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[Anonymous No.10043717]

Using DHT is the only way to solve distributed computing in a decentralized manner.

I'm talking hosting, computation and routing. DYOR but I am right. 3,000 servers online by the end of the year. Get in or die poor.

[Anonymous No.10043732]

>Total Supply
>177,619,433,541 HOT

Give me the run down on why so many HOT exist

[Anonymous No.10043735]

lol DHT is a 1998 boomer technology

[Anonymous No.10043787]

>>10043735
TRUE, that's why NKN and these other projects are shit. They didn't figure out the compute aspect that Holochain has.

>>10043732
Because the lead dev has been working on digital currencies since before bitcoin (Arthur Brock) and him and their economist said that using micro fractions will never work at scale and could cuck the whole network if it grew too big. They want people to use the token on the network so it needs a value of $5 or less or else the digital gold mentality kicks in and people stop using the cloud computer and start speculating which kills the innovation.

They feel with a large number like this you can still speculate and make massive gains without killing the entire ecosystem.

[Anonymous No.10043803]

>>10043787
Not that they ever say massive gains but he said there was room for speculation with a larger supply and what they have learned over the last 10 years designing digital currencies.

[Anonymous No.10043816]

>>10043732
Do you know how many satoshis exist? Satoshi = worthless shitcoin

[Anonymous No.10043817]

>>10043717
DHT is also the only type of decentralized filesystem that will work in space. Forced block times don't allow for satellites to work on the network.

[Anonymous No.10043857]

what the fuck stop it right now fucking moron
i was hoping for 70 gwei why the fuck would you shill this

[Anonymous No.10043880]

there's literally no reason to shill this. companies will realise the value in an agent-centric arcitecture soon enough just chill your fucking adhd balls

[Anonymous No.10043908]

devteam kek

[Anonymous No.10043946]

>>10043908
Yeah look at the two agriculture business already building on it, hippy shit but actual importers.

>>10043857
I just post about projects that I like. I used to post an EOS thread every day and everyone just talked shit but I tried to educate and now I have moved on to HOLO. I will post a thread every day with some reason it is great until it launches at the end of this year.

[Anonymous No.10043991]

>>10043908
Guy wearing the red shirt is on Satoshi's level. He's the mind behind Ceptyr. Eric motherfucking Braun-Harris aka zippy.

Biz will remember his name for years to come. Oh, and Arthur Brock.

[Anonymous No.10044018]

Holo will be the project that ends crypto

[Anonymous No.10044147]

>>10043857
nice pajeet reverse psychology fren

[Anonymous No.10044190]

>>10044147
got me. i just wanna dump these useless bags so i'm making a comment on 4chan insulting OP, you figured it out. please buy my sellorders sirs

[Anonymous No.10044289]

total shitcoin

sorry for those brainlets who got into this pajeet scam a few weeks ago.

by the way, the fucking coin or HOT token is unrelated to the platform. even if holochain would get adopted this would not neccessarily increase HOT / Holo demand kek.

its like you are buying a shitcoin on top of ethereum before ethereum's mainnet launch. indisputable fact.

buying HOT is like charity for the hippie devteam. same goes for their overpriced holoports, overpriced bullshit for brainlets that are to stupid to rent a vps.

i looked into this shit believe me.
but go ahead if you wanna miss NKN, binance incoming

[Anonymous No.10044317]

>>10044289
this. all that shit's already way overpriced, comparable to ethereum also. suck my dick holo fags, this goes back to 20 gwei in no time

[Anonymous No.10044334]

>>10044317
sorry

forgot

the

reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.10044793]

>>10043717
what's up OP, no comment? did you finally realize you got pajeeted?

[Anonymous No.10044925]

>>10044793
hyperkek

[Anonymous No.10044954]

>>10044289
Is NKN a competitor to ethereum?

[Anonymous No.10045200]

>>10044289
Nah I own my own business so I was busy with my team.

Holofuel is for Holo.host which has the distributed computing built in and a unified network for dapps with a common script. NKN is doing none of that and is fucking useless. It would take 6 months to a year to get a rival chain going to holo.host and you wouldn't get their new proprietary data structure that will roll out next year that has been in development for the last three years. It's AI at a system level and will make app to app communication nearly seamless.

You don't know shit. You just are chasing a chink pump and get roasted.

