/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.11754968]

GDP and economic production is a linear function of energy inputs (energy production/usage).

China is going to build a network of thousands of massive nuclear power plants, subsidized by the state (free electricity in unlimited quanties) and completely automate its industrial production with robotics (the chinese are building robot factory/AI research cities and I have driven through them and seen 50 km of highway billboards of companies building different industrial robots).

And then will just export all of the cheap manufactured good to the rest of the world over their train (one belt-one-road) and shipping empire.

While Canada, Europe and the west adapts "zero growth", no carbon, high debt, no industrial policy, anti-industrial growth policiss and has their domestic industries destroyed.

And we are not entering a "post-industrial" society, but a hyper-industrial society where human service jobs are replaced by mass produced objects (automation, AI, robotics, IoT).

The US and Europe does not even have a manufacturing supply chain anymore, except for a few monopoly industries. They cant even manufacture motors and do not even have access to rare Earth metals. Silicon Valley does not even have chip manufacturing capacity anymore.

IoT means that the industrial, military and consumer markets have merged and share the same supply chain and manufacturing base. The countries with the largest domestic consumer base will dominate the military, industrial and consumer products markets (highest volume, lowest cost) and dictate the standards globally.

Countries without a middle class do not have enough consumer demand for industrial production of electrics and to support military, industrial, consumer manufacturing toolchain or industries.

The US and EU need a civil war to turn around at this rate.

[Anonymous No.11754995]

There is so much corruption, so many special interests that need to be paid off, that in Germany it can take +15 billion dollars and two decades and they cannot even build an airport.

When the US interest rates are increased, we will see many countries unable to pay their foreign dominated debt and they will start defaulting and their currencies imploding one after another like Argentina and Turkey did recently. Massive flood of money into cryptos and Bitcoin.

The Fortune 500 CEOs had their companies take on huge debt through low interest bond sales. Then used the money to do stock buy backs (instead of investing in growth, equipment, product development).

The stock prices shot up on the debt fueled stock buy backs (like morgating your house to buy dotcom stock at the peak of the dotcom bubble). The CEOs made hundreds of millions in their stock options and retired.

And the Greek political leaders just take huge loans for the country and launder the money into their offshore bank account, then the next government has to figure out how to tax people and cut pensions to pay back the loans.

The government is too corrupt to support public infrastructure, and therefore private infrastructure is the only possibility, but leads to price gouging and monopolization and eventually mass impoverishment. They just buy up a monopoly and jack the rates up at 3x the rate of inflation every year until the country is depopulated because everyone moved out.

[Anonymous No.11755001]

Now the interest rates will increase and the companies will be unable to make their bond payments and will default. They wont be able to go into debt to pay the interest on their existing debt.

Then stock market implosion and demographics will wipe out the pension funds.

Many countries will see their foreign currency reserves wiped out, because all of their foreign currency is going to debt repayments. Then they will have massive currency devaluations (like Russia and Turkey).

And then people in any country with deb, will start moving money into anything they can to protect themselves, before or after the currency collapses (which may become frequent).

Broke, indebted, defaulting governments will cut or privatize government services. Pensions will be cut.

Governments will increase taxes and destroy their economies. They will be hunting people with offshore bank accounts or gold. High tax rates will increase percentage of economic activity that is underground or not reported.

The most productive people or highest earning people will flee the in-debted, backrupted countries.

Etc. Death Spiral.

Trump cant change anything. He cant change demographics. He cant change the special interests he has to fight against. He cant change that people just want free stuff for votes. He cant change that even if the country had an industrial policy, that it would be opposed and block by almost everyone. He cant change that the debt holders dont care if the the real economy is destroyed and that they will just hold on and loot as much as they can for as long as they can, even if half of the country is living on the streets in tents. He cant change that the majority are brain damaged, drugged up and dont care what reality is and want to believe lies.

[Anonymous No.11755044]

>>11754968
Civil war won’t be enough. We need a WW3. Which is exactly why it will happen.

