/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.10169073]

The income inequality is 500$

[Anonymous No.10169091]

>>10169073
Tax the rich 50% and their nethworth on the paper is suddenly 0 and they pay less then they do now.

Why are common people so fuck stupid.
Those fucker are poor because they are stupid.
No matter how much money we transfer to the poor, they will always be poor.

And fuck UBI while I am at it.
The rich will only become richer sonce the poor fucking faggots will waste money on even more stupid stuff.

[Anonymous No.10169105]

>>10169073
How about tax everyone 15%, no matter what their income bracket is

[Anonymous No.10169147]

the laffer curve is real though.
anyone who talks about the tax rates in the 50s or whatever is taking you for a ride.
there were even more tax loopholes back then, and a much smaller percentage of the population actually was in that higher tax bracket.

meaning basically no one was paying that much, and those who were had no collective bargaining power to lobby against the taxes.
Now they do.

[Anonymous No.10169430]

we should just tax everyone at 1% of their net worth every year

all parasites who just sit on money and land will suddenly have to use it or lose it

[Anonymous No.10169459]

>>10169430
but then the government is the parasite..

[Anonymous No.10169548]

>>10169091
>Tax the rich 50% and their nethworth on the paper is suddenly 0 and they pay less then they do now.
What.

[Anonymous No.10169551]

whoa 6000 dollars a year...... dont spend it all in one place, goyim

[Anonymous No.10169563]

>>10169548
Tax me 50% and I'm gonna use every possible legal way to decrease my future gains.
Simple as that.

TAX THE RICH does nothing.

[Anonymous No.10169585]

>>10169073
The real answer is lower taxes to 0
End government completely and things will drastically improve
We need a free market and true price discovery in stocks, bonds, commodities, and interest rates.
We need competition in money
Any other answer won't work and is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic for anyone who's not already wealthy

[Anonymous No.10169588]

>>10169563
lol yes it does

tell the police to take a gun to their head and threaten to gun them down if they try dodging taxes via shit like offshore accounts.

[Anonymous No.10169592]

>>10169563
kek fuck off with this koch propaganda

[Anonymous No.10169601]

>>10169563
>Tax me 50% and I'm gonna use every possible legal way to decrease my future gains.
You do know you sound like a retard.

[Anonymous No.10169610]

>>10169073
Capitalism is not to support the weak, this guy gets pegged by his wife and goes to work the next day with a smile, don't trust him

[Anonymous No.10169615]

>>10169459
They can invest in infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.10169695]

>>10169588
>>10169592
>>10169601
There are corporate forms where you have to pay 50% tax already above 100k gains.
And there are forms where you have to pay way less and there are other options with 1% tax.

Going full 50% tax or more just leads to more and companies going full "fuck you taxes" right from the start if they think they will get some serious gains in the future.

There should be taxes but the media forcing the "tax the rich heavily" meme is stupid.
Untax the poor and middle class.

[Anonymous No.10169744]

>putting the dollar sign after the number

[Anonymous No.10169825]

>>10169430
this +++ would solve all first world problems

[Anonymous No.10169899]

>>10169430
This .... this doesn't sound that stupid to be honest senpai

[Anonymous No.10169932]

taxing the "rich" is merely a way to increase the gap between john the doctor down the street who will pay his taxes and rabbi shekelstein the 9 figures millionaire who will have elaborate financial constructions to pay just $10000 a year
see any western european country with that level of taxation
any super wealthy person who wants to give any % of their money to the state can do that right now. somehow this never happen, and instead they go on talk shows and argue the state should take money from other people at gunpoint

[Anonymous No.10169940]

>>10169105
That's the italian government flat tax idea, it's shit unless you are rich

[Anonymous No.10170428]

>>10169940
In what way is that tax structure shit? Seems fair to me. 15% is fuck all. How is it fair that someone who makes $30k pays 15% of their income to taxes while someone who makes $100k pays 30%, and even more so if someone makes $400k+, then we're talking like 40%+, which is the main motivation for tax evasion.

[Anonymous No.10170473]

>>10170428
Did you keep in mind the tax brackets?
only from x to y € the specif percentage is due, not overall.

30% on 100k sounds nice
between 18 to 31k its 35% and between 60-90k its 48% and above 50% here.
Of course I do everyone to lower that "somehow"

[Anonymous No.10170484]

>>10169105
The patrician answer. Fuck socialism.

[Anonymous No.10170610]

Hmm seems there isn't a solid solution.....
5 percent from everyone seems fair desu and is loads of money. It's just the us spends so fucking much on military ffs.

[Anonymous No.10170637]

>>10169091
Right. Give the poor $500 amd they will go spend it on rims for their car or something.

[Anonymous No.10170658]

>>10169588
>u mek moar munnies so i can tek it or i shoot u

[Anonymous No.10170668]

>>10170473
Yes, tax brackets are bullshit. If the government told me to hand over 50% of my money I would start looking into evasion. The percentage you pay shouldn't go up as your income goes up. Flat rates seem like a logical and fair approach

[Anonymous No.10170731]

>>10170668
>If the government told me to hand over 50% of my money I would start looking into evasion
I would start looking into reducing the population. Sometimes cutting expenses is the only solution. If the overpopulated number of poor people is becoming a black hole on your personal finances, you have to get rid of them. I would send in an invasive species (Africans). Then when they have reduced your population for you, you can more easily get rid of them than you could your local population. There are many social, economic, and ethical reasons you can't just commit open genocide. It would be cruel. This was you are actually helping foreigners have a good life and even the people who are adversely affected ny this will praise you.

[Anonymous No.10170823]

>put all my millions on the blockchain
>spend my money in a country that doesn‘t want to steal from me

[Anonymous No.10170825]

I used to make 140k/year. Because I get taxed at 30% I said fuck it, only work 5-6months and not work the rest of year. Now I noticed a lot professionals are doing this and living in Thailand for 6 months of the year

[Anonymous No.10170978]

>>10169073
This faggot isn't a co-founder of Facebook kek.

> In the Zucc's dorm room
> begs him for a role and shares
> gives him job of "communications director"
top kek
> quits the company at IPO
> walks out with 500 Million
> triggered because he could have been a billionaire
>goes around saying he knows how to fix income inequality
> recycles old ideas already trashed by based economist
> thinks getting rich = winning the lottery

Trump get rid of this fool

[Anonymous No.10171018]

>>10169105
>>10169940
this is 100% how it works in Hungary (except some 22% social security but that tops out @ ~2000 euros), 15% flat rate

i like it, but that's because my income is generated abroad. when you run a supermarket, for example, your income prevents other income kind of being generated/taxed. if you shut your shop down, someone else will build another one because people need to buy shit and people can sell shit.

i think it's more fair to tax different kind of income differently, like how singapore has 0% tax on income generated abroad.

