/biz/ - Business & Finance

The bitches

>>930987
Engineering

>>931060
Porn

>>931060
>get engineering degree
>be good
>invent something good
>become rich doing something fun
stay mad dumbies

>>930980
TBH, computer science has an infinte salary cap as well. Ever heard of a quant? Ever heard of Bill Gates faggot?

>>931167
No infinite salary cap in Silicon Valley, or unless you are the best.

>>931171
The same prinicple applies to finance and economics. Are you seriously implying that every finance major has the potential to make millions just by having the right degree?

What about physics?

>>931174
Yes. If they take the right steps, and work hard enough.

all degrees have infinite salary caps and no minimum salary. Life isn't an rpg where you only have certain amounts of points to distribute among different skills or abilities. you can be smart and physically strong, or a comp sci major with social skills, or a marketing major that can program better than most cs majors.

>>931167
there is only one bill gates
you can not go to college and double master in bill gates and steve jobs

>>930980
>missing data & analytics / business intelligence
it's an emerging field and there isn't college programs for it yet which is why it never shows up on stuff like this

I'd place it in god tier because it's basically csci + stats, so it's a perfect storm of skills and you can get a job basically wherever you apply if you have experience

Why do you guys feel the need to constantly reply to the same bait threads day after day?

>>931274
supply and demand nigga

if there were better threads to post in that's where we'd all be

>>931273
lol, that is my major. I did it because I am going to college to learn a skill I can't teach myself.
>in b4 you can teach yourself coding
Some people can, I can't.

Also, stats seem like a comfy job, it is not well known or oversaturated and always necessary. Stats is like math in that it has no projects or labs eating up your time, but it is very applicable to most jobs. My worse case scenario is I get a job in some obscure government office making 50k for being a desk jockey. best case scenario, I do something amazing with my analytic skills that I can either sell for billions or just create a business from it.

>>931275
>if there were better threads to post in

Ya got me there

>>931277
I've heard of some data scientist programs, but it's FAR from mainstream and common yet still, which is what I was saying

I'm in the data/BI field right now (a few years under my belt), and I would say stats only people are pretty expendable - they really can't produce *good* deliverables without people like me.

I don't think it's easy to become a millionaire in this field, you'd probably have to go independent/consulting, but it's definitely more lucrative than csci or stats alone, that's a fact. Honestly it's still brand new to the market so who knows what's going to happen.

>>931281
What major for Data Scientist?

Information Systems?

>>931288
My uni has degrees in data science. but if your uni does not have it do a dual major in comp sci and stats. someone else on biz posted that the math was way more important than the comp sci. so maybe major in stats and minor in comp sci?

>>931288
mainstream programs don't exist yet
https://hbr.org/2012/10/data-scientist-the-sexiest-job-of-the-21st-century/

>>931295
just getting technical knowledge isn't enough, SQL and *some* stats experience is basically essential to succeed, but if you can't apply those tech skills to your business you really won't be successful at all. someone with good insights into the business data and processes is just as valuable, if not more, than people who are only good at coding and visualizations

>>931298
This is pretty much my uni's curriculum for a data science degree, What kind of courses or skills should I take or develop outside of these?

>>931303
looks good, great, actually for the technical skill set

basically the only missing piece is what field you are going to work in, because plenty of people have all those skills, but they can't apply them to an academic discipline or business model so they end up just being DBAs and programmers.

so basically all you need to do is choose a discipline or field, that you enjoy, and once you have a few years in that + the technical skills, you'll be a marketable data scientist for that field, and while you're gaining the exp in your field you'll be a data scientist in training.

if you don't have room in your uni's schedule for something, then you'll need to get the exp out in the work force, which is fine

something like biology, physics, finance (where I am w/psych and management exp), facebook/twitter/google, things with massive datasets behind them that you can find patterns and trends in, but if you don't enjoy it at least somewhat it will be extremely difficult to learn cold

>>931277
How do I into this? What books there are on the subject that you would recommend?

I'm very depressed right now and I want to submerge myself in numbers and thoughts to forget everything else. Save a life anon

>>931303
also try to fit something in around design and visualizations, with more competition entering the field your stuff will need to look better than everyone elses

How useless is a degree in mathematics

>>931317
I can't tell you but all Math majors I know are retarded south Americans and they work as tutors in my college earning shit while doing a masters or PhD instead of making bank

>>930980
I have a friend who double majored in electrical and computer engineer. Suffice to say, he's 24, and earns almost 200k with Google

>>931102
>STEM
>safe route
>medium sized house in the suburbs
>bmw 325i
>working 40+ hours per week

Enjoy your American Beauty life.

>>931167
If you go to college for Computer Science you're probably already not driven enough to make something of yourself. Comp Sci is one of the easiest industries to break into without a degree too, so if you're majoring in it you probably only are because you played video games through high school.

It's funny how many degree circlejerks there are in a board about business.

>>931327
His choice is not bad, nor are the things you just described. It depends a lot on background I'd say. If he comes from a wealthy or capable family that can help him start something then it would be retarded to just settle for that but that's not necessarily his position.

For example I want to own businesses but I have a problem, I'm poor as fuck. What do I plan to do? Get a good paying job, save enough for a business, ditch job work on expanding.

While none of my immediate family members are rich my grandfathers cousin is very very wealthy and he did something like this and so did my mother's uncle, and my the father of my dad's girlfriend.

>tfw surrounded by rich people yet none of them are close enough to me

>>931336
I don't really see anything wrong with pursuing a career in an industry that you enjoy, I just think it's hilarious how people stress out over the "starting salary" & "salary cap" in the degree that they're pursuing. Your own spending habits and investment choices are what determine if you're going to be wealthy or not. People should just pursue what they're good at and learn basic money handling/investing skills.

Also, there are businesses you can start with very little/no monetary investment, it'll just require a lot more work/thinking than getting a job and building a business later.

>>930980
Is a statistics B.S. good?

>>931345
I just live in a really really fucked up economy, literally this place is a dead zone. Only the highest paid of the very few CEOs that live here earn more than 500k. Everyone is leaving because they can earn more pretty much anywhere else.

