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You are fuckin idiot if you dont have any of Vechain for incoming 2018 bull!
>BMW """partnership"""
cursing at potential buyers. Alt coin shills losing it
most overhyped shitcoin ever
>>8912922Wait for their official news this month.
>>8912922We'll see who's laughing next month you fucking son of a bitch
>>8912949Please, there is a lot of space for Vechain to grow. They are going public in late June with more than 200 companies in the pipeline. Fuck off you just spreading FUD
>>8912954So it can be another BMW partnership? Kek
>>8912979It will be Maserati this time! Just you wait!!
>>8912977So why do you need to shill ven that much if you believe in it?
>>8912979Stop saying it's fake you goddamn liar, what the hell is wrong with you https://twitter.com/BMWStartups/status/978536096664612864
>>8913005Because it is fake.They enrolled a BMW startup competition, not made a partnership with BMW like they lied about it publicly.
>>8913005Yes! The rumor is true ...
>>8912979Not another parnership idiot. They already sad they have parnership with them now they will give us more info what exactly they will do for BMW and you will see they will do much
>>8913002I am not shilling that much bro. Its my first post on /biz since few months. I just belive in next ETH of 2018, and want u people to do proper research instead of calling ven scam and showing the arguments like bmw „parnership” its so fuckin stupid
>>8913019Did you read that tweet? BMW calls it a goddamn partnership you motherfucker.https://en.munich-startup.de/2017/06/26/talk-bmw-startup-garage/>The process works as follows: the first step is to let startups know about BMW. We need to communicate our added value and objectives on a global scale. A large number of startups have started sending us applications, with 90% coming from outside Germany.>The next step is to choose the best applicants, meaning market leaders who offer something that we at BMW and our current suppliers do not have yet. Startups that work with us have to be better than say Intel, SAP, Qualcomm, or whoever might work in that specific field.>After the first order has been completed successfully, the startup receives follow-up orders. The BMW Startup Garage does not buy shares, but instead the technology, even if it is still in its prototype stage. As already mentioned, the product is validated in an initial project within our ecosystem — be it in a car, factory or service. The goal is to get to know each other so well within those four months that we are able to establish a long-term partnership and the corresponding follow-up orders.BMW considers VeChain to be a MARKET LEADER.
>>8913075So basically it's a startup competition, not a partnership.
>>8913075The goal is to get to know each other so well within those four months that we are able to establish a long-term partnership and the corresponding follow-uIt’s been four months since the rummor of BMW and VEN parnership come to internet. Now they promise news this month connect
>>8913109A competition in the capitalist sense, yes, they were competing with other startups for partnerships, a partnership being defined as a working relationship where BMW is a client of VeChain's and they integrate VeChain's tech into their products. As in that link I posted:>BMW becomes the startup’s client, so the startup receives a supplier number and purchase order just like any other supplier.
the bmw partnership will be announced by bmw during the bejing auto show in late april btw. now is a good time to buy. also haward and french luxury goods which will only will use ven this month. also TA looking good. the downtrend will have an end. april will be great just be patient faggots
>>8913283As CCK sad. April is here!!!
You dumb if not buy Vechain. Good coin better than any. So many partnership it crazy and great project. Good things come soon so soon. Buy while cheap or regret.
Sunny is insider trading his bags, he's admitted that. Claims not to know who CCK is - and you guys believe him. Yes sir, good investment sir. A lot of partnerships, sir.
My biggest argument against VEN shills as a previously-loyal VEN holder:This coin has so much shit in the pipeline and so many incredible partnerships, but is worth shit. If nobody else is willing to buy into it since it's "obviously" so promising, why do you think a few NEETs here are somehow the chosen ones?Yeah it's got a lot behind it but it's worth shit all if it doesn't make you any money. You probably bought at ATH. Will probably dump after mainnet even with the lockup.
i forgot: also xiaomen partnership. the worlds largest RFID company. you must be brainless hodling link
Naiticus.io is the ico I've been looking at.
dont forget that they claimed an oxford university partnership and oxford BTFO'd them and told them to delete it because it was fraudulent
Maybe you haven't heard yet /biz/https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/introducing-assetlink-a-joint-supply-chain-management-application-of-xiamen-innov-corelink-and-4ce7d114f118>From now until the release of mainnet, Xiamen Innov and Smart Corelink will be working to onboard their existing customers onto this service>With already established partners such as Coca-Cola, Hyundai, Von Braun Labs, Samsung, Lenovo, Huawei, Coolpad, ZTE, APPLE, DELL, ASUSenjoy your fomo from ~June when network transactions start to blow up the price of VET
>>8913338Let's have a look at the wallets:https://vechain.whenlambomoon.com/nodes/vethorThere are 4433 VeThor Node wallets (At least 6000 VET, or $20,580)There are 1951 Strength-X wallets (At least 16k VET, or $54,880)There are 468 Thunder-X wallets (At least 56k VET, or $192,080)There are 452 Mjolnir-X wallets (At least 156k VET, or $535,080)That's how many people put serious money into it. NEET money is mostly inconsequential. Tim Draper bought into it. Jim Breyer bought into it. Now we wait.And I didn't buy at ATH. I bought when it was less than 30 cents last autumn.
