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https://cryptobriefing.com/holochain-code-review-and-distributed-computing-thoughts/

>First impressions, this is really good code. New standard kind of good.

>A lot of production considerations already in. This code is scary good.

>I love this code. File after file after file is just amazing. I’m going to be spending a lot more time here.

>Guys, this is something else, after seeing the above code, I started exploring a bit more. Clutter, a fully distributed twitter built on holochain. Holo Vault, built in permissioned, user controlled KYC. Just because. Holochat, a distributed Slack. This is actually insane. There is so much here already. Everyone is going on about the new distributed Internet, here it is. Ready to be used.

This is something entirely new, and it isn’t a blockchain, this is a new kind of decentralized beast, but I love it.

Any programmerfags can confirm his comments?
This is a pretty reputable site and have never been accused of paid reviews.

>> No.10651086
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>>10651055
So why do you guys abandon every thread this gets posted in?

>> No.10651097

>>10651086
Because that pic a fake FUD

>> No.10651110

>>10651086
tired of this lowest grade fud. Literally a telegram admin used a poor choice of words to describe binances long term support for holofuel integration. link me an official announcement and ill stfu.

>> No.10651113

>>10651097
its not fake retard

>> No.10651126

>>10651086

>ImpLYING

This is the only piece of fud you've got for HOT and it's not even true.

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>>10651086
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>> No.10651133

>>10651110
alright here some higher grade fud. why didnt the team vest their ico tokens faggot? you realise they are dumping on your asses every minute?

>muh bills to pay they say
oh sweet so where the fuck are the 20m$ you raised in ether money?

never invest into coins without vesting you dumb biztards

>> No.10651137

.10 eoy

>> No.10651154

>>10651133
OH NO NO NO

>> No.10651156

>>10651086
how can you not invest in this trap? godam

>> No.10651166

Feetcoin

>> No.10651175

>>10651133
https://medium.com/h-o-l-o/why-theres-no-vesting-in-the-holo-ico-feb4f180e8b2

Also, most of the teams supply was spent on backpay, loans, partners etc. so they don't hold close to 25% anyway.

>> No.10651176

>>10651110
>Literally a Telegram admin
>DIRECTOR OF MARKETING
Link me to an official announcement from Binance.

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Is "Sami" a man?

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>>10651166
Ain't nothing wrong with that

>> No.10651200

>>10651133
You have no proof that the team is dumping anything and if they are it's not having an effect. Bonobo tier fud.

>> No.10651215

>>10651055
>a blockchain that is secured without paying for security! thermodynamics was bunk all along!

>a blockchain where nodes dont need to be synced! consensus was never actually important!

i could go on, but how do faggots fall for this shit?

>> No.10651223

>>10651215
Agent-centric

>> No.10651246

>>10651215
>a blockchain
it's not a blockchain

>> No.10651255

>>10651215

Because there's different types of consensus that can be used to get efficiency instead of requiring the entire fucking network reach a consensus on every single fucking transaction when it's not necessary, which is what kills ETH and BTC. That's why literally every third gen. blockchain/crypto project is trying to get away from the dead end of global consensus.

>> No.10651290

>>10651055
>First impressions, this is really good code. New standard kind of good.
>Guys, this is something else, after seeing the above code, I started exploring a bit more. Clutter, a fully distributed twitter built on holochain. Holo Vault, built in permissioned, user controlled KYC. Just because. Holochat, a distributed Slack. This is actually insane. There is so much here already. Everyone is going on about the new distributed Internet, here it is. Ready to be used.
*Breathes in*
*Breathes out*
*aaaaaahhhh...*
I love it when an article is so transparently pageety that you don't even have to bother researching the project yourself.
Thanks biz, seriously.

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>>10651055

>> No.10651318

>>10651255
thats what sharding is for retard. getting rid of global consensus sacrifices security

>> No.10651330

>>10651290
ok, can you check the code and tell my why he's wrong? or is it literally impossible that a groundbreaking piece of software is created in the crypto space. cryptobriefing and andre cronje are quite reputable

>> No.10651341

Holoscam with decentralised internet/Tor but no working proof of concept

>> No.10651374

>>10651330
I don't even need to, senpai. The overwhelming stench of curry from that article is all I need.

>> No.10651383

>>10651318
exactly this. holo is dogshit

>> No.10651391

>>10651341
>no working proof of concept
an alpha release and is available for public testing and use
https://github.com/holochain/holochain-proto
there are also several prototype and proof-of-concept holochain apps available for download
https://github.com/holochain

NEXT

>> No.10651622

>>10651374
That is actually feet you are smelling

>> No.10651631

>>10651391
And this is different to Skyscam how?
It’s run by the same people under a different name

>> No.10651636

>>10651631
That would be hilarious

>> No.10651742

>>10651631
lambao

>> No.10652231

>>10651055
Look at all the other projects this guy reviewed. I don't recognize a single name in there.