Also everything is expensive as hell and we have a pretty high sales tax.

But despite all this I think that if I ever amount to anything I could try to make a difference here however small.

>Bonus points for anyone that can guess where I am.

>>931355
Latvia or Romania or some other eastern European country?

>>931355
>>931366
I have a feeling it's Romania, too. I think I read about how a lot of young people are leaving because of the crappy social programs or something.

>>931327
Yeah so a good programmer definitely wouldn't benefit from going to Stanford. Nice meme.

The best programmers will always be the ones who started early, practiced a lot, and went to top schools.

>>931354
Nah fuck that, you'll have 0 creativity. Study CS and take lots of upper level math + stats classes and you'll be better off.

Interestingly, I am a programmer (Enterprise Apps) who works with finance grads. This is exactly the case. For whatever reason, they are paid around 40k (Richmond VA) but when I was hired I started at 75k. And working with the finance people, I realize I can do their job - but they can't do my job. They are completely replaceable by programs and automation, and it is effectively killing the growth of their career fields (and growing programmers).

...So does this mean all finance people will eventually be programmers and making 150k?

>>931412
programming isn't hard, but "normal" people simply can't do it. they will have to start accepting lower salaries once we replace them if they don't adapt, some will, most won't. sucks to be them.

>>931398
If you want to sit at a desk/go to the spa at Google Heaven and make $70k a year and cap out at $150k if you're lucky, sure go ahead and waste $200k on a college degree.

The best programmers are those who started early, practiced a lot, and skipped going to school to improve their skills at a faster rate (EG: Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, countless other startup founders)

Only the inferior and unmotivated settle for working under someone else.

>>931420

Normal people are programmers. You are normal.

>>931401
>Study CS
I tried that. There were no spots available. The school is UCSB if that matters.

Basing my entire life on numbers . No thanks .
If you take a degree just for money you are a giant faggot . It s shoul be based on what you like not on how many zeroes you have in your bank, doing what you don t like will lead to your suicide

>>931174
Yes. This is absolutely true.

The most shocking thing about Wall Street is that 95% of the people working there don't know a damned thing about managing or making money.

How is a chemistry degree in europe? The science, not the engineering

>>930980
I don't understand how the fuck law and medecine is not in highest tier . It's best study field for people who don't want to own business but make a lot of cash doing same shit over and over again . I guess it was written by someone in stem who dreaming to work in chevron as petrol engy while in reality all jobs are occupied by old fats who wont give up positions until they die

>>931486

The list is retarded in general. I know plenty of Arts grads earning more than 6 figures in their twenties. I suppose the downfall of Law is that its massively oversaturated and the working conditions are often terrible.

>>931481
IB maybe, HF yes, PE maybe
High finance is in structural decline and the glory days are past. Also, its starting to become over-saturated like law where the top talent congregates.

Programming degrees are still the GOAT. If you have the required social skills for finance/law then you'd stand out in these fields and instantly be above your peers on the fast track to management. Engineering is a bit more crowded with people who have social skills and technicals to back it up.

>>931490
Doing what exactly?

>>931497

>Doing what exactly?

Finance, public service, research, IT.

Army here. Military is not a bad Rte to go. Maybe not for the long haul but I'm getting out in about a month and I have my gi bill which will pay for school as well as give me a housing stipend that totals $1194/month for my area. So while I work as an Intel contractor for 70k/yr, I can pocket more of my check.

2nd year apprentice welder here. Trade school is a good path.

>>931366
>>931371
Nah much much closer to America, hell I'm technically american

Which would net the most money yearly?

>>931632
Faggot

>>930980
Healthcare should be in God-Tier.

If its taking into account training as lost opportunity, quality of life, and money made, NPs and PAs make bank and work easy hours.

If its bottom line money, surgeons and neuro surgeons blow the top tier out aside from c-level

If its quality of life and money, EM docs, Derm, etc make bank doing set shift work.

If its job stability, all of the above kick ass.

>>930980
Honestly, if you're going into CS and CE to be a wageslave for the rest of your life, then you're doing it wrong. CS or CE is the path to opening the most frictionless business of all - digital.

>>931463
Well vidya is not going to be a profitable industry any time soon.

>>931781
What are you talking about. Videogames are highly profitable, especially mobile games. But even then you could look at EA, Valve, Activision all of them very profitable companies.

And they are bound to get even more profitable when the kids that right now play on mobile grow old enough to play on consoles, they'll be used to microtransactions because it is the norm in mobile, and so they can be nickle and dimed.

Hell its already happening look at those toy/videogame hybrid that sells you the starter set with the game for $100 and then every extra playset( which are only two plastic figurines) costs $20 for like 30 minutes of extra gameplay.

Maybe it's not profitable for the code monkeys but the video game industry by itself is very very profitable.

>>931850
Finance majors make more in the long run

>>931323
Where did he go? That probably has a huge effect.

>>930980
Art should be in suicide tier.

>>931850

ya it sucks for the code monkeys. game programming is like throwing your degree away

>>931433
>he thinks google developers make 70k

EL OH EL

>>931433
>"200k degree "
It was roughly €15,000 altogether for my top school CompSci course. Stay mad Americans.

>>932021
I can tell that's bullshit because "top schools" only accept dollars or pounds.

>>932038
Are you retarded?

>>931433
>If you want to sit at a
retarded

>and skipped going to school to improve their skills at a faster rate (EG: Bill Gates, Ma
retarded

>Only the inferior and unmotivate
Tru dat

>>931435
people who browse 4chan are not normal

>>932042
Where did you go? I'll tell you if it's a "top tier school".

>>932048
Edinburgh, from N.I. and live in R.O.I now. Got a fair bit off due to bursaries, placement, and my current employer funding my masters. Shame I'm bored with my rut now :^)

>>932057
Well it's in the top 50. I guess you made it, this time.

>>932060
anon you mustn't forget the most important school is life and that's the biggest test of all xox

>>932062
>062▶
What is life

>>930980
>medicine god tier
I guess your only experience with the medical world is hollywood movies and those insufferable hospital sitcoms

>>930980
>foreign languages
>suicide tier

Fucking kill yourself.

