/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>8755335
>Why haven't we killed them yet?
because there is no system to replace this

>>8755341
But how else would we pay for roads

>>8755335
could move to a better country

a new government that is limited and runs by the constitution will take over. not jews and niggers with fake degrees and black robes. KILL THEM ALL. JUSTIOCE MUST BE SERVED. CLEAN AMERICA. kill the rich kill the greedy scum. kill them allllllllllll

>>8755335
>>Parent dies and gives you inheritance
>>Taxed to shit

What?

In Australia there's no inheritance tax or gift tax.

There's also no tax on capital gains when selling your home.

Get your parents to move to Australia just before they die and become citizens so you can get that sweet tax free inheritance.

>>8755382
Like Anti-Free Speech, rape central BritBogland?
No thank you.

>>8755335
>Why haven't we killed them yet?
I don't know, you tell me

>>8755362
Toll gates.
Community funding.
Crowdfunding. (Those that didn't participate pay a toll)

>>8755396

Wait a minute:

The federal estate tax exemption—that's the amount an individual can leave to heirs without having to pay federal estate tax—will be $5.43 million in 2015, up from $5.34 million for 2014.

This is the USA, whats the problem?

>>8755335
try being canadian...

>$175k for college
>start working, get taxed almost 50%
>more immigrants/welfare bums keep mooching off the socialized systems that i'm paying for
>invest in crypto, pay 50% tax
>start a small business, pay 50% tax

but hey free medical and weed amiright? kill me

>>8755335
>Why haven't we killed them yet?
You act like this was all imposed on you by some shadowy government that you can't control. Hate to break it to you, but the citizens voted in the legislators that created all of these taxes. If you don't like it, start a movement to replace them with legislators that will lower or repeal them. If most other Americans agree with you, that will solve your problem. If not, tough shit. That's literally democracy.

I agree that in general taxes are too high, but most of the taxes go to pay for stuff that I want my government to do for our country. So I'm not sure I would say "killing them" is the right solution. Maybe just some more moderate tax cuts.

>>8755466
Just think of the refugees like a token burn req style.

>>8755466
>but hey free medical and weed amiright? kill me
also your country is full of french speaking faggots

>>8755436
because enforcing laws without a government really works well huh

>>8755335
>Why haven't we killed them yet?

Because the ones who benefit from your taxes are in the majority.

There's a word for for it... democracy.

>>8755491
true and i hate them

>>8755515
If your not a soyboy or a cuck you can go and talk with your neighbors and community to enforce your own laws etc.
Not hard when everyone is of the same cultural and racial background.

>>8755485
>start a movement
lmao, like what, occupy wall st? i literally watched that go down in flames because "muh winter"

>>8755335
It's your fault for playing the game by their rules

>>8755565
>lmao, like what
like literally the rest of that sentence, numbnuts. How do you think candidates get elected? Magic?

>>8755485
>>8755565
Reminder that OWS became a threat to the point that the FBI and Secret service had snipers trained on them. Then the CIA placed their agents in there and it fizzled out. They have precautions against any serious movement.

Killing them is probably the only way we will see tangible change.

>>8755607
>magic
... have you spent one single second paying attention to US elections and politics...?
moreover, with a first-past-the-post system, we'll always have two parties, and therefore, no real choice

>>8755335
>Parent dies and gives you inheritance
>Taxed to shit

It's called a holdings company you idiot. Maybe read up on tax law and find the loopholes before you shitpost.

>>8755607
also, this: >>8755609
i'm assuming you don't live here

>>8755335
>>8755341
Reminder to my frenz that DAOs and Smart Contracts are literally the answer to this kind of bullshit. The government is an unneeded middle man taking the profits of we the people.
Anarcho capitalist revolution when?

>>8755559
>enforce laws in regards to statewide transport and power infrastructure with your neighbor
being this retarded must hurt at night, right?

>>8755559
Almost like you would be forming a government.

>how are libertarians this fucking retarded

>>8755335
Tax was (((ironically))) created by the poor to punish the rich but ended up cucking themselves.
>Be a normie
>Get rekt by other normies

>>8755485
>if you don't like it start a movement to replace the government

>>8755335
thats only because the majority of the country is poor people who actually get all this money you lost and they are the black army

>>8755491
Quebecquers are actually the only based canadians and they have an actual identity. Anglo canadians are basically counterfeit American democrats with less brown blood and more soy.

>>8755816
>libertarian
Nope, more of an anarcho fascist/communitarian.
At least I'd have some "say" in this government and be able to opt out of any taxation I think is unnecessary.

