/biz/ - Business & Finance

;)

Ha! you funny man.

>>934900
we'll see who's laughing on tuesday ;)

screencapped ;^)

>>934854
I can't find NEXT, only NEE trading at a similar level.

Don't fuck me tony, don't you ever fuck me

>>934969
it's listed on oslo axess. your broker might not have it available to you and if so i feel very sorry for you because it's probably going to take some time to get registered with a different broker and to fund the account. but it won't be too late to get in after tuesday if you're in it for the long term.

Symbol is $NXTBF @ $5.60 right?

>>934854
So did Microsoft announce on the 9th?

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I never know whether I should trust stock advice on /biz/. There have been a few times I have seen where someone has given solid "buy xyz tomorrow" tips, and it has worked out well for people, the stock goes up. But this is 4chan, how can I trust any of you jabronis?

I caved. I'm in for 500 shares and coming back from vacation on Tuesday. Don't fuck this up anon.

>>935067

50 shares*

>>935067
>>935069
You are a fucking idiot. But, thanks for being the liquidity of the market and filling my pockets :)

>>935037
NXTBF seems to be some kind of OTC traded thing. the $5.60 is from may 26th, you should be looking at a higher price closer to the dollar equivalent of the current price in norwegian kronor (NOK). the OTC thing might be away into it if there's a market maker so you can buy and sell it. here's the real thing though: http://www.netfonds.no/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=NEXT.OAX

>>935048
nope, the announcement on october 9th was the investment deal with two prominent billionaire technologists. the market doesn't really know who the tier 1 customer is. the way i see it, the probabilities pulled out my ass are 99.75% microsoft, 0.24% dell and 0.01% other. i actually think that both microsoft and dell are customers but that microsoft is the one that's going to be announced on tuesday. after the announcement, the "risk" that the company is full of shit will have cleared and many more people will want to get in when the incredible potential for rapid growths in revenue has been made completely obvious to everyone who knows anything about the biometrics industry. keep in mind that even it's somehow dell rather than microsoft, it's still great news.

>>935053
it's really too much to explain all at once. this post alone took more of my time than i first anticipated (it even went past the character limit ffs...)

>>935079

Lol!

>>935089
the TL;DR is basically "just trust me, or trust the billionaire investors". maybe some time in this weekend i'll spoonfeed some info but don't count on it. maybe you could do some own research like read swedish and norwegian forums through google translate, look through NEXT's official website and look at some articles in english like
>http://www.tomshardware.com/news/next-biometrics-active-thermal-principle,30112.html
>http://www.tomshardware.com/news/next-biometrics-smartphone-fingerprint-scanner,29914.html
>http://findbiometrics.com/microsoft-managers-laud-next-biometrics-25116/
>http://www.planetbiometrics.com/article-details/i/2781/
>http://www.planetbiometrics.com/article-details/i/3672/desc/microsoft-official-raises-prospect-of-windows-payments/

also
>http://nextbiometrics.com/newsroom/next_news/2014/1398.html
>The application is within the smartphone / tablet / notebook market segments. Further details will be disclosed upon the launch of the products in H2-2015.
>Many Microsoft Store retail locations will hold launch events for the Surface Pro 4 tablet on Monday, October 26
>NEXT Biometrics Group ASA (NEXT) will October 27th present the name of – and products from – its first Tier 1 Customer
>various other circumstances linking NEXT to microsoft and the microsoft surface pro 4 type cover
hmm...

OP said its a long term trade... No need to panic and buy right away. just wait and see on monday b4 buying...

>>935099
yeah i'm probably going to hold on to these for years as long as nothing truly catastrophic happens. but monday might be the only time left to get these stocks for anywhere near 150 NOK. this thing can move many percent in one day as we have seen in the last couple of weeks.

We'll see on Tuesday OP

>>934854
>shitty norwegian stock

no thanks

>>935053
>>935067
Did you buy it as NXTBF? All I seem to be able to find.

something like this might happen as the orders start coming in. that's why the tier 1 customer is so important - it shows that they're legit and other customers will be interested as well.

note that NEXT isn't a direct competitor to FPC. FPC is currently the dominant player when it comes to tiny, silicon-based (expensive) capacitive sensors used in smartphones. NEXT has larger, more reliable and more cost-effective "thermal pixel" based sensors that can be used in laptops, payment systems, locks, alarms and for other purposes.

I just won some money I'll play your little game on monday

>>934854
no.
no.
no.

>>935141
NEXT investors will get FINGered.

Don't worry.

>>935184
>>935186

Only think I could find
https://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXEURO%3ABIOTK

>>935204
that definitely isn't it. you want NEXT biometrics, not biotech.

this is the legit one:
http://www.netfonds.no/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=NEXT.OAX

NXTBF might work if there's a decent market maker for it.

It was valued as 1/4 the today value less than 3 weeks ago. Don't buy

>>935209
there was a reason for it. the price was kept low because they needed financing and there was a risk that the company would sink from a lack of financing or that the stocks would get diluted. then they got a great investment deal and also got an expanded contact network and additional know-how through the investors. if you compare their valuation to other biometrics companies, NEXT is still dirt cheap.

