/biz/ - Business & Finance

Get in on ESV on the dip

Tyson got nothing on humble grill salesman big George.

Also should I be worried about AMRS?

>>9333431
You should invest in UVXY Inc. if you trust in Tyson and his agressive growth strategy

As for AMRS, go read up some FinalThought stocktwits (AMRS bagholders here)

>mfw FinalThought has been in realityy shortselling AMRS for all this time

Damn fellow stockers I went through the books and it turns out I made a 2.317% gain last year on my stocks, what an insane bull market!

BTE and other oil stocks will moon today. Fred Olsen Energy went +10% in europe despit ebeing nearly bankrupt piece of shit

Whats on the menu today bois?

>>9333970
Oil oil an more oil

Teh profit, I trade Uso calls r.n. and, sdrl other than that I got nothing currently but my buddy works at a invest firm so we trade up and coming stocks and play optt for quick gainzzz (I'm the 2 job guy)

>>9332710
To all my USO $14 5/11 call bros: when and for what are you selling?

I'm throwing out $1 this morning and hoping it fills.

>>9334329
Just 3 contracts, but excited to finally be back in the green if this goes right.

5/11? Damn that's close I gave till July 20th

>>9333521
I think I'm starting to enjoy this new meme.

Damn fellow coinfags I went through the books and it turns out I made a -99.999% gain last year on my stocks, what an insane bull market!

>>9334535
I bought at $13.90 yesterday afternoon for .15 - couldn't pass it up. Just wish I bought more. Guessing it'll open around $14.40 (.40?)

>>9333970
I bought SOXL and SPXL end of yesterday. I'm feeling irrationally exuberant today.

New paradigm by Friday!

>>9334535
I’m 5/18-8/4

>>9334665
To 8/17. Still early.

>>9334615
I honestly think /smg/ should create a coin and shill it to coinfags because they will literally buy anything. Then we exit scam them.

>>9334804
We could use coingen to make it.
We just need a sick logo and name.
How about we call it VIX? And the logo could be a red arrow facing down and to the right?

>>9334651
I agree with that I bet it will dive on market open for a few though as some ppl get out more go in and we make gainzzz. That's my guess

>>9334665
I went from July 20 to Aug 18. And one fomo in Jan 2019 just to see (theta makes a HUGE difference)

>>9334837
Then mention it has something to do with screwing over "boomers" and it's game on kek.

Need to open above 2685 for true bull
Very short bias today!

Morning all

>>9334061
Absolutely, yesterday I made 7% on day trades of LPI and MRO. I'm looking forward to another day of green.

>>9334890
Then we can all go out screeching during AH "Why haven't you bought VIXcoin yet? You're not a brainlet boomer like Buffett or Gates, are you?"

>>9334908
Are those Japanese clouds that I see? Dank. I need to learn how to leverage this new meme.

>>9333970
Same menu for the past few weeks. Long oil, short bonds, short gold.

Convince me not to short TSLA

>>9334908
Fingers crossed. Markets love the prospect of war, get a Uso call going too! And more dick charts I kekked so hard at work I had to show my normies coworkers

>>9334981
You can't short a meme. You underestimate how stupid and gullible Californians are.

>>9334981
Musk owns 20% of shares after buying more following the earnings call.
Short interest is at 33%ish -- possibly the most shorted stock out there.
If you're up for getting squeezed though, go for it. I'd personally wait for it to start popping from the squeeze first though if I were you -- like we're seeing with P and GPRO.
I'm personally holding a few TSLA shares with the intent of profiting from a short squeeze.

>>9334981
"The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent."

Cmc might be promising, scrap metal season is coming up what y'all think I might get a call on payday.

>>9335042
To clarify I would not be shorting naked but rather buying puts

>>9334804
get off your high horse, your stocks and options are as worthless as crypto

First

>>9335090
so long as youre good for total liquidation of one of those contracts (to big for my tastes or id be right behind ya), i say fuckin DOIT. if one contract isnt too much risk, just think of the reward if it DOES fall.

>>9335110
Dumbest comment of the day, your altcoins will end up worthless and you will be broke.

>>9335138
non-dividend paying stocks are greater fool just like crypto

>>9335110
T. Pajeet

>>9335110
>your stocks and options are as worthless as crypto
No. The US dollar is as worthless as crypto.
Stocks are literally ownership of part of a company.
This is why stocks pump so hard under hyperinflation -- they maintain their inherent value even as a country's base currency is intentionally depreciated.

>>9333970
>>9334972
10 Year auction today boys!!! Will we see a surprise 3% coupon? Consensus is 2.75%, though I'm thinking we might see 3%.

>>9335158
When I trade non-dividend stocks, I just buy something I'm really hyped up about with the hopes that I can sell it later to some one who's even more hyped than I am.

>>9335110
it IS incredible the amount of money that just goes POOF cause of those things. id argue long options are actually riskier than a lot of alts. but the reward is comparable. but options markets arent nearly as manipulated as most alts, even with the MMs taking dollars instead of cents

but i would say us options slingers are definitely the cryptokiddie bunch of /smg/. i can live with that

>>9335189
AMDA

oh shit, fed is shitposting today at 1pm est

>>9335187
We're going to see 4% within the next year.

>>9335120
Prophet, I responded to ur question in last thread up top about my calls (2 job working poorfag) i fell asleep. I think natural gas after oil season for winter gainzzz and maybe ride the xmas shopping season via tech. Not sure though. Oil and ABX have saved me past few shitshows

>>9334804
Call it Boomercoin since they call us Boomers all the fucking time, but honestly I think you could call it Scamcoin and they’d still buy it.