[Anonymous No.10171061]

>>10169073
>now that I have all my money, tax anyone who works at 50% so that niggers don't storm my mansion and kill me
Oh no no no. This guy needs to sit on a cactus then kill himself. Unless he's willing to donate 100% of his own money to the government and then get on the programs himself. He needs to shut the fuck up right now.

[Anonymous No.10171169]

>>10170978
Zucc wouldn't have given him a role if he just begged. He's smarter and more well of than you will ever be

[Anonymous No.10171191]

>>10169073
>The income inequality is 500$
a month, pretty big difference

[Anonymous No.10171206]

>>10169091
This.


We have poor neighbors, and these stupid faggots buy a new phone each year. (the newest which is 50% less worth in 1 year)

[Anonymous No.10171265]

>>10169430
We already have this. It's called inflation.

[Anonymous No.10171333]

>>10171169
http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-cofounder-chris-hughes-fateful-conversation-with-zuckerberg-2018-3?IR=T

are u mad because you won't get 500 bucks for being a NEET?

[Anonymous No.10171351]

>>10169091
the problem isnt entirely rich people. the money is devauled so you have to have lots of it to be rich. the truth is inflation is the reason why we are all poor.

[Anonymous No.10171377]

>>10169551
Just enough to keep buying all the new apple products to stay socially cool and in

[Anonymous No.10171393]

>>10171351
There is and ever will, be the issue that many people do not know how to handle their available funds.
No matter how much money they will get they will always be poor, so to say.
Due to lifestyle, not saving some money, buying the latest shit and spending it on stupid stuff.

[Anonymous No.10171463]

>>10170610
>spends so fucking much on military ffs
This is just not even true. The budget is split into required spending, which is the majority and is mostly spent on social security, medicare and "safety net" programs. The bigger problem with everything the government spends money on is that a lot of it get wasted due poor logistics, friends of friends charging extra, etc

[Anonymous No.10171579]

>>10169073
I don't know what you're trying to say with your first sentence, but you're spot on about poor people being stupid and thus, the reason they are poor. I'm on welfare right now while studying at uni (in Aus) but because I manage my money properly, budget properly, keep my spending in check etc. I have a nice little stack of savings and have a really comfortable lifestyle and I can buy whatever I want as long as I budget for it. When I graduate soon and have a decent income I'll be comfy af. I've seen the way poor people spend their money. No matter what government programs you give them, training you give them, handouts you give them or whatever they will always be poor because they are pathetic with money, and just in general I would guess low IQ.

[Anonymous No.10171595]

>>10171579
Sorry, that was meant for:
>>10169091

[Anonymous No.10171602]

Funny how someone like this fag will recommend taxing other peoples money to pay for the dumb fucks. But is never willing to just give all his own money away.

[Anonymous No.10171652]

>>10171595
The first sentence was a phrased to fucked up.
What I meant was, that if you start to tax the rich heavily, they will say "fuck you" and move the weatlh abroad, invest in a way so they can't be taxed so heavily or using any other legal way/loophole to not pay taxes.

@ poor people
It is the same when they win the lottery or suddenly become like 1 million $/€ in any way.
A year later they are piss poor again.

[Anonymous No.10171654]

>>10171602
Not even all is needed, he could give >90% of his wealth away and still be amongst the rich. Truly a faggot

[Anonymous No.10171706]

Taxing the rich won’t work, we have to literally seize all their money and property and guillotine the ones who don’t give it up willingly

[Anonymous No.10171727]

>>10169430
>What are property taxes?

[Anonymous No.10171780]

I'm in favor of eliminating income taxes entirely. Your having money doesn't prevent anyone else from having it. I propose a single tax on land (and not improvements to land) and redistributing revenues equally amongst all citizens, for the simple reason that your having land does prevent me from having it, and land values are a result of existing features (i.e. a gold deposit which is not created by anyone's labor) or by the community (high value urban land). As was pointed out above, land speculators can depress property values of everyone around them by not improving their land, while relying on the labor of others to improve their property value.

Ending speculation on land (which no man created) and ending taxation on labor (which is entirely created by one's own efforts) is the key to harmony in economic policy.

[Anonymous No.10171844]

High income taxes mean it's harder to become rich, but people who are already rich stay rich. It's just a way to ensure the current oligarchy isn't disrupted by new money. That's why a Facebook co-founder is pushing it.

[Anonymous No.10171850]

>>10169588
>cops are IRS mercs
wat
>if they have offshore accounts
enjoy having 0 businesses left in the US then

[Anonymous No.10171878]

>>10169430
>>10169899

No rich person is "sitting on their money." Its invested in companies that make products and employ people you complete idiot.

[Anonymous No.10171924]

>>10171265
Underrated post.

[Anonymous No.10171933]

>>10169105
terrible idea

[Anonymous No.10172125]

>>10169073
>implying the free market would not immediately expand to accomodate the increased money gibs

[Anonymous No.10172140]

>>10169091
>Those fucker are poor because they are stupid.
>No matter how much money we transfer to the poor, they will always be poor.
Unironically this. I come from a poor family, am poor myself, and even I know that poor people will always be poor because of their mindset and the decisions they make with their money.

[Anonymous No.10172167]

>>10172140
That's why I am so against UBI.
But if this will be really forced to the people, I'm getting rich as fuck by taking the money from all those who are eager to spend it.

UBI is only helping those wo are already rich.

[Anonymous No.10172213]

>>10170637
Man, I sell rims! Gonna' b a billionaire

[Anonymous No.10172215]

>create an entire underclass of parasites
>be surprised when the rich conspire to have them all killed
Nothing I hate more than a fucking communist. I'd take a nigger living in my house over a commie

[Anonymous No.10172339]

>>10169073
does this little faggot even realize that there are some richfags that actually pay ppl to kill other ppl?
because there are. there is a 0% chance this kind of 50% taxation on the rich is ever going to happen.
the super richfags will hire ppl to literally kill the fags shilling it. screen cap this, u kno im right. power is money ,money is power.

[Anonymous No.10172390]

>>10169588
lol, great idea
sets a wonderful example for anyone who was thinking of trying to produce any great amount of wealth in the u.s.!

fuck all taxes
the size of the government should be limited to what they can reasonably charge on tariffs

[Anonymous No.10172423]

>>10169073
You have to be a real fag libtard to equate income inequality with real poverty. Also
>lmao just give them like $500 a month
Can you imagine being this out of touch with the underclass?