Anyone were able to find the legit NEXT stock trough any American brokerage? Scottrade only shows very weird NXTBF and I'm scared to buy it

some big names in this company

http://nextbiometrics.com/newsroom/next_news/2015/former_acer_president_of_pc_global_operations_joins_next_bio
>From year 1991 to 2013, Mr. Campbell Kan worked his way from a software engineer to become head of global operations for ACER, one of the world leading manufacturers of PC's. In this position (2011-2013) he managed ACER's Products, logistics, procurement and quality assurance functions worldwide. He will now plan, build and manage growth of the same functions within NEXT BIOMETRICS GROUP.
>Additionally Campbell will assume responsibility of NEXT Sales in Asia. He has throughout his career built a strong and trusted name among Asian TIER-1's in the notebook, tablet and smartphone space. In addition to management of the NEXT Asian sales force, he will personally handle the major and strategically important TIER-1 acccounts.
>CAMPBELL KAN comments: «Having studied the NEXT Technology and their management approach to the market, I am thrilled about the huge business opportunities and am honored to join this company. Here I can enjoy being a part of a fast moving team, with a unique technology in a fast growing market. Along with the NEXT CEO I truly believe I can make significant contributions capitalizing on my broad experience in operations and product management within major NEXT segments like notebooks, tablets and smartphones.»

http://nextbiometrics.com/company/the_board_of_directors/

http://nextbiometrics.com/company/the_advisory_board/
>Max Wu
>Mr. Wu has over 30 years of experience in the Taiwanese IT industry. As one of the first employees at ACER, he served within the Acer Group over 20 years as head of R&D, marketing, purchasing and customer service department, etc. He was the PRESIDENT OF ACER AMERICA from 1993 to 2000. Since 2008, Max has actively supported the NEXT project. He is very well connected within the Taiwanese IT industry.
>Bert Nordberg
>Mr. Nordberg is a highly experienced top executive in the telecom/mobile space. He is Swedish and has a long career within the Ericsson system where he has held a number of top positions including CEO of SONY ERICSSON Mobile Communications. Bert held this position until SONY acquired ERICSSON's shares in May 2012. After this he chose to invest privately in NEXT BIOMETRICS GROUP and also agreed, where appropriate, to help with his vast experience. Mr Nordberg is also a member of the BlackBerry Board of Directors and the Hewlett Packard Communication Advisory Board.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/09/us-next-biometrics-shareissue-idUSKCN0S30HV20151009
>Melker Schorling is one of Sweden's most prominent investors and his investment company Melker Schorling AB owns major stakes in companies like measurement technology and software firm Hexagon, lock maker Assa Abloy and security firm Securitas.
>Ola Rollen, CEO at Hexagon, also holds a big stake in Next's Swedish peer Fingerprint Cards, and during Rollen's 15-year reign at Hexagon, the firm's market value has risen from a few billion Swedish crowns to the current 95 billion.

http://www.planetbiometrics.com/article-details/i/2781/
>“We have experienced a massive growth in customer projects and need to grow our organisation to serve these, “ said CEO Tore Etholm-Idsoe comments.
>“Over the last months engineers from Microsoft, ASIC designers from Cypress and FAE's from ST Micro and Qualcomm have joined NEXT. We are of course very pleased to see that NEXT is perceived as an attractive employer by top class technologists".

>>935846
>>935847
>>935849
cool story bro. No one can buy Norwegian stocks anyway

Some of you guys are alight,

don't buy NEXT tomorrow.

>>936020
kek

>>936006
>murrica
well maybe your broker can still help you out somehow. like on avanza you can buy for example volkswagen with a phone call even though it's not on their website.

>>936020
>saturday
>monday
>tomorrow
go home, you're drunk

Appears to be 2 NXTBF stocks:
http://www.morningstar.com/stocks/XOSL/NEXT/quote.html
This whole thread seems reaaaaally sketchy. Should I dump life savings into it?

http://www.morningstar.com/stocks/PINX/NXTBF/quote.html
NXTBF has the exact same name wtf?
>Next Biometrics Group ASA provides sensors for fingerprint authentication. It is engaged in research & development, commercialization & manufacturing of fingerprint technology & products for use in smartphone, tablets, mobile devices, usb & secure tokens.
both point to the exact same website, despite op telling us not trade nxtbf.

nope
nope
nope
fucking norway, go release anders into the general public, stupid faggots.

>>936308
>http://www.morningstar.com/stocks/XOSL/NEXT/quote.html
that one looks legit actually

>>936309
>http://www.morningstar.com/stocks/PINX/NXTBF/quote.html
i'm not familiar with OTC traded stocks but i'm assuming that with NXTBF you don't buy shares directly from the market, you buy them through some other company. NXTBF might work but i'd recommend NEXT if you have it available to you.

don't put all your life savings into it (actually you could go all-in if you have the balls and if you don't have all that much savings so that you can afford to lose some money because you don't have much to lose in the first place) but imo it's worth a shot to put at least a little bit into it. huge potential and good risk/reward ratio. i'm in it with 16% of my portfolio >>934920

here's a run-down of how the technology works:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/next-biometrics-active-thermal-principle,30112.html

they've patented it and own exclusive rights to it until the year 2025, so other manufacturers will be stuck with more expensive solutions like capacitive and ultrasonic sensors. NEXT is also working on flexible sensors for use on smartcards (credit/debit cards, ID cards, access cards, time registration cards) that will be flexible like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU0hb-2Srj4

here's an explanation of how the technology works:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/next-biometrics-active-thermal-principle,30112.html

they've patented it and own exclusive rights to it until the year 2025, so other manufacturers will be stuck with more expensive solutions like capacitive and ultrasonic sensors. NEXT is also working on flexible sensors for use on smartcards (credit/debit cards, ID cards, access cards, time registration cards) that will be flexible like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU0hb-2Srj4 [Embed]

>Rollen said he saw a bright future for Next, in part due to the firm's thermal technology being less brittle than silicon wafers used by other peers, a key characteristic as credit cards need to be able to bend.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/09/next-biometrics-shareissue-idUSL8N12915820151009

not on muh robinhood

Fingerprint cards AB is a much much safer investment in the same category. Their have almost complete dominance across the board.