>>9335178
>The US dollar is as worthless as crypto.
Stocks
I would argue crypto is even more worthless because you have to convert it to currency to even buy anything, unless you are buying drugs or children online.

>>9335090
Well thats definitely way safer, I think its just good to remember that Tesla has a cult following that allows it to maintain its ridiculous price

>>9335204
No, that's the 10 year auction. Bostic is at 1:15

>>9335207
But is this the "magic" 3% threshold we haven't seen for almost a decade? I'll agree that a 4% coupon is entirely likely by July of next year.

>>9335204
rully?

what is it? a minutes release? or another meeting?

>>9335210
word
do you have a good resource for seasonal plays? i want to add it to the library

>>9335210
Is it really this easy? We just trade oil up till the summer then switch over to nat gas for the inevitable build up over the cold months?

>>9335230
They would definitely buy boomercoin just for the irony.

OOOH FUCK
i forgot i was shorting papa johns
FUCK YAH

>>9335187
if we see 3% on the 10yr, thats gonna mean total destruction of the equities market again. remember last time?

>>9335178
please describe the exact benifits your 'ownership of the company' gives you.

>>9335263
Yeah buddy, let's hope for a Papa John's to tank today.

anybody else here trade forex at all?

Or is it just all equity memes

Oh fuck I'm conscious again. While I can FUCK GPRO! Looks like my gold short s going to be comfy today. I need it because I'm hurting here.

>>9335290
When I feel like flushing money directly down the toilet I trade 5 minute forex binary options.

>>9335263
Depends on what equities we are talking about and the time frame. I plan on finishing trading by 10:30 today. AMDA on watch for continuation.

>>9335275
This one might be a little tough for you since you can't even spell 'benefits'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wealth_of_Nations

>>9335275
Usually you get to vote at shareholder meetings

>>9335324
Unless you own SNAP kek

>>9335285
is dat john?

and yeah, i dont see how itll do anything but go down. still absolutely no PM volume. something tells me there will be a lot of market sell orders at the bell. the folks trying to use limits are gonna get trapped for an UGLY leg down

>>9335320
>Depends on what equities we are talking about and the time frame
check the major indexes the last time the 10yr yield was above 3%. almost everything went straight down ALL day.

>>9335313
lmao im not doing that shit

I just trade purely based off TA on the daily charts, seems to work really well, nothing Trump does seems to make too big of a change like it can tank the equities markets seemingly every week

>>9335346
>nothing Trump does seems to make too big of a change like it can tank the equities markets seemingly every week
i think we successfully LIQ'd all the idiots that were jumping on every trump tweet

>>9335275
Isn’t crypto private companies though?

>>9335247
I actually don't, I'm going off of intuition. I know it's insane. but after 2008 (I just started working career then) I vowed to never get rekt again and have watched market/ME ever since. So far 4/5 accuracy. My buddy at monrovia asks me about resource based stocks regularly.

>>9335341
Yes that is John's greasy drunk ass.
>>9335346
Yeah I was usually really drunk and bored AH when I used to so it. It usually ran me on average $250 in losses. I stopped doing that, but it was fun as hell because it's literally gambling.

>>9335341
smallcaps/microcaps not indexed into a big index. I remember 2 weeks ago man. It wasn't all bad; there were some advancing stocks, but not many.

>>9335331
God, SNAP is such a shit company. I should just iron hands short it to death.

>>9335285
What a bunch of ugly mutts.

>>9335290
I think there was a couple of anons talking about trading forex late last year. Sounded like they were making decent gains.

>>9335320
commenting on irrelevant typos, then linking to a 200 year old book as an answer to a practical question regarding the contemporary state. classic boomer
>>9335324
does it actually make a difference unless you hold a significant % of the shares?

>>9335254
I think so, trend has been gas rise for summer, then lowers during fall because ppl buy heating oil in bulk, they love to sell it in bulk because it's easier so they give us a break during winter. So my guess is they make most in summer then coast through so they can sell heating oil at "cheap" price. After past few winters ppl been crying about heating oil so they have an image problem now as well. (Joe4oil etc)

>>9335378
if i find a resource ill post here and upload it to the bunker.
im interested in getting into more of these seasonal plays with long options. /CORN/ has worked out great thus far.

>>9335394
good point
i forgot you were a smallcap guy

>>9335416
>classic boomer
I knew it, coinfag confirmed. Go to one of your containment threads to circle jerk the newest pajeet scam.

>>9335247
Also scrap metal usually spikes up mid to late August so I'm gna look into that soon (used to scrap for living 8 yrs ago)

>>9335438
> containment threads
this thread is containment for stockers since this board was overrun by crypto, if you haven't noticed

>>9335391
i wonder if john is gonna be selling today too?

>>9335448
>scrap metal usually spikes up mid to late August so I'm gna look into that soon (used to scrap for living 8 yrs ago)
kek
i used to do that a while ago too, but the prices fucking collapsed near me

>>9335416
Yes it does

>>9335275
>Please explain to me why I would want to own a company
Well I don't know anon... Why would anybody want to own a literal money machine?

