/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>938162
What is that comic called?
My penis has hardened.

Sauce cunt

>>938162

Need sauce on comic pls

I'm still fucking waiting

>>938162
>law school
>worth it

>"Law firm bosses envision Watson-type computers replacing young lawyers"
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/law-firm-bosses-envision-watson-type-computers-replacing-young-lawyers/

>"Jobs Are Still Scarce for New Law School Grads"
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-06-20/the-employment-rate-falls-again-for-recent-law-school-graduates

>"Armies of Expensive Lawyers, Replaced by Cheaper Software"
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/05/science/05legal.html?_r=1

If you're still getting your history degree, you should add a couple of related but useful minors, like business, a foreign language, forensic anthropology / archaeology, GIS, CS, etc.

>>938180

>>938181
>>938182
Is law school and the JD just going to go the way of the dodo?

>>938162

I've posted a law rant on this board several times.

My brother is a lawyer.

mostly it is shitty, aside from the money obviously.

Here's the thing, go by a law office, and ask if you can work with them (for free) for a week, just to see what their lives are like, what they do, and day-to-day. After that, you still wanna be a lawyer go for it.

It's mostly reading and paperwork, and taking money from idiots who think they have been wronged.

Your major doesn't matter at all, OP. I was also a history major, assumed I was fucked, but ended up getting a really nice job in advertising only a few weeks after graduating with a 2.5 GPA

>>938187
My brother and father are lawyers. They've strongly discouraged me from ever becoming one.

Depends on connections. If you're asking here you're probably not well-connected, few are. My first go at uni, I shared flat with some guy who was doing philosophy but basically had more law experience already lined up than most of the poor kids killing themselves to ace exams and look fantastic CV wise could ever dream of.

Law is a rough game. The rewards can be great, but not everyone makes it into the payoff tier. Lots of lawyers scratch and scrape their whole career, and more than half give up practicing altogether in the first five years.

On the other hand, at the top of the top, the pay and benefits are ridiculous, and the work is incredibly engaging and sophisticated.

Law made me set for life, but I've never been happier than since I quit practising.

>>938193
>Depends on connections
Naw. Sure, connections don't hurt ... but in truth, law is one of the most merit-based careers possible. Brutally so. Dead weight gets culled, quickly, no matter who you know.

>>938188
History and all arts get shit talked endlessly on 4chan but tbh they show you are really intelligent because you have critical and analysis skills that employers all want because computers can't replicate them. You can't teach a computer to connect wars in France with your clients in Algiers and the grain deal that you are trying to cinch and you drop to the dude that you know about this war for independence and you sympathize with that and then you win the contract because you reached out like on a personal level.

Maybe a shit example but its just an example of something you could do.

OP when you go to harvard or stanford, anything is worthwhile, within reason.

Oh wait, this is /biz/. You guys are discussing the merits between a Finance with Spreadsheets degree vs a Business Management with Business Card Design degree. At Podunk State. For 50000 dollars a day. And a 2.5 GPA.

Law and medicine are bullet trains to upper middle class wage slavery.

Enjoy your 200k as you work 60+ hours a week to pay back your loans while you wait for your wife to divorce you and take half because you never see her during the week.

That is literally a description of one of my good friends who graduated law school in 07.

Current 2L here at one of the top schools in my country (Canada). AMA. I've got a Philosophy undergrad.

Don't do it though. Financially, law is definitely still worth it here (muh $10k/yr tuition) but the entire practice seems awful and filled with shitty people that are somehow even worse than the caricatures of normal people you find on /r9k/.

I'll be fine financially as a result of my decision but I plan to hustle hard, get the cash, and get the fuck out of there as soon as possible.

I don't know what I expected tbh. I'm just glad I didn't fall for the luring that is the American JD meme where I almost dropped $300k on HYS. That would fuck you up for life, especially with the American interest rates.

>>938208
Are all professions this way? And by professions, I mean yuppie jobs. No one seems happy. Nursing, engineering, medicine, the law, etc. The only person I know who's happy is an actuary.

>>938214
>general Canadian question for you
I got into McGill for undergrad, but I'm American. I turned down the admission because funding was limited, and would require hearty loans to fund. Did I dun goofed?

Also, I almost once married a Canadian girl. Did I done goofed as well passing up on that sweet Canadian citizenship?

>>938206
>Why does this board, on 4chan, not have more prestigious Ivy Leaguers like myself?