Heres from their investor portal:

"CEO’s comments
Revenues for the second quarter of 2015 totaled SEK 445 M, up
912% year-on-year, and 218% compared with the first quarter of
2015. The sharp increase in revenues was due to a broad-based
decision by smartphone suppliers earlier this year to introduce
touch fingerprint sensors in their smartphones, which accelerated
market growth, and to FPC’s ability, through our strong market
position due to leading technology and a broad product portfolio, to
meet customer needs."

http://www.fingerprints.com/corporate/en/financial-information/financial-reports/interim-reports/

Next still hasnt shown they can make money, and they have been in the game just as long...
Think of NEXT as WMT, and FPC as AMZN.

And ask yourself the question would you rather own?

>>936548
FPC's stock will keep going up for some time, but not as rapidly as NEXT. FPC is starting to hit its peak as the smartphone market will start to get saturated and new competitors will take market shares. then imagine what will happen to the stock as the projected growth rate starts to slow down. FPC hasn't won over apple and samsung and there are 5-6 chinese companies that are working on their own capacitive sensors that will compete directly against FPC.

NEXT has only just released their ultra-thin, bezel-less, low-power sensor with pitch-black coating suitable for smartphones, notebooks and tablets. contracts are only good for about 1 year in the smartphone world so what do you think will happen when NEXT can offer much better prices for the same size or larger sensors that have already been validated by tier 1 customers? and smartphones isn't even NEXT's only area of focus, they have huge advantages in non-smartphone segments.

http://nextbiometrics.com/newsroom/next_news/2015/next_biometrics_launches_sensor_coating_compliant_with_desig
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/next-biometrics-smartphone-fingerprint-scanner,29914.html

when FPC was still "small", and the orders started coming in. that's when you really would have wanted to own the stock. that's pretty much where NEXT is right now.

>>936569
Next sensors use much more power and very innaccurate in small sizes. They plain out suck. Watch when the "tier 1" customer is revealed to be something shitty.

>>936569
and furthermore, the total market size will grow.

Credit cards... Smartcards... Doorlocks. Possibilities are endless.

really tempted to buy a couple just for fun

i have no idea what i'm doing though

Fingerprints sensors on phones/tablets are stupid, nobody uses them, too much of a hassle.

>>936613
>Next sensors use much more power
power
power consumption is being improved. it's not a big issue.

>Etholm-Idsoe adds that "we find that NXP with their focus on low-power and the NEXT offering is a natural match. NXP is a leading innovator in the microcontroller space and NEXT is excited to demonstrate a low-power, biometrics solution that enhances user convenience with mobile devices. NEXT is one of the key fingerprint sensor producers able to meet the high quality requirements for biometrics today."
>NXP Semiconductor's Jake Alamat, senior director and GM, microcontroller segment product line says, "We are pleased to be working with NEXT on improving user experience in smartphones as well as other embedded low-power applications.The ability for the fingerprint sensor to be always-on while consuming minimal power provides unique opportunities across a wide range of markets."
http://nextbiometrics.com/newsroom/next_news/2015/next_biometrics_and_nxp_demonstrate_fingerprint_authenticati

>very innaccurate in small sizes
see pic related
>Watch when the "tier 1" customer is revealed to be something shitty.
the customer has bought a 7-digit number of units and another +20% units after that. it's a house-hold brand that even this guy's mom >>934913 is familiar with.

>>936624
just make sure that your broker provides access to the stock. you're looking for the NEXT ticker symbol listed on oslo axess.

also keep in mind the time zone difference. the norwegian stock market is open from 9:00 to 16:25 CET.

you might want to buy more than a couple depending on your broker's fees. but on avanza for instance you can buy 2 shares for just a 1 NOK fee.

>>936626
if they're convenient enough to use, a lot of people will use them. FPC's and synaptics' line sensors are absolutely disgusting, but well-functioning area sensors save having to do the swipe pattern or type a pin code to unlock the phone.

>>936626
and they'll be used for payments of course

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/99256/20151025/android-6-0-marshmallow-adds-fingerprint-authentication-for-google-play-purchases.htm
http://www.apple.com/apple-pay/
https://www.paypal-pages.com/samsunggalaxys5/us/index.html
http://www.cio.com/article/2890887/samsung/how-samsung-pay-works-nfc-mst-security-faqs.html
http://www.planetbiometrics.com/article-details/i/3672/desc/microsoft-official-raises-prospect-of-windows-payments/

>>936624
Same, but all I can find is the otc nxtbf stock. Which I think I can get through vanguard, anything else might be too long / too much of a hassle.
>>936626
A good amount of people use them, especially as it's becoming ubiquitous. I think it's just that most people are content with old iphones that don't have it. When they upgrade they for sure will.

>>936669
>Same, but all I can find is the otc nxtbf stock. Which I think I can get through vanguard
And how do you think this is going to work? You going to make an order for $5.60?