>> No.10652263

>>10651631
>Bagholders from two different scam coins constantly fighting
>Synth accidentally posts a family photo
>it's Brock, Jabba the feet and him at a park together
>Both teams exit scam within hours as the news comes out that they are a family of scammers
Great lore for two shitcoins.

>> No.10652301

>>10652231


Dude he has looked at just about all the well known projects in existence. He hates nearly all of them. This is the real shit....the code....not the chink pr bs.....not the billion ico bs....the actual code. 95% is shit and even straight calls out Tron for copy pasta. When the fust settles un crypto these fake projects will die.

>> No.10652334

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/cryptobriefing.com/amp/tron-plagiarism-investor-lawsuit

>> No.10652501

can it reach 10 cents in a ultra golden bull run?

>> No.10652618

>>10652501
If BTC goes to 50K it will go past 30 cents easily. I’m thinking it could top at .40-.50 cents

>> No.10652991

>>10652301
Thank you for being a voice of reason. The assume everything is fake, everyone is paid, nothing is real... Except it is real. I have been watching this argument for 4 months. Not a single dev/programmer has come out saying the code is fake or that its impossible to operate. There have only been concerns of security and certain scaling aspects. Honestly the real fud is speculation and doubt at best right now.

Shit talk all you want guys. Us holochads saved our gains by switching to Holo 4 months ago. And even many of the newcomers have made mucho gains. You can deny and shit talk all you want while you hold your bleeding altcoins and feel jealous and salty.

Don't be a hater. It's bad for you.

>> No.10653597

>>10651215
Try thinking outside the blocks

>> No.10653733

>>10652618
source: your asshole

>> No.10653759

>>10652991
biz is so salty from getting justed for half a year straight they refuse to believe anything positive no matter how clear cut it is. topkek

>> No.10653903

oh god. i had 172 MILLION hot at one point. i sold them and traded shitcoins and lost almost everything. went all in on holo again but now i only have 15 million. oh man. DAMNNN. sigh. well i guess 15 million euros is ok. ill settle with that.

>> No.10653921

>>10652991
Haha you think that matters. No one ever calls out these shitheaps for being fake. Even the most blatant scams I never see a proper deconstruction.
I guess no one gives a fuck really.

>> No.10654093

>>10652334
Why do you post this article, its from andrew ancheta. A different person than who wrote the holo shill article, andre cronje. Are you trying to mislead everyone into thinking that everything on the cryptobriefing site is from the same person?

>> No.10654110

cz_biance never tweeted that. i went to his twitter and looked. it's not there. this is FUD so he can buy holochain cheaper.

>> No.10654139

>>10654110
So desperate holocucks. If you could control yourself from lying all the time, your chances would be better.

>> No.10654511

Holo Fud makes me bullish. Ive never seen such obvious intentions to pull the price down to buy cheap on a project.

>> No.10654628

>>10654511
I have made it clear I am a fundamentals investor and have seen very little to nothing to make me scared. I went all in on Holo and it saved my ass. And considering how its at around 10 sats... you know it's going to 100 sats eventually. We will at least hit 500m-1bill market cap before the network even launches.

>> No.10654631

Holo fud is weird, the same couple guys saying stupid shit that gets disapproved and they keep going in each thread

>> No.10654650
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What makes it even more humorous is the fact that the price is super low now. They intentionally started the price where it is and that's great. Why do iPhones cost as much as they do if other phones can do the same thing? Because iPhones aren't other phones and in a society with capitalism at the helm, you can charge as much as you want for your product. But this is on another level when you look at the code and you do some evaluation of the team and goals they have. Not stupid people involved in Holochain. You know that Eric Harris-Braun's wife passed away and why that's significant? He enjoyed his time with her and his son is also involved in this. You have nothing to lose when you've lived the kind of life he's lived. Coding since the 80s and same with Art Brock. Wonder why it was kept under the radar for so long.

Ethereum was less than $0.50 before. This one can grow exponentially too. I am excited to take part in this and I hope you all do as well. Crypto is beginning to show its true colors.

>> No.10654684

>>10651055

KEEP SHILLING YOUR BAGS FAGGOT

NOBODY CARES ABOUT CRYPTOBRIEFING ANYWAY, ICO DAYS ARE OVER

>> No.10654712

>>10651055
Hey retards, HOLOCHAIN DOES NOT NEED A COIN.