>tfw in one of the medical sciences
>tfw will be a doctor, but not a real doctor
>tfw still will make 6 figures

>Crim
>Good tier

>>930980
>good tier
>criminal justice

Good job becoming a jail-house guard, a bailiff, a probation officer, a bail bondsman, a corrections officer or a cop. All shit jobs.

>>932271
PA?

>>932290
>PT

I won't start making 6 figures, but it's possible. On top of that, the job satisfaction is out of the gate badass. The happiest guys I know are PT's, Dentists, and Dermatologists...and Optometrists.

>Econ
>Great tier
What can you even do with an Econ degree in its own?

>>932315
>>932315
Nothing

>>932301
physical therapist? you're not a fucking doctor

anyway enjoy long hours

>>930980
>ruined my career by signing a 6 year contract that was just a "placeholder" "until the real contract comes in"
What do?

Serious question, is economics a meme degree? It is just as autistic as literally any STEM degree while lacking the stembux that justify number slavery. What could I do with an economics degree?

>>931554
Puerto Rican?

Why is high school education shit tier? Teaching high school is a great career for some and 50k isn't that shitty.

>>931778
This.
>Work a small company
>gain experience
>transfer into a larger company
>gain more experience there
>start developing software on the side either freelance or of your own making
>eventually turn that software into passive income

>>932386
I think it's saying somebody with no college degree and just a high school diploma.

>>932389
Yeah that makes sense I guess

>>932391
No wait. It means teachers. Kek

>>932392
but why tho

>>932394
Kids are fucking terrible and 50k isn't enough to be threatened by little nigglets that you legally can't even look at the wrong way. That plus unconventionally long work hours that extend after class and go into planning lesson plans that have to meet [new federal testing regulation]
While thing seems like a shit show to me. But I'm sure some find the work rewarding regardless of the salary.

>>932370
pls respond

>>932399
As a male I am just scared shitless about a pedophilia accusation that I am too afraid to work directly with children. Maybe I would be a high school biology teacher or something though.

>>930980
One thing you forgot is Bioinformatics. Its computer science + biology. Could be God Tier because its just sitting in labs working on computers, peering into the Human Genome... figuring out new ways to improve medicine. You can get hired by tech or big pharma and make about 80k. You might discover a new cure or something and get leeway to program computers so its still a little creative.

>>932386
entry level for my job is more than 50k, in the midwest

>>932429
>biology teacher

>OK class today we are going to go over the theory of evolution
>>ooh hell naw!! I didn't evolve from no monkey
>well actually the theory is that we share a common ancestor with great apes
>>well if that were true why come we still got monkeys today??
>again... Apes and common ancestors

This continues until the town forms a lynch mob and the local news becomes notional

>mfw it was my school district trying to put those stickers in the biology books years ago... I hate the south.

>>931632
none.

by the time you've graduated with a degree in the highest on it won't be the highest one due to so many people wanting to get in on them high wages.

examples: Law, CS (in the next 15 years?, idk) Finance

>>932378
>Serious question, is economics a meme degree?

It teaches you many skills which will be of value if you have to relate figures to each other and it tells employers that you're competent enough to learn many new interrelating figures and find the most efficient result.

As much as I value economics (HIGHLY, as I enjoy it and have a personal investment) I wouldn't recommend doing it on its own unless you're certain and I mean CERTAIN that it's either where you want to be in the future (I want to be a politician so economics is vital).

I have friends who do full economics (my flatmate for one) and they seem stuck in a rut (as am i so maybe everyone is) and complacent because it's quite easy in all honesty (I thought I couldn't do a full economics degree a year ago yet i'm doing the same work my flatmate is whilst doing modules in two other majors at an equal level than economics)

Source: Politics, Philosophy, Economics degree in top 50 UK uni.

>>930980
Pretty much every degree has an infinite salary cap if you include capital earnings. If you only look at the actual salary, Finance and Economics do have a cap as well.

>>932629
Which has no cap?

>>930980
>tfw when in shit tier

graduated in 2012 with a degree in philosophy and make only $13 doing tech support.

how do I even recover

Which major would have the most earnings long term/higher chance to earn more?

>>933054
It's not the major, it's the person.

t. guy who makes $190/k year with shitty MIS degree

>>932057
How did you find the CS course at Edinburgh?
Was it heavily maths based?

>>931554
East Canada.

>>933012
go back and get a masters in something that matters
also why did you think it would be a good idea to major in philosophy

>>932579
You seem pretty experienced, what can you tell me about operations research?

Picture is my schools recommended application areas for the data science degree. What do you think would be good courses? Of course you don't have to recommend like it says to, and choose only 3 from one category

>>930980
>150k salary cap
>know someone making 200k on a salary in fucking Canada
>with just a college education

>>931327
i would be happy with the top scenario + i have 2 mil waiting for me once my parents kick the bucket

>>931167
>Bill Gate
>Daddy was one of the richest and most politically connected lawyer in state of Washington.

Got any better example for normie?

I picked a shitty generic business degree because I was a moron and didn't know any better. Struggling to find work right now but have plenty of money to go to grad school. Should I keep trying to get a job to get some years of work experience under my belt or just go ahead and get a masters? Also, what are the best business related masters degrees?

>>933279
most people say an mba without experience doesn't look too good.

If you have money for an grad school, don't you have money for a business? Get a job and maybe learn the ropes first.

Is there any way I could make money while going into Ai/Machine learning?

>>931316
Learning D3 would be great for this. It is amazing for visualization.

I need to start over. Im 35. Anyone suggest a field that pays inbetween 75-100k year. I dont want to waste 4 years of college to end up with a fine arts degree

>>933644
Do you already have a degree? At 35 what do you have experience in?

>>933113
>also why did you think it would be a good idea to major in philosophy


I wouldn't major in it alone unless you 100% love philosophy but it's a difficult and rewarding (frankly, not monetarily) degree.

It's the hardest of my subjects (although i love and study the other two much more) to get a high mark in whilst the other two are generally thought of as "more valuable" or "a better degree choice".

Source: Politics, philosophy and economics student.

Also PPE at Oxford dominates the UK for top jobs (especially in gov or journalism), so some of the smartest and influential people have studied philosophy at some point (in the UK anyway).