No really, if you buy all of a company's outstanding shares, you own the company. This is how buy-outs and hostile take-overs work. One company literally puchases 51% of the shares of another company.
You can fire the CEO and install your own into the company -- yourself.
Their profit is literally yours. You can put it all in your pocket -- this is called a dividend.
You can do whatever you want with it. Fire any employee. Make the strategic calls about their products. Lay everybody off and take out enormous amounts of debt in their name.
The company is literally yours in the exact same sense as a start-up that you personally founded on your own.

>>9335452
He got cucked out of his own seat in the company. For barking at a bunch of chimps in the NFL. I'm sure he's dumping.

>>9332710
hey guys,
>>9238202
im the anon with 600k€ invested in the market. I asked for some advice, as I was getting 3% / year and teh profit advised me to check about REIT's.

My bank has 39 index funds, 13 ETF's, and 69 stock options in the REIT sector.

Are these some of the stuff you guys were talking about?

>Janus Henderson Horizon Pan European Property Equities Fund A3 EUR
>NN (L) European Real Estate - X Cap EUR
>AXA World Funds - Framlington Europe Real Estate Securities E Capitalisation EUR
>Parvest Real Estate Securities Europe N-Capitalisation

Didn't quite like the ETF's and stocks performance over the past few years.

Are these good options? Should I stick to index funds only?

>>9335479
that's only true if you hold a significant % of the stock. if you're a small shrimp the fact you hold 0.0001% of the company has no practical implication

>>9335484
You have 600k and you're coming here for advice? Congrats on the 600k by the way.

>>9335416
Try opening the book. Read the words inside. It explains some phenomena that happens even today. Like imports, exports, bonds, trading, cost of living in a city vs. the rural countryside... The underpinnings of trading, tariffs, monetary policy...
Try reading it.

Unless you're a commie. I'm sure there's a helicopter nearby that'll give you a ride...

>>9335437
Good ill check it out haven't been to bunker yet but got the link. Corn should be good, I used to work on massive blueberry farm In maine, and the trends you were talking about are definetly correct, late July to mid_late August harvest. So subsidized that paying private farmers doesn't hurt the bottom line. I wish I could invest in that place, oxford frozen. (We did global market biggest supplier out there)

>>9335513
Trying to teach a coinfags stocks is like trying to teach a fish calculus. Just ignore and move on.

>>9335508
well, I know that the banks I've invested the money in invest in the stock market, index funds, ETF's etc, but their fee is very high. A friend invested in REIT's through his bank and they are taking 4% in commision fees.
Mine only takes 1%-2%, that's why I'm only getting like 3%-4% in returns.

>>9335469
Lol it was comfy 6 to 9 years ago holy shit the copper piles I sold.... good times, I bet well see new highs over next 3 to 5 yrs. Especially now that the 3rd world's expanding lol

>>9335513
>>9335416
They made that book into a movie, you can watch it up on youtube.

>>9335552
Wait? What? Seriously? I just finished it in March.

>>9335480
hahah
for the take an knee stuff? is that what made them lose the NFL partnership?

gotta say, on one hand i understand how some people saw it as disrespectful to take a knee during the anthem (people get butthurt about that kind of shit), but on the other hand, folks always get pissed off when blacks do ANYTHING to stand up (and usually, rightly so, as its usually a bunch pointless rioting and destroying their own neighborhoods). but the take a knee thing was so tame, by comparison. yet it caused an even LARGER reaction.

dat MLK was a smart fella. peaceful resistance ruffles SO many feathers. too bad the CIA fucking shot him

>>9335529
corn has its run from april to mid june, so im about ready to move on. i got a put or two hedged against my calls right now because i think it could pullback a little. if it does, you should get on

>>9335513
Why don't you try actually answering the question instead of writing that whole irrelevant speech.

>>9335550
>checks statute of limitations
kek, i remember GUTTING this old abandoned hospital a couple towns over. made like 10k between a couple of us in a night. that shit is so fun. i honestly miss being a degenerate sometimes

>>9335576
That definitely led to them losing the NFL contract and now pizza hut took their place.

Good Morning everyone. Thinking about shorting Papa John's. Anyone here have a price target for today? Thinking on doing a small position so I don't get Bogged.

>>9335576
Ooohhh. Gotta free some capital for a 3 week call I think. Btw I'm at work so might be delayed responses to y'all.

Wow. All the shitters... er... shippers running. DCIX looks ready to pop.

>>9335594
HAHAHA almost all abandoned buildings are gutted in my old area ;) wew that was a good few years hahaha you know what's good prophet

>>9335606
I expect them to drop to about $55 could be lower than that but I'm being conservative.

>>9335620
Should I buy TOPS?

>>9335611
id go out a little farther than that. corn doesnt move very slow, so theta would negate most of your gains

unless you can do short contracts. in which case id do a bull call spread or something like that

>>9335606
looks like the low of this year is 54
my contracts are all short term so lets see if it gets there today (i cant see why it wouldnt, its already 56 in PM)

>>9335656
*corn doesnt move very fast

>>9335653
I wouldn't with the trade war shit. Hold for a bit.

Anyone else shorting AVP?

>>9335669
but TOPS fleet is all oil tankers. Shouldn't they profit from higher demand of oil exports?

>>9335656
Ok, I think I'll do a mid-late June or early July call and sell it when I like what I see.

Based AMRS

>>9335653
That's running too. Tops is at $1.80 with 266k volume already. It's running because DCIX's earnings news being not as bad as last time around. Sympathy play here.

>>9335686
Oh, oil tankers? Shit I thought it was just regular shipping. Then yea he'll yeah, cus L.O.O.P. is opening in Louisiana soon, then we can fill supertankers faster than any other port s

>>9335684
They met earnings and are already near their 52 week low. I wouldn't open a position here myself.