[Anonymous No.10172430]

>>10170825
That was my fucking idea.
Don't take it from me.

[Anonymous No.10172453]

>>10172167
Yeah
All UBI does is make you dependent. Someone else owns you. You're eating their scraps. I wouldn't mind an extra $500 a month, but at some point as you become more and more successful it becomes more expensive to have that extra $500 because you're just getting taxed more to pay for it. So success is punished and poverty is subsidized. What could possibly go wrong?

[Anonymous No.10172456]

>>10171780
Good post

[Anonymous No.10172693]

>>10169073
Tax the rich 50% and they all get pissed and flee the country. Now you have no money to redistribute AND you're left with the bottom barrel of society. Good job

[Anonymous No.10172912]

>>10169147
Not to mention, people who did make that kind of money back then paid Capital Gains taxes, not income taxes, so their rate was still sub20%

[Anonymous No.10172925]

>>10169073

based

[Anonymous No.10172960]

>>10169105
How about paying a flat, market determined fee for the government services regardless of your income? Can't afford the fee? Then get the fuck out somewhere else.

Socialists can go suck a dick.

[Anonymous No.10173271]

>>10172960
This is actually a pretty good idea desu

[Anonymous No.10173301]

>>10169073
Rich is already taxed at 50%.

[Anonymous No.10173726]

>>10173301
top marginal tax rate is 37%

[Anonymous No.10173747]

>>10172693
Rich were taxed at 90% during the 50's and 60's when there was actually a middle class

[Anonymous No.10173762]

What if we keep the current system in place but allow people to overpay as much taxes as they want. That way virtue signalling niggers can put their money where their mouth is.

[Anonymous No.10173779]

>>10169073
The wealthiest people only pay a capital gains tax of 15% a year on their dividends. If you're hoping to make it big in crypto, then you shouldn't want this to change because you benefit from it

[Anonymous No.10173797]

>>10169073

[Anonymous No.10174080]

>>10171265
that is just a tax on currency holdings, which rich people dont have much of

[Anonymous No.10174089]

>>10173797
You aren't entitled to a home or education

[Anonymous No.10174099]

>>10174089
you arent entitled to a police force or a court system

[Anonymous No.10174153]

>>10174099
except you are

[Anonymous No.10174181]

>>10174153
>muuuuh rights muhfuckuh!!!

[Anonymous No.10174189]

Saying this publicly should be worthy of execution

[Anonymous No.10174222]

>>10169585
>End government completely and things will drastically improve
actually everything will go to shits real fast. what anarchist don't understand without government there is no justice. without justice the world is a pretty shitty place to live in where your neighbor can rape-murder your family if he wants your home for himself.

[Anonymous No.10174224]

>>10170637
God forbid we should fix national debt by taxing rich folk and letting poor folk spend money they didn't have before anyway.

[Anonymous No.10174232]

>>10169430
I unironically want this. Do you realize how many people would buy crypto to hide their net worth? Bitcoin would easily be worth over a million

[Anonymous No.10174263]

>>10169610
Oh my God, I want to have that lifestyle.

> Get dominated by your wife in bed
> Have otherwise normal life

[Anonymous No.10174294]

>>10171265
It's only a tax on USD holdings. It doesn't actually tax real estate or equities

[Anonymous No.10174315]

Question for all those advocating for 0% (or very low) taxes:
How is the government going to pay for all the things it already has a hard time paying for right now with non-low taxes?
Where will the money come from?

Because surely it's going to be extremely hard to reduce the expenses to the point where the country can still funtion with less/no taxes.

[Anonymous No.10174336]

>>10174222

Yep, mfw that little anarchist cuck is exactly the type of person who benefits the most from government's protection. Without it he would instantly become some mob boss's bitchboy lol.

[Anonymous No.10174406]

>>10174315
There should be taxes but not universal free gibs for people who will nothing but a drain on society and never contribute anything.

>>10174336
As soon there is anarchy, those wo enabled it are the first one that will die and most likely some natsoc-like group will fill the void.

Or go up to the next antifa faggot, fuck him up good and tell him to call the cops or the ambulance. In his perfect world there are no cops, so fuck him up more.

[Anonymous No.10174412]

>>10169073
and.... i'll emigrate.

The poor are poor for a reason, fuck em

[Anonymous No.10174429]

>>10174406
>There should be taxes but not universal free gibs for people who will nothing but a drain on society and never contribute anything.
I agree, but the amount of taxes is a different matter than how the money from them gets wasted on leeches.

[Anonymous No.10174452]

>>10174089
>>10174099
I was talking about hyper inflation you fucking retards holy shit.

[Anonymous No.10174467]

>>10171878
Um,wrong dumdum. We have houses sitting empty as investments while there's people struggling to pay rent.

[Anonymous No.10174468]

>>10174315
Read 'The Sovereign Individual'

[Anonymous No.10174481]

>>10169073
oh boy, cant wait to see how many fucking useless brown people flood our fucking country then

[Anonymous No.10174491]

>>10174468
Is this about the belief held by those people who think they can be above the law because they're "travelling" so the police can't talk to them?

[Anonymous No.10174674]

>>10174491
No. This book published in 1997 tries to forecast implications of transition from industrial age to information age. Among other things they predicted the emergence of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is a non-confiscatable, hyper-mobile bearer asset and a store of value (unlike nation-state fiat). That means governments will have a hard time collecting taxes from high net worth individuals as they move their value into Bitcoin over time.

There is a lot of stuff laid out in the book, read it.

[Anonymous No.10174706]

>>10174674
This assumes that Bitcoin will be mass adopted by normal people and will become stable enough for this to not be a crazy idea, which is still very difficult to happen.
Other than assuming special scenarios will change society for such taxless system to work, how are countries going to pay for shit without taxes?

[Anonymous No.10174754]

>>10169430
This is already done through inflation and property taxes
What youre not taking into account is that "using it" is fairly easy
Buy solar panels, install them, pay them off
I have now circumvented your try to steal my private property

[Anonymous No.10174766]

>>10169563
Just take out loans so assets and liabilities add up to negative amount

[Anonymous No.10174777]

>>10169585
This is the correct answer

[Anonymous No.10174829]

>>10169899
>>10169825
Here is why its stupid:
Who decides your net worth? Lets say you own housr+land. Who says its worth amount x?
Thats right, a government official/conpany that works with the government does. Now isnt that wonderful? Every year, a person in a suit comes over, looks at your house, and goes
'it will be amount x this year, mr"
No amount of arguing, for example in a recession, or housing market bubble, will help you. You need to cough up 1% of your guesstimated net worth.
You fucking idiots are just asking the government to become more corrupt and to fuck you even harder. Would the rule also apply to eoderly xitizens who own a house? Sure, make then pay. Take it all, and then let the government sit on it and let it wither. Nice.