>>936748
i'm guessing that during the opening hours a market maker will offer bid/ask prices in USD (even though the "real" stock is traded in NOK) with the prices depending on how the "real" stock changes in price. the price should be more than $5.60 ($5.60 is from may 26th). if there is no market maker and you can only bid/ask whatever, then stay away from it.

>>936756
So my question is, what makes you believe that NXTBF will suddenly awake after the pause from May 26th? If it was a pause, and not just abandoning

>>936757
it seems to be listed on "Nasdaq OTC Foreign" (https://www.nordnet.se/mux/web/marknaden/aktiehemsidan/index.html?identifier=NXTBF&marketid=21))

>Volume
>Liquidity is lighter in the OTC market. That means that if you're looking to sell shares of a stock you own in the OTC market, you might not be able to cash in as quickly as you'd like. There are fewer market participants, known as dealers in the OTC markets, performing trades for investors. Sometimes you might have to just wait to buy or sell a stock.
http://budgeting.thenest.com/overthecounter-market-different-nasdaq-new-york-stock-exchange-29611.html

so it seems sketchy. if no one is providing liquidity in NXTBF then you might not be able to buy and sell it properly.

>>936757
but if there is a "dealer" or a market maker available, then the low activity in NXTBF could be explained by that there were just very few people interested in it, and maybe there were still dealers that were offering bid/ask prices just that no one bought/sold from them

bumpity bump

we're up 7,5% today so far at 165 NOK

last chance to get in before the announcement tomorrow. try not to get too high expectations but it's gonna be freaking amazing

>>934854
a pump and dump that OP is shilling, neat.

>>937451
i'm not even going to dump them though

and it turns out that most people ITT can't even buy the damn thing kek

>>937452
wtf is Bahnhof? train station?

>>937471
https://www.avanza.se/aktier/om-aktien.html/106733/bahnhof-b

they run data centers and host servers and whatnot, and to consumers they provide fiber optic broadband, TV and telephony. they are big on privacy and personal integrity. they're also innovative in that they capture the heat generated by their servers and sell the heat back to the city for heating purposes. their earnings report that's coming tomorrow could be interesting especially since they recently acquired another broadband provider and they have a big new data center in the works that's going to cost around 1 billion swedish crowns. the stock has steadily been going upward as long as the founder jon karlung has been the CEO. the biggest risk to the stock is if jon karlung stops being the CEO.

>>937477
noice gainz, i'd take them (get out while you can)

>>937480
hehe my mom's been telling me for some time to get out but i still have faith in it. but at least i'm a little bit diversified now that i have NEXT too :^)

>>937484
i guess you deserve to get fucked then...

>>937497
no risk, no reward :^)

>>937503
you had your reward but you don't want it
one bird in the cage is better than two in the bush

>>937516
you've known about the stock for 2 hours and you're telling me what to do with it? mind your own business. credit suisse has bought almost 8000 stocks today and not sold a single one. why should i sell when i don't even need the money right now? (that was a rhetorical question FYI)

>>937523
someones mad :-D

>>937531
yes, and it's not me

>>937533
obviously :)

>>937533
I ask you that you refrain from posting that picture as much as possible because of the potential cancer victims

Even if this wasn't a pump a dumb, don't you think other informed and/or analytical investors would have capitalised on any inefficiency in the share price already given that money is fungible and professional investors have far more at hand then you?

Feel free to donate multiples of the money you would have lost from this nonsense to the Machine Intelligence Research Institute in California, when you have made it big slowly by saving and investing in a safe index fund.

>>937551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wVagQ_LVd4

"IT'S OVER, NEXT IS FINISHED AND BANKRUPT"
>PORTLAND, Ore., Oct. 26, 2015 /PRNewswire/
>InFocus Introduces Kangaroo, the $99 Mobile Desktop and World's Smallest Personal, Portable PC.
>Pocket-sized Windows 10 PC delivers full desktop experience with Windows Hello fingerprint reader, integrated battery for portability and Windows functionality on other devices
>http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/infocus-introduces-kangaroo-the-99-mobile-desktop-and-worlds-smallest-personal-portable-pc-300165723.html
>Foxconn owns InFocus
>Foxconn has a large stake in Next Biometrics

jeez man i panic-sold a third of my stocks and then i bought them right back again. at least i got them back for the same price as i sold them for i just lost the fees. there's no way it's Foxconn and even if it is i'll gladly take the risk.

>SECURITY IS ONLY A SWIPE AWAY
http://www.kangaroo.cc/joye.php

definitely not NEXT because NEXT has touch sensors, not swipe sensors

we ended up at +5,86% at 162,50 NOK after that bombshell with the InFocus Kangaroo. trading's closed and the announcement is coming before trading opens tomorrow so we'll see. i guess it's actually a good thing with something to lower people's expectations so that if the news are proper good then the bar to impress isn't set as high as before.

http://www.androidauthority.com/foxconns-little-known-secret-infocus-570423/

if it actually is Foxconn/InFocus we might find ourselves on smartphones. not bad.

inb4 bankruptcy

>>937604
keep dreamerino.

Fingerprints 8% up

Hope you guys listened to me and not this faggot.

we'll see tomorrow ;)

FINGFAGS BTFO

>Synaptics Fingerprint Driver

https://kangaroo-infocus.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205741276-Kangaroo-Mobile-Desktop-Manuals-Downloads

>>937612
+12,53%

>>937662
next was up 14,01% at one point during the day. just you wait until the tier 1 has been announced, it's going to be harder for fingfags to spread their FUD after that.