>>9335686
well Russia has recently started to move a lot of oil on its pipelines to china, instead of using tankers to send it to Europe. This has freed up a noticeable amount of tankers so I would be cautious, and look into any recent developments.

Wow, what a boring earnings for DIS people we're right when they said this shit never moves.

>>9335725
It should drop below $2. I can cash out tommorow

>>9335735
thats something i was thinking about. wouldnt sanctions against iran mean that they have no choice but to deal directly with china (the worlds top oil consumer)? im not sure this is gonna have the effect that the saudis are looking for. it seems theyve lost their touch with the whole oil monopoly thing

I'm playing DCIX at open. Fuck it. I've placed a market order.

Uhhh vix rigged pos ;_;

Papa John's volume is still under 40000. What the hell is wrong with this stock?

Fuck Papa John's moved too fast.

Whoop uso!!! Don't panic if she food boys I don't think she will!!! My calls jumped

>>9335905
Where's she headed??

PAPA JOHNNNNNSSSS!!!

>>9335904
yeah i made 350% and got out. maybe that was dumb but i needed to lock in a win

>>9335912
Up brotha about 1.29 percent as of a minute ago, my calls jumped a good bit lol. Been waiting all week for this

Why the fuck is GPRO constantly mooning

>>9335937
Holding steady or gonna bump more this am?

Anyone want to ride SDRL to andromeda with me now? At first you laughed at Pooh Bear, but now you realize this moon mission is a go...

I've noticed there has been a lot of discussion about shrimp on /biz/ lately. Anybody know of any public shrimp shit I can get my hands in?

>>9335954
lotta shorts
i broke my own rule going on that one.
NEVER short something this crowded

Based Papa John's, I'm out.

>>9335954
Its Warren Buffett tier value stock

>>9335955
She's gonna go up after the Iran announcement then greatest ally will keep it there by stirring the hornets nest, I still expect a drop by weeks end though as someone drops his bags. That will be time to buy up

>>9336002
>$5.50
hey thats what i got on my contract too
right the fuck on bruv
awesome play. i owe ya one

>>9336002
Wow frickin awesome

>>9336046
I'm up 100% on my calls, do I just ditch my bags and go short now? Cover and grab more on the dip?

Sold off my AAOI stake. Earnings projections were too lukewarm to risk waiting longer for that short squeeze.
It was a good run, could have had 35% profits before the call, but i waited till after so only made around 25%. Not a bad couple of months.

Doubled my stake in SGMO. This dip surely cant go any lower. If all is right with the world, i should be 10% by week's end. Or it will keep being irrational and drop another 10% instead.

>>9336060
i know i love when those options get deep ITM like that. your gains fluctuate around like +/-$1000. its a lot of fun

Broker is slow at open. Got 750 DCIX at $2.52. Went to over $3.10, so I set a stop at $3. Touches 3 for a brief second... and I'm out. $340.02 profit in 8 minutes.

That's 5 great trades in a row! I've never done 5 in a row before! This feels great!

I feel so good, I'm thinking about waking the wife up with sex...

>>9336002
Nice call!

>>9336076
Sell, then wait for dip to grab more, rinse and repeat. As for puts I wouldn't in case I'm wrong... I have no data to back up my claim just a suspicion that I formed over the weekend.

>>9336049
Looks like we may have got out at the perfect time too.
>>9336060
Thanks kneepad

>>9336093
>$340.02 profit in 8 minutes
i love those
im up $400 myself this morning

looking at SPY daily puts for my next moonshot. i dont think shell stay above 268

>>9336046
1pm? Aim for $14.75?

I just wanna be an american idiot!

>>9336115
SPY is upward trending and broke cloud resistance yesterday

>>9336114
yeah you never wanna get greedy on a short, lemme tell you what. that shit feels AWFUL

Hahaha! RH invited me to trade crypto. They can fuck right off.

>>9336143
i know, im taking the opposite stance. but i have one of my trademark uneven strangles so the worst im out is about $100 is it stays bound where it is all day

wow that seedrill thing actually gained

>>9336178
best case for me would be a leg down right now, then a pop up above 268.50 later. if i can get that ill have made 100% at least

>>9336178
Gotchu. 269.77 is resistance, might want to wait until Thursday/Friday for optimal gains/losses. Definitely want out your short if it breaks the resistance

>>9336126
I'm gonna say she'll hit 14.50 today just looking at the trend, after lunch so yea 1 to 2 I think then probably dump a bit

Ko to 44 next week

>>9336201
long TLT for the auction might be a good one. just go ITM on your contracts

Wew, looks like AMD is gonna push $12 sometime in the next few days. JD is also shaking off its earnings dip and stabilizing around $37.

so whats this i hear about a FED shitpost today at 1? i cant find any info on it. was anon just jerking my chain?

>>9336268
at what number do i sell AMD

>>9336283
10 year auction with possible 3% coupon.
Atlanta chair Bostic speaks at 1:15

>MTCH down 5%
Based Zuck

>>9336328
Is this gonna be a shitpost about interest or just a review?

What is everyone's thoughts on shorting DBX? I get the feeling that even if they miss on earnings, it won't hurt them because it's their first quarter.

Can this orange fuck just throw a bomb at Iran. Need these oil and DFEN to go up.

Come on you Cheeto fuck.

>>9336372

If they miss earning they will plummet. You don't go public prior to first earnings. It makes expectations way too unrealistic.