[Anonymous No.10045215]

>>10045200
I work in tech by the way. One E-commerce company and a decentralized service on the way. You faggots work at taco bell and don't have access to the people that I do so you would think that NKN is anything other then open source DHT from 1998 with a dollar sign next to it.

[Anonymous No.10045272]

>>10045200
how do you know about the AI stuff?? its mentioned nowhere..

even Holo's lead developer admitted it would be possible for app developers to built apps without ever using HOT token or the infrastructure.

you could even rebuilt what they are doing and totally bypass their platform and holofuel.

that's suicide for all bagholders and not well communicated.

[Anonymous No.10045330]

>>10045215
will i make it with 2 million holos

honest question

[Anonymous No.10045338]

>>10045330
No they will probably be worth a penny unless adoption happens in a huge way.

[Anonymous No.10045339]

>>10045330
2.3

[Anonymous No.10045370]

>>10045272
Yeah it would be possible. You have to get nodes running separate code and then create a whole other network. Or somehow get nodes to devote little bits of their bandwidth and compute to multiple other networks.

The smart coding language is talked about a lot. It's their whole "natural language" thing they go on about. Basically rather then running every app separately they can share information and the way that they collect data is intelligent. They go more in depth in interviews. I am not as strong on this but as someone who does ecommerce if I could have smart forms and shit like that it would make our lives way easier.

[Anonymous No.10045379]

>>10045200
>>10045215

saying that it takes 6 month to develop does not make my point invalid. its like investing in ethereum, but with the possibility that ether gets useless down the road if prople decide they want to replace it with something else. and 6 month isn't that long in the shitcoin universe anyways. no need to get personal buddy :)

[Anonymous No.10045402]

>>10045272
So you think that people are going to get their plug and play holoport, get the code, change the code to the new parameters and network, wrap the code and launch it?

No, they bought plug and play servers with holo host on them and that is what will be ran and the 3 3rd party dapps that are already being worked on all run on holo host and will use holo fuel.

bonobo tier fud

[Anonymous No.10045419]

>>10045379
Well again people like you bought these and people like you wouldn't be smart enough to migrate to a new network so people like you will ensure that there will be thousands of servers available.

[Anonymous No.10045537]

>>10045419
i would never ever buy such a overpriced pos device that looka like an iMac kek.
did you know that cloud computing is a thing? it's really cheap and everyone who is smart rents a fucking ubuntu vps with ssh access.

i cringed everytime i saw people being proud of their holoports. i was in the chat a few days but panic sold after realizing the token price will be worthless = not related to the success of mainnet

[Anonymous No.10045752]

>>10044289
Hahahahahahahhaha this is great bait
HOT tokens only usage is to be swapped for holofuel once the mainnet is up. Holofuel is how people get payed to host, and it's value isn't derived from supply and demand, but rather the increase in holohosts needed. So with expansion comes increased worth.

Everything you said is literally a brain-fart. Amusing, but wrong in every sense of the word.
I hope you were joking, and I'm just too autistic to pick it up.

[Anonymous No.10045786]

These holo posts have such technobable in them, really confusing isn't it.

[Anonymous No.10046096]

>>10045752
well, thats what you've been told. baseless claims imo.

there is no magical reason why the hosting needs would go up after mainnet launch, its just wishful thinking. every tech company i have worked for relies on enterprise level solutions (google docker, kubernetes, aws, load-balancing) to deploy its applications.

big money is at stake if you fuck up your cloud infrastructure. let alone experiment with something like holochain kek. in the end hosting is optimized to increase profits, even if that means higher hosting expenses for a CDN, etc.

the corporate world will btfo and you won't see any serious demand. real companies face switching costs my friend. i'm really curious about the ROI of those $1000 moneygrab holoports. people can be lucky if they break even by 2022 kek

[Anonymous No.10046132]

>>10046096
It's not baseless moron it's on the website and in the currency paper.

Go die.

[Anonymous No.10046159]

>>10046096
You can't host a dApp on AWS or any other centralized solution.

[Anonymous No.10046255]

>>10046132
no need to point me to their marketing material once again. there are a ton of assumptions in every whitepaper, and look at how many icos have failed over the years. i don't take everything for granted that is claimed in a whitepaper kek.

nvm the discussion is getting boring.

[Anonymous No.10046288]

>>10046255
Fuck you are a retard. So you got your answer and are still posting stupid shit. I can't help stupid.