/biz/ roleplay is sad tbh fam.

>>938214
>not doing Accounting or Finance at Western U Bmos

Smh tbfh fam.

It's like a more cost-effective ivey.

I'm finna get my CPA after

>>938217

It's called wage slavery for a reason.

You'll never be happy with any job that requires that many hours of your week, especially if you scale your lifestyle with the increased income

Real law isn't even close to television. Most lawyers spend their entire day on the computer.

>>938217
>I got into McGill for undergrad, but I'm American. I turned down the admission because funding was limited, and would require hearty loans to fund. Did I dun goofed?

Probably not. It depends where you ended up going to school but I (and a lot of other Canadians) often wish that I had the stereotypical movie-like experience of going to a large public American university for undergrad. When everyone is dead and your money doesn't matter anymore I suspect that sort of experience would be far more valuable to you than the Canadian university experience.

Plus McGill is full of jews and chinks (like the rest of our good schools up here) and doesn't sound like a very fun school. I'm sure the education is of great quality but definitely not worlds apart from what you'd probably get at a school of similar calibre elsewhere.

I also don't find Montreal to be very comfy.

>Also, I almost once married a Canadian girl. Did I done goofed as well passing up on that sweet Canadian citizenship?

Here's where you possibly goofed. I'm the type of guy who would value having ANY additional passports but that's because I'm constantly anticipated the Happening (on a personal or worldwide scale). I'd love to have an American passport though and I really do think that life is better in your country for a lot of reasons. It's a meme by now but I do appreciate our "free" healthcare and some other things. Definitely goof but not a major one IMHO fam.

>>938225
>>938225

It's funny because my closest friend here did his undergrad at Western/Ivey and seems to have enjoyed it but figured that a career in most of those fields (aside from entrepreneurship) would be soul numbingly boring and unsatisfied.

>"Good morning wagecuck..."

>>938233
My old man and brother are attorneys. I see them on Outlook or in Word more than anything else on their computers.

That being said, I have a friend who keeps telling me to forego graduate school and go into the trades. Is this just a meme?

>>938235
Every job is "boring" and sucks.

But accounting seems like a perfect work/life balance.

>>938235
It's okay. I also dated a German girl who now teaches at the University of Zurich (yes she's a Swiss citizen now) in the economics dept. Tell me how much I fucked up.

I went to a mid-sized school in Ohio that's a public ivy and pretty based tbqh fam. That being said, I hated college. It was quite possibly the most dreadful time of my life for a lot of different reasons. Most people have nothing but glowing stories and happy times.

If it's any consolation not going to the University of Texas, or Ohio State, or Maryland, or some massive college/university with anything/everything you could ever want to do replete with a blonde bimbo cheerleader girlfriend, varsity sports with tens of thousands of spectators, and strong frat life and the stereotypical, mythic 1980s American college experience replete with cool designer drugs and wicked spring break stories, coupled with comfy autumns, beautiful winters, and shining springs, I always imagined I would escape to Montreal and be immersed in an international city beyond my borders surrounded by a Francophone population, beautiful women, an incredible night life and dining scene replete with its own weirdness and ethereal nature, architecture and skylines.

Are Toronto, McGill, Queens, and Dalhousie really that uncomfy and miserable? I.e. full of activist minorities, covetous semites, and mainland Chinese?

>trust me I think we all imagine the university experience, the post secondary years, as the American college experience full of fraternal ritual, beautiful young women as far as the eye can see, the toil and rigor of athletics, the yellows and reds of autumn leaves, cinematic lighting that catches our foot falls as one walks home from class, the warmth of a dormitory or apartment on a winter's day, the warmth of a dining hall table crammed full of friends, a warm bed that one can invite young women into, drinking copious amounts of alcohol, relying on oneself, knowing that you had this experience

>>938203
>>938188

Good for you but it sounds like you're an outlier.

I graduated with a Bachelor's in History with a 4.0 GPA in 2012 and I still have not been able to find a job anywhere. Marketing, advertising, sales, anywhere. And this is in Houston, not some podunk town in the middle of nowhere.

I've talked to career counselors and coaches, been over my resume and cover letter a thousand times, sent over 300 applications, and nothing.

Is it finally time to an hero?

>>938238

My accountant friends work 12+ hour days so it ain't all sunshine and rainbows.

>>938238
>>938333
This for the most part. I think of people going to work for like one of the big accounting firms. like Price Waterhouse Coopers. They work 16 hour days or more. Fuck that.