>> No.10655151

>>10654628
>fundamentals investor
>in crypto
>holo guaranteed 10x
>5-10x before network launches
>2018

>> No.10655381

That review is a total scam.

Code samples he is salivating over are basic plumbing. Literally no important logic is found there. It's like reading a review of a house where the reviewer claims that the house is built "scary good" while inspecting some mediocre postboxes in front.

Either the reviewer has learned to code 3 weeks ago or is an experienced coder trolling. Hard to say which is which.

And the sampled code is competent at best. Nothing special.

>> No.10655386

>>10655381
well what’s your opinion then?

>> No.10655416

>>10655386
it's irrelevant, they rewrote it all in Rust

>> No.10655432

>>10651086
>So why do you guys abandon every thread this gets posted in?
He's referring to Skycoin fool.

>> No.10655444

>>10655386
My opinion is "meh".

I'm not going to bother doing a review myself because I have better things to do with my life, but the opnion expressed in the review itself is total bullshit.

The code samples in the review are mediocre - some of the stuff there is actually bad - for example splitting strings to get port numbers out, which by itself is nothing too wrong. BUT you usually encapsulate that shit into proper objects before consuming. The way it's done there is not what one would call "elegant". In fact it's lazy. A sign of someone either carelss or a beginner.

I'm not judging the platform itself, just the review and the samples in the review.

>> No.10655479

>>10655444
>Talks shit about coders review
>Doesn't back up his opinion with any specifics
>Claims he's too busy to do a review
>Posting paragraphs on biz

Get out of here loser, you're not fooling anybody. Either back your shit up or move along. You're making yourself look stupid.

>> No.10655480

>>10651055

I just started buying because LISP

>> No.10655514

>>10655479

I providen an example of shitty programming. Improve your reading comprehension.

Anyway, this this is an engineering topic, so it's normal that you don't get it. You're going to have to trust me on this one. Anyone who knows their shit would see right through that "review".

>> No.10655548

>>10653903
Hahahahaha what a dumbass! Every penny it goes up you'd be making 1.7 million! Now every penny it goes up you'll only make 150k.

Still a lot but fuck you really fucked up

>> No.10655561

>>10655514
Best FUD I've seen so far honestly. The "coder" who sees through the bad code.

>> No.10655591

>>10655561

I don't see through bad code - I see through bullshit code reviews, which claim some basic instantiation methods are "scary good".

Go take a free programming course, maybe you'll get scammed a bit less.

>> No.10655615

>>10651055
>muh programmers review
everyone hipster faggot is a programmer these days

>> No.10655626

>>10651055
>This is a pretty reputable site
Some random crypto news site (trying to hop on the hype train) that I have never heard of before.

>> No.10655631

>>10655615
Especially this nigger >>10655591

>> No.10655635

>>10655591

Well you have a point. But at the same time holo is so unique, and the ideas behind it can build so much new stuff cheaper than anything else.

It's almost a guaranteed success in my mind if they can get it to work as advertised.

>> No.10655672

>>10655631
>0
You seem triggered. Invested much already?

>>10655635
>3

Can't judge, i'm only looking at the "review" and it's "code".

>> No.10655953

>>10655635
>trust me, guaranteed
Holo promises so much, and this agent centric soft consensus sounds so easy. So easy until you see it happen in the real world. In reality groups often conspire against each other and the public. Holochain introduces relativistic consensus mechanics creating a new paradigm of incentivized deceit.

>> No.10656136

>>10655591
I think it's designed to be normie friendly so it doesn't go in depth. andre cronje seems legit if you check his background, and look at other code reviews. they have plenty of negative reviews, or examples of calling out tokens with little development "this is just another ethereum clone right now", they called out tron for plagiarism. then some are positive. this is the most positive one i've seen.

that said would still love for someone here who knows that they're talking about to give a short review of their code https://github.com/holochain

>> No.10656323

>>10651631
Holy shit that's pure mental illness

>> No.10656345

>>10655514
>You're going to have to trust me on this one. Anyone who knows their shit would see right through that "review".
I've yet to read anything or see anyone refute that the code is not legit. You're the one by person saying this so what makes u so special that you know so much that others don't?
Trick question, NOTHING. You don't know shit and you're just tryna hate. Keep going tho, this is top bait.