>>8755776
>statewide
only if the state is considered whatever you and your neighbors own with a limit to the max size a community can be to ~300 people or around 150 families.

>>8756314
>with a limit to the max size a community can be to ~300 people or around 150 families.
enforcing community size limits without a government sure will work great. It's not like we have states because this system escalated until we had nation states or anything :^)

>>8755335
I dont know how it is handled in your country, but in Germany you get:
- health insurance
- the security of not needing to die if I cannot work anymore
- more than 10 years of free, mandatory school
- free university (no one cares, if you sit in the lectures, even if you are not a student)
- security
- acceptable/good infrastructure

All in all, I am quite ok with paying taxes. US would take more by simply pushing some of these costs on me directly (like university, health care...).

>inb4 "cucked brainwashed German rapefugee victim"

>>8755341
huh? what we have now, crony capitalism, can and should be replaced by free market capitalism.

Meanwhile in Germany, in real life for non-losers:
> government pays for my bachelor and master degree
> pays my expenses, only have to pay back half after being finished with study
> earn 80k EUR a year

Don't mind paying taxes, life is good

>>8755335
All because the government is at debt.

>>8755485
Nobody is ever going to lower taxes or imperil social programs as long as the vote of one hobo counts for as much as the vote of a productive member of society. They are going to keep voting themselves more free shit, slowly but surely.

>>8755335
Be in a rational Europoor country:
- accrue no debt
- get paid to attend university
- always pay the same amount of tax, regardless of the size of salary
- always pay the same amount of tax on investment, regardless of how many trades you have made or how long you have hodld

>>8756527
This. Capitalism regulated to death and with random socialism cannot work and will never work.

>>8756432
>>8756593
And a cucked goverment which is getting elacted over and over again.

You just don't care about the long term effects of your situation right now. Birth rate is going down per year and migration is trying to solve this issue. You are appreciating your own genocide right now and the next generation will fucking hate you

>>8755362
dont forget the police and the prisons they build so they can imprison you.

monopoly on legitimate use of force <3

>>8756768
>And a cucked goverment which is getting elacted over and over again.

No defending the mistakes they made, but life is actually quite good here.

>Birth rate is going down per year
Did you actually look up the numbers or do you take whatever bullshit Breitbart gives you for granted? Birth rate grew for the last 5 years straight.

I think somalia is a perfect country for you OP, government wont tax you there

>>8755335
Roads

>>8755527
Fuck the majority. They don't truly need it.

>>8755436
taking muh money to pay for roads? okay we shall hang you

>>8756910
They also wont take your assault rifles.

>>8757015
>taking muh money to pay for roads?
I'm not taking your money.
If you want to use something, pay for it. no ones forcing you to use it.

You can have a helicopter ride if you want. But you'll pay for it as well.

>>8755362
This. This is the price you pay for muh roads.

>>8756902
Birthrate of genetic Germans he means, not Arabs who are given German citizenship.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2eAMauZ2JIA

>>8757217
>Birthrate of genetic Germans he means, not Arabs who are given German citizenship.

Birth rate adjusts itself over about two generations, so all fears of "genetical genocide" is far away from realistic, even if we would consider "race" or "genes" a meaningful measurement for quality of offspring.

>inb4 muh bell curve

>>8756686
What is this paradise?

>>8755335
(((government)))

>>8756593
my experience growing up in germany:
> have an abusive father who beats the ever-living shit out of you
> flee from him with mother and sister by the age of 10
> sister goes crazy, starts smoking and gets impregnated
> mother also goes crazy and starts psychologically abusing you
> some teachers (gymnasium; you're smart enough to join pointless elitist clubs like mensa) start bullying you and threaten expulsion, because your mind is so fucked up that you literally cannot participate in class anymore
> jugendamt comes into the family because the sister gets pregnant when you are 12
> mother + sister team up and jugendamt starts semi-bullying you, as well ("we don't care about your point of view, because they said...")
> have a mental breakdown and drop out of school by the age of 13
> have the jugendamt extort a "we leave your life and you will go back to school" agreement out of you (which you were unable to, of course)
> effectively have state-paid child-care cut/reduced, because not going to school results in a fine (which the jugendamt tells you is your fault, shortly before disappearing from your life)
> make suicide attempts nobody cares about by the age of 14, after having independently tried to re-enter the system and been bullied by a projecting principal (different school.)
> spend years isolated on the internet, not going outside or interacting with real people because of massive, abuse-induced social phobia and natural shyness (i'm not autistic; i also suffered lasting physical damage as i was unable to go see the doctor when i had an infection)
> projecting psychologists don't want to treat you later on in life, because it's a waste of time, they don't want to believe you or can't connect with you on a philosophical/intellectual level
> received 200 bucks from the state after the age of 18, which was just enough to pay for health-care (enabling you to visit psychologists who don't want to treat you)