So any stock on the US stock exchange I can bet on now?

>>937710
the weight watchers stock was super hot right after oprah winfrey bought into it. but its short-term potential might have been played out already (i haven't kept up with it). it might have some long-term potential with mobile apps and with oprah's business plans and endorsements. but again i haven't read up on it or looked into its valuation and such things (it may or may not be overvalued right now).

http://blogs.windows.com/devices/2015/10/26/surface-sales-start/
>We’re even offering a version of the Surface Pro 4 Type Cover with a fingerprint reader so you can take advantage of Windows Hello for near-instant authentication. Because the dimensions of the two devices are the same, the Surface Pro 4 Type Cover is also an excellent upgrade for your Surface Pro 3.

FING's market cap INCREASED by 2.85 billion swedish crowns today.

meanwhile, NEXT has a TOTAL MARKET CAP of 1.84 billion norwegian crowns.

when it comes to long-term percentual growth... i choose the little guy.

>>937897
>FING's market cap INCREASED by 2.85 billion swedish crowns today
and that's not even counting FING A, just FING B

hmm

>>937934
that's still only 7% the market cap of FING and it's only been a couple of weeks. if NEXT gains 1000%, it's still only 79% of the current market cap of FING. if FING were to gain 1000% from here, it would have a larger market cap than ericsson...

>>937944
do you expect them to have similar sales to FING?

>>937951
long-term, yes. computers, phones, online banking, online storage encryption, credit/debit cards, ID cards, access cards, time registration cards, locks, alarms. FING has smartphones and maybe payment cards in the future. there are limitations to what you can do with silicon wafers and they will either hit a ceiling with that or move on to something else like graphene. NEXT on the other hand uses ordinary polysilicon display fabs which is highly scalable for low-cost manufacturing and you can make sensors of various sizes (even big ones like for scanning the entire hand for very high security applications - try doing that with silicon!) and even flexible sensors for smartcards and wearable technology.

>>937956
but the gist of it is fingerprint scanners?

>>937964
yes, both NEXT and FING make fingerprint sensors. but the sensors work in different ways and there are pros and cons of each technology.

could it really be microsoft?? it seems quite plausible, but wow this is awesome if it is. i guess that's why they're doing the web-cast and all, since it's so awesome.

it'll be intredasting to see the announcement tomorrow :)

>>935089 (Me)
>the market doesn't really know who the tier 1 customer is. the way i see it, the probabilities pulled out my ass are 99.75% microsoft, 0.24% dell and 0.01% other. i actually think that both microsoft and dell are customers but that microsoft is the one that's going to be announced on tuesday. after the announcement, the "risk" that the company is full of shit will have cleared and many more people will want to get in when the incredible potential for rapid growths in revenue has been made completely obvious to everyone who knows anything about the biometrics industry. keep in mind that even it's somehow dell rather than microsoft, it's still great news.

>>937599
Cup and handle?

I know they are meant to be for much larger time frames.

>>935053
Because we're you, Todd.

>>938014
tomorrow's announcement will be the major decider for the large-scale movements. the 5-minute auction at the end kinda ruins the chart formation but yeah it will probably turn out to have the effect of a cup and handle nonetheless :)

people were selling off their shares (even i was doing it) because of the InFocus Kangaroo and as people came to their senses the stock went back up again really quickly, tapped 170 and dipped again but to a milder degree.

>>934854
Is it worth spending some saving money on it ? What site should I use ( I'm from Belgium. )

>>938050
if the news tomorrow are positive then yes i'd say you could definitely put a part of your savings into it. i don't use https://www.degiro.eu/ but they might have access to NEXT and their fees are low.

the NEXT web-cast starts at 08:45 CET if you're interested in watching it live at http://publisher.qbrick.com/Embed.aspx?mcid=520E2D689D825EF2&width=640&height=360&as=0

>>938059
but the web-cast will probably be in norwegian so you probably won't understand much of what they're saying

>>938059
Okay, i'll try to figure out how it works on Degiro. I'm fairly new to this, I hope this works out. I'm okay knowing I can lose it though. I'm wondering, what do you think in near future. Do you think it will go up, did you also buy stocks?

>>938064
i believe it will go up a lot most likely. hundreds of percent, maybe more than a thousand percent sooner or later (could take years) but it depends of course on competitors and such things (but NEXT has exclusive rights to its particular technology until the year 2025). i own shares in NEXT and you can see my portfolio here: >>937452. i only have two different stocks but it's because i choose my stocks carefully.

>>938068

Degiro.eu isn't working for me, I do not know why. Do you have any other sites that are any good ?

>>938072
weird, the page loads for me. try
http://www.degiro.be/
i don't know which stock brokers are available in belgium sorry.

>>938075
>http://www.degiro.be/
Well, it is working for me too ( should've been more specifically ). It wont let me upload money to their online platform. So eh, that sucks.

>>938077
have you registered as a customer already? it shouldn't be a problem to fund the account. you could try asking their customer service.

>>938079
I tried too, but you have to upload money to your account. Thats where its telling me it cannot charge my card for some reason. ( Yes, there is money on it. Might have to say that too, haha. )

>>938082
hmm ok. i would suggest talking with your bank first and foremost and then degiro. i will go to bed now, good luck to you.

it's dell

Their big customer is Dell.