Don't be a fucking SHITSTAIN and get into Top 20. You'll be fine. Top 14 is better. Top 6 is a tier of its own, as is the top 3. Work a few years in big law, pay off the loans, and your exit options should be pretty decent.

>>938233

>It's called wage slavery for a reason.

Except the only people using the term "wage slavery" are unemployable NEETs trying to justify their worthless existence. Employment is the mutually voluntary exchange of time for money. There is nothing even remotely resembling slavery, and certainly not everyone dislikes their job, as you have so ridiculously assumed.

>>938162
JDs and MBAs are still the traditional paper-over for a soft Bachelor's degree. Yes the job market for lawyers is harder than ever and only going to get harder, but if you're just looking for any middle-income job the JD is a good buy-in to government work. I know a JD who runs a large office for a federal department after failing the Bar Exam repeatedly.

>>938254

Oh fuck man you're a great writer and I think I was actually triggered by reading this:

>some massive college/university with anything/everything you could ever want to do replete with a blonde bimbo cheerleader girlfriend, varsity sports with tens of thousands of spectators, and strong frat life and the stereotypical, mythic 1980s American college experience replete with cool designer drugs and wicked spring break stories, coupled with comfy autumns, beautiful winters, and shining springs

...You know me so well, anon. Doesn't it sound incredible? Doesn't it sound magical and otherworldly? This has to be happening somewhere and every human being on earth should be feeling complete and utter despair at not having been a part of the small group of people that experience this as their life on planet Earth.

Fuck.

FUCK!!!

Your lovely Montreal imaginations helped me realize that there's true comfy everywhere though. And also wildly different views on how things are perceived. I've never spent much time there but my own city has its own golden feels I suppose.

I must admit it's pretty lovely to go to school and live where it often feels majority Chinese in a calm, soothing, eternally autumn or spring climate where you also get the feeling that you can do whatever you want. West coast relaxation is a very real thing here and there's a lovely (almost depressing) silence throughout the place. People don't talk to each other here except in pretty rare circumstances, similarly to how I've heard Scandinavia described. Possibly worse. It's incredibly noticeable how social and extroverted people are in the states the moment you cross the border.

Also a very, very, very international city full of whatever you can imagine. It feels like an almost proto-futuristic city sometimes.

>>938254
>Are Toronto, McGill, Queens, and Dalhousie really that uncomfy and miserable? I.e. full of activist minorities, covetous semites, and mainland Chinese?

Oh, regarding this I would say it sort of is. Canadian universities are overrun with SJWs in the arts and Chinese in the sciences and Arabs in Engineering. But somehow it's not that bad. There's still people who aren't like this and you can find these people and just sort of exist outside of the uncomfy people. They often don't seem to notice or do anything, thankfully.

U of T might be majority Chinese for real right now. I remember reading that they were starting to impose quotas (or at least considering it) because the campus has completely lost its vibe as a result. There aren't parties there anymore.

>>938373
Western and McMaster are the only good schools.

>>938381

>he fell for the McMaster meme
>he doesn't live in a nice area

UBC and Waterloo exist as well m8.

>>938382
Fam I'm transferring to Western soon and I'm gonna play baseball and join some sort of Jewish business club for dat networking.

Is intramural sports a meme in Canada? Also I want to join a fraternity

>waterloo
Engineering memes and literally 95% autistics, Chinese, or both.

>ubc
98% Chinese school, admission requirement literally "Working knowledge of Mandarin"...

>>938162
It isn't worthless but the work is a weird combination of mind numbingly boring and extremely stressful. I wouldn't recommend it if you aren't actually interested in law and are just looking for easy money. You have to actually like it or it's hell.

Law school is a waste of money unless you get into an Ivy. Not a public ivy, that won't cut it these, but an actual fucking Ivy. Or some other ultra-reputable private school like Duke or Chicago.

>>938411
This tbh.

Law is such a meme... Unless you got a guaranteed spot in a well respected firm it's not worth it

>>938162
I have a worthless history degree and I trade oil and gas, own some small production royalties and I consult with companies who are in the process of hiring traders of oil and gas. I worked as a corporate trader/marketer for over 30 years and have many clients as a result.

I always laugh at people who judge others by their degree. AME.

