Just got banned from HOLO telegram AMA

[Anonymous No.10233851]

>selling holo ports that don't exist, for software that doesn't exist
>unlimited supply cap, so they can print fuel whenever they feel like
>working on the project for 10 years, alpha wont be out for another 6 months at least
>unoriginal idea
>ETH is going to scale before this gets its shit together, and then their cost argument will be worthless
>holo community thinks it will be the death of blockchain
>holo community provides no substantial arguments, instead they call me a troll, and tell me everything I said was false
>holo community thinks it is amazing that they can build apps right now..... centralized apps
this is obviously the biggest fucking scamcoin out right now

[Anonymous No.10233964]

>>10233851
KEK I hope so, you can't expect to become rich of hippies.

[Anonymous No.10233997]

>>10233851
I'm more optimistic about Elastos than Holo but you sound like a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10234010]

>>10233997
please go all in on holo. I beg you

[Anonymous No.10234039]

>>10233851
Another Erc-20 claiming it will dethrone ethereum! Into the trash and shitcoin pile it goes

[Anonymous No.10234046]

total shitcoin, be happy u got banned fren

[Anonymous No.10234060]

>>10234010
Why would I go all in? I hold some HOT because it's a good project but you, once again, sound like a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10234069]

>>10234039
calling it erc 20 fml
>>10234010
"Lanister" just checked your posts, some one is answering your question with a bad ass post, and you be like "dude, go call brianlet your peers you came from..." make post of complete sentences ffs.. trolls theese days, bleah.. low quality"
WTF

[Anonymous No.10234078]

>>10234060
what a turbo fag. sage

[Anonymous No.10234080]

>>10233851
I've tried to warn everyone here months ago. I feel no sorry for who fell for this.

[Anonymous No.10234097]

>>10233851
Muhhh why did they ban me muhhhh they didnt answer any question muhhhh
What a tard

[Anonymous No.10234102]

>>10234069
No thats not how it went and you know it. you would be able to see all the shit I said if you didn't delete it. but please, since you fags are here now, explain to me how you justify selling over 1000 holoports, something that doesn't even exist right now, for software that doesn't exist, and then please go down the line with some substantial arguments instead of spamming "false" and calling me a "troll". And not only did you sell them, but you actively promote them. AND THEY STILL DON'T FUCKING EXIST

[Anonymous No.10234108]

>>10234080
exactly kek. how could you miss the pump and dump was over ?? we sold our bags to the normies weeks ago check your discord

[Anonymous No.10234113]

>>10234097
that is the worst fucking response I have ever read. If they can just keep making fuel out of thin air, why would the value ever go up? its basic fucking economics

[Anonymous No.10234120]

Had to stop reading after your first bullshit line. Selling holoports that don't exist? Duh that's because they are being manufactred lol. When y oreorder your iPhone 8 before it comes out is that a scam too? And eth is gonna scale before Holo is out? Casper won't. Be happening for a year + my guy. Better to have bags of everything to stay safe, everything will blow up soon. There's more than enough room for everyone.

[Anonymous No.10234123]

>>10234097
how are the apps being made decentralized if there are no nodes up and running? you are making the apps on a server run by holo.

[Anonymous No.10234135]

>>10234080
>>10234113
bro's I sold at 250, and read the fine print on the holo ports. I just feel bad for all the people in their telegram who dont know what the fuck this scamcoin is all about

[Anonymous No.10234156]

>>10234135
>bro's I sold at 250, and read the fine print on the holo ports. I just feel bad for all the people in their telegram who dont know what the fuck this scamcoin is all about
Do explain the fine print then and what the actual scam is about since you haven't actually said anything of any value so far...if there are legitimate concerns then let us know otherwise you're just rgeurgitsting the typical copy pasta fud that goes around for ANY coin

[Anonymous No.10234158]

>>10234123
apps run on holochain, not holo, fucking brainlet. holochain already exists in alpha. holo is a holochain app and not needed to run other holochain apps

why am i even explaining this

[Anonymous No.10234171]

Lol I also got banned from WTC's telegram for calling it a big fucking scam when I was drunk and had invested 1000€ for the lulz.

The next thing I know is that I made a nice profit.

So thank you, now I will hold on to my millions of holo and buy myself an island.

[Anonymous No.10234185]

>>10234156
they removed it from indigogo, I cant try to purchase their scamports anymore. probably because people realized they dont fucking exist after they purchased it.

[Anonymous No.10234198]

>>10234171
please take out some loans and buy

[Anonymous No.10234210]

>>10234158
oh yea? and whats it running on? how many computers? do you know what decentralization is?