NEXT believes smart cards alone will be bigger than smartphones [when it comes to fingerprint sensors]

NEXT has more notebooks in the pipeline (but they're under NDA so they can't talk more about them)

NEXT believe we will see their sensors in high-end smartphones where security is important and where it's unacceptable to have a pin code that bypasses the fingerprint sensor like their competitors

a nice Q3 report from Bahnhof. a record revenue of 173 million SEK and 9702 new private customers this quarter (over 200 000 fiber broadband customers in total). the business side makes up 75.9 million SEK of this quarter's revenue which is also a new record.

investors will be welcome to invest in Bahnhof's daughter company Elementica which will erect a 750 million SEK, 21 megawatt data center which will be directly connected to the electricity and heating infrastructure in central stockholm. there are currently 20 million shares in Elementica and an additional 2 million shares will be issued for Private Placement (not listed on a stock exchange) in lots of 1000, 5000 and 25000 stocks costing 11 SEK each. the rest of the funding will come primarily from bank loans. through Elementica it will be possible to sell data center services with an electricity cost of only $0.05 per kWh. facebook in 10 years time could have saved 65 million dollars on this. instead they release the heat straight into the air as waste.

http://www.elementica.se/

a nice Q3 report from Bahnhof. a record revenue of 173 million SEK and 9702 new private customers this quarter (over 200 000 fiber broadband customers in total). the business side makes up 75.9 million SEK of this quarter's revenue which is also a new record.

investors will be welcome to invest in Bahnhof's daughter company Elementica which will erect a 750 million SEK, 21 megawatt data center which will be directly connected to the electricity and heating infrastructure in central stockholm. there are currently 20 million shares in Elementica and an additional 2 million shares will be issued for Private Placement (not listed on a stock exchange) in lots of 1000, 5000 and 25000 stocks costing 11 SEK each. the rest of the funding will come primarily from bank loans. through Elementica it will be possible to sell data center services with an electricity cost of only $0.05 per kWh. facebook in 10 years time would have been able to save 65 million dollars on this. instead they release the heat straight into the air as waste.

http://www.elementica.se/

>buying at the top

>>938451
today's announcement was admittedly a slight disappointment as people had been hoping that it was microsoft rather than dell. but i still believe that it's a long-term great investment, and that dell was actually better for the long term (microsoft would be more of a short-term hype). as a taste of what is to come, in the auction at the opening call, the price reached 200 NOK even after it had been revealed that it was dell! the stock did really well despite the massive "sell on news" and cashing in by institutional investors (individual investors using avanza and nordnet who are more familiar with FING and the biometrics industry bought many stocks). it's a great time to buy before further news come out and the market really starts to catch on.

>>937897
FING's market cap has increased by another 1.95 billion, in just 2 hours today so far. that's about as much as NEXT's TOTAL MARKET CAP, in just 2 hours. imagine if NEXT reaches these levels: you could have 100%+ in a single day based on your original investment today!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-267UjyVmM

Just got back from out of town. Thanks Anon. Paid for my vacation and more!

>>938740
you bought NEXT? at what price?

>>938762
He obviously bought Fing.

Who would buy next ;')

>>938890
i looked at https://www.avanza.se/placera/forum/forum/fingerprint-cards.html and it's truly cringe-worthy. people hailing crowhater as their family's hero and savior, asking for his name so they can name their future son after him, drinking a german champagne called 'Sekt'. it truly is a sect. you know you'll be getting some draw-down sooner or later. buying FING now isn't worth the risk for anything but a short-tern trade.
>if you haven't read what Crow has written, then do it! Don't sell! This is only the beginning!
talk about delusion... they even had to put it in the news that crowhater didn't sell his shares, he just moved them to other accounts, because the stock is so reliant on crowhater's shilling. you know it's going to come crashing down like a house of cards one day. not yet, but one day.

http://www.svd.se/morka-moln-hopar-sig-for-fingerprint
http://www.svd.se/skilj-pa-fingerprint-som-bolag-och-aktie
http://www.di.se/artiklar/2015/10/27/hemberg-skulle-aldrig-vaga-rekommendera-fingerprint/

and yeah, i guess you got the microsoft surface pro 4 type cover... maybe, because no one has gotten credit for it yet.

>Have everything in fingerprint and am holding it long term. I don't understand the reasoning that "i'm afraid of losing money". How are you thinking then? Yes it will most likely to recoil down quite a bit soon but what does it matter in a few months or years for that part? I hope it drops 100 crowns after the earnings report so i can buy even more at a bargain price because the price we see now we won't get to see next year.
you're right, we won't get to see this price in FING next year :^)

>>938910
get rekt m8

Bought fing at 68.

Crowhater has been analyzing find since 2007 and so far everything he has said has been right. Fing has a MUCH lower PE than many many tech companies with way lower growth.

With an estimated revenue of 3B sek 2016 the forward PE is just 30.

>>938955
nice partner btw.

>>938958
>>938962
fing, precise (top kek), idex rally like crazy. yet somehow you fingfags direct all this anal discomfort to the smallest one that even went down a bit today :^)

>>934854
> Head & shoulders pattern
> High volume
Wouldn't go long for any reason

>>938966
if you took your rose-tinted glasses off you would realize that every company is overpriced, except for fing.

