/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>9282513
Chart looks super bullish, I'm not selling under 2500$.

*New Video from Roger Ver*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quJctIjKoi0

lol. Roger is playing all the gullible conspiracy theorists with his fucking narrative. The guy is even a bigger POS when he denies that the truth is fake. Fucking scammer, needs to eat shit, i think we can all agree with that.

I wonder how many /biz/, /r/cryptocurrency and /r/bitcoin corecucks are starting to FOMO into BCH

>>9282513
EOS will surpass BCH this week , you have been warned.
if not, I will chop my balls off and eat them raw with pic proof.

BCH vs BTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TXGSJpIAJ0&feature=youtu.be

Were getting closer, I'll be glad when all these core cucks are silenced once and for all

>>9282513

>the entire bitcoin + altcoin market is on a down trend
>'cept one alt called bch which has a PR event coming up next week with the "32mb fork" (even though you cant even fill 1mb still)

you guys are really not making the pumping manipulation subtle are you.

>>9282975

Upgrade is on the 15th not next week and as for filling the block size don't worry your little head over why its being raised and doubling again on Nov 15th to 64mb blocks.

Bitcoin CrASH May 15h

>>9282513
Bitcoin CASH

BCH GANG

>>9283069
>raised and doubling again on Nov 15th to 64mb blocks

My body is ready.

>>9283538
but BCH cant even fill 8mb blocks of transactions, less than dogecoin
so who cares if 32, 64, 100000gb?
t. holding BCH , selling before 15th may

>>9283579
B-but big blocks! Who cares about decentralization!

>>9282601
He fails that to
The conspiracy pages his goons shill that bcash shit get btfo and told to fuck off. Conspiracy nuts hate crypto by now, a billion dollar market which now again is 100% spend on weapons, ammo and food cans, all thanks to a bunch of amateur marketeers who previously shilled make up to 13 year old asians. They managed to do what no technical attack managed, kill the crypto economy by sheer amateurishness

>>9283579
With all the dapps and other things being built ontop of the chain it needs room to grow.

>tfw holding bch
2smarttoofail

>>9283604
> muh false dichotomy
do you guys ever get tired of lying?

>>9283069

Youre not even within 10% of filling 8mb now, you wont be when you force fork to 64mb. Its pure PR bullshit. Its like the US debt ceiling, every time you might hit it you just raise the cap, which means its already effectively unlimited and these stupid PR cap forks are nothing but PR because literally nothing changes.

Roger always does a pump to coincide with PR shit, your boss is about as subtle as a fucking air raid.

Remember when he pumped bcash from .10 to .25 at the same time as he went on alex jones lmao.

I hope for the sake of your soul you are at least getting a check for this shit.

>>9284387
>its afraid

this doesn't mean shit. if anything BCASH is going to be over extended again and BCRASH to 0 b/c the =none is using the network

this don't mean shit, nigga. when it bcrashes b/c it is over extended shit is going to go to 0. Large blocks = centralized network; you dumb nibbers don't understand this. Roger is going to Tyrone your assholes; he'll domp his bags.

>>9284387
Why do all these raving anti-BCH people talk in the same register as a hysterical woman?

>>9284537
Because that's what they are.

>>9284499
>>9284462

low iq. Also you faggots understand that raising the block limit is necessary for all the on-chain services right? Opcodes are coming nigga. What the fuck is BTC doing?

>>9282529
>2500$
Try 5000$.

Seems scammy to take the bitcoin name but i heard you guys have a solution to make fast on chain transactions?
>yeah we don't confirm anything, just transfer small amounts so it doesn't hurt too bad when someone eventually figures out a way to break it in practice
uhh ok what about the scaling problem everyone was talking about since it become an obvious issue in 2013 when microtransactions were becoming common?
>what scaling problem? there never was a scaling problem, whoever thinks there ever was a scaling problem is a cuck. just buy amazon giftcards you cuck
ok good luck with that

>>9284776
>Segwit
>not a hostile takeover of bitcoin brand and chain

Okay faggot. At any rate enjoy your alt coin and Lightning vaporware. Also continue having no clue as to how 0-conf and double spend works, literally at all.

>>9282580
>>9282580
People who buy into the lies about Roger need to watch this.

>>9283618

Funny how the conspiracy is that the BCH Gang is trying to subvert bitcoin by keeping it fast, cheap, and available to the whole world.