[Anonymous No.10234213]

>>10234185
>they removed it from indigogo, I cant try to purchase their scamports anymore. probably because people realized they dont fucking exist after they purchased it.
You're an idiot. The holidays indiegogo page is still there but it ended a while ago...so duh u can't buy lol wtf

[Anonymous No.10234227]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/holo-take-back-the-internet-shared-p2p-hosting-community#/

[Anonymous No.10234233]

>>10234198

The fun thing is that I took the loan for WTC and I'm not going to do that big of a risk again. Its these profits that gets me there or die trying.

[Anonymous No.10234236]

>>10234120
have they manufactured any yet? thats what I thought

[Anonymous No.10234246]

>>10234233
do it anon. if you believe in this project please go all in. you owe it to yourself

[Anonymous No.10234261]

>>10234236
>have they manufactured any yet? thats what I thought
It's manufacturing now. Since you don't seem very knowledgeable I will tell u that the lead time on this type of thing is 3-10 months.

[Anonymous No.10234262]

>>10233851
>>10234010
>>10234102
>>10234113
>>10234123
>>10234135
>>10234185
>>10234198
>>10234210
>>10234236
you probably wouldn't feel this obnoxious if you tried being true to yourself now and then instead of building your life upon lies, mr sold at 250

[Anonymous No.10234265]

>>10234213
yea but the part where it says its just a concept is gone. look you guys are obviously drinking the punch. I dont care, but dont sit there and act like anything I'm saying doesnt have merit. they have yet to manufacture any of this shit and they are selling it to people like they did. Its one thing doing an ICO its another thing doing an ICO and then selling hardware for software that doesnt exist. like how fucking greedy can you be

[Anonymous No.10234267]

>>10234246

Nahh, I don't owe myself anything but I'm 50% in this.

Oh yeah and I'll screencap this just to remind you when holo takes off

[Anonymous No.10234275]

Please keep fudding Holo , it's going to be that much more glorious when it literally blows most of these other projects out of the water and then ppl will be crying because they sold their stack for crumbs

[Anonymous No.10234276]

>>10233851
You probably got banned because even in this post you just said a bunch of non-sensical shit.

Holochain isn't competing with ETH, it's competing with what ETH originally said it was going to be, a world-computer.

Holofuel isn't fucking money and they say that everywhere. They even tell people it isn't for large settlement. It's for a cheaper AWS style service that is decentralized.

It's not centralized because you can just add peers currently so it's as centralized as you make it. To those who don't know there will be built in peers on the main network but you can still have a fairly centralized dApp on the mainchain because the dApp dev desides how many times it is made redundant on the network and they have math in the papers behind how that works if you care.

It's going to kill blockchain in terms of being any kind of "web 3.0" they aren't trying to upend being digigold

[Anonymous No.10234277]

>>10234262
oh you know I shilled this scamcoin here and then dumped on you pajeets. dont worry about that. like I said to the other holocultists, take out a loan and buy more please. actually mortgage your house if you believe in it so much

[Anonymous No.10234303]

>>10234277
You literally just spouted a bunch of low IQ shit because you don't know what it is and you are bitter. KYS faggot, life is going to be hard for you.

[Anonymous No.10234308]

>>10234265
>yea but the part where it says its just a concept is gone. look you guys are obviously drinking the punch. I dont care, but dont sit there and act like anything I'm saying doesnt have merit. they have yet to manufacture any of this shit and they are selling it to people like they did. Its one thing doing an ICO its another thing doing an ICO and then selling hardware for software that doesnt exist. like how fucking greedy can you be
Dude are you that stupid? Forwals? It's an INDIEGOGO crowdfunding campaign. The way it works is they show you a concept and supporters pay to have it manufactured. Yes they were selling a product that wasn't manufactured at the time. That's how it fuckin works lol dear fuckin god. Do you understand now?

[Anonymous No.10234314]

>>10234261
they cant ship or build this shit until there is software that it can support. try more like a year buddy

[Anonymous No.10234325]

>>10234308
they are selling hardware for software that doesnt exist. Its like selling you a computer that isnt manufactured yet without an operating system that supports it

[Anonymous No.10234327]

>>10234314
>they cant ship or build this shit until there is software that it can support. try more like a year buddy
They already have a working alpha tho...? People are building apps on it eight now. How the fuck u think they are building apps if the base later isn't out????? Durrrfff

[Anonymous No.10234335]

>>10234265
You just made a bunch of shit up and are mad that it isn't true.

The software does exist, the mechanisms exist, and the fucking idiegogo clearly said that they are taking the money from to go manufacture the servers. So no one is drinking the fucking kool-aid.

