now if I didn't go to college. I'd still be working at Taco Bell either way, but at least I'd have 100K.

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Lads I need a red day

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I feel more secure about it's prospects than I do the rest of my individual company stocks.

>> No.12364746

Europe seems to be acting on the crashing futures, i guess we have to wait for US industry numbers to know if it will be a green day.

>> No.12364777

Whats your opinions on DB or Deutsche Bank

>> No.12364786

can we seriously get this yoyo bullshit to fuck thanks. Can the swings not last just 2 days at least?

>> No.12364802

Stay the fuck away from them, unless you enjoy not sleeping at night.

>> No.12364803

well, maybe you bulls should just give up
we can all profit in the long term if you just... open your arse without a fight

>> No.12364806

I'm long term bearish and 90+% cash, I've got some degenerate gambles/penny stocks that I want to profit off

>> No.12364838


You did it to yourself

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>SQQQ is rising premarket
>TVIX is rising premarket


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Not every doubt me again

>> No.12364882

>put a stop market on SQQQ at 16, just in case
>it falls to 16 and sells on Friday
>it used to be up at 20 and might rise again
I fucking hate the stock market.

>> No.12364884

Everything is rising premarket today impatient buyers fomoing after sitting out Friday and feeling anxious they might miss the rebound? Are we are getting another dump soonish, or contuing rise the whole day like Friday?

>> No.12364901

Shits dipping at a very slow rate desu i expect today to be un-eventful as fuck

>> No.12364932

>-3% day today again lad

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we get US industry order intake + UK parl debate on brexit vote beginning today tho, i think friday was ebic bulltrap

>> No.12364942

Well premarket looks dull, Guess we shall see in a few hours
Goodluck bear.

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>Goodluck bear
Thanks, i need it. I will probs be rekt by industry numbers, but hard brexit is starting to look like a done deal.

>> No.12365010

how long till you get itunes on android

>> No.12365028

Any good tutorials online that can explain in depth what the thinkorswim buttons, layouts and options do? Everyone I've seen just gloss over 90% of things without explanation. I just started an account and want to get into day trading, any advice on that as well? I know it's volatile and I know it's harsh but I want to learn and there's not really any from 0 knowledge guides out there. Thanks

>> No.12365037

Why would anyone want this?

>> No.12365046

Don't day trade with TDAmeritrade/ToS. You need decent commissions for that.

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excuse me newfag here, I tried starting an account on Robin Hood but it needs my address and state, and I don't live in the US (i'm in Libya). what do?

>> No.12365080

use a libyan broker you nonce

>> No.12365110

i don't think there is any.

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McDonalds won't go up again will it? There's no way it can.

>> No.12365137

What would you suggest then? I don't really know any other good platforms. And I know TDA start you off at like $6.90 or so but you can get it lowered if you make enough trades

>> No.12365164

ayyy they went with the green eye sharingay that was my idea

>> No.12365210

Is your 'dividend' reinvesting just the SP500 plus dividends?Its not an overly useful point because US stocks pay rubbish dividends. It would be more interesting if you took the top dividend stocks of the SP500 and calculated their compounding returns.

Also, the return of inversion reinvestment might be higher than staying in one security or diversification, but it relied upon you switching your assets which is going to trigger fees and tax which I would hazard would chew the hell out of your gains.

>> No.12365220

Fuck this gay market, and fuck the Jews who run it.

>> No.12365232


To be fair, timing SQQQ in the last month was tricky as fuck. My average was 13, and I sold at 19.30 on the 21st. I was kicking myself when it went up to like 21.70 or something the next day.

You'll get another chance. Start cost averaging at below 15.

>> No.12365394

SELL GCG9 at 1294.0 – 1294.5|
SL 1307.5
TP1 1277.5
TP2 1260.5

Risk $1350 - 1 Contract

Leave it or take it

>> No.12365408

Yes it would be ideal to get dividend stock data but I dont think theres an easy way to get it for this whole time period.

And yeah, selling will trigger fees and taxes but keep in mind this graph is logarithmicly scaled, the inflation adjusted return is actually 5 TIMES HIGHER for doing this over just reinvesting dividends in an index fund which more than makes up for a capital gains tax of 20% in nominal terms. Regardless, it's still a lot less fees than making anywhere near this amount of money while day trading.

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all in

>> No.12365458

Aggregated retails sales in a consumer driven economy. People spend = good.

>> No.12365501
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CGA. China Green Agriculture??