It's also one of the most personally rewarding degrees you could do (if you care about the wider world and history) as you study various highly influential writers from many fields.

>>933663
> whilst the other two are generally thought of as "more valuable" or "a better degree choice".#

Just want to say that although i used quotation marks, I agree that the other 2 are more valuable and better choices for degrees

Poorfag here. Is it possible to learn comp eng by yourself? Is there enough resources online to do so? i have time and motivation

>study applied physics
>literally study how to invent and innovate new technologies based on the latest scientific theories.
>come up with some great innovation like figuring out how to use the newly discovered massless particles with electrical charge in electronics
>become billionaire

enjoy your soulsucking finance job
make sure you get a good coke dealer that won't kill you for $20 and make sure you eat your veggies because that alcohol addiction you're gonna develop to cope with it all will beat the shit out of your liver.

>>933801
no, not at all. don't listen to all those people who say you can. Nobody will hire you and you really need a lecturer to learn properly. If you are poor apply to need blind colleges or use federal aid.
If you are a very biz person, get a degree from some local state college. Get a middle class job and manage your finances or investments well.

>>933804

>thinking you're going to become a billionaire through STEM

Never gonna happen, buddy. That "soul sucking" finance job is going to lead to a lot more bux in the long run.

>>933804
kek'd'. it's funny how butthurt people get for finance degrees. traditionally finance, trade etc. just pay insanely well compared to tech. it's the easiest way to big bucks. banking is a rigged business after all.

i dont know about states but in europe engineers are overwhelmingly the number 1 largest unemployed professional group. just way too many of them, completely flooded.

>>933820

>>933857
>marketing majors
absolutelydisgusting.bmp

>>933831
Midwest US here, just graduated with finance degree. Things are not looking up.

>>933841
lol. You can get financial aid, can't you? don't listen to those people who let debt be a mental weight. Just get debt and don't give a fuck. If you have already worked a shit job that will motivate you to get do good in school, you are already ahead of everyone else. How old are you?

Go to a local community college you can learn some code monkey skills there, get a crummy job and pay fr a 4 year degree.

DO NOT GO TO A FOR PROFIT SCHOOL.

Physics degree, work in oilfield as engineer.
70k, but I only work 26 weeks a year and housing and some food is provided.

How is it that computer programming is god tier and networking is great tier, but both are getting outsourced to Indians?

Seriously, job growth for them is shit, pay is low, and they're just terrible fields of work.

>>933870
midwest top kek. im not murrican but finance is definitely concetrated to bigger cities there. chicago, toronto, ny etc. big cities mainly cause bank are there. finance degree is a killer because banks hire mostly only finance, enocomists and very skilled programmers. not too many of those people. and banking is big as fuck.

>>930980
>law enforcement
>good tier

40k a year good tier? enjoy your trailer park Cletus.

>>930980
>nothing in finance
>engineering all the top ones

Underage wannabe engineering faggot confirmed. Enjoy being a waiter for 10 years while you look for a job with your over saturated bachelors.

>>933914
>work as web dev
>lost a client because indians will "take care of the website from now on"
>a month passes
>client calls in panic because shit is falling apart left and right
>get paid double rate to build a new intranet for them

indians aye aye

>>933870
and yeah, if you want some young single lady pussy every weekend, your only bet is the east coast large cities.

im sorry that's just how it is. if you are a decent looking male with a degree and job, jesus, they will battle each other over you. huge demand of young men there.

>>933870

>>933940
nice correlation here lel

So finance is better than Comp science I hear?
>Is this true?
>More money?
>More social skills required?

>>930980
these threads are so fucking retarded.
a degree is only as good as what you can do with it you fucking plebs.

>>933944
>Comp = Computer Shit
>Finance = Businessman

>>933949
What's your argument there? I see none.

>>933950
Businessman = business things
>$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

>>933940
Where the white women at?

>>933971
Finance

>>933981
Bizness

>>930980
>geophysics lower than geology

Why

>>934100
Actually, I just noticed it's there twice. Is it God or Great tier?

>>934104
Google

Should've just become a truck driver

>>934297
>>934297
Finance

>mfw studying Econ

>>934638
>mfw
>econ
>cant find job
>goes to grad school
>still no job

>>934717
>sociology
>can't find job
>harvard grad school
>can't find job
>phd at harvard for sociology
>teaches intro to soc for first year kids who are always hungover

What's /biz/ opinion on nurses? I know one guy who is a specialist nurse and is supposedly clearing 120k a year in Houston, where CoL is p cheap.

Also how safe are jobs in the health field when the economy has a down turn?

>>933857
>>933858
These don't make any sense. There are many, many more business majors than there are engineering majors. Electrical engineers are right below business management, one of the most common majors in the country. There is a reason that it is so high when EE has so few grads yet only two respondents below.

>>933804
>enjoy your soulsucking finance job
It's funny how I never find people in finance saying bad things about finance, but somehow most people say that finance is horrible... I thought it was banking that was meant to be shitty?

>>933831
>banking is a rigged business after all.
How so? I've been meaning to learn more about it as a career choice.

> dont know about states but in europe engineers are overwhelmingly the number 1 largest unemployed professional group.
Source?

>>933870
>Things are not looking up.
Why?

>>933914
>but both are getting outsourced to Indians?
Source?

>>933933
>while you look for a job with your over saturated bachelors.
Source?

>>934766
Finance seems
>iffy

but is there still money in it by graduation
>;/

>>934801
>Finance
Legal weapons
>Risk Jailtime
Legal import export
>Big money
Tobacco Business
>Big money
Oil trade
>Big money

>Computer Science
Programmer for life
>Capped Salary
Work for google
>Capped Salary
Work for firm or consulting
>lots of money, not capped

Suggestions?

CS

>>934894
the way you format shit is fucking retarded

>>933914
>le outsourcing maymay
Outsourcing is what field growth of competent developers. Pajeet is just going to ruin everything and they'll learn a lesson about getting what you pay for.

>>930980
Fuck this seems like the relevant thread.