>>8913430I raise you the top holders of ChainLink:https://etherscan.io/token/0x514910771af9ca656af840dff83e8264ecf986ca#balancesPeople will put exorbitant amounts into anything.
>>8913338Your arguments are sucked from the finger bro. Do proper reaserch and come back to this discussion if you want to. But stop acting like fuckin i know everythig guy, with nothing actually to say. They have great companies in the pipeline, support of the biggest investors, and hugo global partnerships already using product
>>8913632I know plenty about VEN, like I said, I used to hold it. I firmly believe, though, that unless you hold a fuck ton of it (node level) it's not going to be worth it. I know about Breyer, all of the companies that they work with, and their "hugo" global partnerships, but that's irrelevant if you can't answer this question:If VEN is such an obvious win, why isn't it worth more? How many times have VEN holders claimed it would be worth a ton already, and then a new, huge partnership comes out, and it dumps?I mean, good luck, you could have chosen worse coins, but if you only have a few hundred you have many better options out there.
>>8913632But how much is VET worth?!? What is a proper valuation? Not fucking $100. VET mooned already. It's not going to climb much higher than it's already been. Sorry you fell for the hype machine.
>>8913675>what is a market>>8913677whatever someone is willing to pay for it.the fact that it generates Thor and Thor is always going to be valued lower than VET incentivises VET to appreciate in value. simple economics.it all comes down to how much the network will be used, and at this rate it's obvious that it will be very very active with massive enterprise use.
>>8913756A market is the thing VEN is in, and it's not doing so hot. What is your point? You still haven't answered my question: What if it isn't going to be worth nearly as much as you think, which is entirely plausible considering the market we're in?
>>8913783>If VEN is such an obvious win, why isn't it worth more? How many times have VEN holders claimed it would be worth a ton already, and then a new, huge partnership comes out, and it dumps?>A market is the thing VEN is in, and it's not doing so hot.you answered yourself
>>8913805So I'm right, then. Good luck, you'll need it.
>>8913675>why isn't it worth more?Because its not even fucking released yet? Apart from a few pilots there is shit for adoptions? Also apart from those few pilots, no one is actually using it? Does your tiny mousebrain expect adoption to happen overnight, with companies and CEOs flipping shit in their offices just to get this funny little blockchain-thingy integrated into their enterprises? This takes years, decades even. Just take a look how SAP started out, take your add medication and open a book for change to educate yourself
>>8913817the market just shat itself. nothing gains speculative value in a market like this.key word: speculativethis won't be speculation anymore when they have a hugely active network. it's painfully obvious.as for how that translates to value/price increase, see >>8913756
do you think somebody who buys 800€ for his prada shoes , or his 150€ vine cares about 0.01cents or 2cents for his vet. lmao
>>8913675You understand that everything in speculative at this stage, right? And that the true value is revealed as adoption grows? The absolute state of /biz/.
>>8913823Sure, but that's still not an entirely functional argument. Don't you think others have considered that? What about all of the coins that have risen higher based on less? Many other coins have far less by way of actual applications.>>8913849I'll admit that's a good point, but if that's the case do you still believe VET will actually be worth the massive amounts others are claiming?It does come back to one question: Do you think VET will be worth it if you only hold scraps, as most of this board probably does?That's a personal question since realistically, it probably won't pay off.Most of this board is likely on that boat and are under the belief that their dreams of $1000 VET will happen so they can buy a new car with their 50 VET. Or in some other cases, poor snowmobile guy. It's delusion in another sense.
>>8913109a market leader sure is not someone taking part in a startup competition
Remainder that Sunny retweeted “$4.88 is a damn good buying opportunity” in February. Get in now or stay poor.
>>8913946You dont think as we see real world usecase concretizise the value of this disruptive new technology that it might affect other blockchains perhaps purely speculative value? You think everything stamped with "blockchain" will be huge success?
>>8913905This is correct and why I'll argue very strongly that VET will not explode. It's value is determined by the THOR it generates. There is no other reason to hold VET. Fundamentally, THOR has to be consumed cheaply if the Vechain network can survive.Anyone who thinks this is going to increase in speculative value independently of THOR consumption hasn't thought this through very well.
>>8912917to many 'partnerships' oh & the whitepaper with 'this is not a white paper, it just isn't' WAY to fuckin casual, imagine how casual they are going to be with this project.FFS if you own this shit you obviously can't do research, stay poor
>>8914068Its a platform token also.
>>8914032Sunny is a part of the hype machine who has been getting rich dumping on you fags. $4.88 was not a damn good buying opportunity in February, was it? Think for yourself fag.
>>8914081How much does that increase the value of VET?
>>8913946If there is another run anything remotely like 2017/2018 then yes, I believe it's probable VET will hit $100+ in a relatively short space of time. Regarding value increase due to usage/adoption, there's no way of knowing a specific time span yet, other than knowing value appreciation of some magnitude is true.I've been around to witness people claim $10 the top of BTC and $50 the top of ETH, so I wouldn't call it delusion at all.