>>8756593
today i have absolutely no positive outlook on anything. and even though i have somewhat recovered independently and taught myself some things like japanese, it literally feels as if there's no reason the change anything about the situation. and if i "make it" with crypto (which is a real possibility), i'm definitely going to try to flee germany rather than pay >45% taxes to support "the needy" or pay for somebody else's sex addiction or psychological therapy (this isn't a "democracy," but a fascist tyranny of the majority), when i have never received any real/useful help myself. indeed, the "asocial safety net" strangled me to death.

oh, the last time i called some state-based "social support" institution, they hung up on me, because i had the indecency to complain lightly. with "simply ignoring the problem and running away" appearing to be the solution as it was also displayed by the jugendamt. and since i have no positive outlook living on this asocially self-destructing cancer planet, my life is already over and i no longer care, i sort of simply accept them not wanting to help me.

p.s. in case of replies, i won't read them for reasons of lingering anxiety in regards to this topic.

>>8758266
Das hört sich nach hart abgefucktem Leben und hart abgefucktem Borderline an.

Nimm die Antidepris und geh in die Geschlossene, ansonsten ist die Wahrscheinlichkeit hoch, dass du dich in den nächsten Jahren weghängst.

>>8755335
Someday we will get rid of democracies. Crypto is one step.

>>8755485
that's literally a republic you fucking moron. the US is a 'representative democracy,' which is just a republic

>>8758266
>everyone bullies me
>I'm a victim
>entire life is result of things out of my control

Keep thinking that way and it'll never change, desu.

>>8758388
>entire life is result of things out of my control
Standard for borderline syndrome.
But I guess we dont understand the "deepness" of his state and his intellect, as he is THE snowflake.

>>8758388
>getting fucked up before reaching age 14
>just man up, it is just in your head

>>8757068
you want to put up toll places all over and use the money to pay for roads as well as a nationwide toll system so in case i use helicopters to drive everywhere i can opt out?

makes sense

>>8758441
No you're right, everything he does should be excused and he should have no responsibility for his own life and outcomes because he had a sad childhood.

>>8758441
If it is true what happened to him, it is fucked up. But at some point in time, you need to face that you are not a snowflake. Either you can handle it or - in most cases - you need help.

But if you do not get help, because "projecting psychologists don't want to treat you", you do not deserve pitty, because you rather stick to the "all is against me"-narrative in a country, where you can get this exact treatment literally for free, is simply cringy. And also a sign for a fucked up case of borderline.

>>8758419
Nobody understands him, he is always misunderstood ;-)

If he really has borderline than I feel bad for him, because you can hardly cure it and living with someone like that is damn straight impossible. My ex had borderline, I dumped the bitch after suffering her gaslighting and mental abuse for quite some time. Best descission ever, my life quality improved 10 fold now that this emotion sucking succubus is out of my life. I allways had my shit together still somehow so I could start over within a few months.

>>8758266
>received 200 bucks from the state after the age of 18, which was just enough to pay for health-care

You can't get HartzIV or mental disability neetbux?

>>8758475
>you want to put up toll places all over and use the money to pay for roads as well as a nationwide toll system so in case i use helicopters to drive everywhere i can opt out?
Well I wouldn't put them all over.

Roads don't cost that much to upkeep if everyone who uses them pays for it.
You could have different systems in place depending on what the community wants in their area.

Better pay for it willingly than through taxes.

It should only cost a few cents per few kilometers.

You can make it, anon. Use everything that's happened to you to your advantage.

>>8758552
what others systems than tolls would you use. and who organizes this shit? seems like an inefficient mess you are describing

>It should only cost a few cents per few kilometers.
it would but you are increasing the costs through an independent toll system

>>8755335
Once you start making money, you realize our current government is bloated and due for a resizing.

Why should one group of population of people force the other group to pay for something they will never use or even care about? (ie highway in some bumfuck county, nigger's wealthfare etc)

Its sad we can't even overthrow the government like our forefathers did. Government is banning weapons left and right and making it harder to do it

>>8758274
> i'm definitely going to try to flee germany rather than pay >45% taxes

I have bad news for you. But hey, keep believing. Socialism is great, except it's not.

>>8755396
Lol America still taxes expats as long they're citizens

>>8758651
>and who organizes this shit?
The community who takes care of the roads.
They can all decide to pay a tax/subscription if they want to do that. Another community might just want a toll for an entry/usage.
Roads connecting the communities can also be paid by a toll and managed by an elected entity between the communities.