>> No.10656519

>>10651055
As a go engineer HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
this reviewer is embarrassing, how has he even got any attention on these reviews

> tfw when checking if a file is read only in Windows is production consideration
> tfw he ignores all the files being in root even though this means any holochain imports means you get the whole fucking codebase
> tfw the code he screenshots has fucking TODOs
> tfw he mentions interfaces as being a new standard, you know something that has been a standard for 30 fucking years

>> No.10656539

>>10656519
just to add, the code also has error checking that does fuck all with the error. Completely silenced errors, great work holo!

can't have shit code when your code doesn't output errors. Smart.

>> No.10656550

>>10656519
disregarding the review, what do you think of the code?

>> No.10656561

>>10651223
>if i rename user-centered into agent-centric, i'll grab the 110 iq dunning-kruger demographic
holocaustchain is the antshares of 2018, too bad for you retards this isn't 2017 anymore

>> No.10656571

>>10656550
any real code review and analysis takes hours and hours of looking and actually using the code. So based on that, I'm not going to say without actually spending the time.
Just from the screenshots, using interfaces is always good. The silenced errors not good and all files being in root, not good.
None of that tells me whether it's going to be a good network or not.

>> No.10656593

>>10656571
AWS killer confirmed, nice

>> No.10656655

>>10656593
I just glanced through their repo, not good. Any code base which has 4 nested layers of if/elses with muted handling just is lol

>> No.10656706

>>10656655
Muted handling is a PR away from being addressed (and is an obvious improvement) so that one doesn't matter.
Sometimes I prefer code that is long with nested conditionals. Messy, but if the business logic is all in one place then it's sometimes easier to understand. I dislike it when everything has to be 3-5 lines and logic is split among 10 different classes (over abstracted).

>> No.10656732

>>10656706
We need more coders looking into this. This is basically the best discussion on the Holo code I have seen here.

>> No.10656735

>>10656706
I see no PR that fixes it around every corner of the codebase. I see their last commit to develop was 26 days ago. I see over 200 issues raised with no discussion at all and no work being done.

>> No.10656747

>>10656706
also, any nested if's to me just scream bad design to begin with. As they're having to catch and cater for more edge scenarios that shouldn't be possible with the right design.

>> No.10656760

>>10656706
>I dislike it when everything has to be 3-5 lines and logic is split among 10 different classes (over abstracted).

Pajeet tier programmer detected.

>> No.10656776

Holo is to /biz/ what ripple is to normies.

>Hurrrr it only needs to go to 0.10 and I am a millionair.

This shitcoin says it will do a shitload of things and is overdiversified. Its basically a mediocre jack of all trades and a master of none.

>> No.10656784

>>10656760
>Pajeet tier programmer detected.

Not pajeet and I agree it's more stylistic than anything.

>> No.10656785

https://github.com/holochain/holochain-proto/blob/develop/ui/webserver.go
A
This is fucking hilarious. Terrible websocket implementation. String splitting to get the endpoint URLs (hahahaha). All the handler function within the start API method.
This code is hilariously bad. It's fucking awful and looks like it was written by a post graduate who's never had any actual engineering experience.

>> No.10656814

>>10656760
Not pajeet just been burned by Rails magic for weeks of my life in total.

>>10656785
I don't see anything terrible here. You want the handlers in a second file? What's the point?

>> No.10656831

>>10656785
Definitely not hilariously bad...

>> No.10656849

>>10656814
>>10656831
Well you guys are shit yourselves then, or atleast aren't familiar with go. It's bad.

>> No.10656870

>>10656849
> No reason given
> insults
Cool I see your point now thx anon

>> No.10656886

>>10656870
I'd check the above post which you quoted where I give numerous reasons. You're obviously not familiar with Go or building API's. Handlers should be handled with routers, you know the things that any basic Go tutorial goes into when you first learn how to build webservers with it.

>> No.10656898

>>10656886
Oh good point. I forgot how everything stops working if you don't use specific approved design patterns.

>> No.10656929

>>10656898
If you think that code is even acceptable for a project that's raised millions and is meant to decentralise the world, you need to go back to school.
All that code shows to me is complete immaturity and no real experience of managing and building large, maintainable and easily expandable systems.

>> No.10656975

>>10656929
Maybe we are at differing expectations. Code first and foremost needs to accomplish the objective. Anything beyond that is unimportant.
Holo's business model relies on proving the viability of the concept.
It can be rewritten, iff it needs to be.

>> No.10656988

>>10656929
Where is a good example then mate?

>> No.10657002

>>10656929
you do realize that code is just the proof of concept right?