I'm a first year maths undergrad at a pretty solid UK uni, I want to get into research or failing that finance. What can I be doing now to improve my chances? And is there anything I should know for either of my options? (even just links to basic shit or "don't go into finance because of x").

>>934952
Abolish H1B.

>Finance
>NO poo in the loos

What do you people think about economics + a science degree? Useful? Useless?

>>934986
useful
provides understanding of global and emerging markets, also social life.

>tfw Mathematics
I tutor for $20/hr as an undergrad. What the hell can I do with a B.S.? Applied Maths PhD have better times and giggles, but I like pure. I can also program at least as good as a code monkey and quite like the science of computers.

>>935284
Build a programming portfolio and get a programming job. If you have a decent portfolio then your degree is pretty much irrelevant, just a small plus to have when finding a job.

>>934916
This.

>>935284
solved it

for those who can't:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI

>>935284
spoke to a hedge fund manager a few weeks ago and said that they basically only hire mathematicians and physicists for creating new stock market algos, and then let the CS and SE folk implement the algos.

so get a job at a hedge fund

>>935284
Or do assessments. You'll be amazed at what people will pay - I get at least $75 doing law assessments.

>people thinking stats won't be made useless by big data in 1000 years

kek

tbh your degree doesn't matter at all. If you're good at something and persistent you'll be successful at it regardless.

>>931323

How old is he?

>tfw VP of small chem eng company making between 150-300k depending on sales bonuses at 26

I don't get how people struggle so much with life. EE background for you fags shitting on stem.

What do you think about international affairs?

>>931303
I shit you not, getting a certificate for computer science is better. Same classes and crash course curriculum. No time wasted on prerequisites. You just dive in to the core material and get the fuck out.

>>935825
???
howd you go from electric to chemical?
or is the focus not as relevant at your position?

>>935867
Focus is actually on sales and marketing. Some electrical aspects within the product. Most of my engineering is on the design side and all engineers learn CAD.

>>935872
hmm
Ive had an interest in both of those things(sales, engineering), its encouraging to see its not an either/or situation like I thought

>>935599
Underrated

>>934635
Bizness

>>933858
just got my Master's in mechanical engineering - where are all these in demand jobs?

>>936176
Finance

>>936225
Any1?

>>936771
frogdick

>>936176
>be me, just graduated BSME
>got a job in aerospace that requires 5 years of experience, and preferably a Master's
Are you even trying?

>>930980
accounting, both tax and financial

>>936963

Speaking of tax accounting, does anyone have experience or knowledge as an IRS Enrolled Agent? Supposedly they can make 45k starting, and don't even require a degree, just exams. I'm planning on converting my A.S. in Biz to B.S. Accounting/Finance once I finish it up.

>>936968
I don't know man, but if you become a CPA the mean and median starting salaries are 63k and 73k respectively. that certification is pretty great

>>936984
Why not Finance or CS?

>>935284
Also, what of the actuary route? I have exam P so that's a start.

I plan on getting my cpa so that I can become a small business tax consultant. I'm graduating this semester. What steps should I take to do this. My resume is weak and I didn't try in college. Below 3.5 GPA :\ I'm taking those do it yourselves excel courses as well.

>>937049

What is your degree in? For CPA in PA you need 24 credits of accounting, 150 total college credits, 1600 hours of work experience under a CPA, and passing the test battery.

>>937068
It's the same in California. I'm graduating with a bachelor's accounting degree.

>>933831
>in europe engineers are overwhelmingly the number 1 largest unemployed professional group. just way too many of them, completely flooded.
>source: my anus

its the area which is the complete opposite of being flooded

STEM's a reddit meme anyways.

There's no STEM crisis, study something else unless you're willing to be a code monkey for shit pay.

>>937255
Study what?

>>937271
Stick to STEM if you're going for your Master's or PhD.

Otherwise do Finance/Accounting, Econ, Nursing/Medicine

>>931288
Comp sci + math is best probably.

>>937275
Does finance require a heavy social setting, what if you are not good at talking with people?

>>937164
>in europe engineers are overwhelmingly the number 1 largest unemployed professional group. just way too many of them, completely flooded.
>source: my anus
>its the area which is the complete opposite of being flooded
Bullshit it's flooded.
Germanbro reporting in. Our government tries to scam people to go into engineering all the time in order to keep wages comparatively low and Germany attractive to industrial companies. Like 90% of them will get a starting salary between 40 and 46k€ (minus 45% tax ;1) and cap out between 60 and 65k€ (minus 45% tax ;^)
Picture: Salary for engineers with MORE than two years experience.

>>937310
>what if you are not good at talking with people?
Then you become a quant.

Finance covers all /biz/nessman of all trades.
It's is a range from Management/Organizational behavior social stuff down to cold autistic theoretical math and physics.

An example of the first would be sell side front office people who need to convince people to buy into their shitty ideas. An example of the later would be some mathematicians working to optimize the architecture and algorithms of a market makers trading system. (Even most quants are not that quantitative, so they get the real autists for jobs like this.)

>>937333
What exactly is a quant job? I've heard a lot about them but google gives me conflicting information with what I've read/heard elsewhere

>>937361
Making financial decisions based on mathematical methods, analytics & data. Trading and risk management, usually. Goes hand in hand with programming algos usually.

>>937374
>Making financial decisions based on mathematical methods, analytics & data. Trading and risk management, usually. Goes hand in hand with programming algos usually.
That sounds very similar to actuary.

>>935284
the answer is x = x

>>933886
>DO NOT GO TO A FOR PROFIT SCHOOL.
why not? no stanfords or harvards?

>>930980
>tfw electrical engineer
>tfw 12k$ a year
>tfw second world country

>>937333
>Does finance require a heavy social setting, what if you are not good at talking with people?

I can talk with people, but I feel i'm not *good enough* so to speak. So pretty much sales would be out of the question, but other things I can probably handle.

>>938154
Nah. Other people can tell if you think that and will feast upon it and you your entire life. You might be able to buy groceries and possibly bag them but that's probably your limit.

OK FUCK IT. I don't want to work in some shitty bank scamming people with mutual funds in hopes I climb the corporate ladder.

How long would it take to gain enough skills to become a competent programmer if I have an unlimited supply (prescription) of adderall?