>>8914082I was being sarcastic :^)
>>8914068Dude nobody cares about speculative value, we care about the value in actual use. The fact is there is only a certain amount of THOR produced, so the more companies actually using it it, the higher the value it has. It's pretty simple and I don't know why you don't understand it.
>>8914068NO. This is wrong on so many levels.This is the exact reason a two token economic system exists. VET value will not be pegged to the price of Thor. VET is free to experience market fluctuations including moons and crashes and Thor price/generation rate will be controlled according to that in order to keep it constant. Price of Thor doesn't matter in enterprise use, its consistency does. A company doesn't want to pay $1 one day for Thor and $10 the next. The dual token system solves this.
>>8914138Correct
>>8914032Remainder again that CEO of VeChain called $4.88/VET a damn good buying opportunity. Sunny definitely knows what he’s talking about.
>>8914097Well platform token in the same sense that eth is. No porn icos obviously. Adaption is the key to vet value as some enterprises will likely want to cover their expenses on blockchain by acquiring their own node. Two months.
>>891410680-90% of THOR will be generated by master nodes. How much will you be generating?How much do you think a transaction on the network will cost (in USD, not THOR)? It has to be fractions of a cent in order to be a viable solution to the enterprises that mean to operate on the platform. Think of their use cases and how many transactions will be required. A decentralized block chain platform is valuable to them so long as it is offered as a cost savings solution to their current problems. Louis Vuitton won't be spending millions of dollars a year to register handbags anon. So in order to justify $100 VET, how many transactions (at a fraction of a cent) will the network have to be supporting? A fucking lot. It's not going to happen EOY like you guys want to believe. It's unlikely to ever get anywhere near that unless they make some big changes to the current token economics.
>>8912917I'll pass thanks.Already own AMB and it's a piece of shit, like every other supply chain coin, it does nothing.And the fact this is a Chink scamcoin, means I won't be touching it with a 10-foot buy order.
>>8914138No dude, use your head. Would you pay $100 for a VET token if it's only generating THOR that's values at $5 a year? What kind of bullshit ROI is that? Greater fool theory won't carry this to the moon. It will grow with organic use of the network, but the speculative market is squashed by adoption. At that point we can crunch the actual numbers and understand VETs actual market value.
>>8914251I bet Sunny crunched those numbers and came up with $4.88 /s
>>8914213I have a Strength X node, so I'll be doing just fine thanks. Obviously widespread adoption to the point of me being able to literally live off passive income is going to take a few years, but why not wait for that?
>>8914238Have fun on your speculative vaporware while the bubble bursts. Oh yeah i forgot this is the greatest bullrun of our lifetime.
>>8914304You're not going to be able to live off the passive income from a strength node dude.
>>8914321>Have fun on your speculative vaporware while the bubble burstsYeah, like I said, AMB and all supply chain shitcoins are a piece of shit. At least AMB is not a Chink scamcoin piece of shit.
>>8914346AMB at least has room to grow. VET mooned already. I don't understand anyone still holding after the rebrand.
>>8914213Its not matter because those companies will have already close VET witch will be generating THOR so they dont need to buy from market, so its not really mattet what’s the price of thor is in this case
>>8914304>passive income>free money
>>8914332Pretty sure I will, even though VEN is far from my biggest holding. Assuming passive income will be in the 5-10% bracket and the price reflects the immense value of the network when it's fully operational and mature, I'll be very comfortable.
>>8914362???So why would you want to hold VET if you don't think there will be a market for the THOR you are generating?
>>8914372Maybe if half the world is operating on the Vechain network... that's mighty optimistic anon.
>>8914398Maths isn't your strong suit, I can tell.
>>8914213>has to be fractions of a centYou're looking at this all wrong and your math is complete ass. I've already BTFO your shit posts in other threads. and why does VeChain roll out 5 new partnerships every week? Because they know they need mass adoption. That's what they're doing. Louis Vuitton and BMW are just for legitimacy. That's not where the big money will come from. Look at what they're doing with food industry, carbon bank, tobacco, etc. Commodities will be performing millions of transactions. not to mention, VeChain is going to be competing with Ethereum for Dapps. There are many in the pipline. Dapps and ICOs that will be paid for in VEN. you had a "dudeeeeeeee" stoner moment and think you have this shit all figured out. All of the top executives at VeChain get paid in VEN and have a 2 year lockup. Do you have the hubris to believe you know more about their numbers than them?
>>8912979>he doesn't know that BMW will announce details of their Vechain program at the Beijing auto show this month
>>8914404Not every coin follows metcalfe.
>>8914413Vechain marketing is a scam dude. They have zero transaction on the network right now and you have no idea the extent to which their "partners" mean to utilize the platform. I doubt very much that it will live up to the hype and would be surprised to see anything but pilot programs running this year.
>>8914383There will be a market but big companies will not buy from there couse they will generate their own THOR is so fuckin hard to undersand?