It can all be decentralized as well with blockchain tech with a payment system that scans a qr code with currency in it that is deducted.

Personally I think all taxes should end and the government should just print the money needed to pay for everything it does. It wouldn't actually be much different than the system we have now. Tax cuts and Jobs act + more spending and fed QE.

>>8758522
It is not that I say he deserved it and I know that borderline is far from easy to heal. I lost a good friend to this sickness (not dead, just disconnected).

Even worse, when kids fall through the social net. It still happens all the time. And it is heartbreaking, every single case.

But in Germany, the treatment is for free. And I saw many people fucked up way more than this guy. If he thinks he needs to leave the country, just because a bit of taxation, he should try to get help abroad and realize, that the "projecting psychologists" were actually doing their job.

>>8758552
>It should only cost a few cents per few kilometers.
Are you familiar with what is called the "Law of the 4th potence"?
The stress on the road increases proportionally to the fourth power of the axle load of the vehicle travelling on the road. A single truck causes about 15,000 (read: fifteen thousand) times the stress on a road than a single car. If we apply this on your example and assume $0.01 per kilometer, a truck would have to pay $150 per kilometer. $15,000 for 100km.
Congrats, you just killed the economy.

>>8758746
>the community
>elected entity
you mean local goverment.
>they can all decide to pay a tax/subscription if they want to do that.
and if you dont the local goverment will enfore the law you dont use the roads basically locking you in your own community. maybe add some fences so that nobody is stepping out of line and using the roads they shouldn't?

you just replace terms and scale the system down to make it sound grassroots

>>8756593
>the gubmint gave me free shit so I let them steal 60% of my income to pay niggers to rape my countrywomen

>>8758809
> If we apply this on your example and assume $0.01 per kilometer, a truck would have to pay $150 per kilometer. $15,000 for 100km.
Obviously The heavier vehicles pay a higher fee.
Whether that be the driver directly or the business owning them.

>you mean local goverment.
possibly, if the the community decides they want multiple people managing it.


>and if you dont the local goverment will enfore the law you dont use the roads basically locking you in your own community. maybe add some fences so that nobody is stepping out of line and using the roads they shouldn't?
That depends on how the community decides to enforce it.
If it's homogenous and everyone follows the moral law, people will pay.
If you don't use a vehicle on the road you don't need to pay.

>>8758893
>>8758835

>>8755335
good question. I'm not sure

>>8755335

Infrastructure, stability, defense and administrating resources on a national/international scale.

Anarcho-capitalism will never work beyond small communities/citiy states. It is really just a new label for what used to be called "feudalism".

>>8758802
but who'd accept money directly from the print? Only banks do... thats THEIR game.

>>8758893
>Obviously The heavier vehicles pay a higher fee.
Like I said: you just killed the economy of any first world country by making transportation of any goods completely unprofitable.

>>8755559
>Not hard when everyone is of the same cultural and racial background.

Yeah it worked out pretty well in china

How many times do you idiots need this explained to you.

Everything you listed, college, jobs, wealth. Relies on 'the government' to exist.

Most laws and regulations only exist to prevent people from fucking with other people's property.

And the taxes you barely cover a fraction of what it actually costs to administer your system of private property and standard of living.

Too many young idiots who can't even look after their own dick properly think they know better how to organise society than the collective wisdom of the government. Open your eyes ffs

>>8758893
>possibly, if the the community decides they want multiple people managing it.
>That depends on how the community decides to enforce it.
still all you do is scaling around and avoiding terms. it is a local goverment if it is one person or more.

>If it's homogenous and everyone follows the moral law, people will pay.
so you are trusting an honor system to secure something that is of the importance on the level of national security. try this in any city bigger than 1,000 people and see how you fail no matter how homogenous you wanna get.

>>8758990
>How many times do you idiots need this explained to you.

They are absorbed by a libertarian utopia, not aware that this utopia would be a modern interpretation of a feudalistic system.

>>8758990
this

babbys first ancap memes all this thread lmao

start being centrist and understand that for society to function you have to have opposing forces to balance left/right and authoritarian/liberal powers. anything too much is lethal

populism is cancer

>>8757353
great to still see some sanity in this dumbshit radical redneck website

>>8755559
for some reason this image really inspires me, thanks anon. Love it.

>>8758952
>Like I said: you just killed the economy of any first world country by making transportation of any goods completely unprofitable.
No I haven't
I'm sure that the taxes that they now don't have or is now so little will increase the amount of profit they get to keep.

>>8758963
"European" then.