[Anonymous No.10174871]

>>10170823
This is correct. Europe and the euro will go to shit/inflated to save the broke countries. Thats why i chose crypto assets. A 80% loss is favourable to the pending sovereign currency crisis

[Anonymous No.10174872]

>>10169073
Better idea: how about we sterilize the poor? Poverty eliminated within 1-2 generation.

[Anonymous No.10174893]

>>10174829
What about 1% of liquid/easily liquidable assets like stocks?

[Anonymous No.10174910]

>>10172167
The thing is that UBI would totally remove the need for welfare, that's how it's supposed to work. If you spend your UBI money the wrong way, it's your fault and no government will help you. In the long run it's also less of a burden compared to welfare.

[Anonymous No.10174912]

this is really just taking into account the average amount taken from people that should have been paid it in the first place

[Anonymous No.10174931]

>>10174910
>In the long run it's also less of a burden compared to welfare
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.10174935]

>>10171706
And then we elect a council of assholes who destroy all that wealth in a couple of years
Rinse and repeat

[Anonymous No.10174961]

they arent solving UBI. UBI should probably be on top of this if im being serious. but only to those that need it. taxing people that cant afford to eat is pointless. you will lose that money in the prison system that you create and in the reduction in the labor pool. believe me people would work for fair pay

[Anonymous No.10174980]

>>10171780
Wow
Very insightful. I might have to change my mind on this. Issue i see is how land is valued, as there is no objective value here.
My gramps owns land in the middle of nowhere in portugal and theres literally a couple ofange trees and the rest is open field/forest. He invest the bare minimum to keep it clean (forest fires major problem) but wouldnt be able to sell in current market. Who would tax hin what amount based on what?

[Anonymous No.10174990]

>>10174706
>how are countries going to pay for shit

It's not gonna be taxless, taxes just become optional. If you can earn high income from anywhere and you can store your value in Bitcoin, why would you stay in high tax socialist shithole? High income is correlated with high IQ. High IQ people can do the math and know when they are being fucked by current monetary and political system. Bitcoin adoption starts with them.

High income earners pay disproportionate share of collected tax. When they exit the system, the welfare states go bankrupt. Since you are so curious, consider reading the book. And pick up The Bitcoin Standard after you are done with TSI.

[Anonymous No.10174999]

>>10173762
>implying virtue signalers are not the most hypocritical people in the world
They wouldn’t pay a dime.

[Anonymous No.10175000]

>>10174893
People would move all into other assets
Or hide in gold
Assume that taxpayers are opportunistic

[Anonymous No.10175004]

>>10174872
approved idea, see
>>10173429
>>10173375
>>10173338

>>10174910
of course, as soon as there is UBI, every single welfare has to be cut.
But now there are people on special social things that can't survive on UBI (health issues and old people with a special person to take care for example).
Now you have to have some special programs AGAIN for some people and now you have to decide where to draw the line for this.

>>10174829
yeah, on a later thought I already stumbled upon some issues.

[Anonymous No.10175010]

>>10174754
>>10174754
how did that make any difference whatsoever? those solar panels would be included in your property value and thus networth

[Anonymous No.10175080]

>>10175010
They generate income
Anyway i agree eith the idea of taxing idle money/property. I just wonder hoe that value would be determined, and i guess it would be "independent consultants" that visit you and tick boxes on a list, such as "roof in square meters", "fertile pasture", "access to fresh water" and then forget to lube you up before giving you a random amount you need to pay, right now, or they just take it all
Remember that every right you grant the gov to tax means there will be thugs enforcing shitty laws

For example income tax. Friends father owns a business, an industrial scale laundry. He pays himself minimum qage, and thus pays almost now income tax. He juggles money and always stays in debt so that he pays as little tax as possible. At the same time, his son is using gov subsidized electricity to mine cryptos on comouters bought on the companies account, so they cost 20% less. Go figure.

[Anonymous No.10175124]

>>10175080

Sales tax is the most honest way IMO. Even if illegals are in the country, they still need to buy food, toiletpaper, etc.... That way at least everyone is chipping in. Rich would be taxed more that way because they buy more expensive shit and more shit in general. Seems the most fair way to me.

[Anonymous No.10175138]

>>10174990
I agree that having high taxes ends up in less money for the government (Robin hood and all that), but that's not what I'm arguing for.
All I'm saying is that if you don't have taxes in a reasonable amount (not socialist level but not 0% either), how will you pay for stuff?
If taxes are optional, nobody is going to pay them.

If as you said, Bitcoin got mass adopted enough to allow for rich people to fully evade their taxes with it, you can bet your ass it's going to be regulated in a way that allows the government to still tax it, or it's going to be outlawed (meaning only the underground world will use it and its value will drop to shitcoin-levels, making it useless as a long term solution).

>>10175000
But not everyone will do that.
A lot of people will always have stocks and liquid money, so it's better than nothing.
You could even make it so only people with a net worth above a certain treshold will be taxed.

[Anonymous No.10175162]

>>10175124
Don't tax income, tax when buying.
That's also an interesting idea. People working and getting payed illegal are not relevant anymore since they will be taxed when buying stuff.

[Anonymous No.10175177]

>>10174294
real estate has real estate tax lol.

[Anonymous No.10175182]

>>10175162
congratulations, you invented VAT

[Anonymous No.10175203]

>>10175182
Well yeah duh
But way higher to counter the now missing income tax.
Meh, those with lower income will also be fucked.

[Anonymous No.10175225]

>>10174931
This argument has some merits. Imagine you wipe out 99% of bureaucracy regarding welfare. All systems designed to check whether people deserve to get this benefit or that benefit, an army of people enforcing rules and processing individual cases. All the laws and updates to laws regarding various benefits. All this bloat gone, poof, just send some cash to everyone and delete everything else that is useless. Maybe it's not so bad.

[Anonymous No.10175238]

>>10169073
>One of the dumbest people working at Facebook that basically had nothing to do with its creation but were just lucky to be a part of it says stuff that will never happen to make the liberals using the platform happy

Ayy, what's new?