>>8914447If that is going to work, these companies are going to have to buy huge numbers of VET in the first place. What does that tell you about the price? jfc
>>8914447What's hard to understand is why you think this is a valuable hold.
>>8914213The value of VET is determined by more than the value of the Thor it generates. It is also dependent on the demand for VeChain ICOs like BitOcean, interest in VeChain's asset exchange, and so on.
>>8914462You don't know how VET/THOR works
>>8914498Yeah nah, I do. Explain why my post doesn't make sense you absolute brainlet.
>>8914504you spent 5 minutes researching the project 2 months ago and think you understand it. 4chan, home of the pseudo intellect manchild who has accomplished absolutely nothing with his lifekill yourself
>>8914504Most of those companies sure as hell aren't market-buying.
>>8914538Ah yes, I see my mistake now. Here I was thinking increased demand for the product would result in a higher price. I'm sorry and bow before your superior intellect.
>>8914443yes, that's why they have 100 employees and are hiring an additional 100 developers by end of year. Surely pilot programs are enough to fund all of thatyou're in this thread for contrarian validation and nothing more.
>>8914540They aren't now because Vechain is allocating it directly to strategic partners to get the ecosystem running. In the future they sure as hell will be buying on the open market, as has already been clarified in AMAs.
>>8914568You're delusional
>>8914553superior intellect that can read the medium business AMAs they publish
>>8914564Explain how pic isn't marketing "scam."
>>8914251You don't have any clue about the economic model of this. Please stop and go read some more, really.
>>8914588>>8914596And the salty walties still don't refute my very simple arguments.
Is it true that the binace delisting is going to possibly be reversed?
>>8914568kek I replied to the wrong guy. my b>>8914614this is literally the best you can come up with? Holy shit. I'm almost positive you're the same retard from the other threads a while back. why are you in a VEN thread instead of a WTC thread where they have literally committed scam marketing? You're here for attention
>>8914647Either 1) Sunny has done the math even though we know it's near impossible to do so or 2) unabashed marketing.
>>8914680didn't you sell the absolute bottom? Some guy who sounded just like you sold his entire stack at trough of the dump a few months ago, then proceeded to endlessly FUD
>>8914680actually PwC, Oxford Mathematics and Michigan State have done the math, but whatever a /biz/tard says I guess..
>>8914708What I do is irrelevant to the pic. I'm here to listen to good arguments against this but have heard none.
>>8914715what math is that? source? or just more hot air
>>8914970they literally all work with Vechain. What do you think their purposes are?jesus fuck
>>8914970I suspect the math will never be made public because Sunny wants speculatively high VET price.
>people still shill this shitty coinI want flags on this board so I can know who these retards are.
>>8915017or they just don't give a fuck about explaining to retards on biz acting like the next Gordon Gekko because they already know it works
>>8914985So where are the numbers? And who's on the dev team?
>>8915050DYOFRgoogle exists for a reason
Have 1k ven, will I make it?
>>8915058I have. There's only videos of either sunny or kevin feng talking or some b/s power point. I want facts not a sales pitch.
>>8915058You literally can't google up anything on the lead Blockchain dev lmao.
>>8915081it's all there if you actually take time to look.i suspect you won't though because you're the type of person that gives up if it isn't all packaged up for you in one little 5 minute youtube video.
>>8915090yes you can you're just an idiot who doesn't look at chinese search results because you think the world revolves around western society
>>8915120source?
>>8915171sure, refer to >>8915058
>>8915145kek
>>8915022I know who you are. You are jealous and cancerous newcoiner who is trying to get an edge fudding.
>VET shills constantly respond to criticism they can't answer by spouting the same old rhetoric "DYOR"I see nothing has changed since December except a lot less $1000 EOY predictions.
>>8915196So whats his name and experience? Or is that written in a medium blog too?
>>8915233VEN shills literally BTFO by a question.
>>8915242what part of doing your own research is hard to understand?i had to do it at some pointi'm not here to help anyone out of the goodness of my hearti'm here to satisfy my urge to btfo trolls and other fucking degenerates with irrefutable logic
>>8915285>>8915285>m here to satisfy my urge to btfo trolls and other fucking degenerates with irrefutable logicSure doing a great job only playing defense.
>>8915325i've yet to see a point of mine be successfully refuted so, yeah.
>>8915325He thinks VET is the next BTC or ETH. Good luck arguing with that.
>>8915359you done sucking his dick yet?i've never stated that's what i think but it's actually already more useful and has higher adoption than BTC and ETH
>>8915351All you have said is DYOR.If ven was as legitimate as you think, wouldnt we all know the technicalities and who is heading the team of devs? As well as maybe some progress reports, but no. We get DYOR and VEN generates thor and 100$ end of month bullshit.. KYS
>>8915233Haha rekt
>>8915404as i've said before, they are geared towards enterprises and professional use, they don't give a fuck about you nor I having all the information we ask for. that said, it is already out there if you really want to find it.
>>8915439>it is already out there if you really want to find it.>or they just don't give a fuck about explaining
>>8915439An actual cogent response, but more of the same behind the curtains type answer.
