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GLOBAL BOND MARKETS MELTING DOWN

BOND YIELDS SKYROCKETING, DEBT BUBBLE IS EXPLODING

$60 TRILLION IN DEBT ADDED SINCE 2008 CRISIS At RECORD LOW INTEREST RATES(MOSTLY IN USD(US DOLLARS)) US DOLLAR IS SKYROCKETING

EMERGING MARKETS DESTROYED, SOVEREIGN DEBT CRISIS INEVITABLE

>> No.11310012

bout fucking time but you know it won't happen

>> No.11310030
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The fuck is a bond yield

>> No.11310046

what coin is this?

>> No.11310057
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>>11310030

>> No.11310068

I don't give a shit I'm a young single man and won't be affected one bit

>> No.11310087

>>11310030
It's the magic money of governments.

>> No.11310093

this is good for bitcoin

>> No.11310120

>>11310068
Oh sweet summer child...

>> No.11310133
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11310133

Here comes the golden bull

>> No.11310137

>>11310030

A bond is basically a voluntary tax you can pay for the promise of some shit tier return so the government can make x10 more fiat out of nothing from the amounts of bonds deposited

>> No.11310173
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Looks like bonds are mooning op

>> No.11310187

>>11310173
Why tf am i trading crypto. Im going to findout how to trade bonds

>> No.11310191

>>11310173
* Bond yields

>> No.11310196

what really caused the 2008 financial crash the real answer is the Mexican drug cartels pulled their money out of the system following the Wachovia Bank money laundering scandal. When they dropped the hammer on their investigation they seized $110 million of “dirty money.” The cartels said “OK, if you want to be like that, you won’t get our money” and they stopped laundering their money through US banks. That dried up the liquidity in the system and caused the financial crash of 2008.
At the height of the 2008 banking crisis, Antonio Maria Costa, then head of the United Nations office on drugs and crime, said he had evidence to suggest the proceeds from drugs and crime were "the only liquid investment capital" available to banks on the brink of collapse. "Inter-bank loans were funded by money that originated from the drugs trade," he said. "There were signs that some banks were rescued that way."
Did drug money keep the banks high and dry?
A little known but striking comment from the then executive director of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime on how illegal drug money was the only thing that kept the banks afloat during the 2008 crash.
Vienna-based UNODC [United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime] Executive Director Antonio Maria Costa said in an interview
that drug money often became the only available capital when the crisis spiralled out of control last year.
“In many instances, drug money is currently the only liquid investment capital,” Costa was quoted as saying
Drug money saved banks in global crisis, claims UN advisor
Drugs money worth billions of dollars kept the financial system afloat at the height of the global crisis, the United Nations' drugs and crime tsar has told the Observer.
Antonio Maria Costa, head of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, said he has seen evidence that the proceeds of organised crime were "the only liquid investment capital" available to some banks on the brink of collapse last year.

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>>11310173
I know that's what I said

>> No.11310200

>>11310173
You know that higher yields is the opposite of mooning, right? The market is down 25 basis points this week. Bad week to hold treasuries

>> No.11310208

>>11310199
Hows thta a bad thing? Doesnt that mean more money on your bonds?

>> No.11310241

>>11310208
The chart you posted was bond yield, not bond prices. When bond yields go up the price falls and vice versa. So when bond yields skyrocket now the amount of interest people/governments have to pay skyrockets and the shit hits the fan

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*blocks your recession*
Heh nothing personnel kid

>> No.11310361

>>11310187
Interest rates have been literal shit for the last decade, you didn't miss anything.

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>>11310030
>The fuck is a bond yield

>> No.11310454

>>11310200
>You know that higher yields is the opposite of mooning, right?
why?!

>> No.11310544

>>11310208
Bond yields = how much money the bond pays / price

If price goes down, yields go up. Basically people are selling their bonds, causing yields to go up.