>>931327
Dead accurate.

Social worker here, can verify a meh tier experience in this industry.

It's not glamourous, the salary sucks unless you work for the goveenment or the city, but holy hell there are a lot of open jobs in this field with a huge turnover rate. Mental illness and human suffering are renewable natural resources that never diminish and the industry grows as the markets plummet. Infinite job security and career support once you're in.

>>932429
I got a degree in biology and like the bioinformatics side of it with CRISPR and stuff. I would go back for a masters in bioinformatics if I could. I just had a shitty GPA and am terrible at wet lab work and keeping things sterile.

>>938289
Take compsci and programming classes at a jc to see if you can cut it at all.

In the meantime start with codecademy. It's free and if you want to get into webdev for business stuff you can learn HTML there too. Codecademy is kind of babby's first tier but it helped me figure out that I'm a natural.

I have a useless degree

how do I break into programming

>>938356
Dude I just posted a response to that question in the post above yours.
>>938356

>tfw majored in electrical engineering in university
>wasn't hard because I actually wanted to do it
>probably studied like 3 hours a day and made a 3.8 GPA by graduation at a uni that was ranked like ~28 for EE, 3 paid internships
>make 105K a year at 26

This life shit isn't hard if you're smart, anons. Being good-looking helps, too.

>>938353
No classes. I'll try code academy though to see what's up about it. I'm not computer retarded I was phishing people when I was 12 but never coded my own stuff.

>>932386
This. The teachers at my school were making 65k-130k a year in 2012. And I went to a public school. Look it up reavis high school salaries

whats the diff with CS and CIS job market/salary?

>>938881
Or should I just major in Accounting/Finance?

>>937275
seems like good advice

>>938298
Why aren't all the unemployed sjw doing this then?

Is a B.S. in maths or physics a good backup if electrical engineering doesn't work out?

My grandma is paying for university and I just don't want to waste it/want to be useful to society when I graduate/want a job that is actually worth 40K+ per year.

Is MIS (Management Information Systems) or BIS (Business Information Systems a bad major? Am I fucked? I've got a fair few cisco certs to my name from HS.

>>940493
>40K+ per year
I'd sure like to see you aim higher, anon.

>>938496
>Being good-looking helps
So, you're smart then

>>931187
SHHH According to op only engineers the peons of the science world are any good at anything.

Actual list

>>940539
>butthurt Finance major
You forgot to put Computer Science anywhere.
Also you forgot the obvious Master Degree.
And you're too US-centric.
Absolute trash.

>>940554
>You forgot to put Computer Science anywhere.
Aha, aha, aha. Interesting!

>>940554
>And you're too US-centric
Whats the difference between the US market and other first world markets?

>>940539
>Every degree I'm interested in is in Worthless tier
Having a job I'd find enjoyable and a good future is too much to ask for. I'll continue acting like it's possible anyways, as usual.

>>940605
Which degrees are those? Because all I see are a bunch of unrelated fields.

>>940608
Biology, Criminal Justice, and Criminology.

>>940612
>Criminal Justice, and Criminology
a) what the hell are those even?
b) why arent these sort of things integrated into law degrees?
c) why dont you just get a law degree?

>>940612
By themselves, they're shit, but can help you get better advanced degrees

>>940560
be aware: there is a range of computer science degrees between a "Bachelor" in "computer programming" (that wouldn't even be a degree in Europe) and a phd in computer science, for example a Bachelor in computer science and a master in computer science.
For some reason you seem to think they aren't superb while they actually are. "Agricultural Economics" belongs straight into the trash bin. And the best below phd level degrees you could possibly hold are electrical engineering and medicine.

>>940621
>for example a Bachelor in computer science
Which is on the list. Are you people blind?

>"Agricultural Economics" belongs straight into the trash bin
Might wanna have a look at demographics developments.

>>932387
That's my plan!

>>940539
>great tier
>all engineer guys who are making money and are smart and hardworking
>"you're likely a beta male"
>good tier
>"so much room for advancement. finance is here and that's my major. :^)"

dropped

>>930980
Would a Finance major w/ minor in accounting be worth it?

>>940935
only you yourself can make it worth

>>940539
UPDATED Ver. 1.1

SHILLING DISCARDED

Exactly how hard is it to get into investment banking? Finance major that is going to Emory for grad school soon. Would landing top 10 in my class land me into an investment bank or would I need a doctorate from an ivy league?

>>937945
>>937945
Go to Harvard over trade school any day of the week. Go to any high ranking uni over trade schools.

It may be safe to say, that unless you want a specific trade, then go to university over a trade.

>>930980
Not sure if this is the right thread to ask about this but I guess most of you actually know what youre banging on about or at least can tell me if I'm going about my choices all wrong.

I'm thinking about taking either Marketing, Economics, Banking Finance + Management or Accounting at university next year.
Which one of these do you guys think is the best course to take?
I'm in the UK and I'm currently finishing my Politics, English Literature and Economics A-levels, I got straight C's since I didn't take anything seriously my first year so I'm stuck doing re-sits hoping for straight B's and maybe an A in my English.

Any counselors at college I've talked with told me to just "do what you fancy" and my Economics teacher flat out told me I shouldn't have been a twat and taken English Lit instead of Maths and that Economics is already pointless for me at this stage anyways since I don't have maths to back it up with.

I really don't fancy having to do a third year at college just to get into maths, I only got a B in it in high school and I'm only half decent at basic maths so even if I stay behind a year to do a maths course I'll most likely find it hard as fuck.

Sorry for this too long, hope anyone can give me a little wisdom since anyone I know has just given me the most bland advice imaginable.

>>941563
All of those besides economics are valid.

>english lit
kek

If you're bad at math then just do marketing if you're good with people

>>940539
>tfw double major in two "worthless" degrees
living the dream

>>940946
>doctors don't required PhDs
Wait, really?

>>941575
No, they need MDs. Some will go MD/PhD to do medical research, though

Is it worth it to get a Masters in Mathematics?

Thinking vet is lower than medicine.


Im 5 years out of vet school. And i am making 225k a year.