>>8915404https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/vechain-and-yunkean-logsafer-a-leading-supply-chain-risk-management-platform-enter-into-47cc11694674No one ever talks about this, but the potential for VEN in this specific market is what gets me most wet. DNV GL was behind this strategic announcement so you can be sure that this will be shilled to their clients once the product is ready for mass adoption.
>>8915473A wild shill appears.
>>8915233You do realize that means you're all lazy cunts, right?
>>8915469because i'm not here to be accountable for this project to some fucking lazy faggot on /biz/. I already know the answers to what you're asking, but finding out the actual answers is not the reason why you are asking here and that's why i'm not answering.
>>8915504
1. Circle- Breyer- Poloniex 2. Bitocean- Japan- ATM 3. Renault- BMW- eGrid 4. Xiamem- Corelink - coca-cola- lenovo - gp motors- etc. 5. LV - Paris incubator- luxury And many many more, you need to be stupid to dont see how they are setting up in front of your blind eyes. Show me other coin like that.
>>8915514if you know the all answers, then you're making yourself look like a liar. Just answer the question then. WHO IS THE DEV?
>>8915530oh, i look like a liar. i'm glad i give a fuck.you'll be able to find out whether i actually am lying or not by spending some of your time looking a little harder. but we all know you won't and that's why you're here.
I don't care about spoonfeeding, but from what I've seen in the past:>Person asks a specific question which they can't find the answers to via Google or they can only find purported rumours>Shills respond by saying "DYOR"Yeah, as you can see, extremely helpful response, why not just answer the fucking question if you know everything?>inb4 use BaiduLmao
>>8915603https://www.reddit.com/r/Vechain/comments/7kt90m/the_vechain_leadership_team_best_in_class/Where's the dev?
>>8915618 meant to be a response to >>8915510
>>8913675>it's the year 2011>How can bitcoin ever be worth $20,000 if it isn't worth 20,000 right now.
>>8915620not on there.
>>8915401>it's actually already more useful and has higher adoption than BTC and ETHIt's hard to refute this when all we have to go off of are exaggerated partnerships/hype with no actual math/code.
>>8913675Chink hype scam You would think the coin is worth 50 dollars by nowBut can't blame Ven , all coins follow the same trend now. Pump for news and announcements dump after That hodl shit is dead. Everyone wants to pull a profit The days of neo eth growth are over.
>>8915655This is pathetic. This thread's getting screencapped as an example of the uncertainty and deception ven shillers have willfully bought into in hopes to make money. If something is too good to be true, it more than likely is.
It's so fun to see how people yell scam scam scam when it seems like no one remembers their most important partnership: DNV GL. As soon as I read that in november I bought as much VEN as I could. And holy fuck it paid off
>>8915765>exaggeratedVET already being used by one of the biggest logistics assurance companies in the worldshow me businesses with any impact that use BTC and ETH in the real worldprotip: you can'ttell me, will your grandmother know how to set up and maintain a cryptographic wallet for easy payments?
>>8915774there are literally none of the dev team stated in that post. what other response would you have liked me to give?
>>8915641Such a shitty comparison. Bitcoin had nothing backing it in 2011.
>>8915831Anon you come off as a moonboy who fell for Sunny's hype because you're not STEM and don't understand the need to back arguments with numbers.
>>8915285I really dont think responding to everything with "USE GOOGLE I WONT TELL YOU NANANANANA" counts as "btfo" someone out, using "irrefutable logic" or making a great argument. And I say this as a Vet holder: you seem like an idiot and you clearly can't answer their questions.
>evolved from peeing into bottles>TO POOPING IN PLASTIC BAGS>Triple bag and tie to cover smell, use baby wipes, put in my own personal freezer until trash day so it doesn't smell
>>8915885again, i couldn't give a fuck how i come off as on /biz/.you've all made it clear why you're here, and i've made it clear that i'm not feeding you with what you want because i'm secure enough to know what i know already. so either you don't know and are too lazy to find out, or you're here to attempt to stir the pot.as i'm a degenerate that has been here for many years, i don't mind jumping in because what the fuck else am i doing with my time. but it really isn't hard to find out what you're supposedly looking for. you just won't get it from me.
>>8915848Maybe refute my post with your own source of info. This is fucking sad
>>8915939i'm not on biz to answer their questions. neither are they on biz to find out genuine information. only a fucking retard couldn't see that.the fact that they haven't been able to actually find out yet tells you a lot about this place.
>i'm secure enough>24 posts in this thread>not a single valuable response, only "GOOGLE IT" "DYOR">comes off as a fedora tipping neckbeard soon to be seen on a high school murder spree
>>8915969ok, fine. to keep this going, i'll entertain.lead dev is mentioned in a medium article.some of the dev team have been made REALLY easy to find out in the past 2 days.that's all you tards get.
>>8912975Still him.
>>8915999>valuable responses on 4channewfaggery
>>8915987
>>8916026I think we've offered you fresh responses/perspectives in this bread, but you refuse to listen.