[Anonymous No.10234342]

I got banned too for asking how much holofuel will be in circulation and I was very polite about it, the admins in that group are retarded and cancerous. The worst part is that I still hold way more holo than most of those retards that probably sold over 200.

[Anonymous No.10234352]

>>10234335
oh the software exists? so i can run a holo node right now on my computer?

[Anonymous No.10234370]

>>10234265

yeah its next-level of greedy. lol. skycoin is another scam trying the same. sage and ignore.

[Anonymous No.10234374]

>>10234277
that's sad to hear, you didn't even aknowledge anything i said and just continued lying to yourself. this is the usual behaviour of the lowest iQs in our society. stop being bitter and start recognising how good life can be to you if you do something for it

[Anonymous No.10234395]

>>10234342
unlimited supply my friend. the devs will be able to print as much as they need whenever they want, to keep the cost of running the network low and to buy more dope. what they should do is use the money they got from the ico to buy some shoes and take a fucking shower

[Anonymous No.10234408]

>>10234374
bro, I could buy back in at a lower price right fucking now and have double what I sold 3 months ago. don't worry about me buddy, I'm just trying to warn the rest of these people who think this is a legit project

[Anonymous No.10234623]

>>10234352
bump, I want to see this software that exists so I can run a holo node

[Anonymous No.10234700]

>>10234623
https://github.com/holochain/holochain-proto

Here you go. As I said before you establish your peers on your own here faggot and then in the beta it will automatically do it. The beta comes when the holoports do because they are going to act as your peers.

This is fucking retarded because you are asking questions like all of the other FUDers in this thread that have been reasonably answered? Still don't like what you have heard or don't understand it (like your ethereum comment) then step back and shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.10234716]

>>10234623
And because you are dumb and probably don't know how the DHT works when I say you establish your own peers that means that you are a node alone that has to manually connect to other nodes, this is so that you can test your dApps.

ITS FOR DEVS TO TEST THEIR DAPPS

Then morons like you can join in later to mine when the net goes live and auto connects everyone.

[Anonymous No.10234720]

>>10234080
>"I feel no sorry"
Pajeet detected

[Anonymous No.10234746]

>>10234720
Mexican. And I will steal your job, burger.

[Anonymous No.10234797]

>>10234700
>>10234716
>developers only
I have a big boy job. let me know when these hippies get off the couch and actually make something that works

[Anonymous No.10234811]

>>10234746
tell your cousins to stop coming to the US and fix your own shit

[Anonymous No.10234842]

holochain = top 10 coin by end of 2019

[Anonymous No.10234843]

>>10234797
No you stupid faggot it does work. You can run it all and your program over it. ffs you are a fucking retard. Also, whatever you big boy job is it must be pulling weeds because you have no understanding of any crypto or p2p technology as you have shown.

I make 200k a year in the bay doing ux and you are just some fucking FUDing idiot. Stay poor poopoopajeet.

[Anonymous No.10234897]

>>10234797
>big boy job
like a retarded manager who has no grasp of what the "little guys" do and makes shitty decisions based on his arrogance and ignorance thinking he is the shit but he is just shit but still keeps his job and gets a promotion because the corporate system is shit, shit

[Anonymous No.10234917]

>>10234897
Nah he is a county worker in West Virginia that has to pull weeds along the highway. The job was given to him after he got out of jail for raping his male dog. It's sad but true. OP just emailed me all of that. Don't make fun of him too much

[Anonymous No.10234919]

>>10234843
>>10234897
nice LARP faggots. tell those greedy hippies to get their shit together and maybe Ill think about downloading your scam node

[Anonymous No.10234941]

>>10233851

took you that long to figure out it's a scam?
this was quite obvious, if you did your own research

[Anonymous No.10234977]

>>10234917
actually I make $400k a year selling dildos to your mom

[Anonymous No.10235004]

>>10234941
Oh yeah why is that?

[Anonymous No.10235040]

Just LOOK at all these fucking idiots. Litteral morons who can't be fucked to do any research. Hayy lets look at a picture and watch a 5 minute youtube. Now im a Holo expert and can tell you there's no way it can succeed. A legit Indiegogo project for a real product that's currently being produced. MUST BE A SCAM. I mean, no proof, but CMON, LOOK AT THE FEET!

The sad thing is this place has so many lemmings that this fud has actually impacted people and they actually believe one of the most legit projects to appear in a long time is a scam. Meanwhile these same idiots probably think EOS or ETH is a real "computing" system. The actual complete lack of understanding of technology and how its implemented is mind bending.