Best case scenario it ends up like Spotify and drops 5%+.

>>9336384
Is this what happened to the boomer generation? They used to be a bunch of hippies and then one day they realized they needed money so they just continued the military industrial complex for personal greed? Are we the boomers now?

>>9336384
He's not orange he's bronze
>>9336402
Their estimate eps is only .02 seems quite realistic.

Good time to buy auy coming soon they will open new field, get in before q3, but don't buy at 2.95+ she'll go down soon hitting resistance at 2.99

WAlmart = 82

>>9336362
its probably just another one of powells slideshows. i still expect some action though., they love running those algos when powells speaking.

>>9336384
oil will still probably go up anyways. OPEC needs it up, sanctions on iran will likely drive up prices for the west, and israel is more than likely going to attack iran pre-emptively (hence why netanyahu just passed a bill that lets him declare war with a head nod from his defense minister).

not to mention this is oils bull season anyways. just be patient with these commodities. they move all fucked up

>>9336421
>I'mtheboomernow.jpg

>>9336450

After how many companies beat earnings yet stock Plummers. ER don't mean shit. Piece of shit DIS and MATCH I'm looking at you.

>>9336421
Coiners are convinced you're a Boomer if you're 25 or older. So goddamn dumb kek.

>>9336421
i blame LSD and the psyop that was the 60s
LSD is a chemical that was devised to turn hippies into yuppies

>>9336467
Should be an easy win. The mud wasps are coming out for spring lol

>>9336362
"Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank President Raphael Bostic to speak at the World Affairs Council in Jacksonville, Florida, with audience Q&A."

This is all I could find...

>>9336421
Not a boomer. Just want to pay off my house and trade it for a bigger place and some horses.

And a few cars too. I'll jump on the lambo meme and get something decent: a '67 Miura

>>9336294
I dunno, the last few times it's run up to somewhere between $13-$15 before pulling back down to $10. They have some good things going for them with their new CPUs though, they might start eating into Intel's share of the server market if things keep going the way they are especially with all the new security exploits that are present in all of Intel's chips.

>>9336421

Need to start saving /smg/ memes more often. Anyone got the >ImTheBoomerNow.jpg ?

Thanks to the guys that told me SND and WTI the other day

>>9336515
One of my favorites

>>9336515

Shorts covering on Namaste Technologies. Squeeze is possible coming up. +10% and climbing.

>>9336575
>New Commentary from the Bogs

>>9336575
>Is it out in paperback yet?

>>9336575
mine too
i was in tears the first time i saw that one

another day of Pep being piece of shit

>>9336611
Lol love the memes, my favorite has gotta be big5. Deep value.

Alright... Time to do a bit of yardwork before rain later. I might be back on for "3% coupon" time.

See you guys tomorrow! Hopefully I'm at 6 in a row!

>mfw can't get rid of these contracts
Should've listened to you guys

man SPY is being so fucking boring today. i hate when it acts like this on the days i can trade the daily contracts.

Anybody got time to do meme-analytics-magic on USO daily candles? I'm fucking swamped with shit to do at work and don't have time today, but need some price targets.

>>9336698
I mean... SPY is a fucking index fund so it just matches the s&p. What did you expect?

>>9335416
shitting on Adam Smith is a prevailing indicator of 'not going to make it'

>>9336776
but the high price means that i can get dollar moves for very little, which is advantageous for flipping options contracts.

i just flip daily contracts in the morning after the bell, and right before close because im a degenerate gambler.

if you time it on the reversal points you can easily make 50-100% trades in a few minutes. and if it REALLY moves you can make 1000% too. its a lot of fun, but i just try to limit myself to how many i do

>>9336714
as far as i can tell, it wont break 14.50 on this leg, unless something happens over in sandland. im hedging with shorter puts against my longterm calls rn

How am I doing bios?
Made 15% in 2 days on the $DNR gap play. I'm still learning options and haven't started trading them yet. Nervous

>>9336692
Your gonna have to go to the ask price of .30.
Or wait and pray a MM will fill you at mid.

Natural gas.
Will follow up with results.

>>9336827
Yeah, looks like a double peak to me, it'll probably pull back to $13.75-$14 again.

>>9336830
noice
take your time with the options. i wouldnt go anything over $100 a position for ANY reason until youre comfy with them.

its a bummer, because CBOE used to have an awesome papertrading platform. i know how a lot of you feel about papertrading, but options are very complex when youre first starting out, so its helpful to actually trade them without losing your shirt

RUN calls are the play of the day boys.

What you guys think MU will peak at?

Im sure the drop when memory prices decline will be nasty.

My GUSH play 2 weeks ago doing well in my "real" account, my gambling volatility shit and bearshit going red today, SAD! Ill play it untill this spring pops in either direction, but I might take a 16k loss YTD, hodl me smg.

>>9336888
does solar usually move inverse to oil?

>>9336902
ok just loaded up on USO puts. Shit better pull its self back.

>>9336902
Overall renewables get more attention when oil prices are high.

>>9336888
RUN looks overbought on the daily, bit they are posting earnings today, I might play this with a strangle

AMRS fags looking quiet today

what happened to "top ten anime comebacks"?

>>9336692
>zero volume options
Not even once

>>9336895
yeah its almost like the short VIX trade is back.
and this is exactly what leads me to believe it will pop again

>>9336915
i cant see why it wouldnt. its high right now, and looks like it topped already

>>9336916
makes sense
looks ready to break out anyways

>>9336692
This is why you always follow the herd on volume and open interest. Buying options no one else wants gives you some heavy fucking bags.