CCNP 2 year associates 80k average
CCNA 1 YEAR 40k
CC** 180k

>>940946
Thinking doctors make that much starting.

I have friends who are residents making 50-60k working for top 15 hospitals.

They also have 300k+ in debt from school.

Meanwhile as a vet, i started out at 80k , now make 225k (5years later , as a branch manager with profit share and bonus , for a successful practice in a large city)

I know vet specialist who can pull 600k a year

>>940539
>>930980
>Trusting literal memes with your future

These memes got old fast. I can't help butlaugh at anyone that thinks a marketing, business, etc degree are somehow "better" than any other non stem major. You can get an office job with a fucking gender studies major if you can sell yourself.
And ultimately a stem major is worth little if you hate it. What does money matter if you hate your job?

>>941645
Man good for you.
That seems pretty extraordinary considering the average pay/debt for veterinarians.

>>941648
Rofl at trusting memes with your literal future

>>941645
Damn I heard vet pay sucked, like you'd only make 60k. I'd have to say it would be more fun to learn Zoology then Chemistry probably.

>>941725
It all depends if you run your own business or work for someone else.

>>941691
>>941725
Starting pay in my area is 80k.

Large animal vets throw the numbers off, so do usda inspector ( which are often vets too)

If you go work for banfield yeah you start at 50k. But thats where the c students go.

>>941774
I started out at 80k working for a well known veterinarian. ( former AVMA president) at his successful practace.

>>941725
Tough shit. Vet school is heavy on O chem.


And not much on zoology. (lots of comparative biology and anatomy)

>>941691
By day i fix kittens. By night i fap to furry porn.


( not really, but i am a secret weeb)

>>931320

When I was in my 4th year, I worked as a tutor in the university. I was making $100+ per hour of work. However it was only 3 times a week. I wish I continued on with that... :\

>>933183

operations research is good to learn if you go through the optimisation side of it.

>>930980
Your salary cap for comp sci is horseshit but I agree with the things above comp sci at least as far as pay goes

I don't know about a cap but I just got an offer for 100k in Texas as a new cs grad. Yall fags are just delusional

>>930980
How exactly will an anatomy degree help you get a great tier job? Serious question cause I kinda have one

>Job

Enjoying being a wage slave for the rest of your life. Mean while I'm actually aiming to achieve bigger things than simply making some other guy richer.

Entrepreneur master race.

>>941563
Just to let you know, you don't need the maths for economics.

I didn't do a full economics degree because i thought i couldn't do the maths in it.
I now do 3 subjects (PPE) which involves economics modules that full economics students are doing with no more math training than what I did in GCSE maths (I got a B at school too).

Sure, A-level maths helps, but isn't necessary because I didn't need it, and my labouring efforts are split between three subjects.

As for what you best choice would be, only you decide.

If you're after money over anything else, them choices are generally good ones. If you're doing accounts make sure you know what it involves or else you'll drop out. I wanted to become an accountant, tried AS accounts and dropped that shit instantly.

>>943236

>PPE

lmaOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO they brought this degree in at my uni and its full of dumbshits i never had to deal with till i took philosophy

>>931327
This, had a friend who coded freelance for a couple years. No college, HS drop out, but always coding her own programs and contract work. Now has a real job with whatever schedule she wants and makes 100k a year at 22.
Also an MtF for any SJWs who still think that those people can't get anywhere in life.

>Bachelor of CS
>Major in Comp Sec/ Software Eng
>Scholarship in last year of uni, got to work for a year for $40,000 tax free instead of going to/paying for uni
>Penetration tester
>Security in Australia is shit, majority of work is easy, enjoyable and actually laughalbe
>$900 AUD a day

Why do people think that working under someone will lead to suicide?
I have enough contacts now to start penetration testing on my own, but I'm happy with how things are.
I work, go home to my nice house and have time for social life, hobbies, and making money with apps on the side.

>>943292
22yo mtfs are q-t-pies though. and they're good for the socially responsible image. good strategy though, too bad I'm too hairy and masculine to be a qtpie

Should I just sell my soul already and become a software engineer?

I hate my degree, but I'm a natural at programming and stuff like solidworks.

>>943313
Same guy from >>943303
My advice - forget about how good you are at programming, unless you have 0 social skills.
Programmers typically have 0 social skills, that's why they stay as programmers.

If you want to move up the chain in the software engineering industry, work on your social skills.

>>943319
Not a problem for me. I'm working as a teacher right now in the sciences. I love public speaking and selling myself.

Almost became an insurance agent but figured out I hated it.

What's penetration testing? Are you just paid to break into people's systems and check security? Sounds like my kind of job.

>>943321
That's good news for you. I received a scholarship and my marks weren't even the best. But the people with the best marks just couldn't even speak three words without stuttering in an interview.
> break into people's systems and check security
Yeah, basically that. Used to be a black box tester where I started in the same position as a hacker would; usually remote attacks with little information.
Now I do a mix of everything, white box, black box, and even physical penetration tests (Trying to gain access to the physical locations of organisations.)
Shits so fun

>>943327
Do you think cryptosecurity is the way of the future?

I keep hearing about this "new age" of companies taking online database security more seriously; having experts on-call and everything. Sounds lucrative.

>>943335
I wouldn't say cryptosecurity specifically, but security in general, especially here in Aus where the Government has made it the law for all ISPs to store client metadata.
The fact is that most security issues are human error. You can have the most secure encryption in the world, but if the guy in charge of it has a back up in clear text, the information will be leaked.

The database security talk recently is probably due to the rise in database hacks that have happened. It's a continuous pattern. The news says a website was hacked because of ___, and suddenly everyone has experts on-call to secure ___

>>943367
Makes sense. I'll do some research and give this a little more thought.

Thanks.

>>937049
I guess you should take graduate school anon. Have you been applying to jobs?

>>933896
> work in oilfield

Same here, feel like a dumb fuck for not knowing about outfield work in my early 20's. 32 years old with a business degree and this is my second year. Should finish the year out at about 75k working half the year.

Lead of my small crew makes 185k a year, highschool drop out with a GED.

Subsea "engineer", one of the biggest dumb fucks I've every met, 250k a year also no degree.