>> No.12365529

bulls btfo

>> No.12365546

Thanks for posting this data, this is cosy.
Have you considered doing one for Tobin's Q? Buying when low and selling when high, I'll leave that up to you to decide but probably 1.0 as cutoff.
Then see how it performs compared to the S&P

>> No.12365576

lets hope our penny shitter moons lad

>> No.12365598


>rising interest rates
>high levels of corporate debt
>high levels of consumer debt
>EPS growth has been funded by debt-financed share buybacks

Lots of reasons to be bearish if you look deep enough.

>> No.12365600


>> No.12365653

Glad I’m not the only one balls deep here

>> No.12365657

Its do or die

>> No.12365661

what did you buy in at?

>> No.12365668

If by balls deep you mean ~£80 with a super tight stop loss, sure.

>> No.12365688

HCLP suspends distribution, sales down 30%. I hope that tripfag sold on Friday.

>> No.12365693

.50 is my average

>> No.12365694


>> No.12365698

>that Id

is that you martin?

>> No.12365708

what happens if I buy a deutsche bank etf and they go bankrupt. I lose all my money right?

>> No.12365717

an american man right here

>> No.12365718

Yeah posting from my prison butt-phone.

>> No.12365730


Not in an ETF, no. ETF funds are separate from the assets of the bank.

If you buy an ETN, then you’re pretty much screwed.

>> No.12365732


What makes CGA remarkable? I don't see much about it in 4chan archives except for the occasional no-info post.

>> No.12365733

my previous posts should have given you a clue

>> No.12365734

An ETF operated by Deutsche Bank? It could be partially liquidated so you'd not lose all your money, just most of it.
Or it gets ownership transferred when DB gets tied to another bank by the government, either it will lose value as people sell

>> No.12365740

I don't even know what they do I'm just swinging them

>> No.12365766

China has been buying up American farmland left and right to feed their population - this is not sustainable. Eventually China will need to get handle on their pollution and start growing more of their own food - this is where CGA comes in.

For me it’s a long term hold.

>> No.12365767

Enter SHORT now!
STP 1307.5
1 Contract

>> No.12365768

anyone been following the DAX over the past year?

canadian here with no real skin in the game outside north american markets but that thing seems fucked, at least judging by the surface of the past year's performance

>> No.12365771

Classic /smg/. Someone is just trying to start a pump and dump on a shitty penny stock with no volume.

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>I don't even know what they do I'm just swinging them

I honestly don't know what I expected when I asked the question.

>> No.12365801

I'm not trying to start anything I've consistently said I'm almost all cash with a hand full of degenerate shit

>> No.12365814
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How do I short the milky way?

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Here's to hoping AMD can keep some momentum for my call i held over the weekend

>> No.12365818

Jesus fucking Christ why did I sell ROKU. this stock is going up like crazy still.

>> No.12365824

I'm not talking about you specifically, I'm talking about the guy who keeps shilling it.

>> No.12365826

lets hope our penny shitter moons lad

>> No.12365849

Which one is that? NVAX ?

>> No.12365862

That opening bell soon

>> No.12365864

Today is a good chance for bulls to exit. We will see spy 200 by March. Tuesday will begin a precipitous drop to previous lows early next week followed by a bounce at the beginning of Feb. Then a death spiral until March. Retail capitulates mid Feb. Watch headlines. Everyone will believe it's another 2008 but it's not. ATH EOY regardless.

>> No.12365867

some chink got it through inheritance and spams it here for no reason. their website is in engrish, shit company guaranteed

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Based. What are your other degenerate picks?

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im hold qqq calls expiring friday

how fucked am i

>> No.12365876

I'm sure mango man and the chinks will come out with some fud before the end of tuesday

>> No.12365882

What time is the meeting today?

>> No.12365885

you're not fucked. sell your call for call with longer expiration.

>> No.12365887

No idea, I'm in meetings most of the day so I've just checked out of the market for today.

>> No.12365890

just AMD and NIO. I also had a euro leveraged inverse SPX and only just managed to get out of that even.

>> No.12365894

If mango man cant art of the deal with daddy xi. Shit will get so bad that pajeets will invest in toilets

>> No.12365901
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good morning fellow anons

>> No.12365906

Its do or die

>> No.12365909
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>Today is a good chance for bears to exit. We will see spy 300 by March. Tuesday will begin a precipitous rise to previous highs early next week followed by a drop at the beginning of Feb. Then a euphoric pump until March. Retail overbuys mid Feb. Watch headlines. Everyone will believe it's another 2017 but it's not. ATL EOY regardless.