>>9336915
Oil is what is holding the market up due to Iran war pending. If we go to war alongside Israel Iran's oil will no longer be exported to the west. US crude prices will fly up. Shorting oil is an awful idea right now. Don't forgot we are the petrodollar

>>9336951
AMRS filings are full of dilution, the pump happend and the dump has been happening as well.. share structure is growing
Growing share structure=dilution

>>9336915
Fuck it you goys talked me into it to going in

>>9336973
i think he just meant in the near term. its topped for now, unless sandland kicks off again

>>9336973
It's already been accumulated, we're waiting for distribution so we can begin to accumulate again.

>>9336973
I plan on selling it today for a few bucks

>>9336990
just be careful. theres more risk than usual in playing the pullback. its this high for a reason

>>9336995
Trump is going to drone strike the fuck out of their pipelines. As much as I'm not a fan of Godless jewland, I'm a lesser fan of equally Godless Islamic State Sand-Niggers.

Iran needs liberated.

Fuck fuck fuck what's happening to the SPY

ITM puts on TLT the flavor of the day in hopes we see 3%'s being sold?

>HMNY

>>9337037
oh fuck i hope we can stay uninvolved.

i wish we could just go back to the good ol days where we just sold weapons during major wars

>>9337049
268 was its resistance. it failed like 3 times so far today

>>9337024
I will be thanks. And you too, I don't know why but I have a strong feeling someone's gonna puke they're bags this week on u.s.o. the fund had some issues a while back and I believe there s a few people who are waiting to dump still. look it up, articles like 2 or 3 yrs old I'd link but im a phonefag

>>9337051
That's my play for the bond market right now. Can't believe I'm net more short oil than long at the moment. Fucking insanity.

>>9337037
Mud wasps are waking up for the Ramadan bombathon too be ready for that guys, I think perhaps doing a put on the eu tourism might pan out this year

>>9337078
oh youre saying the poor guys that got SAUD'd back a couple of years ago. youre probably right

NOW WHAT

>>9337073
I'm an idiot. I bought calls at the top then my contracts dropped 15%. Gonna straddle for a bit..

>>9337085
>>9337051
i love daytrading the bonds during the auctions. 5min ichi candles have yet to give me a false signal

>>9336876
not looking good boys.

>>9337142
just flip some daily puts on the next leg down. just dont buy it till youre ready for it to jump

>>9336880
this
lost 50% all time now because of starting options with no idea what the fuck I was doing

>>9337159
That look so sick
Wish knew what go on

>>9337078
>I have a strong feeling someone's gonna puke they're bags this week on u.s.o.
Why would that matter though? USO is based on WTI futures.

>>9337053
>Checked their ST page
Well I know what I'm doing today.

>>9337061
Nah we need to put our fancy new equipment to the test in a real war. We prototype tested against ISIS, now we phase 2 with Iran since Rocket Boy is off the table unless he provokes or we false flag him. The war with China is inevitable, all roads lead to it. The question is whether the war with Russia or China happens first. China seems to be first, we starting to fuck them over economically. Logically, only one nation can exist in the end on this planet, and the US is currently in position to be that nation.

>>9337162
I thought I saw an easy opportunity for 10% gains there so I threw a good amount in same day SPY calls. Fuuuuuckkk

>>9337170
papertrading may be a meme
but its absolutely a MUST for options imo

>>9337196
if you only knew how much money ive burned on these retarded gambly bets on daily contracts. by all rights i shouldnt be doing em. but after you get a couple 1000% trades, youre hooked. theres no going back to daytrading with stocks

>>9337180
>>Checked their ST page
>"HMNY Finished my comprehensive chart analysis. This stock appears to be in a downtrend. Follow me for more hot tips."

A man has analyzed HMNY's 50% drop in the last two days and determined the stock is in a downtrend.

>>9337178
oh im sure theres bagholders man. that oil bearmarket came out of nowhere and fucked a LOT of people

>>9337246

Truly a modern day Einstein. His IQ must be off the charts

damn, just tried to close my strangle and now ive just got some shitty pending market order. fuck i hope i dont get fucked by this

>>9337246
kek

>>9337246
Those are bots. ST is fucking full of bots

>>9337326
Should I just fucking get out of this. My straddle isn't working. Both my puts and calls are going down. First time doing this- is this how it should be? When should I take profits?

FUCK YOU USO!!!!! I'm going to long TSLA.

>>9337345
>First time doing this
>25 contracts
WEW

>>9335484
>>9335535
To answer your original question, yes, you should consider taking your money out and investing it on your own, with the caveat that you have to make it a full-time job. You won't learn everything in a day (or a year), and you have to invest your time to actively manage your money and learn as you go (the more experienced you get the less time you'll need to devote). But if you're of average or above intelligence then you'll absolutely be in a position to beat the returns offered by banks/financials. It's easier and cheaper than ever to learn this stuff but it still requires time and dedication.

Most of the posters in this thread dream of living that lifestyle, but you may not. If you don't then keep your money with the bank or even purchase an annuity. They're selling convenience and peace of mind.

>>9337345
its your first time doing this and you went in with 2.5k?!
you should probably cut your losses, or at least take some risk off the table. i dont know how much youre working with, but 2.5k in short terms contracts is asking for it.