>>938974
>if you took your rose-tinted glasses off you would realize that every company is overpriced, except for fing.
#definitelynotasect

>>938971
you call that a head & shoulders even though it's so uneven? now you could say it's a double top. but it's got the trend line and a potential bull flag going for it.

>>939111
that trend line is probably too steep, it should start at 13-14 october instead. if the price falls through the steep one i drew it's not a big deal.

Lads what are you all on about?

My (dell) laptop came with a fingerprint login in 2008 - it worked but it was a waste of time.

I had a thumb drive in 2009 with a fingerprint sensor - it was a waste of time.

I have one on my phone now - I use it every day! Just kidding, it's a waste of time.

No matter the tech behind it evolving, this will never be common technology

>>938974
now who's the one with rose-tinted glasses :^)

>Some bleeding
>That's how it is in a marriage.
>Some bleeding. Menstruation.
>Can use a condom...
>I have bought extra many!
>FING has brought happiness to my life!

yikes

>>939161
i didn't believe it at first and that's why i never bought into FING when stock was "cheap". but it's the hot thing right now apparently and NEXT has a huge competitive advantage in this market. and i can totally see why you'd want (high-quality) fingerprint sensors for things like payments, locks and smart homes.

http://www.healthcaredive.com/press-release/20151027-fingerprint-sensors-market-by-type-technology-material-application-ge/

>>939700
Fucking kek you could see that it was a bubble from miles away -1170 p/e fucking topest of keks

>>939760
i love dat meme pic xDD

>>939700
I sold at 490 this morning lol :p
In again at 345 :)

>>939703
Also dude u didn't look at next -15% or sth?

>>939775
only because retail investors are liquidating their shares to score FING at these "bargain" prices. NEXT is still above the trend line.

the dummen Schweden eat it all up while the big boys are dumping fing

Kek you faggots are getting crushed

>>939874
i'm in it for the long term so i ain't even mad, i don't really care about what happens in one day's time. if i were doing short-term trading i would have bought and sold a number of times by now. take a look at NEXT in one year and then look at FING (and PREC top kek).

>-20%

yikes OP

the fall in NEXT didn't really have anything to do with NEXT itself. retail investors/speculators liquidated their shares in NEXT so they could buy FING "cheaply". institutional investors did the opposite, they sold FING and bought/kept NEXT. just look at the broker stats. NEXT simply got pulled down by FING which is truly the laughing stock of the biometrics industry.

>>939905
you can see it was on its way up through the bull flag i was talking about and then FING pulled NEXT down along with it.

>>939901
tomorrow or the day after tomorrow might be the perfect time to buy depending on what happens. just look at 20-21 oct when it hit 120 and then what happened afterwards.

retail investors bought more than a billion crowns worth of FING today. straight from the hands of the big banks. TOP LEL

what's funny/sad is that they're still adamant on the forums that it's a great investment

protip: it's hardly sustainable in the long run to maintain hundreds of percent in growth each quarter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_and_chessboard_problem

>>939700
this guy again

>It will get better
>Stay long.
>The marriage is going to get happier.
>Normal bleeding - menstruation.
>Use a condom!
>I have bought many more today.

i don't even

don't marry your stocks!!!

And once again. Never trust a business advice on /biz/
I bet the same story will happen with ASTI-meme

What happened to this stock. Not going to read 150 posts, was OP right or wrong?

>>940970
He got rekt and was wrong
>but muh long term trade
>bought at top at around 160 - 170 nok
https://www.avanza.se/aktier/om-aktien.html/488679/next-biometrics-group

>>941029
i wasn't wrong, it was always a long-term trade. and i bought for much less than 160-170 NOK. you guys could have bought for 156-175 on monday and sold for up to 184 on tuesday if you just wanted a quick buck. yesterday's draw-down was only because of the pump-and-dump in FING that the bankers organized in order to kill off leveraged bull-certificates (3x got killed off completely because anything more than 33% decrease times 3 kills the whole thing). see >>938680 >>938686 >>939802 >>939905 >>939969

NEXT is up 10-12% today so far and FING is up a similar percentage (10% right now).

and as for the microsoft/dell thing. i thought microsoft was most likely to be announced but i still left the possibility open for it to be dell, and it's still plausible that microsoft is also a customer to NEXT because no one else has received credit for it and the clues make it most plausible that it's a NEXT fingerprint sensor in the microsoft surface pro 4 type cover.

>>941037
Dead cat bounce mongoloid

>>941063
not in NEXT but FING is getting rekt

trading days are one hour shorter in norway so NEXT didn't get to ride the last wave up. but it looks poised for a rise tomorrow.

NEXT order book

FING confirmed in microsoft surface pro 4 type cover. but FING's CEO tones down the launch because the windows ecosystem is small compared to the android ecosystem.
https://www.avanza.se/placera/redaktionellt/2015/10/30/microsoft-har-valt-fingerprint.html

but:
https://www.avanza.se/placera/telegram/2015/05/11/fingerprint-cardssensorer-visas-upp-i-windows-hello-produkter.html
>In the presentation, two terminals are shown with Fingerprint's FPC1021 and FPC1150 respectively. Next Biometrics is also in a product, according to the presentation.
>These products will be released into the market in the very near future, said Nelly Porter at Microsoft's OS Security.