>>8916026You've clearly not been here before the big boomer invasion, otherwise you'd known that most of the threads back then actually were helpful.Now we are stuck with angry manchildren like you, great.
>>8916016Link if it's REALLY easy.
>>8916052>4chan since 2005>biz since 2014try again
>>8916064kek
>>8916082Are you gonna cry now anon?!
>>8916064play ball with me man come onplease
>>8916122no i'm just getting bored of your same response.you could at least switch it upagain, it speaks volumes of this place today
>>8914251>doesn't realize people will continue to speculate about future demand for THOR>thinks once there's a working product all speculation of future value goes away>has apparently never heard of Teslatop fuckign kek
>>8916186That's not how THOR works. Sigh VeChain really is a normie trap.
>>8916186until there is another better working system paired with someone as big as DNVGL that does the same thing as Vechain then the demand for Thor will remain constant. At that point it will be pretty obvious it's time to jump ship. VET will continue to appreciate though. It's just economics.
>>8916236Are you implying that THOR will be fixed in price by the foundation? Sunny already confirmed that wasn't the case back in December.
>>8916236>>8916239VeChain brings on more users of the platform -> demand for THOR goes up -> generation rate of THOR goes up -> VET produces more THOR -> VET worth moreit must be hard being retarded, I feel bad for you
>>8916315yes, that's been my point all along.where's the speculation in that?
>>8916315So close.VeChain brings on more users of the platform -> demand for THOR goes up ->price of THOR goes up while transaction costs remain constant -> Enterprises buy less THOR to cover transaction costs -> VET worth more
>>8916315>>8916348>>8916353
>>8916446did you find out yet?
>>8916348You can take the THOR generation rate on a given day, and figure out how much THOR you are generating from your VET tokens. You know the price of THOR, so you can figure out how much USD those those tokens are worth. Then you can use something akin to a P/E ratio (or a set rate of return you think crypto investors demand) to calculate what a fair price for VET is. (example: if you know that a VET token at a given point in time generates you $5 of THOR/year, and you know people demand a minimum of 10% return, you might say a fair price of VET at that time is $50). But if people think in 6 months from now the demand for THOR will be higher, such that the THOR generation rate goes up, and your VET token will generate $10 of THOR per year, and you're still assuming the 10% return being what the market demands, then they essentially think VET will be worth $100 in 6 months from now. And they will buy it up higher than $50 (the current price based solely on current demand) and speculate that it's a good buy even at 55..60...65...70...this is literally how speculation works. it's why Tesla's stock is worth a fuck tonto anyone out there reading this, do not ever take advice from anyone on /biz/, this place is filled with trolls unfamiliar with the dunning-kruger effect.the absolute fucking retard state of /biz/
These threads really take me back to early ETH threads, same amount of bitter retards that will continue to stay poor once more, keep it coming need more material for the future archive
>>8916297My understanding is $ price per service is negotiated and fixed via contracts just like any other. If the agreed price is $1 for a certain service and THOR is $1, then THOR demand is 1. If THOR is $2 then THOR demand is 0.5.
>>8916460Ya i did, there is no dev. It's all smoke and mirrors with the promise of buy now and generate money later.SCAM SCAM SCAM
>>8916473>>8916473you can speculate on the price of VET but not Thor. That's the whole point of the dual token system. It's already been covered in detail and worked on by PwC. The point is that VET will always be worth more than Thor and as long as there is sufficient demand from businesses operating on the network for Thor then the price of VET will continue to appreciate.
>>8916509We're on the same page then.
>>8914564Chinese prison labor
>>8916590And I believe this too:>>8914251>the speculative market is squashed by adoption. At that point we can crunch the actual numbers and understand VETs actual market value.
>>8916553nobody is talking about speculating on the price of THOR. The generation rate of THOR will be adjusted based on the demand for THOR to keep the price of THOR stable. It's the increase in THOR generation rate that will increase the value of VET, plus speculation on future increase in THOR generation rate.
>>8916504>References to ETHAre the sign of every delusional bagholder.Even as we speak, there are delusional bagholders sitting on millions Reddcoin, DigiByte,Mintcoin, and a whole bunch of other trash, claiming that their worthless shitcoin is really just an ETH in the making.ChainLink-tier delusions desu.
>>8916624agreed. admit i did read your initial post as speculation on thor price rather than demand.
>>8916681and how many of those had live products, billionaire venture capitalist interest and were working directly alongside two global powerhouses? you can't even say the majority of that about ETH
>>8916681This. But ven will generate thor with all the use cases and adoption DURRR
Can you faggots stop praising VEN. I'm still accumulating, fucking retards.
>>8916524Yea im sure dnv gl does their risk assessment the biz way. You know, -risk assessment, kind of what they been doing for a living about a hundred years? They assessed many blockchain projects and endorsed vechain. But im sure youll be more amused how i kind of said ass many times you retarded shitflinging faggot.
>>8913019It's not a competition, it's an R&D program. Can you atleast research before spreading this exact same FUD?
>>8916822This.