[Anonymous No.10175262]

>>10175162


Flat tax across all sales and no income tax would cut out a lot of loopholes as well.
If illegals come in and use the health care system, at least we know for sure that they have to chip in that way.

[Anonymous No.10175266]

>>10175203
the ultimate red pill is to live in high-tax socialist country (Europe), spend money in USA (No VAT), and be a tax resident of UAE

[Anonymous No.10175276]

>>10175203

At least the low level trash and people using all the gibs will have to contribute SOMETHING. Hell of a lot better than nothing.

[Anonymous No.10175290]

>>10174872
really dumb idea. less slaves means higher wages, means you won't have any servant class and have to eat your shit yourself

[Anonymous No.10175301]

>>10175262
Kinda silly we have infrastructure in place to guarantee all citizens pay into PPACA but no mechanism in place to guarantee those who use benefits actually contributed.

[Anonymous No.10175310]

Robots are going to render most jobs obsolete. They are trying to make upward mobility impossible so the slave class stays the slave class.

[Anonymous No.10175325]

>>10175290
There will alway be poor idiots.
Right now we have tons of 3rd world people doing absolutely nothing.
Getting rid of them and we are back to normal levels and good distribution of poor/middle/higher class.

[Anonymous No.10175355]

>>10175310
not just that, but a century ago if you could lift and carry stuff you were employable. compared to today where you need actual qualifications education and training to do the lowest level jobs. and the bar gets higher and higher every year. more and more someone has to learn and understand to be employable. and this will inevitably result in large portion of population be simply unemployable from birth and genetics alone and even some lucky ones will fall sideways in their education...

we will get to the pareto rule of 20% producers providing for 80% of the population eventually. something must be done or there will be widespread poverty even starvation. ubi tries to solve this it also tries to help economy and commerce by including as much of the population as possible. the idea itself is not stupid or inherently evil it's a necessity due to technological and scientific advance.

[Anonymous No.10175365]

>>10175301

Exactly, that is why there needs to be checks and balances. But since that shit is so labor intensive. The only thing that would fix it would be the flat, sales tax. Even the poor need to buy food, drinks, diapers or whatever. It might actually help the health care system because so many low income slobs wouldn't be able to afford to drink soda all day.

[Anonymous No.10175389]

>>10173271
Nice, and also they can keep raising the fee as well until only the super wealthy can live in America and it is just prestige at that point.

[Anonymous No.10175391]

>>10175355

UBI is too expensive. Y Combinator, a startup incubator, is going to run a UBI trial in Oakland, California, providing individual participants with $1,000-$2,000 a month. A $2,000 a month per head of household UBI would cost an estimated $2.275 trillion annually

[Anonymous No.10175407]

>>10175391
yeah but again the alternative cost in a countries gdp when 80% of the population is not participating in it is debilitating.

[Anonymous No.10175410]

>>10175124
It is, but it also requires enforcement because its the nost easily avoided tax when one owns a small enterprise, and most immigrants buy food clothing hygiene etc from small shops. Its not perfect. Id like energy and water to be taxed. Its scale economies that are best regulated by the gov, and they also allow for registries of citizens. Its easy to sell bottled water without tax, its almost impossible to build water supplies without public knowledge of such projects.

[Anonymous No.10175413]

>>10175365
Dude, they will continue to consume literally poison.
They have to eat shit because they are poor and "can't afford healthy food".

[Anonymous No.10175445]

>>10175391
Robots make things cheaper. There is a huge markup on a lot of things that will either lead to a slave class being indentured servants or UBI which will lead to a different kind of slave.

Robots are terrifying in their societal implications because the only thing stopping cabals and well-connected people from dominating the world forever was that they would inevitably go too far and get murdered by the population.

Robot police and robotic guards don't care and will gleefully murder the population if they are ordered to. Jets can't hold and occupy an area. Robots can and will do so effectively.

[Anonymous No.10175463]

>>10175138
In a future where nobody knows what wealth ab individual holds the only applicable tax is on consumption of public goods such as water. Governments use their scaling abilities already to build monopolies, its just the records of consumption that are easily fucked with. Think of systems where not taxing the individual is the norm, but rather taxing buyers of publix goods. Which would be companies, cities, etc.

[what the hell is happening No.10175487]

>>10175463
Living offgrid and self-sustainable would be a double win-win then?

[Anonymous No.10175500]

>>10175225
Except it's gonna take so much more money, and make a lot of people who would otherwise go to work to not starve, dependant on UBI, so the number of leaches increases and the productivity decreases.

[Anonymous No.10175517]

>>10175463
I doubt this is going to happen anytime soon.
Cryptocurrencies have too many disadvantages for regular people to be ever stable or reliable enough to be used like that.

[Anonymous No.10175529]

> Tax
> Give free
I would be happy if they just said loot from the rich everything you think you deserve. At least stop pretending this shit are gifts that come from generosity.

[Anonymous No.10175600]

>>10175310
once robots will be able to do human jobs, we ll have lefties crying in the streets "Stop Robot Slavery" and robot uprisings.
it's interesting though how humans just have to have slaves. it's almost as if slavery is natural

[what the hell is happening No.10175637]

>>10175600
They already made sex roboters say no when it is not in the mood.
A mass genocide if liberals is due.

[Anonymous No.10175659]

>>10175600
They already made sex roboters say no when it is not in the mood.
A mass genocide if liberals is due.

[Anonymous No.10175670]

>>10169073
You think it's a joke, but this is literally the retarded shit that orgs like the IMF and World Bank base their "poverty reduction" graphs. People in the lowest income groups have seen stuff like income increases of 70%!!! Wow, that's like, a whole dollar for Pajeet bathing in the Ganges. Meanwhile, the top owners saw real gains that were huge. Gains that afforded them ownership of more assets, more companies, more politicians, doomsday bunkers and attempts at immortality. But Pajeet got a dollar, what progress.

[Anonymous No.10175674]

It was pretty hilarious to find out the Beatles really were taxed 95%.

[Anonymous No.10175683]

>>10172960
lmao, one Oктя́бpьcкaя peвoлю́ция coming up as ordered. You will now be killed or thrown penniless in the gutter. Thank you come again.

[Anonymous No.10175743]

>>10175138
So the governments of the world suddenly all work together and are going to ban Bitcoin? You seem to think that governments are cooperating entities. They are adversary.

Rich people and productive people will ditch the freeloaders (welfare collectors, pension collectors, politicians, bureaucrats) and move into jurisdictions (mainly city-states), where they pay adequate amount for the services they require. Of course the dying nation states will take measures to prevent this. They will fail.