Drilling consulant? Late 30's, redneck, no degree, 350-380k a year ($1,800 a day day rate).

Half the people I work with have no degree and were probably lucky to graduate highschool and yet the average pay is 100k+ with only a few years experience while getting off half the year.

>>943641
Have you noticed a lot of people getting laid off recently?

>>932271

How are foreign languages useful, enlighten me please. Translators get payed shit, probably going to be replaced with machine translation soon too. You hope for a career in the State Department, lol?

>tfw philosophy student
We can't choose what to love

>>931433
>skipped going to school to improve their skills at a faster rate (EG: Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg,
nigger you dumb

Can I do Economics Masters if I cant get through pre-calc on Khan Academy

thx SENPAI

>>943703
saying an occupation is soon to be replaced by machines is fucking retarded, as it applies to just about any fucking job there is. well, maybe not to programming as you would be building the machines kek.

the problem with the foreign language skills is that as a translator there are people who speak couple of languages as their mother tongue, you wont be able to beat them.

so your only option is to work as a language teacher pretty much

>>943709
Do you really think you would learn faster going to a shitty university, wasting time commuting/walking around, and learning at the same pace as the low IQ normies around you as opposed to autistically learning the skills you want to learn on your own time?

>>943965
yes

dont expect to earn a living outside of academia though

Is getting a Masters In Finance to work in finance a meme?

I have a shit-tier school Bachelor is Business and want to graduate to upper middle class within 5 years.

wat do

>>930980

>/sociologyenglish/
>not /sociology/english/

speaks for itself really

>>943303
>making money with apps on the side.
literally how?

>>943703
Machine translation for a mob of refugees? Really? You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>943980
That's not true. My mother in law was a translator for the UN. She made six figures. After, she worked for a company that translated books to different languages. Between the two that was most of her working life.

>>931433
NEET alert
Back to r9k

>>934894
Are you mentally retarded, my friend?

>>931463
>tfw you dont like anything

>>944117
>Machine translation for a mob of refugees?

I said TRANSLATORS, not INTERPRETERS. Are you blind or don't know the difference between the two.
Interpreters are getting payed a little bit better, but it's a shit job and a shit career, especially if it involves dealing with
>a mob of refugees
on a daily basis

>You have no idea what you're talking about.

As if a fagget, who apparently doesn't know the difference between a translator and an interpreter does know what he's talking about.

>>943980
>so your only option is to work as a language teacher pretty much

Guess that's the way to earn a fortune. Especially if you're bad at teaching or don't like kids.

Also
>there are people who speak couple of languages as their mother tongue

You don't need to spend 4 years in college for that. Some people speak 2 languages by the time they are 3 years old.

Foreign languages as a study subject and a career path are shit tier. As all humanities are, without exception.

>>944303
More blanket statements about a field you apparently know nothing about. Which is /biz/ in a nutshell so I'm not surprised.

A lot of their documents needed to be translated (not verbally you dolt). That way people could read them in different languages shortly thereafter. She did do interpreting also when it was needed. Machines translators haven't and may never catch up, for a whole a lot of different reasons beyond the scope of this discussion.

>>944344

>She did do interpreting also when it was needed.

Nigger, please.
You have one example of a person who earns six figures and you extrapolate that example to the whole industry? It like saying the women studies are great because some bitch on youtube makes feminist videos against 'muh patriarchy" and makes mad dosh + gets a celebrity status. That's cherry-picking.

Clearly it's you who are clueless about the whole thing. How many cushy government jobs are there compared to the amount of people who are wasting their time studying foreign languages? Maybe one graduate out of a million will sit in the UN or EU parliament or some other bureaucratic cesspool (like your mother in law) and will leech the taxpayer money translating the NWO shit. The others (the absolute majority) will compete with 3rd world freelancers for peanuts. In order to earn 6 figures as a translator you have to be either an exceptional pro or have extremely good connections. In order to get to that level you need to spend ~15-20 years + have self-promotion skills + be well-connected. I have spoken with freelance translators, they all earn shit, they have to tranlslate like 200 pages of text to get about 1000 bucks. That is a fucking book. It's a bullshit shit-payed job. Soon to be replaced by machine translation. The only people who deny that are faculty deans and other academia shills, who still want to cash in, to get money from the idiots willing to get into debt for a shitty scam degree.

You could earn six figures just learning a trade and working for 2-3 years. No college degree, no debt, also you don't need to be an exceptional 1% ultra-genius in your trade or suck the UN bureaucrat's cock to get a job, you just need to be a good reliable professional.

Foreign languages are shit. Humanities are shit. Case fucking closed.

>>943705

What they even teach you there? How to read books?

>>943980

Programming jobs will be replaced too. It's obvious.

>>943641

That's more like it. Work for 10-15 years, save a shitload of money and then retire and study philosophy, foreign languages or other useless shit if you cannot live without it.

>>944414
>Nigger
>Feminist
>NWO

In response to a comment about my mother-in-law working for the UN as a translator and interpreter? You serious kid? We /pol/ now.

>In order to get to that level you need to spend ~15-20 years + have self-promotion skills + be well-connected.

She's not well connected. That much I know for sure.

God damn. Are you an only child? We're done here.

>>944854

>ad hominem
>ad hominem
>ad hominem

Nice argument here. Just as expected from a kid who doesn't know anything.

>She's not well connected. That much I know for sure.

You don't know jack shit, retardo. It is next to impossible to get a job at the UN without connections.

>We're done here.

Yes, because you've been BTFO from the thread.

>making $35k/yr
>live in nice neighborhood
>have literally everything I've ever wanted and money to spare
>never worry about bills or anything

Feels good to not have kids or a leechy gf.

>>940605
It is possible. I have a regular psychology degree and I am making 80k in a comfortable work at home job with promotions to a six figure salary in a few years.

Just gotta find a job that has a way up into a job you want.

TFW doing econ at Cambridge

>Tfw Comp. Engineering student that has no predeveloped skill

150k as a cap ain't bad but I literally had all of 0 direction my entire life and just now found something interesting to work on so it kinda sucks that I'm doomed to never be successful because I didn't have a rock solid plan as a early teenager.