History is the best degree to have if you are in business. Name some event in human history that wasn't the result of the quest for wealth and power. Go ahead an wave your little online MBAs around like a queerfest battleflag. The pros, meanwhile, are making money.

>>938286
Nigger of course you're not getting a job on Houston. Houston is for engineers and medical staff. That's why it's got such a high employment rate.

If you've got a useless degree you're expected to move to a podunk town where a liberal arts degree is not common at all.

>>938411
>Law school is a waste of money unless you get into an Ivy.
The top tier of law schools is called the "T14" not the Ivies. Only 5 of the 14 top law schools are Ivy Leagues schools.

>>938254
>>trust me I think we all imagine the university experience, the post secondary years, as the American college experience full of fraternal ritual, beautiful young women as far as the eye can see, the toil and rigor of athletics, the yellows and reds of autumn leaves, cinematic lighting that catches our foot falls as one walks home from class, the warmth of a dormitory or apartment on a winter's day, the warmth of a dining hall table crammed full of friends, a warm bed that one can invite young women into, drinking copious amounts of alcohol, relying on oneself, knowing that you had this experience
>I was literally brainwashed into believing in a stereotype that hasn't existed for decades and now nothing that is not this unreal magical land will suffice, and I will close myself off to professional opportunities because a couple sandniggers and ess-jay-double u's are tainting my pristine vision

Okay, I don't say this often, but you're a real faggot.

>>938494

What was your career path? How did you get where you are now?

I can't even get my foot in the door anywhere.

Personal expericance so take with a grain of salt.

I went to a school that feeds law schools. So I knew lots of poeple to go. Almost without exception the following can charicterize thier careers:

>have parents who are influential judges, lawyers, or DAS

Doing great

> have parents not law or politics

Either doing non legal work or are barely making it doing shit like working at a legal clinic for the poor

>bonus
My realtor has a JD

I'm going into Law and Society at York next year.

I plan on achieving a super high GPA that is easiest to do at York and Western because of how they mark things.

Then I'll apply to a US school with a super high GPA and do a Law Degree.

By the way, I got a 97% in Chemistry, 98% in Physics, 96% in Calculus and Vectors, and 96% in Adv. Functions, also 2 100% in Philosophy and Challenge and Change in Society.

I could have gone to any program I wanted, I even got accepted to Health Sci at McMaster, (I hate McMaster).

I chose to go to York because it's like the most Liberal university in the GTHA and I feel like I'll learn a lot from the Liberals and how they do politics. Also Osgoode is a great Law School, and they give preference to York Students, so if I do (big IF) decide to stay in Canada, I'm pretty much guaranteed a spot in Osgoode Law School.

My parents are also both public sector employees, Doctor and Teacher, and I know a lot of Lawyers, as well as people that work for banks and private companies, so I'm basically guaranteed a good paying job right out of school.

Since I'm currently a dual citizen of an Asian country and Canada, I can also go to that Asian country which is thriving and work in any company I please, just because I'm Canadian.

NEPOTISM

>IT JUST WERKS

>>938924
>york
>good

Enjoy getting robbed and raped by Tyrone and Jamal lmao tbh fam

>>938162
both history and law are considered to be one of the worst degrees atm

try programming or something that has valua and best future

>>938183
Defense and litigation will be human until we get ai that people think could make important choices like that. But 90% of law is paperwork and computers can do that just fine.

Got a 173 on the LSAT but everyone told me law school was awful and there were no jobs so I didn't go.

Girlfriend got a 161 and went because her parents payed the 100k for her 3 years.

She graduated with a job working downtown for the government starting at 68k.

I am unemployed.

>>938171
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>>938175

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>>939030
Listen to these people:
>>938187
>>938191

All I can say is that you dodged a fucking bullet. 70k isn't worth this shit. You wake up in the morning feeling like shit because you have another day at the office waiting for you, you sit at the office doing absolutely boring shit in solitude all day and you dont leave office until its dark outside. The few times you actually get to interact with people, it's one of two situations:

a: You need information/a favor and have to cold call some buttmad old hag secretary who will take all her menopause hatred out on you.

b: It's some spergy self-centered dumb fuck client calling to complain about his case.

And in fact very few clients are like that. But this kind is the only kind that will actually call to complain about their case not progressing fast enough, as if you have some fucking remedy for that and just hadn't thought of using it because they didn't give the order.

This fucking field is ass. I used to be such a happy person. Life used to be so enjoyable.