Meanwhile the corecucks think they are the ones preserving the system while they've killed off momentum, lost all their merchants, and turned the bitcoin user experience from a good one into a steaming turd.

gg corekeks

BTC = The blind leading the blind
The writing is on the wall, too bad it's not in braille

>>9282580
As a lie detection expert (certified emotional recognition expert) his video contained more lies than the lies circulating about him.

Check how his scratches his neck everytime he mentions "r/btc is not censored". He is hiding a contradiction.

>>9284990
Also another tell is, he closes his eyes for a longer duration when he recreates what he previously made up for this video.

His response delay time is fast on few things because these were his core defenses he remembered best

>>9284990
As a neet (certified 4chan anon) this post contained more lies than the lies circulating about him. Check how there is no proof in this post. He is hiding bullshit.

>>9284387
>Roger killed JFK
>Roger invented cancer
>Roger is the reason icecream melt in Summer

>>9285051
>>Roger is the reason icecream melt in Summer
Its time to take this son of a bitch down...

What happens if bitcoin just increases its block size? What happens to bitcoin cash? Both still wouldn't scale. This is why I don't invest in bitcoin cash. Even if I dind't care about centralization of larger blocks, they still don't scale. In order for crypto to succeed you need more scale. In order for bitcoin cash to succeed you need bitcoin's second layer solutions to not scale. So by investing in bitcoin cash you are essentially betting for crypto to fail. Its a lose lose scenario.

Now buying bitcoin cash at <0.1 bitcoin is just a good trade because people it seems to always pump and sump up to ~0.2 randomly.

>>9285259
>this delusion

>>9285259

They've been blocking a block size increase for years. It aint happening

>>9285259
they wont.

dont you remember how bad it got only 6 or so months ago? fees out the ass dawg

>>9285259
And what happens if the catholic church becomes atheist and a chain restaurant? Should McDonalds shareholders beware this turn of events?

>>9285310
>>9285323

If second layer solutions like lightning don't work, then why wouldn't they? That's the problem with bitcoin cash as an investment, its a lose lost investment.

Bitcoins solves the scaling issues (lightning network actually working, etc.) = bitcoin cash loses

If bitcoin still has scaling issues then they can just increase the block size = bitcoin cash loses anyway.

Even if bitcoin secondary layers don't work, AND they don't increase the blocksize, bitcoin cash still doesn't scale = bitcoins cash AND bitcoin lose.

If you seriously think bitcoin is going to fail you should just cash out to fiat because bitcoin cash is just a lose lose investment if you are buying pumped up prices over 0.1BTC.

>>9285407
BCH literally does scale though.

>>9285407
>thinks bigblocks won't scale

>>9285438
>>9285450

That's the second scenario. Lightning network fails, big blocks scale, bitcoin can just increase the block size. And bitcoin cash loses. Even if bitcoin cash proves that big blocks scale, it is still extremely unlikely it replaces bitcoin. Which is why it seems like such a poor investment to me if you not buying at <0.1 to sell during the next inevitable pump and dump campaign.

>>9285407
You couldn't possibly be more wrong. 1mb blocks bought us *nine years* of organic scaling, BCH will be 32mb on May 15, and they will continue to organically move the limit in accordance with market forces, which is exactly what BTC has made a hard stance against doing, and what you don't seem to actually understand.
The BTC limit is completely artificial and absolutely unwarranted, and exists purely because Greg Maxwell won't admit he's wrong about fee markets, and it is a core assumption of Blockstream's business model that he's not wrong.
BCH on the other hand will grow organically, and the price will increase in line with the organic adoption that it experiences. When it actually impacts a genuine scaling limit, at whatever number that actually is, then there will be a genuine organic market for second layer transactions.
It's worse, even, than that, because Lightning isn't actually a decentralised scaling solution at all, it's simply a sabotage of the entire decentralised system to bring it back in line with central banking goals, pic related. But they didn't bank on being thwarted, and they didn't bank on the fact that when they are thwarted, they will lose all their hash power and actually cease to exist, because of the market for hashpower.
You think the truth is that BTC must win, or neither can win, the actual truth is BTC has already lost, an only BCH can win.

>>9285482
Core will never get consensus to raise blocksize. They fucked everybody and now they'll pay the consequence as miners gleefully mine BCH.

>>9285488

>>9285488
"Eventually, with optimizations, the network will look a lot like the correspondent banking network"

https://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf

Section: 8.4 Payment Routing

>>9285488

You aren't even addressing my point. Lets say big blocks (lots of bitcoin cash supporters actually think 1TB blocks are feasible) do actually work. Bitcoin could just increase the block size. What is the point of bitcoin cash then?