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>> No.12365913

It's worth noting that it's $6.95 both ways--or $13.9 to open and close a position. Day trading with those commissions is just churning money for your broker.

Personally, I use tastyworks which is regulatory fees per trade (usually like $0.10 or so) + $1/contract options trade flat rate ($10 max per leg) to open, $5 flat rate stock trades to open, then $0 to close trades (plus regulatory/clearing fees).

>> No.12365916

people like you are gonna get btfo by the banks.

>> No.12365918

I'm going to sit and watch for the 1st couple hours or so. Making moves on open seems like a good way to burn money.

>> No.12365921

Her panties is to the side a bit. Is she on a dick?

>> No.12365922
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No, there is no fuckery here.

>> No.12365930

Does RH warn you if you try to make the 4th trade? I'm there as well and don't want to forget and fuck myself.

>> No.12365932

She just needed to air it out a bit

>> No.12365936

Is there a "dont shill your stock "edition of smg ? Or only hypocrit "only my stock can be shilled"

>> No.12365945
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we would never shill shitty stocks here, anon

>> No.12365948

Felt good about the premarket data yesterday, it it’s been coming back in. We looking at another bull day like Friday, or do bears have any plans?

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>> No.12365953

Alright almost made me capitulate

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That was my plan Friday and I got fucked.

>> No.12365964

Friday I went in on AMD stock and calls but only because futures were so up. Not sure what will happen today after that Friday and futures are sideways.

>> No.12365971

this general is like a medieval city full of paupers trying to shill you their literal bags of shit.
>please sir, please, I know it looks like a bag of shit but this bag has magical properties!
>In the third phase of the blue moon, this very week if my Callander are to be trusted, LCI will hit the teens sir.
>Won't you look foolish then, when you're the only one without"

>> No.12365973


Futures came back in. They were up almost 300 yesterday.

>> No.12365990

have you seen EvE online?

>> No.12366007

How long until the Trump/China meeting?

>> No.12366016

I think we'll get news like 4-6am tomorrow.

>> No.12366017

Is reading Bloomberg and trying to catch their signal worth it?

>> No.12366018

Can you post your chart you're looking at?

>> No.12366037
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bullish bias

>> No.12366066

the x series (x3/x4) are pretty much space trading simulators

>> No.12366073

>catch their signal
what do you mean?

>> No.12366080

All of their articles are written to further Bloomberg's goals. Investing with Bloomberg will give you an edge as that Bloomberg is a powerful institution with access to a lot of information.

>> No.12366089

using mental conditioning to filter out the MKULTRA spyops mind melder frequencies and demodulate the true signal from the carrier wave.

>> No.12366093

oh i see, you're going to read between the lines and figure out the secret jew plans. sure go for it.

>> No.12366099
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if they had information that is profitable to them, why would they share it with you, instead of profiting off of it themselves?

basically every single MMO auction house works like this

>he didnt learn about the economy from burning crusade auction house scalping

>> No.12366100

This too.

>> No.12366122

Isn't this baiscally what the sentiment investing is?
But they profit more by having more money in it. They are fishing for the long-term profit that feeds their institution and making it bigger.

>> No.12366133

I just started playing The Guild II: Renaissance. It seems really good as a feudalism simulator; you start and manage businesses and engage in various kinds of chicanery to gain political influence. It's an interesting combination of a business/economy management game and an RPG.

>> No.12366138

Watching UGAZ makes me sad

>> No.12366156

>absolute bottom
We arent anywhere near the bottom. We're going to be trading sideways for a while and we'll resume hard crashing once China trade deal falls through, Apple announces bad Q1 results, and the next wave of rate hikes come in. We wont resume a proper bull market until 2020 at the earliest, and even thats optimistic.

>> No.12366168

that would be perfect. I would rather be contributing every paycheck for a couple years in that scenario than contributing as shit moons and then when all my money is in, the crash comes.

>> No.12366182

They're on sale now with 4-6 weeks delivery. I'm guessing they make them in Rochester when you order. Waiting on mine right now

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>> No.12366202


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>> No.12366223

I'd make moves on how you think the trade talk goes.

>> No.12366237
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So I decided to model in capital gains tax, using a conservative average of 25% for each time you sell in order to reinvest.