>> No.11310566

>>11310133
5 more days

>> No.11310604

>>11310196
You say that Mexican drug cartels caused the crisis, but your evidence says they helped keep banks afloat during the crisis. Read a little more carefully man. The 2008 financial crisis was also certaintly not caused by drug cartels. It was mainly due to rampant lending and speculation of credit default swaps.

>> No.11310614

>>11310208
Bonds aren't variable rate. New bonds being created are now at these rates.
They are increasing in rates because people are desperate for liquidity and will take on higher interest rates in order to stay solvent.

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>>11309997
Toasting in epic bread

>> No.11310711

Fuck it's fucking saturday anon jesus christ nothing is happening wait till monday to say this shit fucks sake wow.

>> No.11310761

>>11310133
what is that half a fleur-de-lys on its head?

>> No.11310775

>>11310761
>fleur-de-lys
It represents Golden Lily , tied in with yamashita's gold... look it up.

>> No.11310849

>>11310775
interdasting
so how do you tie it all together?

>> No.11311078

>>11310849
well you see that the Golden Lily is the bird itself... and the coin is just an external factor.. just a necklace. The coin itself isn't the phoenix. you see?
But the phoenix is holding the coin up, it supports the coin.

So, tying it together based on what I can see, with minimal research, is that yamashita's gold or maybe just gold in general will back whatver coin is on the phoenix's neck.
could be completely wrong
i should probably research it more.

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>>11309997
I hope you're all buying gold and silver

>> No.11312439

>>11309997
>bond yields skyrocketing
wait for it, this will rise even further and then all money from stocks will move in when it's about time for the next big short (hint dow at 30k, nasdaq at 10k)

>> No.11312446

>>11311114
gold and silver won't be safe when it's time, they will be sold as well.

>> No.11312567

>>11310333
Check'd

>> No.11312876

>>11310046
nice just sold 100k

>> No.11312887

>>11311114
fucking boomers and their shineys xD

>> No.11313384

>>11309997
us dollar is going to get stronger. we will see parity on E/U

>> No.11313392

>>11310173
bonds go up dollar strong!

>> No.11313425

>>11309997
what does that even mean you retard

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>>11310187
>he's gonna sell his crypto at the bottom and fomo into the bond market at the top

>> No.11313488

i dont believe you but fuck yeah if true

>> No.11313512

I cashed in $3500 ($4050 w/ interest) in bonds earlier this year that my parents had stuffed away in a shelf for me, did I help?

>> No.11313552

>>11310030
Debt you give to your government for shitty returns.

>> No.11313556

>>11313442
are you surprised?

>> No.11313574

>>11313384
certainly. Why do you think soros is flooding the eu with unqualified shitskins

>> No.11313580

>The spike in US long-term bond yields overnight to their highest level in more than seven years says something positive about the current state of the US economy while also hinting at the threat to the sustainability of Trump’s economic boom.

source: some australian webzine or something, it's in the top 5 results if you type "bond bubble". there's virtually nothing on this in terms of panic, and barely even anything acknowledging it at all.

>> No.11313726

>>11313580
the less its talked about, the worse its gonna be

>> No.11313768

Fuck someone's Bitcoin ass with those

>> No.11313798

>>11312446
Sold for what? Us dollars? If the collapse comes it will be because no one wants dollars anymore.

>> No.11313865

>>11313798
I don't want dollars anymore.
You think I want to raise a child here? Sure, its not a shithole, its not like I'm moving to Mexico, but living your life as an American Citizen means always paying American taxes no matter where you are. You sign your child up for that even though there are no guarantees of basic human rights, and other country's benefits now outweigh American benefits.

Most importantly I no longer feel safe in this country because everyone is so on edge and ready to fight each other. the economic inequality is bad enough for people to march 3 miles over to the nice neighborhood and riot. This will shut down airports and most businesses making it impossible to keep your own business running or leave for another country. This is why billionaires are building their bunkers in New Zealand and not the Rocky Mountains. North America as a continent might be safe, but millionaires and billionaires are no longer safe in the US. do you think they still want dollars even though they're jumping ship before it sinks?