[Anonymous No.10235070]

>>10233851
Top 10 coin. If EOS can get to #5, you better believe this will.

Have fun trying to fud this when it hits 15 cents.

I just bought into this coin, I've wanted to own it since May... It was a bit high, but I suspect it can easily do a 100x.

[Anonymous No.10235094]

>>10235040
what are you gonna do when your tokens are converted to holofuel brainlet? how are you going to trade or participate in the market then? what exchange is gonna support your muh internet 2.0? keep holding those bags... fags

[Anonymous No.10235105]

>>10235094
they cant even get listed on a decent exchange. thats how you really know this project is fucked. even decentraland is on binance....

[Anonymous No.10235596]

The more you low iq idiots try to fud Holo with blatant lies (which get shut down quickly) the more you actually legitimize the project. You're sad attempts at fud by straight up lying about shit that's easily refutable is actually helping the project. Keep it up, plz.

[Anonymous No.10235610]

>>10235105
>they cant even get listed on a decent exchange. thats how you really know this project is fucked. even decentraland is on binance....
The ico ended 2 months ago lol.... Wow no big exchange in 2 months. Must be a dead scam project. Imagine being this dumb guys...

[AssBlastersMaster No.10235611]

>>10235596
>muh fuel
>muh internet 2.0
how the fuck you gonna sell your shit fuel even if the devs finally get off their lazy asses and make something that works?

[AssBlastersMaster No.10235618]

>>10235610
nice try ranjeet it has been longer than 2 months. time must fly when you are holding bags as heavy as yours

[Anonymous No.10235619]

>>10235611
>>muh fuel
>>muh internet 2.0
>how the fuck you gonna sell your shit fuel even if the devs finally get off their lazy asses and make something that works?
An exchange? Just like how everyone else sells their coins. Is that too much for your pea brain to comprehend?

[AssBlastersMaster No.10235632]

Just admit it. You retards invested in an internet version of socialism. you basically donated your money to developers who are just gonna print as much fuel as they need to fuel their drug induced hippie coma

[Anonymous No.10235638]

>>10235618
>nice try ranjeet it has been longer than 2 months. time must fly when you are holding bags as heavy as yours
Oh shit, you're right.. 2 months and 13 days. My baddddd. Keep trying lil man

[AssBlastersMaster No.10235642]

>>10235619
hey ramqueef, your internet 2.0 wont work with exchanges unless they are running on your shit network.

[AssBlastersMaster No.10235654]

>>10235638
we are in July genius thats 1. April, 2. May, 3. June and almost halfway through July. Im counting 3 1/2.

[Anonymous No.10235709]

>>10235654
>we are in July genius thats 1. April, 2. May, 3. June and almost halfway through July. Im counting 3 1/2.
You have to be trolling now. Did you pass high school algebra bro? Ico ended April 28...end of April. Dear God, learn to add plz.

And they can sell the coins on any exchange get just like they already do with so many different coins. How the fuck u think they are selling nano eosxlm money etc??? They are all different coins using their own platforms. BAKA I'm going to buy more Holo just because of your autistic level fud.

[Anonymous No.10235798]

>>10235709
Counting ico fag. I’m sorry of course they just sat around for a month and watched the money come in and didn’t do anything with it

[Anonymous No.10235809]

>>10235709
Do you also know how their scamtoken is going to work? Cause it obviously seems like you don’t

[Anonymous No.10235815]

>>10235632

This is what /pol/ truly believes.

[Anonymous No.10235853]

>>10235815
No this is actually what it is. They may as well be Chinese with their hyperinflation bullshit

[Anonymous No.10235874]

>>10235798
>Counting ico fag. I’m sorry of course they just sat around for a month and watched the money come in and didn’t do anything with it
They can't list the coin on an exchange if they are in the middle of the ico brainlet. Are you this retarded in real life also?

[Anonymous No.10235896]

>>10235874
They could have at least started talks with exchanges during that time. And got listed soon after. Don’t worry ramqueef, I’ll make sure to post another holo thread update in a couple of weeks and I bet they still won’t be listed on anything decent because decent exchanges know that these hippies scammed you

[Anonymous No.10235993]

>>10235896
They're focused on development and then organic growth of the network once it launches. I guess you prefer pumping the price for the sake of pumping the price. You should buy back into Tron.