This bumps the average real return down to
2.5% for reinvesting in bonds.
1.2% for sticking your money in cash
both of which still beat reinvesting dividends for an index fund which is at

>> No.12366238

That'll still happen to you because you'll get confused and FOMO your life savings back in after a solid green week jumps us up near 2018 highs after a rate hike. Then the algos start shitting on you and the PPT.

>> No.12366240

We've got a few different outcomes, deal obviously sends us to moon, no-deal talks went poorly, obviously worst case, no-deal talks went well but unable to reach deal talks to continue, still sucks but isn't terrible. so like up down slightly or down heavily. Very difficult to cover every set up.

>> No.12366257

Just keep majority of your value in hedges such as gold and use ~10% of your hedges to gamble with options with a bullish bias.

>> No.12366267
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If I wanted to put an alert for SSO for a price if say $85, what app/website would I use for that alert to show up on my phone the instant the price is meet? Can Robinhood do this?

>> No.12366269

all financial managers are taught already sell based off the yield curve. Your school project is gonna get a fat F-

>> No.12366276

Just place a limit order

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>> No.12366305

I unlocked the red theme guys!

>> No.12366315

if this am true, than GPRO am the Codpiece of Stocks

>> No.12366318
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I went down 2.75% on open.

>> No.12366320

impossible when you're averaging every 2 weeks for 2 years. you don't have the lump sum needed to "fomo"

>> No.12366322

there should be someone of a golden bullrun today

Large specs like to see red before they buy. better to green you with my dear

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well red morning, but on the plus side i got my schedule for winter classes locked in, and a blank check to buy books this afternoon

whats the best time to ignore the market, 12-1 ish, or 11-12 ish, or 1-2ish?

also, got dat primo schedule so i can trade at opening next semester, no more missing huge price movements because of lecture!

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You can keep selling, but the banks will buy them up.

>> No.12366340

It's also important to keep in mind that the only thing this strategy really struggles with is false positive yield curve inversions, which is what happened in the late 60s, which causes losses through capital gains.

>all financial managers are taught already sell based off the yield curve.
Yeah, and there's a reason why. But all the bulls going long in /smg/ seem to insist on a strategy of just holding and reinvesting, thus cost averaging all the way through crashes. All I'm trying to do is show how that's not such a great idea.

Next thing I'll be adding to the model is adding in inflation adjusted payments at regular intervals.

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Sounds like someone needs to learn the value of (portfolio) diversity

>> No.12366352

what a great game & song

>> No.12366357

It was all pre-market gains that I lost.

>> No.12366358
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Hey guys

>> No.12366362

i got bonds, index, energy and gold, like what the fuck else am I supposed to buy?

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>>Next thing I'll be adding to the model is adding in inflation adjusted payments at regular intervals.
no, do the fricken laplace transform already

I want to see SPY's frequency domain (but cant find a good source that exports data to .csv for MATLAB analysis)

vice city truely is GOAT gta game, i dont even care if its nostalgia, the setting it paints is perfect

not indexes, not broad ETF's
broad individual random stocks are the true path to gains

indices and ETF's are fake diversity when it comes to risk management

>> No.12366382

AMD moon mission resumed

>> No.12366383

I see you are a man of culture as well.

>> No.12366384

shit's looking peachy on the open at least. lets see what fresh hell the news cycle brings

>> No.12366397
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Aaaaand just like that it's a green morning again

>> No.12366399

Yes and no. Popular ETFs ARE the high growth companies.

>> No.12366400

fudge it, am longing @[email protected]

>> No.12366408

Longed TQQQ on open let's do this bulls

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AMD printing me money on my $16.5 call

>> No.12366449

The average time from curve inversion to market crash is, like, nine months or something, so why don't you time it at, like t+8 months instead of t+9 years?

>> No.12366455

>no, do the fricken laplace transform already
er, how would I go about doing that? I'm mostly self taught in R and I've never taken a proper calc class. and more importantly, what would be the significance of that transformation?

Also, I can get you all the data in excel format, which I think would be pretty easy to convert to .csv.

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>> No.12366467

That graph is for three years, and I've already tested 1 year and the gains pretty much disappear . >>12363121

>> No.12366469

imagine being a bear

>> No.12366478

you literally triggered the bogdabot right now

>> No.12366479

is the bear thesis officially cucked now?

>> No.12366487

>he doesn't know

how did that september peak feel?

>> No.12366488

your data is overfit and biased to arbitrary timeframe references.

>> No.12366498

well... fuck...