>Next Biometrics is also in a product

bump

>>943104
NEXT gained another 5,24% on friday. FING rose 19,32% on friday which was a half day (4 hours of trading) in sweden because of all saints' day. FING has its Q3 report coming on november 5th which i guess will make it rise even more as these brainwashed shareholders will interpret the report positively no matter what. like if their lead times are increasing (because of supply issues causing delays in shipments) then that could be interpreted as the demand being enormous and that they could grow even more to meet that demand.

Do you guys ever make stock decisions based on what it actually is? Fingerprint sensors are fucking BS no matter how much hip exclusive tech you use for it, so I'm pretty sure this'll all blow up sooner or later.

>>943557
yes. i didn't believe it at first (see >>939703) but there are legitimate uses for biometrics especially now that they aren't crappy or prohibitively expensive. convenience is just one thing and there are more serious uses like for authorizing payments, encryption, locks, registering immigrants and criminals and whatnot. like if you have a device or a smart card that acts like a key that only you can use. if someone steals the key they still can't get in without your finger or without using brute force, and if you lost the key you can deactivate it like with a credit card and then you can start using a different key. or another example, there is some beach right now that has containers for visitors to store their valuables in, and they lock the containers with their fingerprints. so there are no keys involved (that could get lost or get copied) beside people's fingerprints.

>>941252
yeah but who's buying and selling

>>943578
Unlike what scifi movies would have you believe biometrics are not suitable for authorization, only identification. Once someone got your bio data (let's say finger print) you can't change it, so you're compromised for the rest of your life. Unless you're at an airport or something it's not significantly harder to fake a finger print/iris scan than it is to type in a password.

>>943586
See for example:
>German Defense Minister von der Leyen's fingerprint copied by Chaos Computer Club
http://www.dw.com/en/german-defense-minister-von-der-leyens-fingerprint-copied-by-chaos-computer-club/a-18154832
>Fingerprints are Usernames, not Passwords
http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2013/10/fingerprints-are-user-names-not.html

>>943578
What
>>943586
Said

Also consider how easy it is to steal biometric data these days, over the summer a few million US government employees had their biometric data taken by an unknown hacker group.

>>943580
http://www.netfonds.no/quotes/paperbroker.php?paper=NEXT.OAX

>>943586
>>943588
you can't steal a fingerprint as easily as peeking at someone's pin code when they're paying for their groceries. Chaos Computer Club has only managed to trick the iPhone's sensor, it hasn't succeeded in tricking FPC's or NEXT's sensors. and for things like payments you can use both a fingerprint and a pin code, or a fingerprint and a hardware device, so if a thief has one or the other they still won't have your money. if you have a banking device that accepts your fingerprint, and the thief has your fingerprint, they still need to get their hands on the hardware device. and if they do, you simply call your bank and ask them to deactivate it and then they give you a new hardware device.

>>943595
>Chaos Computer Club has only managed to trick the iPhone's sensor
and optical sensors presumably but those are irrelevant (you just need a printout of the fingerprint)

>>943595
>you can't steal a fingerprint as easily as peeking at someone's pin code when they're paying for their groceries.
You can steal a fingerprint as easily as hacking Adobe/ashley madison/000webhost/installing apps with shady permissions on android etcetera.
>Chaos Computer Club has only managed to trick the iPhone's sensor, it hasn't succeeded in tricking FPC's or NEXT's sensors.
Sure if you want to trust some closed-source proprietary input device driver, be my guest.

>>943597
>(you just need a printout of the fingerprint)
Tricking sensors with printouts etc. is a red herring, real issue here is the bit stream that's somehow generated by the scanner, comparable to a password hash.

> and for things like payments you can use both a fingerprint and a pin code, or a fingerprint and a hardware device, so if a thief has one or the other they still won't have your money
Well, once someone got your finger print it becomes useless for the rest of your life. + why even use fingerprints if you don't care they suck and you're just gonna use pin codes for the actual security?

Anyway why don't you read some independent security researcher reports, instead of listening to all this meme tech hye.

>>943604
>Tricking sensors with printouts etc. is a red herring, real issue here is the bit stream that's somehow generated by the scanner, comparable to a password hash.
now you're talking about doing the equivalent of cracking the encryption in hardware banking devices. good luck with that. even if you cracked one, the bank could just deactivate it.

>Well, once someone got your finger print it becomes useless for the rest of your life. + why even use fingerprints if you don't care they suck and you're just gonna use pin codes for the actual security?
simply a pin code isn't secure enough. that's why you have the devices like in pic related. a device like this can guarantee to the bank's server with practically 100% certainty that the user is in possession of the device. if the device also has a secure fingerprint sensor such as one from NEXT, the bank can know with practically 100% certainty that the user is YOU.

>>943608
>now you're talking about doing the equivalent of cracking the encryption in hardware banking devices once you are in possession of someone's bank card (i.e. no cracking at all)
FTFY
>even if you cracked one, the bank could just deactivate it.
If your bank card gets skimmed, you can get a new card and the old one becomes invalid. If your finger print gets skimmed, then what?

Yes there are some legit uses for this (unlocking your smartphone hurr durr) but this is not the personal security panacea some make it out to be.

>>943611
your fingerprint won't even get skimmed because it's mixed in with the bank card information so you can't retrieve the fingerprint data. even if you could retrieve the fingerprint data, you would still need to steal the person's next bank card and do some mission impossible style hacking to the card before you could use it.

>>943615
Let's wait and see. :^)

>>943616
ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqbKhI1QWU4