>>938187
>Here's the thing, go by a law office, and ask if you can work with them (for free) for a week, just to see what their lives are like, what they do, and day-to-day. After that, you still wanna be a lawyer go for it.
If you can shadow a lawyer so easily where do I go to shadow code-monkey, game designers, movie directors or television screenwriters?

>>938162
I am currently a law student at a top school. I had a humanities degree with good grades from a good school and graduated in the worst of the recession, so I too could only find the shittiest of jobs. Here's my take of things you should consider.

1. It is never worth it to go to law school if you don't want to be a lawyer. You can do other things with a law degree, but law is the default. This guy >>938187 is right. Try to shadow or work for free and, if you can, try a few different offices (small law firm, government, etc.).

2. Law is extremely prestige-driven. You should go to the best law school you get into or, if that school is not in the top 20, maybe the strongest school you get into in your region (i.e. if you are in Pa. and want to practice there, Penn State may be better than U. Iowa even though the latter is a better law school.
Indiana Seattle U.W. law school is probably a better bet than Yeshiva University, even if the latter is better ranked

3. If you can get into a top, say, 14 school, your odds of being able to get a high-paying job are quite good, unless you majorly fuck up. These jobs can be BRUTAL, depending on the firm, and you have to be savvy about your long-term career, but they pay very well (120-160k starting). You can also get jobs at smaller firms and in government that pay less with better quality of life.

4. If you do not go to a top school, the job market can be very tough. Schools are required to disclose placement rates and you can find them by googling. It's not pretty. Unless you have major hustle or great connections in a specific market, or will be among the top 5% of your class, your odds get smaller and smaller as you move down the law school rankings. I personally lack hustle and connections, so I would not have gone to law school if I did not get into the top, say, 30. Your mileage may vary.

(cont)

>>940432

5. If you're a strong candidate (based almost entirely on GPA and LSAT), now is a great time to go to law school. The number of students going has dropped and schools have lowered standards and give more money to get good candidates.

6. If you think law school might be right for you after all that, do your homework. The "Top Law Schools" blog has tons of info and helpful people, while lawschoolnumbers.com can help you get a sense of your admission chances.

Good luck.

>>938162
>>938162 (OP)
I am currently a law student at a top school. I had a humanities degree with good grades from a good school and graduated in the worst of the recession, so I too could only find the shittiest of jobs. Here's my take of things you should consider.

1. It is never worth it to go to law school if you don't want to be a lawyer. You can do other things with a law degree, but law is the default. This guy >>938187 is right. Try to shadow or work for free and, if you can, try a few different offices (small law firm, government, etc.).

2. Law is extremely prestige-driven. You should go to the best law school you get into or, if that school is not in the top 20, maybe the strongest school you get into in your region (i.e. if you are in Pa. and want to practice there, Penn State may be better than U. Iowa even though the latter is a better law school.

3. If you can get into a top, say, 14 school, your odds of being able to get a high-paying job are quite good, unless you majorly fuck up. These jobs can be BRUTAL, depending on the firm, and you have to be savvy about your long-term career, but they pay very well (120-160k starting). You can also get jobs at smaller firms and in government that pay less with better quality of life.

4. If you do not go to a top school, the job market can be very tough. Schools are required to disclose placement rates and you can find them by googling. It's not pretty. Unless you have major hustle or great connections in a specific market, or will be among the very top of your class, your odds get smaller and smaller as you move down the law school rankings. I personally lack hustle and connections, so I would not have gone to law school if I did not get into the top, say, 30. Your mileage may vary.

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>>940440

5. If you're a strong candidate (based almost entirely on GPA and LSAT), now is a great time to go to law school. The number of students going has dropped and schools have lowered standards and give more money to get good candidates.

6. If you think law school might be right for you after all that, do your homework. The "Top Law Schools" blog has tons of info and helpful people, while lawschoolnumbers.com can help you get a sense of your admission chances.

Good luck.

>>938201

I think this guy has a good handle on it. Law school and law practice is worth it.

It is by no means easy, but you can make money with it and genuinely help people. Again, it is not easy, and it is often unpleasant, but if you're willing to do things that are unpleasant and not easy for the opportunity to make good money and genuinely help people; then you may be a good fit for it.

>>938162
Maybe in Canada. Can't say for US. Either case, I'm sure law school (at least in Canada) is quite miserable in terms of work load. Basically, it confirms to employers that you can read and understand complex material without gouging your eyes out.