>>8916473Speculation is based on expected future useage. Since this space is so new, you’re free to speculate as high as you want on any coin.
>>8914251>Would you pay $100 for a VET token if it's only generating THOR that's values at $5 a year? Just reread >VET value will not be pegged to the price of Thor.... Thor price/generation rate will be controlled according to that in order to keep it constantAnd use your head to figure out what it means. I'm not going to spoonfeed to you what has already been explained.
>>8912917why did this thread blow up? should i add some VeChain to my port. I love coins that have "Chain" in the name most likely scams but also most potential to 100x
>>8917443Its the first to roll out with widespread industry adoption and i would not want to be on vaporware shitcoins when the promises of blockchain technology materialisate. I hope the real world implementation and value is higher than the hype.
>>8917649>materialisatewhat word is this lol
>>8918029The world of made up numbers and invisible developers.
>>89134301 out of 468, feels good man
I see a lot of idiots or kids spreading FUD and coming with the stupid arguments calling Ven scam in this post. I see also people who know what is going on with VEN now and theh see the potential. Those people spend some time on reaserch, read about what they doing and with who! They connect those simple dots, and propably they will profit from that- but the time will show, let’s wait!!
>>8918029Some...close proximate, i still dont know how to write it nor would i dare to pronounce it. Materialisize.
>>8918055Fuck off upfiring, turtlecoin, datawallet whatever it is these days.
>>8918109>Tfw when corporations beg for my nodes
>>8915852Such a shitty response. I responding on the comment that if it was so valuable why isn't it worth more.
>>8918175>Materialisizethe word you are searching for is, materialize. The definition is to become certain, fact, or for something to finally happen. Is English your first language..?
So many salty Waltys and retarded brainlinks in here.Just buy some vet... Enjoy your normie life and then reap rewards in a year's time. Or.. Keep wasting your time with shit coins that achieve nothing
>>8918338No its not my native language. I often use words intuitively, they just pop to my head out of some context even if often i could not give dictionary explanation of them. Materialize is what i meant yes.
>>8914304>oh shit our coin is tanking>peasant nodes?I almost fell for the node meme tooSold my "STRENGTH" when they came up with that "X" shit to force more bagholding
>>8918572Ill be like "i dont know what it means but i know its the right word, go check dictionary and youll see" my gf be like "no, we cant use words in scrabble unless everybody knows them" ill be like "jesus fuck".
>>8918706
I have 1k Vechain will I make it?
>>8918784can you name the lead dev? If not then no.
>>8918951can u?no cus i never told u
>>8918964Ya he doesn't exist. Chang Doe
>ITT: /biz/ being exposed for the children they areThe phrase "anon....I" is no more appropriately used than for anyone shitting on VET.The only arguments that could be made against owning this coin is that you can maybe realize quicker gains playing the market or you don't have 5 figures to invest.If you aren't an impatient child and have funds are further proof of that, this is one of the most legit projects existing in this space.There really is no reason to FUD this project unless you're jealous you can't partake.
>>8919021i'll give you one last hint.lead dev is technically an executive
>>8919046except ya know like proof of the blockchains technical specs. Since it's been running right?
>>8919046poorfags automatically fud any coin in the top 20 because "it can only go like 10x max" and they will still be poor even if they 10x their pathetic $500 stack so they have to go gamble on microcap pnd coins
>>8919066Found him
>>8919147it only took you a whole 4 minutes to come up with that one. good going kiddo!
>>8919166You and your Ventards
>>8919104Vechains technology has been audited by pwc. Try harder.
>>8919216"PWC China" Basically a franchise, known for scams and fake partnerships to pump stocks. Watch the China Hustle
>>8916473you're wasting your time everyone on this board is 20 yo and failed econ 101
>>8919046ITT: nontech NEETs thinking cost conscious businesses will buy their overpriced nodes
Thunder Node here. Can't wait to retire.
>>8919235do you honestly believe what you type or just fudding for fun? you seriously think breyer and draper didnt do their research and put their name on a scam project?
>>8919235why so rustled
>>8919298>>8919317Please enlighten me who's lead developer? And what are the technicals for the blockchain since it's being "used" by businesses already.
>>8919267>cost conscious>overpriced>tfw lawyers and compliance costs drastically cutAnon...I
>>8919235Pwc in your Movie?
>>8919195Sorry champ but you uploaded the wrong image. The one you uploaded is a bunch of retarded prepubescent fucktards who put all their lunch money into link
>>8919364why should anyone give a single fuck about proving shit to you? don't like the coin then don't buy it or read about it. you like wasting your life on things you apparently hate? kys you fucken faggot.
>>8919390>>8919400>>8919414What platform or platforms can a node run on?
>>8919414ThisGave me a nice Monday morning chuckle
>>8914564Those 100 developers are there to build and maintain customized apps for enterprises on the platform. This is where Vechain will be making most of their money (90%+)...enterprise software sales. The network is cheap, it fundamentally has to be in order to be successful. Vechain is going to make a lot of money, but you aren't invested in Vechain....your buy in is just network access. Have you seen?