The rust refactor is the production code

>> No.10657012

>>10656988
go-ethereum
parity-ethereum
chainlink
>>10657002
Not on their github

>> No.10657013

>>10656975
Who will I believe, a jelly skyfag, or the code reviewer that every major crypto begs to review their code that make or breaks their project, hates everything, and said Holo is a game changer

>> No.10657015

>>10656975
If you start writing without a proper structure it will be difficult to rewrite the thing later when it's in use, the easiest option being breaking everything down and deriving from beginning

>> No.10657022

>>10657013
I don't have one clue how this guy is in an authorative position to do code reviews. Either he's being bribed, or is just stupid.
Oh, and he's a software architect, the sort of people who don't know how to code but understand high level designs.

>> No.10657053

>>10651055
>really good code
>new standard kind of good
>this code is scary good
>I love this code
Totally doesn't sound like some faggot shilling his bags lmao.

Protip: Bitcoin and ETH code is pretty crap, especially during the early days.
It's not the "good code" that matters, at all. It's the underlying idea.

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>>10657012
https://github.com/holochain/holochain-rust

It's right here, how the fuck can you call yourself a coder if you can't even use fucking github??

>> No.10657207

The amount of salt from noholo brainlets is really bullish. r/buttcoin levels of smugness.

>> No.10657321

i hate sjw boomers as much as any guy with +90 iq. but come on guys. this is obv trx lvl moon mission

>> No.10657351

>>10657321
that's exactly whats funny. they don't get that many of us are trying to sound that alarm. this hits all the right buttons with normies... even if you don't believe in long term, the short term is basically at the bottom. there's nowhere to go down from here... only up. How far up remains to be seen.

>> No.10657516

>>10657351
>Global consensus is arbitrary.
And so is pretty much every single human convention. How does this diminish the significance of these human conventions? Misanthropy detected, Holochain is the devil.

>> No.10657597

Hahaha shills in defcon 1 damage control in this thread. Guess you didn't expect anyone to actually look at the code? Maybe stick to memes next time lol

>> No.10657631

>>10651055
>Fags in this post are actually reading code
>They actually think code matters

hello retards? Tron has been top 10 u fucking aboslute morons, its all about design, presentation and idea in crypto u fucking autistic coders lmao.

A team of the best coders in the world could come and create the aboslute best flawless crypto system ever and if their design and presentation is ass they will stay bottom 200.

>> No.10657634

>>10657597
Epic five minute code review that looks into what the code looks like rather than what it does.

>> No.10657853

>>10657631
Good idea to change strat. "Good code" isn't going so well.
>>10657634
Just lol

>> No.10657900

This coin about to moon so hard my boner will leak money goo

>> No.10658357

Boner bump

>> No.10658648

>>10657072
Was on mobile so it didn't show all their repos on the group. I don't know rust that well, so can't really comment.

>> No.10658755

>>10656975
Hahahah. No. But no worries - logic like this is why I make shitloads of money saving projects implemented by "coders"
with this kind of thinking. Thanks!

>>10657634
That's why it's called a code review, don't confuse with testing - different topics.

>>10657631
No.

>> No.10658979

>>10657631
tron is for retards, lots of retards in market = well peforming tron, every coin attracts their own capital, holo attrracts high iq capital, holo has found it's niche and did extremely well in a bear market

>> No.10659090

>>10653903
I swear this is a pasts, the other day in one of these threads another guy said he had 17 million and now ended up with 3 milllion

>> No.10659272

>>10658979
Don't kid yourself, both TRON and HOLO sit near the fat section of the bell curve

>> No.10659320

>>10658755
A developer shortage and your willingness to do shit work for hourly wages like a glorified slave is why you make money.
I've stopped giving away my dividend producing work a while ago for static pay.

>> No.10659428

>>10657631
Yes, I'm sure tron will be in the top ten six months from now.

>> No.10659557

>>10659320
Who said anything about doing work? I said I'm making money. But I'm not surprised you don't know the difference.

>> No.10659579

>>10651055
Holobumpu

>> No.10660382

>>10655416
Why Rust?

>> No.10660559

>>10659557
>I make shitloads of money saving projects implemented by "coders"
You did.

>> No.10660622

>>10660382.
You have a shit tonne of languages that compile to rust, and you can compile rust into web assembly.
TL;dr: it's insanely faster and platform Agnostic, you can now run a full holo node on a mobile phone.

>> No.10660963

>>10660559

Think about this a bit more, maybe you'll understand that there's more than one way to earn in software development.
But don't overexert yourself; This is above your paygrade.

>> No.10661204

>>10660963
Thinking about it and I don't understand how you can save projects without work.
Clarification is appreciated, thanks kind anon

>> No.10661312

>>10661204

You lead the saving efforts by playing Jesus and giving commands to trusty, faithful employees.

You can do no wrong. Suprising amount of money in desperation.