[Anonymous No.10175807]

>>10175743
>So the governments of the world suddenly all work together and are going to ban Bitcoin? You seem to think that governments are cooperating entities. They are adversary.
Only a couple of major countries need to do it for it to crash.
And it's obvious that if it's going to be THE way people will use to evade, most countries will outlaw it or find a way to tax it.
The fact that they are adversaries is irrelevant when they all want the same goal in this case.

>Rich people and productive people will ditch the freeloaders (welfare collectors, pension collectors, politicians, bureaucrats) and move into jurisdictions (mainly city-states), where they pay adequate amount for the services they require.
That's a gigantic assumption based on scifi.
Mainly because most people don't share this view of the world, so they won't even want to do that even if it was possible.

[Anonymous No.10175833]

>>10175410

Maybe that is where blockchain technology and crypto would start coming into play. Cashless society

[Anonymous No.10175854]

>>10175413

Can't afford healthy food? I am talking about drinking water (generally free) over drinking soda (must pay for).

[Anonymous No.10175855]

>>10175683
>the world in 2018 is the same as in 1917

[Anonymous No.10175858]

>>10169091
You arent wrong, a lot would just move the same way they moved their business headquarters out of the country.

[Anonymous No.10175891]

>>10172453
what it does is solves a real problem we will be facing, there will be no low end jobs due to automation soon, and since
>>10172140
believes poor have to be retarded to be poor, for a good 50+ million people this is it, this is all they have and its going away and no amount of training will get them to be better.

What would happen if we had a ubi?
In the short term, it would force employers to pay people enough to want the job, not as little as possible because what are you going to do, starve?
In the long term, heavy taxes on automation soul supplement employes, sure a burger king job it will largely break even, but trucking? heavy machinery? even taxed at minimum wage per hour for each worker they replace with a robot, that comes out to cheaper then employees themselves.

unless you advocate the murder of what would it be, 6billion or so people because they can't work anymore because there are no jobs for them, ubi will be a huge issue going forward.

[Anonymous No.10175892]

>>10175445

That way into the future. UBI at this present moment is too much. They are better off decreasing the population of the country to make that work. Getting rid of Illegals spamming the social net and make it difficult for citizenship. 300+ million people is enough for now.

[Anonymous No.10175927]

>>10175854
Have you ever had a depper discussion with someone who does these things?
Have you ever seen Idiocracy?
> water? the stuff out of the toilet? lol are you crazy?
it comes close

>>10175858
I'm about to get self employed.
As soon as I see that I will have some better income I'm gonna switch the corporate style asap. Getting taxed 38% after some little gains, hell fuck no (it will even fuck me harder since the crypto gains will be added on top and that will hit the 50% tax mark pretty fast)

[Anonymous No.10175966]

>>10175807
They will not evade. They will outright pack their shit and leave, with their net-worth stored in unconfiscatable store of value, accessible from anywhere and transferable to anywhere.
The people who don't care about the poor and have a distaste for the welfare state will do this first (they are already doing it). Now the productive taxable pie is smaller. So we have to squeeze it more, or print more money. Either way you incentivize another wave of productive people to leave the system. Its a spiral of death.

There will be smart governments that will take advantage of this. You will see new Singapores popping up. From fishing village to a mega-city in 30 years.

>Mainly because most people don't share this view of the world, so they won't even want to do that even if it was possible.
Most people are useless parasites, so of course they see it differently. Look up Pareto distribution. Majority of value is produced by tiny minority. I wonder how that minority feels about being abused by leeches.

[Anonymous No.10175980]

>>10175927
>> water? the stuff out of the toilet? lol are you crazy?

Honestly, how much does it cost to add one of those water filters to a sink nowadays? Like 5 bucks a month? You act like all the people of the world deserve to drink Evian water.

[Anonymous No.10176017]

>>10175966
>their net-worth stored in unconfiscatable store of value
no such thing as long as you live in a physical world. meme ones and zeros backed by a bunch of NEETs wont' get you anywhere. goons, weapons, food, land and some good old violence will. That's why Peter Thiel is dreaming of escaping to the floating island made out of plastic bottles.

[Anonymous No.10176041]

>>10175980
Na I didn't meant it that way.
It's somehow that the really poor and stupid are... are just to stupid to consume a glas of tap water, just tap water.
At least it has to be some mineral water bottled up in plastic and carried home all the way.
Im speaking of europe here where the water is fantastic on 95% of the places.

[Anonymous No.10176083]

>>10175966
>They will not evade. They will outright pack their shit and leave, with their net-worth stored in unconfiscatable store of value, accessible from anywhere and transferable to anywhere.
Leave to where?
If the US outlaws Bitcoin and crypto, it will certainly tank and become useless for anything other than black market purchases.
Moving to another country woun't make them have a different Bitcoin that hasn't tanked.

>The people who don't care about the poor and have a distaste for the welfare state will do this first (they are already doing it).
They will only do it in case there are draconian taxes.
In case of normal taxes they won't in any significant capacity.

>Now the productive taxable pie is smaller. So we have to squeeze it more, or print more money. Either way you incentivize another wave of productive people to leave the system. Its a spiral of death.
This scenario you're talking about, is the one of normal taxes we have right now, or a hypothetical scenario of super-high taxes?
Or it's what you think will happen when Bitcoin becomes the norm and people will flee so they won't pay the current taxes?

>Most people are useless parasites, so of course they see it differently.
I'm talking about normal productive people.
Not the lowest poverty tier plebs.

>I wonder how that minority feels about being abused by leeches.
Not bad enough to abandon the first world to live in new taxless countries based on fucking crypto and other libertarian bullshit.
In fact, most people who work and pay taxes, see it as a necessary evil without which the government couldn't be able to afford to pay for infrastructure.

And you still haven't answered my very first question.
You keep dancing around it with irrelevant stuff, and still won't tell me how the country is going to pay for roads, hospitals, schools, etc without taxes.

[Anonymous No.10176084]

>>10175892
>Illegals spamming the social net
how the fuck would that work?
>yes sir i need welfare
>your social security number?
>don't have one sir i'm not here legally
>alright here you go then take mones!

[Anonymous No.10176094]

>>10176041
>It's somehow that the really poor and stupid are... are just to stupid to consume a glas of tap water, just tap water.

If they are that stupid. It would probably be better for the human race in the long term for those peeps to die off and not breed. For the sake of the collective human race.