>>9285512

Why wouldn't they if it was proven to work.

And thats if it works. Again, here's the scenarios I see:

Secondary layers work = bitcoin wins, bitcoin cash loses

Big blocks work, bitcoin increases block size = bitcoin wins, bitcoin cash still loses.

Neither solution works = both lose

>>9285407

Bcore will never raise the blocksize. They'll go down the ship before admitting failure

>>9285570
Bitcoin won't increase the blocksize though

They actually want SMALLER blocks

>>9285546
Precisely, the truth is they're not even subtle about it, look at their own fucking presentations where they talk about CIA and NSA running lightning nodes, the only reason idiots haven't yet caught on is because they simply haven't been listening and they don't want to understand how utterly fucked they are when the natural conclusion comes to pass pic related.

>>9285488
Hmm...Why then does the inventor of proof of work, Szabo, Andreas, Vitalik, and every other reputable person support Bitcoin, while actual convicted felons, frauds, and swindlers are the face oft bcash. Really makes you think.

>>9285570
You don't understand, they *WANT SMALLER BLOCKS* they are not just "oh we'll try this and see what happens" they are toasting champagne over massive fees and think their strategy is a wild success, they want *more* of it. They are completely deluded and think they are right, and all that has to happen for BCH to completely slaughter BTC is six or so days of a 6.6666666666% divergence in the price, and BTC will freeze forever, and even the most witless of gullible fools will not buy it at that point.

>>9285575
>>9285592
>They actually want SMALLER blocks
because they think secondary layers will work better, has yet to be proven.

But it soesn't have to be core. Anyone can fork bitcoin, just like they made bitcoin cash.

There is much more money in bitcoin. If secondary layers are proven to fail AND bitcoin cash proves big blocks scale AND bitcoin core still doesn't want to increase the block size then bitcoin can just be forked again with a larger block size to keep to original chain instead of the bitcoin cash chain.

>>9285570
Aside from what everyone else has said. They can't. It requires consensus.

>>9285607
You mean adam back, who honestly proposed a solution to the scaling problem was "Just use tabs" wen you say "inventor of proof of work" right? And Vitalik is not on core's side at all, he fucking hates them, see pic of him actually wearing BCH gang shirt, congrats seriously on nov 12 etc. Andreas doesn't like controversy and mostly keeps his mouth shut, and Szabo is just plain wrong.
As for character assassination against cash holders, nobody gives a fuck, this is a trustless ecosystem, end of story. And even if we did give a fuck, we know you're so full of shit it doesn't matter anyway, with your evil explosives salesman sent to federal prison on a felony bullshit because he sold firecrackers and said some stuff at a political rally a jackbooted ATF thug took exception to, only the most idiotic of morons are actually listening to your shit anymore.

>>9285627

Not sure why this isn't getting through to you. Coretards are not logical people. The scaling debate was settled years ago but they still hold on to their retardation.

Core is dead. let it go

>>9285627
Hahahhaa, that's fucking hysterical.. "Yeah, it turns out you guys have been right all along, but fuck you, we're just going to do exactly what you did years ago now and call victory, because you're bad and we're good and you lose and we win, ner ner ner."
It was the original chain, it is the original chain, wake the fuck up.

>>9285607
>Szabo
Has BTG and with it Segwit, should be obvious.

>Andreas
Literally Judas and its sad.

>Vitalik
Has many times shown support for Bitcoin Cash.

>>9285627
>bargaining

>>9285651
>>9285627
>>9285570

Bitcoin Core cannot raise the blocksize without the support of the miners. They've spent so much time alienating all the big miners that the miners now vocally prefer bitcoin cash. Why would the miners help Bitcoin Core remain competitive?

>>9285488
>>9285518
>>9285599
>>9285623

I don't give a fuck about the conspiracy bs. I really don't care, I'm just saying I don't see possible scenario where bitcoin cash achieves parity with bitcoin at any price above $0.

All of the following have to happen for bitcoin cash to succeed:
Lightning network and all other scaling methods fail
Big blocks are actually feasible and actually scale (big if)
Core doesn't want to or cant increase block size
Bitcoin isn't just worked again to increase block size due to having 10x more money invested in vs Bitcoin cash.
Literally any of the other 1000+ crptocurrencies don't replace bitcoin after this series of huge failures
Crypto even replaces traditional currency after bitcoin fails

Buying bitcoin cash is like trying to hit a hole in one, but the payout even isn't that great because its already at like 10s of billions market cap.