[Anonymous No.11755072]

Trump could just declare that all debts are payable in silver and gold. Also he could round up the estimated 25 million illegals(I think it's more like 40 million) and kick them out. Both would be a good start towards fixing things.

[Anonymous No.11755085]

>>11755072
Trump isn't going to do that because he's in on the game. He's another fucking political puppet orchestrating the plans of the hidden financial elite that rule this world.

[Anonymous No.11755124]

>>11754968
>>11754995
>>11755001
This is exactly what's happening. Indeed the next decade will be a fucking mess up, probably WW3 is closer than what we think.

What should we invest in in preparation of this systemic debt collapse?

[Anonymous No.11755144]

>>11755124
The big short 2.0

[Anonymous No.11755145]

>>11755124
Ammu and gold

And then again...ww3 wont happen because nearly everyone has the real boom boom weapons nowadays.

We could invade africa or SA

[Anonymous No.11755189]

>>11755145
What about silver? It's at its lowest since a decade rn, it could be a good entry point no?

[Anonymous No.11755194]

>>11755085
I'm just saying what he could do if he wants to fix things not that he will.
>>11755124
>What should we invest in in preparation of this systemic debt collapse?
Ammo/guns, gold/silver, storeable food/water and if you feel you have enough of those then maybe buy up cigarettes/coffee/sugar.

[Anonymous No.11755197]

yet people shit on china.. say what you want about them having no soul but at least their leaders genuinely care about their country

[Anonymous No.11755204]

>>11755145
Im in, lets take over South Africa and use Africas sun and fertile soil to become the number one agricultural country in the world. No blacks allowed.

[Anonymous No.11755215]

>>11754968
>The US and Europe does not even have a manufacturing supply chain anymore, except for a few monopoly industries. They cant even manufacture motors and do not even have access to rare Earth metals. Silicon Valley does not even have chip manufacturing capacity anymore.
I'm pretty sure whatever device you typed on has both an EU-made and a US-made chip.

[Anonymous No.11755218]

>>11755189
Usually it's a bad idea to try catching a falling knife, but I suppose in this case it's shiny. Sure, go right ahead, silver having a track record of being a terrible investment is exactly why you should invest in it.

[Anonymous No.11755262]

>>11754995
God damn. Smartest summary I've seen on /biz/.

Would ((they)) not find a way to crush China as they do with every threat to their global dominance. Unless China is already a part of their empire?

[Anonymous No.11755268]

Lol this is Synth going on one of his coke infueled rants again

[Anonymous No.11755277]

>>11755194
>>11755204
don't forget drugs : painkiller, antibiotics, analgesics, proton inhibitors, anti inflamatory, etc..

Someone who absolutely need his medication will pay you anything to have it/stop suffering or the suffering of his relatives.
They are easy to store, easy to manipulate and move, can be stored for a long time and impossible to reproduce (unless you have big pharma labs in your basement). It's the ultimate crisis coin.

>>11755218
>Usually it's a bad idea to try catching a falling knife
I thought we were supposed to buy low and sell high, am i mistaken? And it's not really an investment, more a way to protect your asset against hyperinflation.
But surprise me, what would you invest in?

[Anonymous No.11755301]

>>11755262
>>11755124
You should ask Synth in the main chat on Telegram

[Anonymous No.11755318]

>>11755262
the jewish fly to China alrdy started 5 years ago, the rats are leaving the sinking ship who are US and EU to parasite their new host.
That's why they allowed and fueled the technologies transfert as hard as they could via their secret services.

[Anonymous No.11755346]

>>11754968
Now you guys get it .... Id say better late than never , but if you haven't prepared by now you will struggle.

[Anonymous No.11755372]

>Copy pasta with peddit spacing
OP is the definition of a faggot

[Anonymous No.11755389]

>>11755372
>oyvey look at the spacing goyim, you should dismiss it!