[Anonymous No.10176143]

>>10176094
>It would probably be better for the human race in the long term for those peeps to die off and not breed.
but they don't die and will breed like rats that's how poverty works. see any shithole ever!

[Anonymous No.10176173]

>>10176143
LETS IMPORT A FEW MILLION MORE!
They are all high skilled workers and we need them!
Thanks merkel.

[Anonymous No.10176209]

How would paying workers more and capitalists less help the following:
- price of food
- price of health care
- price of shelter
- price of education
- price of transportation

?

People who make 100x or 1000x the wage of the people at the bottom are not eating 100x or 1000x as much food, driving 100x or 1000x as much, in need of 100x or 1000x surgeries (though they may actually be able to afford them), or getting 100 or 1000 college degrees per person.

You just pay the people at the bottom more and that money will go directly into purchasing more basic goods, raising prices.

If we want to make a better world for the people at the bottom, we have to increase the supply of those things. Not increase the amount of purchasing power of those who demand them- prices will simply adjust until the amount of those things produced and distributed is in equilibrium with the amount of dollars demanded of them, which is still going to leave people hungry, uneducated, unhoused, lacking medical care, etc.

You can't get around the problem of there not being enough stuff for everyone by tossing more dollars in the crowd so more people can compete for the same limited amount of stuff. If the amount of stuff doesn't change much, then the number of winners and losers won't change much. You just have to have more stuff.

[Anonymous No.10176219]

>>10169147
>anyone who talks about the tax rates in the 50s or whatever is taking you for a ride.
this is true

[Anonymous No.10176232]

>>10169430
>>10169825
>>10169899
Why would you want to destroy SAVINGS, it's the lifeblood of the economy.

Doing what you are doing would result in MALINVESTMENT which is really bad.

[Anonymous No.10176235]

>>10176173
wat? are you high or something?

[Anonymous No.10176255]

>>10175670
but even if the super rich gave all of that money to everyone else it would simply cause INFLATION

also where do you think the super rich are getting their money from?
CENTRAL BANKING

[Anonymous No.10176256]

>>10176232
What about only applying it to people with a net worth above a certain treshold?
This way you wouldn't take money from the middle class, and you'd just affect those who hoard millions.

[Anonymous No.10176276]

>>10176256
>What about only applying it to people with a net worth above a certain treshold?
that's retarded and just causes inflation

let them keep their money, they are keeping prices down so capital is cheap for companies that want to start businesses

you need savings and investment, it's a natural balance and if you fuck with that you end up with the nightmare shithole we CURRENTLY live in

[Anonymous No.10176286]

>>10169563
>Tax me 50% and I'm gonna use every possible legal way to decrease my future gains.
LOL

So you'd turn down further gains to not pay taxes?

In practice, you only pay each tax rate on your earnings past a certain value.

[Anonymous No.10176308]

>>10176083
First:
>tell me how the country is going to pay for roads, hospitals, schools, etc without taxes
There will be taxes, however if the taxpayers are suddenly customers (because they can choose where to be taxed) instead of cows to be milked, it changes the dynamic. You now have to compete to attract people with money, so the taxes have to be adequate.

>If the US outlaws Bitcoin and crypto, it will certainly tank
Yes, it will tank. And it will keep working regardless. And the adoption will continue. What's your next move?

>They will only do it in case there are draconian taxes.
I don't know how you are taxed, but where I live, I pay 45% directly from paycheck. Then another 22% on each purchase. You think that is not draconian? That shit compounds over your life. Its the difference between retiring as a well off millionaire and scraping by to even afford decent health care.

>This scenario you're talking about, is the one of normal taxes we have right now
See above. We don't have normal taxes.

>most people who work and pay taxes, see it as a necessary evil without which the government couldn't be able to afford to pay for infrastructure.
That's right. Because they are fucking idiots. Smart people (i.e. the most productive) can see they are being fucked over.

You can think whatever the fuck you want. This is not a political debate. It will happen and you can either take advantage, or be very angry and powerless couple decades later. If you have open mind, read the fucking books. Thats it.

[Anonymous No.10176314]

>>10176276
But it's "just" 1% of, let's say, net worth over 5 millions.
Hell, make it .5% or .25% even.
Not enough to make a noticeable difference for them, but enough to add a significant amount to the economy from those who just hoard.

[Anonymous No.10176317]

We desperately need a FREE MARKET to fix the problems in the western world.

[Anonymous No.10176334]

>>10176314
>but enough to add a significant amount to the economy
the money is ALREADY in the economy you brainlet
it's keeping prices down

what do you propose people do with the money?
What if they don't have actual business plans? What if they plan on spending it on poor investments(which makes society poorer)

you keynesian idiot

[Anonymous No.10176339]

>>10176235
> but they don't die and will breed like rats that's how poverty works. see any shithole ever!
The EU is importing millions of these shithole people into the EU.
They will never contribute since they have no education and are sub 80 IQ.

We already have enough people no one needs in the near future,

[Anonymous No.10176346]

i got a better idea just tax the rich 50% and then build homeless people houses for free and then i dont give a FUCK what you do

i really dont

you can revert the taxes back once they all have houses

this is the only thing i care about

[Anonymous No.10176374]

>>10176346
but that's not going to help homeless people at all

it will just dramatically increase their food prices

why dont you people understand basic economics?

The way to lower housing prices is to abolish central banking, abolish most housing and zoning regulations and lower taxes.

let the price of homes come down

[Anonymous No.10176397]

>>10176374
>they have a house
>it doesnt help homeless

yes it does you shill
i know it would help me when i was homeless

their food is taken care of we have food stamps

and they can still beg and have a platform atleast for getting a job

i agree remove central banking and regulations im not dumb

[Anonymous No.10176399]

>>10175927
Good one you. Self-employed or cryptoneet is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.10176406]

>>10175310
prices will come down and a massive service sector industry will replace these jobs lost

also working hours will go down but wages will rise

[Anonymous No.10176409]

>>10176374
abolishing central banking means beeing hostile a certain group of people.
So step a little back there little hitler.
There are special rules to prevent these things to happen. Ain't wanna spend some time in the jail mate, right mate?

[Anonymous No.10176424]

>>10176397
>yes it does you shill
How does raising the price of their food help the homeless at all?


