/biz/ - Business & Finance

No one would work

Somebody has to make my Big Mac anon. Now go get ready for your shift

You could become a farmer and have to work 12h a day without vacations for basic necessities if you want.

>>9477584
>doesn't know the difference between self sustainability and having to grow food for 1000x people

>>9477538
Somebody has to create value, you retard. You can't keep consuming like a degenerate if nobody's working.
Basic income might become a thing in the future when automation has progressed.

You can always live in a cave and forage for berries and mushrooms like nature intended.

>>9477602
Self sustainability is even more time-intensive than being a regular farmer, since you got no income you basically have to do everything.

>>9477538
Kys commie fuck

>>9477538
>Who is responsible?
This thing called SCARCITY.
Look it up brainlet.

>>9477605
Basic income is fucking bullshit.
We need to end central banks instead so we can fully get the benefit of automation.

>>9477621
nope. every single forrest belongs to someone in my country (eu). i can't, it would be illegal. i can't leave the country either, unless i am willing to give away my fingerprints. i could find the owner and ask him, if he allows me to stay in his forrest, thats all. we are not free. we are not the same.

>>9477578
my local mcdonald's is a solid 9/10.
alot of 4/10's through 7/10's..
so feel lucky about it..
only eat there a couple times a year.
but god damn.. a good donald's is a good donald's.
chainlink.

>>9477683
I can sell you a piece of my family's woodland in France for 4000€/ha if you want.

>>9477602
Haha how fucking retarded can you be? Do you know how shit life would be if each person/family had to farm by themselves in order to eat. If you really think your life would be the same or better if we moved away from a market based system where firms mass produce to some faggy everyone grows their own foods system you are a fucking moron.
>>9477538
>Why don't they have universal basic income and let people who want to work earn more?
Why do you think you are entitled to basic income, we are not at the level of automation yet where you can justify this. If they had the option now of universal basic income more than half the population would stop working immediately, think about how much less services goods would be produced you dope.

>>9477538
because people make the things you use retard

>>9477674
ís this true or some sort of conpsiracy

>>9477742
It's a gross manipulation : the median salary is given in dollars corrected for inflation, and the housing price in dollars uncorrected for inflation.

>>9477733
>Why do you think you are entitled to basic income, we are not at the level of automation yet where you can justify this. If they had the option now of universal basic income more than half the population would stop working immediately, think about how much less services goods would be produced you dope.
socialists are so fucking stupid
holy shit

I cant believe we have to deal with them on this planet

we would have so much higher living standards if not for these scumbags

>>9477742
look it up on fred website
of course its true,

but nobody even looks at central banks now, everyone blames "capitalism" for their problems when its the fault of the government/central banks

>>9477584
Farmers had 6 month holidays due to seasons back in the day

>>9477755
no its not
look at the graph again brainlet

>>9477674

This. Drive production costs to nearly 0, especially on basic necessities, and make different forms of self employment retardedly simple (ie passive income that requires basically 0 effort) and you get the benefits of UBI without the commie bullshit.

>>9477733
Lived on an island that worked perfectly fine this way, you're not speaking out of experience. Why give your shekels to the food jooz?

>>9477797
>This. Drive production costs to nearly 0, especially on basic necessities, and make different forms of self employment retardedly simple (ie passive income that requires basically 0 effort) and you get the benefits of UBI without the commie bullshit.
finally someone with brains

>>9477780
Nope, farmers back in the day worked their asses in the fields form march to october, and in the winter they repaired their farm, fixed their tools, chopped wood for heating and tended to animals. FFS my whole family did that for centuries, my great-grandpa was still an old-school farmer and told us this.

>>9477793
>real median income: inflation-adjusted
>median sales prices for houses : not inflation-adjusted
Who are you trying to fool ?

>poorfag pinko commies browing my /biz/
REEEEEE

>>9477798
>Lived on an island that worked perfectly fine this way, you're not speaking out of experience
Kek why did you leave if it was so fantastic there? If this place does exist I bet the people live to a whopping 55 years old there.
>mfw you actually think a life on some faggy, communal island is superior to living in a 1st world western country where you can access the highest standard of living ever to exist in the world.
Honestly why are you even on a board ofr business and finance.

it's easier to survive in this society without being a wageslave than any in history or pre history
but you have to take responsibility for yourself and not be a brainlet

>>9477538
give OP, you won´t get paid to sit on your ass all day playing videogames

now back to it, those burgers won´t flip themselves

>>9477895
I'm not a fucking burger flipper I work as an enterprise software developer with 3+ years experience, computer science degree. You fucking tell me to flip burgers one more time and I will make you regret it you piece of shit. Don't talk to me like that.

>>9477761

>>9477538
>How the fuck did they come up with this system where people have to work 8 hours per day to foresee in their basic necessities. Who is responsible?

Read Sapiens. I don't want to spoil too much, but there's a horrible twist in the Agricultural Revolution part.

only one more year and I retire

feels good man

>>9477914
>I'm not a fucking burger flipper I work as an enterprise software developer with 3+ years experience, computer science degree. You fucking tell me to flip burgers one more time and I will make you regret it you piece of shit. Don't talk to me like that.

This translates to "I am the assistant manager of burger flipperatorium." The only thing you have ever 'developed' is brain damage from buying and sniffing paint on your smoke breaks, now fuck off you lying faggot.

>>9477889
this
conversely, you could be at the workplace but doing the barely minimum, in IT it's piece of cake

>>9477538
There's already a few teams working on a UBI crypto

847. Universal basic income schemes. Whatever positive short-term benefits these might offer, none of it can ultimately work, because the reality at the bottom of the problem is that the people these schemes are designed to help no longer have anything to contribute to civilization (otherwise they wouldn't need the schemes). Therefore, the only way these people can survive is by handouts of some sort. You can try to change the schemes and their names, or how you present them, but you can't change the reality of what is happening, and, sooner or later, society (or rather, a handful of cybernetic techno-Overmen with the power of life and death over the species) will have to face those down, and solve them once and for all.

>>9477538
one cheeseburger please and don't fuck up anon

>>9477538
8 hour a day was a result of industrial revolution, people used to work much more. then henry ford implemented 8 hour a day for his workers, which resulted in better productivity and other employers started to copy him.

historically humans have worked less than 8 hours a day, since 1800 only have man worked this much. in europe netherlands and norway work only 4 days a week now.

>>9477538
because your "basic necessities" include a whole bunch of relatively new technology that didn't exist for 99% of humanity's existence. You can live the lifestyle of the 50's barely working.

>>9478463
>in europe netherlands and norway work only 4 days a week now.

This sounds like bullshit.

>>9478853
It is. He meant France actually.

Start your own company.

>>9477693
Autism