[Anonymous No.10235997]

>>10233851
threads like this are fucking useless bro, stop spreading unbased fud bro. I think you are just trying to justify a decision you took right now. You would've moved on already if you really did sell at 250. now get the fuck out faggot

[Anonymous No.10236066]

>>10235997
You are right. I’m getting tired and I said what I wanted to say. For summary:
>holoports still don’t exist, neither does the software
>holo is down close to 75%
>holo fuel has no cap and developers can print as much as they want whenever they want
>holo fuel will not work on exchanges unless they are running on their network
>holo is at minimum a year away from a working mainnet after being in development for 10 years
And finally my favorite:
>they hired a intuitive eye reader as their “culture coordinator” just so you fags know where your money went

[Anonymous No.10236477]

>>10236066
So much of this post reeks of willful ignorance/deliberate misinformation. I honestly can't tell at this.

[Anonymous No.10236555]

holofags in damage control mode as they realize the whole project is still vaporware and going to be so for months to come

[AssBlastersMaster No.10236602]

>>10236555
trips of truth

[Anonymous No.10237604]

>>10233851

Why are you a faggot?

[Anonymous No.10237715]

>>10233851
>36 posts by this ID
Yikes

[Anonymous No.10237893]

https://holo.host/whitepapers/
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/holo-take-back-the-internet-shared-p2p-hosting-community#/
https://github.com/Holochain/holochain-proto/wiki/FAQ
https://medium.com/h-o-l-o/holo-the-evolution-of-cloud-computing-57a0a281b88b
https://medium.com/h-o-l-o/holos-erc20-token-hot-and-mutual-credit-cryptocurrency-holo-fuel-6d8b6d3938d6
https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applications-d2ac1e4f25ef
https://medium.com/h-o-l-o/agent-centric-digital-identity-5314d507f0ab
https://blockonomi.com/holochain-guide/
https://steemit.com/crypto/@elysium-renegade/an-extensive-review-of-holochain-a-different-kind-of-cryptobeast
https://hackernoon.com/wtf-is-holochain-35f9dd8e5908
https://cryptobriefing.com/holochain-code-review-and-distributed-computing-thoughts/
https://smartoptions.io/hodl-that-12-beam-me-up-holochain/
https://www.ouishare.net/article/fixing-the-internet-how-holochain-wants-to-change-the-way-we-interact
https://www.ouishare.net/article/holochain-the-beginnings-of-a-brave-new-internet-vol-ii
https://www.investinblockchain.com/holo-promether-partnership/

[Anonymous No.10238017]

>>10233851

Weak fud. I literally went through the development tutorials last weekend (Dapp dev here). This shit will replace everything else, (except Ethereum for a few reasons), which Holochain can operate as an offchain resource for anyway. I'm seriously dropping all my long term holds, all masternodes, shit like Chainlink etc is all worthless when this hits main net, it makes everything else obsolete.

>tfw /biz/ pump turns out to be the most important innovation since Btc itself.
>tfw bought early to flip, made a x10, now reaccumulating in a bear market and getting ready to start releasing Holo Dapps on mainnet launch.

[Anonymous No.10238060]

>>10236066
>t. wasted dubs

>print as much as they want.

That's not even close to how it works brainlet. It's a totally different model to Crypto token issuance.

>intuitive eye reader

Oh please, /biz/ literally jerks off to sigils to make Linkies moon. A boomer new ager is probably a good thing, for balance or something.

>other shit

All debunked. I can't even be bothered.

[Anonymous No.10238078]

>36 posts by this ID
What the fuck

[Anonymous No.10238150]

>>10234797

I love how retarded that exchange was. He literally posted a link to the repo, and you're like "REEEEEEEEE it doesn't exist!". Wow, that's just the worst pajeet tier fud ever. Seriously, go be a Lambden shill or something haha

[AssBlastersMaster No.10238275]

>>10238150
I love how the link to the repo of something that doesn't even completely work right now is the only argument you pajeets have made while completely disregarding everything else I said in this thread. even when they do get it working, the fuel wont work on an exchange, and the developer can create as much as they want to keep the price down to provide "muh affordable internet", I don't know why I wasted so much time in this thread but it was funny and your combined arguments made me laugh. I mean shit, half of you don't even know what the fuck the token does, or what supply and demand is.