>>8919440kys you stupid faggot. why do you waste your life doing this? you don't like vechain then fuck off and forget about it. is this how you get enjoyment in your pathetic fucken life or are you getting paid for your efforts? either way kys.
>>8919466>This is where Vechain will be making most of their money (90%+)...enterprise software sales. Vechain is a not-for-profit foundation you dense cunt, neck yourself.
>>8919468Is vechain compatible with ubuntu? Linux? Mac?
>>8919494seriously kys you oxygen thief.
>>8919368Got a reference for how much administrative costs will be saved?
>>8919521How many tx per second on the blockchain right now?
>>8919494Nodes will be run on linux. Shady stuff to say the least.
>>891953310000 a secWhitepaper is getting released before mainnet i suppose.
>>8919581>>8919601Source?
>>8919639Linux was on the system requirements on running nodes just recently 10000tx has been sited for months you really havent read about it at all have you? Google vechain 10000tx like i just did please im on win8 mobile its hell.
>>8919491So what are the 100 devs for anon? Those kind of number mean they have many different projects in development. They are building out solutions for targeted use cases...like supply chain management. Accessing that software isn't going to be offered for free.
Every reddit soyboy is already in this coin. It'll go up but the growth is going to be slow.
>>8919693Whos the lead developer?
Lol @ muh growth will be slowVen is the one of a few coins in the top 20 that isn't down 50%+ since jan 1. $2.20 on jan 1st so almost up 100% since this yr. Name one coin in the top 20 thats performed anywhere near as well in that time.
>>8919694>what are the 100 devs forTo accelerate the adoption of the Vechain blockchain and therefore increase the valuation of VET.
This is the coin that bridges blockchain and mainstream adoption, bitcoin had first movers advantage for being the first crypto Vechain will have first movers advantage for being the first to actually be used.500 billion market cap in 5 years
https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/https-medium-com-vechainofficial-authority-masternodes-4c1233c6f18eHeres about the node system requirements.
>>8919716Gu Jianliang is their CTO
>>8919716Some guy named gu i think. The one with lots of patents, beats me man. Synny doesnt know how to code.
>>8919787https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/introducing-vechains-cto-gu-jianliang-to-the-community-81f7343f583b
>>8919764I'd like to see VEN hit $100 this year and turn a lot of /biz/ tards into millionaires. I'm rooting for all of us who took the risk to invest in this coin.
>>8919764>500 billion market cap in 5 yearsOnly degenerate speculators will touch VET at that price. Enterprise users will not pay more than they need to for Thor.>>8919716Bin Qian. Good luck finding any info on him.
>>8919764What incentive would there be to hold a node is the market cap was 500 billion? Everyone would want to be rich as fuck by selling their stack instead of holding to generate THOR...which isn't going to be worth anywhere near enough to justify locking up many millions of dollars.
>>8919871VET could be $10,000 a pop and it wouldn't have the slightest impact on the cost to use the blockchain. Pretty smart that twin-token system, eh?
>>8919875
>>8919716So you buying? All those articles may very well be fabricated. Scams are getting more elaborate with lots of money involved. Theres lots of money in real business opportunities also. Wasa wasa
>>8919887Duh....you willing to lock up a fat stack of VET at that price to run a node? You kids are delusional. The price of VET is not independent of THORs consumption value. You want to believe it is....but it's just not how this works.
I think the lead developer was named vitamin...vitali something.
The icos on vechain are gonna be hot shit
>>8919887You have serious mental health issue
>>8913404Fucking hell, I have been posting about the high probability of this happening ever since waltoncucks have been spamming the "VeChain outsources their RFID hardware so walton must be better" copypasta and NOBODY FUCKING LISTENED TO ME.
>>8920018Best thing is that the Vechain tokens will be locked for 2 years..
>>8919871>talks about the wants and needs of enterprise users>never left his bedroomI love how the NEETs on this cartoon porn image board know so much about enterprise users. You’ve spoken to many about this?
I remember after the january crash all the retarded VEN shilling >MUH $100 by rebrand>MUH $1K END OF YEAR>MUH PEOPLE'S BANK OF CHINA
>>8919926>>8920049i guess you haven't read through this thread where the whole thing was explained.
>>8920136And it would have happened too, if it wasn't for the pesky crash! Don't forget, Tron went x160 in a month, ADA x100 in 2. VeChain going to $100 wasn't out of the realm of possibility with the level of hype it was generating - unfortunately the market had other plans.
>>8920680Shut the fuck up you dumbass
>>8920916found the 13 year old
>>8920916Man those Walton bags must be astronomically heavy buddy
The degenerates will fomo in at 100k+ sats
>>8921013You must be the same shill with mental health issue thinking anyone who disagree with you is automatically a Walton holder. You are (((pathetic))).
I think ICON is a much better project :)
>>8921066i don't think you know what those brackets represent on this board.at least we know now who really has the mental health issue.>hint: it's you
>>8921013Any criticism must be a Walton holder. You do realise every single VEN thread is free publicity for Walton right? Keep getting that name out there you idiot lol.