[Anonymous No.11755392]

>>11755277
/biz/dom says buy high sell low, but that's irrelevant here. Gold is the gold standard of value for a reason. If you just want to protect your value, not go up or down any then why not gold? If you're worried about hyperinflation I assume you mean the USD, since that is what I'm worried about and I project quite often. Emerging markets would be something to consider. Mutual funds and ETFs make this an easy way to diversify.
The stock market has always gone in only one direction, up. At this point it's literally the end of the world if it fails. So there is no point in precious metals if we have an EotW situation. Tow options; go full doomsday prepper and buy lead, brass, and land, or rust in the powers that be not to completely fuck themselves over and get by on their breadcrumbs. Value can never be created or destroyed, it just changes form. USD is king, for now. Whether it remains that way or is usurped by RMB, ILS, or BTC remains to be seen. I don't know shit tbdesu, but silver just doesn't seem like that safe of a bet in my eyes.

[Anonymous No.11755402]

>>11755389
>>>/pol/
Learn to behave like the Romans when you are in Rome faggot

[Anonymous No.11755412]

>>11755402
how new are you kike?

[Anonymous No.11755417]

>>11755072
>silver
>gold
>illegals
Imagine being so stupid that you believe going back 150 years in financial history will fix your problems.
The foreigners are a source of cheap labor and increased consumer demand, your economy now depends on then so much, it would choke without them.

[Anonymous No.11755425]

>>11755412
Back to >>>/po/ refugee

[Anonymous No.11755432]

>>11755425

[Anonymous No.11755488]

>>11755402
You're the visitor, though.

[Anonymous No.11755601]

>>11755417
Imagine being such a dumb faggot that you believe paper and digital numbers have any actual value and that foreigners coming to work for less money is good for the economy.

[Anonymous No.11755604]

>>11755194
Buy up cigarettes... Fucking why?

[Anonymous No.11755648]

>>11755604
The UK ran out of supplies to send to their soldiers back in world war I so they jus sent them cigarettes instead

[Anonymous No.11755670]

>>11755604
If the economy actually collapses they would be hard to get for a while and people need their fix.

[Anonymous No.11755689]

>>11755604
They literally never go bad if stored properly and everyone will always want smokes.
There's a reason they're a currency in prisons

[Anonymous No.11755711]

>>11755301

[Anonymous No.11755712]

>>11755301
whats the main chat on telegram? always been interested into this sort of stuff

[Anonymous No.11755828]

>>11755689
Why not tobacco then? If people are desperate they want mind a cheaper, higher quality product. If you have any business sense you'll sell at a higher price than cigarettes and pocket the difference. Just makes more sense to buy the good stuff instead of cheap shit like marlboros. If they don't like it then I'm sure you wouldn't mind rolling them as an added value service.

[Anonymous No.11755871]

>>11755488
and that is why the /pol/ack was shoad

[Anonymous No.11756333]

>>11755712
download telegram and go the skycoin website for link to main chat

[Anonymous No.11756337]

>>11756333
>skycoin
Is it true that the holders of this coin are notoriously schizophrenic? What makes them that way?

[Anonymous No.11756414]

>>11756337
Skyschizo's is legit

[Anonymous No.11756443]

>>11754968
>>11754995
>>11755001
Do you have any good book recommendations on this topic?

[Anonymous No.11756516]

>>11755601
>Digital numbers dont have any actual value
Sure, but that's why I'm invested in LINK, son. Its value derived from utility, unlike gold and silver.
And yes actually all the information shows that increased access to a diverse labor supply does increase an economy's vividness on every level. The one that you're butthurt about is that the Lionshare of the benefits go to those owning the traditional means of production. (Which is essentially the same politics of why gold and silver have any value.)
Imagine holding this much double think.

[Anonymous No.11756560]

>>11756516
>value derived from utility
It's "value" is derived from speculation and greed, just like every shitcoin ever. Give it a rest faggot.

[Anonymous No.11756586]

We got a sauce on the qt yet?

[Anonymous No.11756592]

>>11756443

See >>11755301

[Anonymous No.11756669]

>>11756560
Speculation and greed are way more intrinsic to your special metals than a service network that seeks to reduce the operating cost on business and contracts, but you know whatever, I can see that you're just bagholding, some literally heavy bags.