[Anonymous No.10238662]

>people still fall for the holobrain meme
Jesus you guys are retarded. The token will be practically worth approximately as much as the electricity used for sharing the computer resources, IF, BIG IF, the shit was to work. It makes literally no sense buying the token now because its probably hugely overvalued

[Anonymous No.10238811]

>>10238078
Hey man pajeet shilling is a full time job show some respect

[Anonymous No.10239060]

>see OP's post
>hmm, this is weird, the Holo team is usually very reasonable. I wonder why he got banned.
>read all OP's posts
>realize he's a full blown retard that has no idea about anything he's talking about and at this point it's impossible to determine if he's that retarded or just fucking with us
nothingtoseehere.png

[Anonymous No.10239163]

>>10239060

to be fair the whole holo telegram is fucking delusional and behaves like a cult. every reasonable and valid criticism is shot down immediately by brainlets or admins. if they can't refute your criticism they ignore you at best and start posting unrelated gifs and videos until the discussion changes to some new topic. otherwise they ban smart critics right away. its worse than skycoin lol. there is no real discussion going on only delusional shilling - braindead echo chamber kek

[Anonymous No.10239285]

>>10239163
nice bullshit that you throw for the normies to eat up. I bought this shit at ICO and did extremely thorough research because I'm very careful with my money and I don't buy shitcoins.
Absolutely every single question that I had I found an answer to. There's literally 0 FUD about this project that is not entirely made up or just a retarded misconception.
>hurr durr people in the Telegram were mean to me because I was asking the same retarded questions that were already answered 100 times already in Mattermost chat, Reddit AMAs, whitepaper and greenpaper, FAQ on the site, Medium articles, Github, etc.

You're the same species as the retarded OP. You bought something that you don't completely understand, sold it for a profit and for some reason you are still lurking around this project and posting in threads telling everyone it's a scam. Really makes me think. You sure waste a lot of time with a project that you sold a long time ago that you believe is a scam. Very noble of you.

[Anonymous No.10239467]

>>10239285
wrong i left the telegram group voluntarily after selling. everyone sold, it's down like 75% from ICO already, what a start kek. this thread is just being bumped constantly so it shows up in my fucking feed - i won't reply anymore. one last thing, i can reassure you there are questions that you won't get answered. they only answer everything on a very superficial level to keep the normies calm. not my fault if you can't come up with the real (=uncomfortable) questions after doing your "research". maybe start being more skeptical, stuff doesn't have to be true just because it's written in a whitepaper. sage

[Anonymous No.10239527]

>>10239467
I'm 100% sure I did more research than you. We can prove this in one simple way. Ask me one of those "real questions" so I can BTFO you. I'm waiting.

[Anonymous No.10239549]

>>10239467
>it's down like 75% from ICO already
wtfamireading?
I think you bought bags from a pajeet at ATH and he lied to you it was the ICO
PS: still waiting for those REAL questions

[Anonymous No.10239570]

>>10239527
>>10239549
what is hyper inflation? and why can the developers make more fuel whenever they want? how will holo fuel be traded when the network goes live? why were they selling holoports during ICO, a concept hardware for software that doesn't exist?

[Anonymous No.10239691]

>>10239570
>what is hyper inflation?
look up the definition in a dictionary. If you're implying that holofuel will have hyperinflation, you also need to look up the definition of "mutual credit". You can't have hyperinflation in a mutual credit system. Your misconception is related to your next question

>and why can the developers make more fuel whenever they want?
they can't.
There isn't a button that the developers push and create more credit. Every host in the network can create credit but it's determined algorithmically based on many factors. There is no central entity or person that creates more credit. Read the fucking AMA's and whitepapers cause I can't quote you all the official answers here with 2000 characters limit.

>how will holo fuel be traded when the network goes live?
on existing exchanges and probably another one that will be created by the devs. You've probably been brainwashed to think that holofuel can't be listed on exchanges. This is wrong. It's not harder than listing IOTA. The team said they won't pay exchanges millions to list it. If the exchanges want to do it, the devs will provide support.

>why were they selling holoports during ICO, a concept hardware for software that doesn't exist?
that's how crowdfunding works, shithead. Someone already answered this. How is this even a question? Also look up who bought those Holoports. It's mostly burgers and chinks cause they couldn't participate in the ICO. Why don't you go tell them that they can only buy holoports once the network is live, but they have to wait a few months for delivery and in the meantime the team is forced to launch software to keep the network up on regular computers and the holoport buyers get dicked. The holoports are the base foundation for this network and assure a minimum of decentralization and computational power to boostrap the ecosystem. In the first weeks/months it will run mostly on them until regular PCs or even real datacenters get in on the action.

[Anonymous No.10239753]

>>10239691
alright, good answers. so the fuel that will be created is credit, a separate system that will eventually decrease and not actual fuel that will increase the total supply? selling holoports for software that doesn't exist is still ridiculous. they don't need holoports if the software can run on an average computer and will be released before the holoports even ship. that shit was a money grab. and if the fuel has no access to exchanges when the network launches, what is going to determine the value of the fuel?