>> No.11313884

>>11309999
>>11310000

>> No.11313951

>>11310333
>maxes out deficit
>tries to grow economy faster than resulting debt

Will the absolute madman succeed?

>> No.11313982

>>11309997

This is the chart you need.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T10Y2Y

The light blue stripes show recessions

>> No.11313990

>>11313884
Why did Hitler and Kek show up on the crypto boards anons
What does this mean
What lies in store?

>> No.11314159

Nothing is happening

>> No.11314761

>>11310173
This autist is great to watch on the matter
https://youtu.be/VlYYk6610zk

>> No.11314793

>>11310711
Tuesday. Monday is a holiday. Nothing hits the fan till then.

>> No.11314855

>>11313865
Its the same cycle thats been happening for hundreds of years. Capitalism appears and allows a few to get rich and for a while they do a decent job of keeping the scales balanced but as time goes on the balancing act gets harder and harder to maintain. Then the house of cards collapses and a revolt happens that gives way to communism or anarchism.

See October revolution and french revolution. Also Rome. All the same thing. Over and over and over again.

>> No.11314928

>>11314855
Right now bankers are sitting in there houses in NYC talking about the Supreme Court vote. They all know there is something coming but they don't know from where. The Bond market has been a source of concern for awhile now and if this is it...get fucking ready.

>> No.11314965

>>11314793
>columbus day
oh i forgot.
are we about to enter a new world
porbbaly not.

>> No.11315117

>>11314928
I dont think you have to worry about the liberals. They arent real communists. In fact i have strong reason to beleive they are the result of a massive psyop by the CIA to discredit any genuine communist movements. They want to make communism appear unattractive to poor rural whites so they can force them under the trump umbrella. You dont actually think wealthy california liberals want communism do you? Lol. Not a chance. What they want is freakshow capitalism. They are more concerned with the gender of whos running a company than the company itself.

>> No.11316193

>>11313442
What are you? Retarded? You buy new bonds now and sell them second hand when the bond market is crashing in a few years. The payments and the price of the sale will put you over the top.

>> No.11316232

>>11313865
I'm just going to get out of debt. Save every penny and move to some Asian fishing village. Fish all day and lurk, hope the mercury and toxic waste dumping doesn't get me before a tsunami or some shit. Either that or move to an island off the coast of scotland and become a Shepard.

>> No.11316242

>>11310196
stopped reading at "mexican drug"

>> No.11316823

>>11315117

---> /pol/

>> No.11316887

>>11310196
Thanks for this blood-red pill
Most can't accept it.

>> No.11316913

>>11311114
Type "Shoo shoo, shiney metal jew" to get rid of peter schiff

>> No.11317298

>>11311114
I hope you're buying lead and copper
>and water filters

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>> No.11317957

>>11312439
This is a highly relevant and underrated comment.

>> No.11317960

>>11309997
>>11310012
>>11310030
>>11310046
>>11310057
>>11310620
>>11310620
>>11317771
>>11317298
>>11316913
>>11316887

TIME FOR WORLD WAR 3

I CAN'T WAIT TO FIGHT ALONG SIDE PEWDIEPIE AND BOOGIE2988. LMFAO

>> No.11318228

>>11310196

wow, you're completely oblivious -- it was, very factually, RMBS imploding
t. former banker

>> No.11318244

>>11310196
Is society still running on drug money?
Opium money?
If so what happens when Trump cleans up the crime.

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>>11310030

Well isn't the government's fault for making shitty investments. Doesn't mean the private market will suffer.

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>>11310566
Burn baby burn

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>>11319039
Fuck wrong pic

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>>11318244
He seizes assets from the coffers of corrupt individuals/organizations and injects it into the American economy.