These guys are well known devs and VCs and have peer reviewed code and a working currency model. Do you what you want but quit fucking posting after you get your FUD answered.

[Anonymous No.10046304]

>>10046159
aws is building its own dApp layer as we speak. google it. but overall, the demand for dapps isn't that huge. its not like the tech world was broken before the blockchain hype. demand will likely even decrease as most blockchain projects die over time

[Anonymous No.10046326]

>>10046304
No because there are so many devices so widely distributed now that it would be more cost effective for Amazon to harness that and take a fee and remove all of their liability.

This is a matter of efficiency in a sense of resources.

[Anonymous No.10046351]

>>10043717
All ya'll motherfuckers are missing the main point, and that is the fact that any brainlet can grip A MILLION of these for chump change, and sometimes that's all that matters.

If you are not sitting on at least 2 million of these until January 2019, you are fucking blowing it.

0.01 cent EOY, .10 cents summer '19 bull run. Stellar style.

screencap this.

[Anonymous No.10046390]

>>10046351
This and the good tech.

[Anonymous No.10046420]

>>10046390
The tech is what will make us rich, but brainlets not believing will lead the way, as it always is.

[Anonymous No.10046433]

>>10046304
Amazon dApp layer sounds very decentralized.

[Anonymous No.10046451]

>>10046326
yes sure in a few month amazon.com will switch to decentralized hosting. they'll replace server hardware and use the smartphones of regular people + holochain to host their site instead. hosting isn't about cost, please understand. the main concern is uptime and fast, reliable service.

sales drop significantly, if websites are slower. and we talking about milliseconds here. i highly doubt any serious company will ever go decentralized - there is simply no reason bro.

[Anonymous No.10046517]

>>10046451
The goal isn't to make these companies go decentralized. It's to put them out of business.

[Anonymous No.10046527]

>>10046517
ding ding ding

[Anonymous No.10046550]

>>10046451
Ok genius you tell me where AI is going. How is that going to be powered? How do you feel about downtime. For some businesses they would rather have a 8x redundant system with 100% uptime and lose a few MS. How is computation going to work in space? How do you link all the satellites into mesh networks? What if the AI on one needs computation and can request it from a node that is also in space without having to specify it? Do you have any idea how much memory cost or the lack of it servers? Do you have any statistics on unused memory on an average consumer device in the US? Why should this be left on the table? What about self mending AI that has dynamic non prompted computational needs? Shouldn't that have a network that it can access with whatever resource it needs?


You are stuck in 2002, this is new infrastructure for emerging computing and new systems.

You say stupid shit and don't ask the right questions. Shit that isn't even relevant. I am almost willing to bet that you are the faggot I would argue with in the EOS threads.

[Anonymous No.10046564]

>>10046451
If you have an ultra high latency closed network you will never open it. The government will never host on something like this or use the computation because it exposes data.

[Anonymous No.10046576]

>>10046564
That's ok and no one is talking about that. Everything that you have said is literally irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.10046633]

>>10046517
wow, now we're talking. so you actually believe amazon will be outcompeted or even bankrupted thanks to a niche technology like blockchain?

even walmart isn't able to compete with amazon and they are burning millions every year trying kek. its not happening.

[Anonymous No.10046665]

>>10046633
"facebook will never become the new myspace!"

[Anonymous No.10046694]

>>10046633
Holochain is not blockchain but yes, that's what I believe. Amazon and similar companies are nothing but middlemen waiting to be obsoleted. Might take a while but it will happen.

[Anonymous No.10046755]

>>10043717

10 billion shitcoins

> keep your bags faggot

[Anonymous No.10046801]

>>10046550
i am not an expert on AI, and i don't see how that relates to anything discussed previously. in regards to hosting, 99,9% uptime is already standard. mission critical applications require 100% uptime SLA, which is simply solved through redundancy in the infrastructure. that could also be done with holochain, but i highly doubt you will get the same latency and speed. that's my main point. i don't care how much spare memory your iphone has, its much more efficient to use something like Xen and a vServer setup that fully utilizes the hardware at all times.

we can argue all day, seems we just happen to have different views on holochain. i can live with that ;)

[Anonymous No.10046986]

>>10046801
we have laureli shimayo on our team. intuitive eye-reader and romantic matchmaker. she will bankrupt amazon, just believe in her and the other devs anon.