[Anonymous No.10239754]

>He doesn't have pocket change to throw into the Holo chain to get at least 100k coins
/biz/ sure is poor.

[Anonymous No.10239760]

>>10239754
na I sold 4mil at 250. tyvm

[Anonymous No.10239806]

>>10239753
>alright, good answers. so the fuel that will be created is credit, a separate system that will eventually decrease and not actual fuel that will increase the total supply?

for a brainlet, you are almost correct on this. Arthur Brock described more like a wave that cancels itself out in the end.
"When a community has a new need, it empowers people by "minting" them currency through a mutual credit transaction. The debt expresses a personal or communal need, and the credit expresses empowerment and mandate to take action in meeting that need or creating what is needed to meet that need.

The currency created this way can be earmarked or specified in various ways such that it is publicly known or maybe spendable only for the intended purpose. So, as it passes from hand to hand, it is passing through a meaningful chain of interactions from the need to having the need met. This closes a cybernetic loop which results in the need being met.

At this point, the community or individual has what they need, and the original loop may subside like a crashing wave, and fade back into the background."

>and if the fuel has no access to exchanges when the network launches, what is going to determine the value of the fuel?
there will be an exchange at launch provided by the team. The value is determined by the computational power in the network. The market should quickly adapt to the true value of the fuel.
- 1 holofuel buys me X amount of computational power.
- computational power in the network doubles
- 1 holofuel now buys me double the computational power
- the market reacts to this and adjusts the price to reflect the value that the fuel buys

>that shit was a money grab.
if they wanted to do a money grab they wouldn't have capped the ICO at 25 million. The ports not only provide the foundation for the network but they also worked as a benchmark to establish the value of holofuel at ICO

[Anonymous No.10239854]

>>10239806
also another misconception that was fueled by some faggot on the team with a stupid statement in a Medium article. People think that this expanding supply will outshine the normal supply when in reality it will be far from it. The concern is that hosts will sell fuel on credit and then fuck off. Congratulations, you just killed your golden goose. It's basically the same scenario as Amazon charging clients for hosting and then shutting the entire company down so they can run with a few hundred millions when they could continue to do what they do and make billions.
It will take months or possibly years until you increase your reputation as a host that allows you to credit others a significant amount. By that time you'd have a well established business that you'd want to milk instead of exit-scam for peanuts. A shit host can do 0 credit and it must earn a reputation for reliability to be able to do significant amounts of credit.

[Anonymous No.10239859]

>>10239549
not sorry for not checking shitcoin price movements daily. it was just an estimate. the truth is there are a bunch of poor souls who bought our bags at 200+ "close after ICO" who are at least 60% down... amazing returns

here's a little breadcrumb for you to think about: how can something be value-stable, if the underlying hardware that backs the value constantly loses its value? do you really think the computational power of your holoport will be worth the same infinitely?? as time passes, better hardware (cpu, ram, etc) will come out = overall hosting prices go down (not just in holo's ecosystem) = holoport can't compete anymore. this doesn't affect server hosting that much, but holoport owners gonna get fucked eventually. and the list goes on, people are to dumb to critically question things these days.

[Anonymous No.10239903]

>>10239859
this was your real question?
It boils down to Moore's Law and how it will affect the holoport buyers?

As I've said before, the holoports are there to bootstrap the network. It won't be powered by holoports forever, obviously. 5 years from now we'll have datacenters that provide hosting for holo and probably 0 holoports active.

>So the holoports buyers are getting dicked, right?
No. The holoports buyers will reap the rewards for being early adopters and probably make a shitton of money.
- I have my holoport running 24/7 for 6 months
- I earn a fuckton of holofuel because there isn't much computational power in the network at first so people have to pay more holofuel for computations
- more computational power comes in the network in the form of regular PCs, servers, data centers
- I start earning less holofuel because of this, but the holofuel that I accumulated is now worth 5x-10x-100x

Holoports are money-making machines for the early adopters and the best thing that could happen to them is to be replaced by sophisticated and cheaper hosts in the network to push the value of the fuel they accumulated in the beginning much higher

next question

also read up on the tokenomics cause it's obvious that you don't actually know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.10240017]

>>10239903
>this was your real question?
obviously not, this was just a little breadcrumb. my real questions are mostly related to tokenomics and take a lot more time to discuss in-depth.

> It won't be powered by holoports forever, obviously.
Then why wasn't that communicated more openly? I bet a majority of backers doesn't even know and would reconsider buying one under these circumstances. If you want more fuel, why not directly buy HOT at the ICO, right? It doesn't make sense, except for the whole private sale to include US. The private sale was also a disaster, so dumb they didn't have the private sale and the indiegogo simultaneously, to avoid the FUD and massive sell-offs kek. but that's a different topic.