>> No.11319348

>>11310333
I hope to see donalds head on a spike before time is up

>> No.11319421

>>11319348
ur crazy

he will lead us to success

>> No.11319613

>>11319421
I doubt that very much

>> No.11319653
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>>11312446
Dude Gold and Silver protects your value. You don't sell it for fiat, you barter with it. It's so that you are kang when the world burns.

>> No.11319677

>>11319653
Sorry mate, but when I'm selling guns and ammo post-apocalypse I'll only accept fiat.

>> No.11319689

>>11319677
>selling the only thing that can ensure your survival for paper
Nice

>> No.11319772

>>11319069
This image would be much better if it was subtler (with Dolfy more in the background).

>> No.11320135

>>11319689
Well to his credit, you can at least burn paper when you are cold

>> No.11320369

>>11310208
That means the cost of servicing debt is going up. Poor people live pay check to pay check maxing out their credit. If their monthly minimum payment goes up where will they get the money to pay it? Think about the US Debt and our exploding deficit.

>> No.11320564

>>11314793
China comes back on Monday. Shits fucked.

>> No.11320916

When times get bad, capital first moves from risky investments (asia, lower tier markets, etc) to "safe" ones (US companies, USD). So before shit hits the fan you can make some gains by going into USD. Thank me later.

>> No.11320932

>>11320916
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/markets-by-sector/foreign-exchange/usd/the-shortage-of-us-dollars/

>> No.11320940

>>11320916
Playing Russian roulette trying to time that.

>> No.11321052

>>11320135

He's too retarded to start a fire without matches or a lighter.

>> No.11321100

>>11310333
oh no it's retarded.

>> No.11321107

>>11313951
We gonna see the Trillion Dollar coin in our lifetime. Any ways I'm moving to Mexico.

>Public debt in mexico is only 500 Billion
>USA is 21 Trillion lol.

>> No.11321157

>>11321107

>I'm moving to Mexico.

Enjoy getting skinned alive.

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>>11321157
>Enjoy getting skinned alive.

>Live in the US
>Get Shot

>call police
>get shot again

>> No.11321226

>>11310030
pretty much literally IOUs, but on a massive scale

>> No.11321240

>>11309997
Trump actually fucked us so hard. Lowering taxes on the rich was the stupidest fucking thing.

Friendly reminder /biz/ pre-existing corporations don't create jobs, startups do. Cut taxes on STARTUPS.

“Leverage is near all-time highs, and companies used tax reform proceeds for buybacks instead of paying down debt,” said Max Gokhman, head of asset allocation for Pacific Life Fund Advisors, which manages $40 billion. “More than triple the debt that came due in 2018 will be due each year from ’19-’21. If yields go up, there’s real concern about companies’ ability to reissue and keep their leverage.”

>> No.11321251

>>11321107
>I'm moving to Mexico
Enjoy your parasite infested water and lack of plumbing. Enjoy having to share the village computer. Enjoy getting fucked by narcos. Should I go on?

>> No.11321265

>>11321157
>>11321251
Yeah anon why move to Mexico when there are literally a ton of fantastic "third world" countries that are hiding in plain sight with fairly good standards of living for cheap? I myself plan on moving to Argentina. Crypto is taking off there because the dollar wrecked their currency, and theres supposedly a ton of hot women there who are no where near as spoiled and annoying as American women. Plus, if you move to Mexico you're still supporting the US economy, which is a big no-no if we want crypto to actually take over.

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>>11310030
it dont matter

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>>11321240
>stupidest
Stick to playdough

>> No.11321370

>>11321107
>moving to mexico
leaving the USA right now is the ultimate version of selling low
That said, teh whole world should get better soon, and if you are mexican by blood going there wouldn't be a bad choice

>>11321240
>taxes
AHAHAHAHAHAHA OH NO NO NO NO NO AHAHAHAH OH ONON NO NO
Reminder that taxation is theft

>>11319069
Mm this sounds good and based and redpilled.

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>>11321240
WOW IT SURE WOULD BE A SHAME IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO INTEREST RATES THAT INCONVENIENCED THESE LEVERED UP MORONS