Its only a good swing trade if you pick it up around 0.05 bitcoin to sell on the next coordinating pump and dump shill campaign.

>>9285651
This too, there is no fucking way in hell miners will now signal to allow a BTC hard fork to larger block sizes, considering how hard they were blocked from doing it for years themselves, all they have to do now is forever spin the same bullshit core spun for the past years "There's no consensus at this stage for a fork" and BCH will win while BTC dies. *Even if* core were willing to eat crow, admit they were wrong, and actually try for the change, which is just not going to fucking happen, period.

tfw contemplating swapping BTC for bitcoin cash but have very little clue on the true marketability of either and am being persuaded by every post either way

>>9285720
Every single thing you listed except crypto replacing traditional currency after bitcoin fails has already happened. Your ignorance of those facts doesn't change them.

>>9285720

>All of the following have to happen for bitcoin cash to succeed:
>Lightning network and all other scaling methods fail

Lightning is nothing but a pipe dream. Even if it worked it's a convoluted rube goldberg machine with not much real world application. Do you think pajeet is going to bother setting up a LN node and hiring watchtower services so he can buy more vindaloo?

>Big blocks are actually feasible and actually scale (big if)

Not a big if. Big blocks is a misnomer. We're talking about 1 megabyte of data. I use an infinitely greater amount of bandwidth on watching porn than is required even if BCH had consistently full 32MB blocks.

>Core doesn't want to or cant increase block size

Also a given. Can't and won't.

>Bitcoin isn't just worked again to increase block size due to having 10x more money invested in vs Bitcoin cash.

See above point. Can't and won't happen. Core needs miner support, they don't have it.

>Literally any of the other 1000+ crptocurrencies don't replace bitcoin after this series of huge failures

I really doubt that waltonbrix or raventokens or linkyblocks will be able to overtake BCH's huge network effect. BCH is already supported by every major exchange, wallet, and merchant processor.

>>9285720
This is absolutely brutal btfo. No point for cashies to even respond lmao

>>9285817

>>9285488
>1mb blocks bought us *nine years* of organic scaling
Lack of a solution to the scaling problems limited use cases of bitcoin for 9 years so the blocks didn't fill. The only way crypto beats traditional banking is if users can consistently and reliably do instant nearly free transactions no matter how much load is on the system. We need infinite scaling built in and a block chain is mathematically provable to not be able to provide that, it's a limited list. Second layer solutions or some other big new thing will inevitably win.

>>9282580
Nice, I was just about to post this.

>>9286280
Nothing is able to provide infinite scaling.
The truth is every potential solution has organic limits, but those organic limits re not at all being tested or even anywhere near tested on the btc chain. They've been artificially restricted based on an assumption that ideas which Mike Hearn had already proven false were actually true, and to privilege blockstream's business plan. That is why core is an absolute failure, and why it is going to die. Any eventual necessary organic decentralised second layer solutions that develop by contrast are absolutely fine with me and they'll work better on a chain that isn't artificially restricted to prop up the business model of a failing corporation or the deluded ideas of an idiot neckbeard.

>>9285817
You're a brainlet. This was at an event where people didnt clap and roger got around 25% of the room to clap.

>>9286280
G. Maxwell

>>9283069
>doubling again on Nov 15th to 64mb blocks.
why?

>>9286702
You see all those interesting startups in bch? Yours.org, memo cash, joystream, block press, openbazaar, etc?
It's because of them. Actions like these are doubling down on that commitment to on chain scaling and not allowing those ventures to get burnt by the same idiocy that afflicted core. It's a message written out loud that says very clearly; you are welcome here, please come and build something great with us. We won't sabotage you like you may have experienced with core.
That's why.

>>9284537
>>9284585

This is fucking hilarious you think me of all people is a blue hair fuckwad. i voted trump you dumbass. not everything is fucking culture war.

positioning yourselfs as the minority rebel group vs sjws unfortunate majority cultural dominance bodes well for us and bitcoin though, that might be some consolation for watching society get melted down by commie shitheads.

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-btc-bch-doge.html#3m

bcash has fewer transactions than dogecoin
I pitty the bcash victims. Roger Ver found new victims for his bs.

>>9282610

>>9282513
Both BTC and BCH have been hijacked by private interests desu. BTC is still the more democratic of the two, but it's all bad.

>>9283713
Thats not funny how you showing a baby with a integrated rice-cooker

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