[Anonymous No.10047253]

>>10046986
godspeed anon. i'm done with this for good, no need to convince me with the cult and hippie crap. no time for that.

[Anonymous No.10047358]

[Anonymous No.10047445]

>>10046986
Not a dev
>>10046801
You don't know how it relates because you don't understand the state of cloud computing or why Amazon is starting to offer compute and decentralized compute.

You can actually reduce latency using Holo because the odds that a node is closer to you is much higher. You can even set regions that you want your hosts in so that you can serve with better latency.

You almost fudded me on the latency but then I remember Matthew talking about being served by the nearest node rather then one in china

[Anonymous No.10047454]

>>10047358
this is our saviour my friend. the only lord in the galaxy of nature. holo is like nature. it lives like cells :) lovely hackathon i was there

[Anonymous No.10047570]

>>10047445
latency is also dependent on hardware specs. server farms are constantly updating and maintaining their racks. tell me who is replacing the holoport hardware? or are people required to buy a new one every two years?

i'd rather rely on a dedicated server with 128GB RAM and 32+ cores to serve my clients, instead of some old ass holoport or even IOT devices. but that's just me i guess.

also servers are faster because they have a 1 or even 10 Gigabit uplink. consumer devices simply don't have such fast connections because its only relevant for enterprise use-cases. gosh. i could go on forever with reasons why its stupid.

[Anonymous No.10047693]

>>10047445
in regards to the argument of closer nodes, that is also not true because every halfway decent company uses a CDN provider to cache content / reduce load time. Just google what is a CDN, its quite easy to understand and similar to your idea with Holochain nodes. Just that those nodes are highly optimized servers.

[Anonymous No.10047930]

>>10047693
at holochain we care much more about organisms and ecosystems in nature. its focusing on how plants live you dumbass. call it a cult and fetish but you will see this project will enlighten you and lead a new path to a more thrivable future with the help of a sharing and caring community.

its not about money and getting rick quick, holo is focusing on happy and thriving communities within nature. just go and attend a hackathon or meeting, i promise you will be spiritually enlightened on a whole different level.

i hope to see y'all thrive and become naturally resourceful!

[Anonymous No.10048070]

>>10047930
you serious? please just stop, i'm interested in the technology not some new age bullshit

[Anonymous No.10048325]

>>10048070
you should think less about the complexities of technology, just believe in nature and its power to heal your consciousness. believe that you can become part of the holistic destiny of holochain and get rid of all the negativity that keeps you down. open the membranes of your cells, let the good spirits into your body :)

say no to negativity and yes to hyperdimensional happiness found in nature. let's have a thrivable future together!

[Anonymous No.10048630]

https://holo.host/whitepapers/
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/holo-take-back-the-internet-shared-p2p-hosting-community#/
https://github.com/Holochain/holochain-proto/wiki/FAQ
https://medium.com/h-o-l-o/holo-the-evolution-of-cloud-computing-57a0a281b88b
https://medium.com/h-o-l-o/holos-erc20-token-hot-and-mutual-credit-cryptocurrency-holo-fuel-6d8b6d3938d6
https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applications-d2ac1e4f25ef
https://blockonomi.com/holochain-guide/
https://steemit.com/crypto/@elysium-renegade/an-extensive-review-of-holochain-a-different-kind-of-cryptobeast
https://hackernoon.com/wtf-is-holochain-35f9dd8e5908
https://cryptobriefing.com/holochain-code-review-and-distributed-computing-thoughts/
https://smartoptions.io/hodl-that-12-beam-me-up-holochain/
https://www.ouishare.net/article/fixing-the-internet-how-holochain-wants-to-change-the-way-we-interact
https://www.ouishare.net/article/holochain-the-beginnings-of-a-brave-new-internet-vol-ii
https://www.investinblockchain.com/holo-promether-partnership/

[Anonymous No.10048679]

>>10043717
How many to make it anon

[Anonymous No.10048776]

>>10043946
EOS is trash though

[Anonymous No.10048930]

>>10048630
posting a wall of links is easy buddy. start reading all posts and try to refute my valid criticism instead. i promise it won't work, there are clear flaws that won't go away.

[Anonymous No.10049173]

>>10048679
i have 20.000.00

[Anonymous No.10049199]

healing takes time