>>9337368
>mfw got easy 10% gains earlier with 1 call so I got cocky
I don't usually day trade options that's too risky but I thought the market was going sideways today

>>9337123
Oh yeah, so I'm a little nervous when it breaks resistance, I bet well see a wild red dildo in the coming months

>>9337180

Have fun

>>9337246
Kek

When is the next bear market supposed to start. I'm getting tired of waiting for this shitshow to end.

>>9337368
kek
yeah thats fucking hardcore. biggest ive ever done was 1.5k in GLD (and i got FUCKED for it)

>>9337395
keep your options positions between 1%-5% of your portfolio my friend. and closer to 1% till youre comfy. remember, long options have a less than 50% chance of making it

First time doing options, kind of lucked out here.

Do you anons aim for the break even price before you close out your positions, or do you do some form of TA and plan an exit point? Assuming you're in the green of course, I'm not really proficient in this stuff.

>>9337345

ANON NOOOOOOOO WHAT WERE YOU THINKING

>>9337178
It hurts short term and don't wanna get bogged right when I get /comfy/ lol don't like the red theme, also nervous cud of all the newer investors that got in during the January fomo... Might also panic sell l, sure it'll go back up but timing is everything ( I got in day after Feb correction)

>>9337348
Breh. Even if Iran turns into a nothingburger crude has nowhere to go but up. Saudis are back in control of the market and want $88/bbl. The US hasn't invested in domestic production for the last 4 years because low prices. Demand is still going up.

I expect crude prices to increase until at least 2020 when a bunch of US LNG export projects come online and US crude production has increased in response to higher prices.

>>9337413
Mother of God

>>9337439
I've been pretty comfy with my USO, GOOG, and V calls since I'm typically bullish and just buy at the dips. Super easy money. But fuck man my heart can't handle this. I know in time the contracts would go back up if I buy it 2 months out, but these short term contracts are gonna expire worthless in 2 days. Christ

>>9337178
Also, go up a few comments and read what me and prophet were saying, couple a ppl got stuck few years back so those clouds are on the horizon. Had some controversy few years back ppl got bogged

>>9337345
close the puts, let the calls ride, cash out for an easy 2k profits.

Hey guys, thinking about trying options. IB has delayed data. Any place that offers faster data than IB for price options?

>>9337413
The amount of cope the guy at the top is dealing with is at levels I didn't think we're possible.

>>9337448
Breakeven price is just the strike+debit you paid at expiry.
I would look to the chart to see when to sell usually after a big move in a direction since theta will get you if you continue to wait for another large move.
Or if I'm selling options at around 50% profit.

>>9337348
Just wait brother, she'll cooperate, we just need to woo her to our side. Consistent uptrend.

EVLV is in buyout talks with Amazon of all companies. Buyout won't be for less than 3.00 a share. The last buyout offer they got was for 2.66 and they rejected it outright. Loading up a speculative position.

>>9337438
technically speaking, when it drops below 20% i think. but by then youll have missed all the fun. id say were already in it, and most traders just havent accepted it yet. we havent made any headway at all towards ATHs (at least not where we didnt give it all back) in months

>>9337407
USO is the land of wild red and green dildos. thats what happens whe the only people really playing it are doing million dollar positions

>>9337490
yeah. i generally only hold short term ones for like a couple minutes to an hour. the point is the leverage you can get as theres no time value left. but you can fucking see the theta on the last day. its terrifying. like a countdown timer.

like i said, 100$ positions on the daily ones are plenty for me. if i go OTM its not hard to get 100%+ ROI, but its also WAY easier to lose it all.

>>9337345
Get out right now and re-evaluate your positions. I did what you're doing and I lost 90%.

>>9337345
You are overexposed. I'm not sure you really know what a straddle is. TL;DR version you expect a big move in either direction. You are going to lose money if the market trades sideways. I highly recommend you limit yourself in your exposure by reducing your number of contracts to 4, 6 at most. You are risking more money than you probably care to lose.

>>9337507
>Had some controversy few years back ppl got bogged
Well that's because Saudi Arabia decided their new strategy was to literally tank the market.

>>9337562
Fuck it. I have to go to work soon. I can't stare at my phone forever. Just going to close out both. GOODBYE MONEY

>>9337601
You'll thank yourself later.

>>9337348
Just go....pro

>>9337448
for the short term ones? i take the first pop. absolutely no reason to get greedy on those and anons right. theta is BRUTAL towards the end

>>9337601
its an expensive lesson, but i guarantee you wouldve lost a lot more if you held. you made the right choice. that was a LOT of risk you had on

>>9337601
If you want to keep straddle reduce your position to 1 put 1 call or 2 call 2 put

>>9337625
I'm still short gpro too.

>>9337625
Kneepad I'm not buying that smelly turd no matter how many cute anime girls you post!

>>9337562
>land of wild red and green dildos
As nature intended. Kek

>>9337448
20% gain or loss usually, if I'm day trading I follow 5 min trends and when I'm ready to exit I use 1 min for optimal gains/minimal losses

>>9337596
Exactly, and you know someone missed the signal on that... with means once she hits a high...

>>9337639
>>9337611
>>9337634
Yeah I'm sticking to long contracts now. An easy buck is an easy fuck. I'm EXPO anon if that helps you realize my stupidity there. Hope you all enjoyed the show.

>>9337544
>>9337634
>>9337667

I see, thanks for the insight anons. It's is all still kind of new to me and I'll end up doing my time on the losing end eventually. Such is the way of the markets.

Just another day ...