>> No.12366499

Now we twiddle our thumbs, wait for the banks to btfo boomer retailers, and enjoy new ath.

>> No.12366500

Thoughts on me selling my AMD and AMD calls today ahead of CES? Think I might exit today and take the profits.

>> No.12366502

NEW riskyloots and rootytops threads!!


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>Longed TQQQ
ew no, more like my stocks overcame my SQQQ and TVIX hedges

>>Also, I can get you all the data in excel format, which I think would be pretty easy to convert to .csv.
any Excel format works, .csv just seems to be the most common

where do you get the data? ive looked everywhere and cannot find continuous data for any stocks, even wasted money buying a pro tradingview account on the false assumption that their "export to .csv" meant data over time, not instant screenshot of screeners

>what would be the significance of that transformation?
so, so many applications

it opens up a whole new world of information and analysis

it would take too much time and words to explain what frequency domain is in a post, but understanding its significance is a real game changer, its like opening your eyes for the first time

>> No.12366510

I don't want an order to execute at that price necessarily. After getting the alert, I may look at the chart and see it's in free fall, the volume may be increasing in the sell side, and so on. I just want an alert, nothing more. No way I'm going to just stick an order on the chart in a random spot lol (does /smg/ actually do this?) So, how do I get the alert?

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Always exit if your overall portfolio is up 1%+. Then try and do the same the next day. If you can do it 10 times in a row, you'll be better than most of us here.

>> No.12366525

No, we could retrace as high as 256 now, before we floor around 220-216.

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just have a limit set for 1/20th of your position

also i think there are quite a few free stock alerts, like tradingview offers quite a few

not sure what apps will do it on your phone though

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>Always exit if your overall portfolio is up 1%+.

>> No.12366610

$Snap crash soon.

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The gains disappear if you decrease the hold time to 1 year, but they remain if you increase it to 4 years. Yes, 3-4 years is a sweetspot but this is dependent on the average length of the recession and the average time between the yield curve inversion and the start of the recession. You also don't have to follow this formula exactly, so long as you invest /during/ the recession you'll generally do well. The point of the strategy is to prevent the massive losses from a crash, so once a crash has happened pretty much any time you invest is good so long as it's before you get the previous highs.

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How about we make a trade anon.
Here's the data I used which contains historical data for the S & P 500 going back to 1871, including price and dividend, as well as ten year t bond rates, corporate earnings, and CPI for that same time period.

In return I'd appreciate some links you think explain frequency domain well.

>> No.12366697

I can also share the spaghetti code I'm using in R if you'd like to run these kind of simulations yourself. The switching mechanism between different asset classes was actually pretty difficult to get down.

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>>In return I'd appreciate some links you think explain frequency domain well.
um, idk where to begin if you dont into calc

a fourier analysis is breaking down a complex wave into a sum of sine and cosine waves

it goes hand in hand with Laplace transforms, changing a function from time domain (f(s) in this pic) to the frequency domain (F(s) in this pic)

my post of
in new thread is a good visual example

dont think ill need the spagetti code, i have a few MATLAB codes written, the only thing im missing is raw data

>> No.12366892

Ok beginner's question for euroinvestors.
I've got 1300€ at home, my savings from 2years part time job. I've been on unemployment money for 6months and will be living at my parents' on dadbux for a couple of years while studying for a public sevant exam.
The question being: Is that amount worth investing? I mean, I have it as an 'emergency' fund, i dont plan to use it living under my parents' roof, but I dont know if its enough to start investing.

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Think I got diarrhea how you fags holding up and why was there a big dick down on open on good trade news?

>> No.12366919

i just sold most of my stuff and bought some cheapies, need some ideas fast.

>> No.12366935

GCG9 change order
STP set 1294.5 to 1294.3

I use my work developed platform it is based on volumes, don't wanna take the risk. Nothing special actually RSI, Stochastic Bars, some more in graph RSI, basic Volume and in chart Volume

>> No.12367005

It is enough (it is always enough), but you shouldn't invest all of it. You seem to be in a tricky life situation, so it would probably be good to have money on hand. Also the stockmarket is pretty shaky, so if anything (for long term saving) you should buy bonds or bond heavy ETF's.

>> No.12367013

No problem, just wondering what you were looking at.

>> No.12367072

>DG up 4.3% today
feels good man

>> No.12367655

I learned from the Grand Exchange, but it's not a quick-time market simulator is my point.
I'll look into it.
I've seen it but could never understand it, are there any resources for someone interested?

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