>their food is taken care of we have food stamps
KEK which would now cost a fucking lot and would make everyone else much poorer

>im not dumb
yet you want to buy HOUSES for homeless people when countless people who actually work are not homeowners

[Anonymous No.10176429]

>>10176308
>There will be taxes, however if the taxpayers are suddenly customers (because they can choose where to be taxed) instead of cows to be milked, it changes the dynamic. You now have to compete to attract people with money, so the taxes have to be adequate.
If people aren't forced to pay taxes, they will never just decide to pay them out of their own will.
We're talking about people willing to leave their first world countries because they don't like the taxes, and you think they're gonna be paying any significant amount in the new country?

>Yes, it will tank. And it will keep working regardless. And the adoption will continue.
It literally won't.
Rich people aren't going to put all their money into crypto if it's worth nothing and keeps being unstable.

>I don't know how you are taxed, but where I live, I pay 45% directly from paycheck. Then another 22% on each purchase. You think that is not draconian?
What think doesn't matter.
It's what the productive population thinks that matters. They won't leave functioning countries to go live in some libertarian tax haven for rich people who hate taxes.

>That's right. Because they are fucking idiots. Smart people (i.e. the most productive) can see they are being fucked over.
That's your opinion because you're too blinded by Dunning-Kruger to realize that you're being the idiot here.
Almost everyone laught at the kind of shit you're saying.
Don't bretend that the intellectual and economic elite shares your worldviews and is militant enough to forego the benefit of living in Europe or the US to go live in a new country for crypto millionaires.

>It will happen and you can either take advantage, or be very angry and powerless couple decades later.
I highly doubt that.

[Anonymous No.10176436]

>>10176399
I could sitting at home doing nothing living the crypto-neet life.
Na fuck it better get that economy going and make more dosh.
I'm not wasting my time doing nothing productive.

[Anonymous No.10176437]

>>10169091
This implies that rich people are smart with money, which they certainly are not as a general rule. America for whatever reason has it in their heads that poor people are subhuman and so perpetuate a cycle of lowering taxes on the rich, cutting welfare, complaining poor people have not gotten their act together since last time, cut welfare again, and on we go. Then you reach today where we have mass homelessness, lowest social mobility of any developed country, terrible and expensive healthcare, etc. this is all a recipe for disaster. Better cut social spending again though just to make sure.

[Anonymous No.10176443]

>>10169073
what happened to all his testosterone?

[Anonymous No.10176463]

>>10176334
>the money is ALREADY in the economy you brainlet
>it's keeping prices down
On one hand yes, but on the other, income disparity keeps growing, and the poor gets poorer while the rich gets richer.
You have to do something.
As long as the rich can just keep getting uncontrollably rich, the poor will keep getting poorer and the whole situation will keep worsening.

>what do you propose people do with the money?
>What if they don't have actual business plans? What if they plan on spending it on poor investments(which makes society poorer)
I'm not talking about giving that money directly to the poor.
I'm just talking about having it as an additional tax on top of the taxes we already have.

[Anonymous No.10176475]

>>10176443
The court gave it to his wife’s son in the divorce settlement.

[Anonymous No.10176479]

>>10176232
>Doing what you are doing would result in MALINVESTMENT which is really bad.
prove it

[Anonymous No.10176490]

>>10176424
how does buying people houses raise the cost of food wtf

if youre legitimately homeless you should qualify

if youre making a decent amount of money then you wont qualify because you can already afford to move out

[Anonymous No.10176532]

>>10176339
oh it sounded like you came at me like i'm supporting this crap or something...

yeah, on the other hand the entire united states is full of descendants of people like that. most of them murrican immigrants fled starvation and poverty and hopelessness in europe. so in a few generations it probably makes little difference.

[Anonymous No.10176552]

>>10176490
>how does buying people houses raise the cost of food wtf
resources are scarce
you are diverting resources away from production of everything else and putting it into housing
it's called inflation

if you tax the rich and buy a fuckton of houses it would raise the price of everything(especially food) and make the economy much less productive

[Anonymous No.10176557]

>>10176429
Cool, you know everything. What do you keep asking about stuff on 4chan?

Speaking of Dunning-Kruger, I hope you earn at least top 5% income wherever you live.

[Anonymous No.10176564]

>>10176552
ummm no it wont itll just cause a boom in the housing industry

and even if there was negative drawbacks its literally should be the number one priority of all humanity

it doesnt matter

[Anonymous No.10176572]

>>10176557
top 2% but the highest 1% seems so far away...
there is a huge step there.

[Anonymous No.10176595]

"the rich" is such a vague term
see, when you decide to take from the 1% guess what happens. the 0.01% that actually run shit create legal loopholes and shit so they dont suffer, while the less powerful 1% gets raped. and now the 0.01% has less competition and more power.

it doesnt take that much to be 1%, you are just screwing over the people who create small business employment and buy things.

[Anonymous No.10176619]

>>10176429
>Rich people aren't going to put all their money into crypto if it's worth nothing and keeps being unstable.

Except its not worth nothing and if rich people pump their money into it its guaranteed to be worth a shit ton. It would make the 2017 bullrush look like nothing

[Anonymous No.10176632]

>>10176595
It also has a social darwinist effect where the very top of the rich are the people that managed to stay rich. So those fuckgullibled idiots at the top 1% who do let themselves be taxed into shit will end up floating down while the greedy and most cunning will make their way to the top. You're pretty much guaranteeing that the people who run this world will be the people care the least about the people at the bottom

[Anonymous No.10176634]

Stop attacking the top 1% you anti-semitic nazis!

[Anonymous No.10176721]

>>10176632
if only we could communicate this sort of basic common sense to the left and have it be absorbed but they would just shout us down and not listen

[Anonymous No.10176736]

>>10176634
maybe i should cut off my foreskin

[Anonymous No.10177148]

>>10169073
the elites plan is to flood their nations with cheap low or free labor. Dont have a place to stay?...dont worry you can live in my house but ill just take your ids and passports so you cant do shit.
next will come the social welfare problem which will make housing price increase many flood, check any major city with high immigration.
the $500 a month will be reinvested into netflix and spotify.

they arent worried abuot being taxed at 50% cuz the majority of their money will be in offshore tax free accounts or monero

[Anonymous No.10177817]

>>10177148
who are the elites every is always taking about?
>the elites plan is to flood their nations with cheap low or free labor
currently everyone sitting in brussel and supporting the left

[Anonymous No.10178815]

flat tax of 25% for all individuals and corporations the same

[Anonymous No.10178854]

>>10178815
25% is a lot but it has the advantage of easy to calc with. +25% -20%

[Anonymous No.10178876]

>>10178854
i currently pay 7.5% taxes btw. most people in the country make way less than me and they pay over 50% in taxes and various fees.

10% tax + 10% vat would be ideal imo.