Anyone got any good calls for power hour, or holding till tomorrow?

>>9337753
Short the US bonds.

>>9337559
Source?

>>9337753
SUNRUN

>>9337601
For what it's worth I didn't close my positions in a similar situation hoping for a rebound on spy calls and lost 95% of my portfolio. Didn't know what I was doing and was immediately punished brutally. Options are a motherfucker.

>>9337559
How could they be down 3% on that leaked news?

>>9337159
I want to get off Henry Hub's Wild Ride

>>9337796
It's not leaked news. It's a few days old. Nobody will know when or if the buyout is happening until it does or doesnt. Hence speculative. I bought a few 2.50 July calls because they're cheap as shit and will rocket if the buyout is announced, and if not I'll still be able to at least break even after earnings

Looking to swing ford. Is this a good entry?

>>9337786
I'm glad I didn't have to learn that heavy of a lesson. Sunken loss fallacy is a shit, but you gotta leave eventually. I've bought single very short term contracts before, so like $50 worth but I was OK gambling that amount.

>>9337753
SUNRUN BABY!!
>>9337696
I studied options for 3 months before I even touched one. I had a hard time truly understanding it, but my patience has paid off. It will for you too.

>>9337810
the madman

>>9337716
Portfolio?

>>9337856
I am in the same boat with options. I understand them in theory but the practical execution is beyond my willingness to dump money in at this point.

>>9337559
>>9337828
Why the fuck would Amazon want in on home shopping television? I'm not doubting you, seems like that rumor has been around a few weeks. I'm just trying to understand why a company that dominates online retail is interested in old dying direct-to-consumer product channels. Home shopping television is headed the way of home shopping catalogs in a decade, max.

Only thing I can think that will generate an uptick is massive influx of dummies who can figure out a TV remote control but not a computer/tablet. Oh wait...is that why Bezos champions liberal immigration policies? Fuck.

wew lads

>>9337885
So many quality videos out there that will explain them in deep detail. If you really want to learn, the resources are there.
>>9337964
Nicely done, congrats.

>>9337884
Bagholding bullshit lol

>>9337981
Lmao right. These contract spreads are fucking up my perception of my portfolio

I'm way overexposed to BGFV and it's making my whole portfolio look bad.

When are these bond supposed to move? I thought somebody said we had a huge amount of volatility incoming.

USO coiling like a spring careful boys....

Forget StuckonEarth, look at this fucking abomination. I audibly gasped.

>>9337911
>dummies who can figure out a TV remote control but not a computer/tablet
that would be old people
the boomers have one or two more fleecings in them before they shuffle off this mortal coil
disclaimer: I have $5 in EVLV options and I bought them ironically

>>9337885
if youre not mathtarded you should take the time and learn the equations behind them as well. theres no way to truly understand options pricing without knowing the maths front and back

>>9337977
Yeah ill spend a few weekends on youtube or whatever learning this shit. I refuse to be bamboozled by the market.

>>9338096
holy shit
is that a tranny with a beard?

>>9338084
They're long oil.

EA Mooning some more.

>>9338127
It is literally the human embodiment of reddit

>>9338096

kek

>>9338096
La Creatura de California

dios mio

>>9338096
Dear God what has the West become. Soddam and Gomorrah, California and New York.

I physically shuttered and had to keep my vomit down

>>9337191
>>9338136
They are the fucking worst company but I love how they pull the rest of the Vidya market with them. My TTWO, ATVI and GAMR are happy today.

>>9338116
if you want THE primer on options go to pic related, go to the /pdf/ thread, and download the book "options, futures and other derivatives derivatives"

its post >>417

>>9338149
yup. screw stuckonearth. NOW THIS IS ONIONS

How many times will it test 268 before they get the point?

>>9338173
>>9338116
forgot pic

>>9338173
I bought the current edition of that book off amazon for... a ridiculous amount of money and never got around to reading through it.

So i'm thinking KTOS may be the short for tomorrow, they are more or less a failed meme. I can't see their earnings being great.

>>9338181
Its gonna be a slow grind through the cloud probably.

>>9337911
I'm thinking they want to add it to prime video. There are still a LOT of older folks that use home shopping. It's not at all a bad idea. I work for the usps and I see evine packages every day. You wouldn't think they'd be doing well but they're still at it.

We need a fresh bread I'm mobile shitposting

>>9335290
I am trying
I got rekt by shorting CNYJPY
Heikin-Ashi, yakiniku clouds, RSI and MACD gave a bearish signal on 05/04. So I shorted it that day
And today, this motherfucker popped @+0.70%

Fuck the chinks
Fuck the nips

>>9338267
I'll make it.

>>9338228
yeah i wanted to buy it too, but its retarded expensive. some anon posted it there, so its free if anyone wants it. i dont like seeing folks get LIQ'd on options

>>9337866

>>9338246
Maybe, they did a good job of cutting costs as announced last ER. I'm actually expecting a solid beat of earnings estimate. Need more GREMLINS hype though. You would be betting against trend, and betting on a support break.

New thread faggets
>>9338310
>>9338310
>>9338310
>>9338310

>>9338111
This is exactly my concern

>>9338352
read that book. its a bit wordy, but its worth it. best options book out there

>>9338173
>pdf obtained

>>9336915

Are you fucking retarded? Why would you short oil after we pulled out the Iran deal?

Add on sanctions to Iran. US oil and gas are going to spike in prices resulting in gains on their stock since less supply = more $$$

You're retarded to short oil