Also, there will be more hosts than necessary in the beginning (too many hosts, very few dapps) so you actually earn less HF not more - that's what the developers expect. My main point remains however, if you want to earn HF you don't need a holoport and I think it is shady to rush people into buying one who don't know better.

thqh i don't have the motivation to discuss further questions, as you couldn't really refute my first one already - you more or less had to agree. sage

[Anonymous No.10240164]

>>10240017
stop replying to these cultist faggots and let them lose their money. The upside movement in value and price of the token is severely, and intentionally capped. This is the fact which these idiots refuse to acknowledge or do not understand.

[Anonymous No.10240174]

>>10240017
I see, the problem is that you're literally an illiterate retard, you could have read the whitepaper or the greenpaper, you could have read the countless replies to your inane question,you could have checked out their github, shit you could even have watched this video showing you how to get install the software and start developing your own dapps.


But you're just plain simply too much of a narcissistic illiterate and retarded so you just assume that if you can't understand something then it doesn't exist.

I'm actually happy you think this is a scamcoin, you're just too fucking stupid to deserve to make it, my only concern is for the gullible idiots that will follow you to the end of a rope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-SokPfbuuM&list=PL-DN3J_HsMZjRWyR_3vIIYPnx2Mt4FkOv&index=4

[Anonymous No.10240207]

>>10240017
holy fuck you are dumber than shit. I literally explained everything there is to explain and you still don't get it.
It's ok. This project is actually hard to understand and that should keep the retards away for a while. Good thing this board is a wasteland and I can actually educate brainlets here without pushing the price up. If the traffic around here was the december levels, I wouldn't even have bothered to reply to you.

Your questions are mostly related to the tokenomics because you don't actually understand shit. You don't understand mutual credit, you don't understand currency backed by computational power, you don't understand why holoports are extremely profitable for the early adopters.

>My main point remains however, if you want to earn HF you don't need a holoport and I think it is shady to rush people into buying one who don't know better.
And every single person that bought a holoport already knew that eventually they will be replaced by normal PCs and server-grade hardware, yet they bought them because they are not retards like you and understand the value:
- plug and play
- minimal electricity cost
- earning tons of holofuel in the early days because they will be the only thing that powers the network in the beginning
- selling the holofuel earned for huge profits

And to dispel this "shady money grab" bullshit once and for all. The cost of all the holoports was around 1 million dollars. The profit margins on them were minimal and the team probably made around 50k $ in profit or less.
WOW SUCH A SCAM! THOSE GREEDY BASTARDS!
Not only did they cap their ICO at 25 million while Hashgraph (which is inferior tech) values itself at 3 billion, but they also made 50k from selling these scam holoports. The nerve on these guys.

[Anonymous No.10240256]

>>10240207
with all that background knowledge you have i almost get the impression you're a team member kek, are you paid for this shitshow kek. please stop wasting your time on image boards if my guess is correct and do real work.

back to topic: maybe you aren't autistic enough to see where this project is headed, so no point in arguing further. let's call it a day!

[Anonymous No.10240307]

Most of crypto is a scam. You have something that was meant originally to be a means of p2p currency, trying to be expanded into a "new internet". We have people here who actually are a cult in their belief that blockchain technology will actually be the future of distributed computing. You guys need to wake up and do some research into Holo.

[Anonymous No.10240326]

>>10240256
My replies are not only for you, bucko. They are for the brainlet lurkers that believe every bullshit they see on /biz/ and then regurgitate it in other threads around here, much like you are doing right now. I'm all for FUDing with the intention to accumulate cause I actually want to buy this dip today or tomorrow, but there's a difference between FUD and being retarded and uninformed. You're the latter.

[Anonymous No.10240365]

>>10240326
I've been eyeing your shitcoin for months, I enjoy the spectacle. Waiting for 3 or 4 sats.

[Anonymous No.10240388]

>>10240365
>Waiting for 3 or 4 sats.
unlikely to go that low. The support was ironclad last time it dipped. I'll buy at 5 if it goes that low or even at this level if the support is too strong.

[Anonymous No.10240439]

I've had arguments with the people in the telegram before, but never got banned.
If you got banned you were probably spouting shit like an idiot.

[Anonymous No.10240877]

>>10240307
>>10240388
look at this cope lmao. sage

[Anonymous No.10241156]

>>10233851
sjw and boomers är trustworthy, they wont lie to you unlike chinks.

[Anonymous No.10241171]

>>10241156
are****