>>8758995
>>8758995
>so you are trusting an honor system to secure something that is of the importance on the level of national security. try this in any city bigger than 1,000 people and see how you fail no matter how homogenous you wanna get.
Which is why communities have a 300 adult limit.

>>8758995
Well yea I guess you'd call it a "government".
But it'd be a small as possible with the community knowing the people who organise and manage parts of it personally.


>>8758990
>college, jobs, wealth.
College can be a privately funded institution.
You can work for yourself

>>8759070
sure thing

>>8758990
>the taxes you barely cover a fraction of what it actually costs to administer your system of private property and standard of living.
So nearly three-fifths of my income in income and VAT alone is only a fraction of the state's admimistarive costs? Guess the state is spending many times my income on administration, and doing this for the entire nation, and somehow magically having enough left to pay for welfare, immigration, defence, education etc.

Why are statists so absolutely economically illiterate?

>>8756593

everyone with a brain is trying to get out so they can actually make some money

>>8759049
>great to still see some sanity
Old /biz/ is not gone. It just prefers to sit out the storm of dumbfucks.

>>8759096
>I'm sure that the taxes that they now don't have or is now so little will increase the amount of profit they get to keep.

Are you able to present proof for this bold statement or do you pull this assumption out of your ass?

>>8759130
Tell me, how much taxes do businesses have to pay?
>Certain % for selling product/service
>Certain % for paying the employee
there's probably more I'm missing.

Owning the land for the business (depending if your in the US (land tax))

More taxes that they pay when purchasing other products from other businesses/entities.

>>8759096
>>8759096
>Which is why communities have a 300 adult limit.
now this is some serious 1984 shit right here.
who is enforcing a 300 max cap for communities. could it be an all powerful fuehrer who keeps people in groups of 300 in gated communities where they are finally free from the ebil goverment with their local gud goverment.

>Well yea I guess you'd call it a "government".
You dont need any guessing. It is. were you one of the occupy wall street shits or werent you old enough then.

>>8759109
>everyone with a brain is trying to get out so they can actually make some money

Enjoy less (or even no) employer protection, insane health insurance, less holidays, longer work... in the end, you often end up with the same amount of money AND you are fucked, if you get sick.

But yeah, feel free to go abroad. I can speak from experience, that the grass is not always greener on the other side - there is actually a valid reason why people want to come to Germany.

>>8759109
I actually want to get into germany and no, my name is not ahmed and yes, I am an educated specialist

>>8755559
> same cultural and racial background.
> USA

>>8756686
True, but you forgot the part where you earn 700-2000e / month.

>>8759172
>Tell me, how much taxes do businesses have to pay?

You made the statement.
You show me proof for it.

>>8755396
Nobody cares about your third world shithole

>>8756042
Queerbecer identified....actually the real French in GAY PARIS do not, will not call queerbecers french at all. They are a bastardized version, full of ungrateful degens that will not grow up, and mooch off the rest of the country like the immigrunts fucktards that our queercuck prime minister let in...fuck me running

you should try living in one of those nice low tax countries if you are not pleased with the situation. I think Nigeria is solid at the moment

>>8759363


>>8757049
*cough*

>>8756910
>>8759363
Liberland?

I'm just learning how based my Euro country is:

-Free college
-Free healthcare
-No tax on investments, since nobody gives a fuck and nobody knows how to invest anyway
-Country pays me to go to college, since it's prosperous country and I can also work as a student and get better pay than your regular worker (kind of sad desu)
-If you finish good college and aren't brainlet, you get good job immidiately since most of the people are lazy ordinary workers

I fucking love my country and would gladly sacrifice myself to defend every inch of it, if we ever had a war. Thanks to my grandfathers and fathers who did the same.

god dammit I'm getting sentimental thinking about how based our country is

I'm an European who lived in the US for a couple of years and the life of an average middle class American is way nicer than that of an average European.
>but muh healthcare
If you're not employed, private healthcare is available and not that expensive if you factor in the lower taxes and lower cost of living. Also hospitals in the US are top notch for the most part. There's are reason why rich people from all over the world come to the States for cancer treatments, etc.
>but muh free eduction
Well, turns out that college-for-everyone was a meme. Except for STEM and a few other fields, most college degrees are bird cage liner at best. If you're not bright enough to get a scholarship you shouldn't go to college in the first place. There are community colleges and trade schools that are cheap, which fill the gap.
>but muh public transportation
Europeans who have never been to the US, have no clue how fucking big the country is. Cars are much cheaper in the US than anywhere else and it's nicer to sit in your own car then being surrounded by smelly foreigners anyway.
>but muh vacation time
American culture is just different and being a workaholic is a badge of honor there. The US is the 3rd most productive country (GDP/hours worked) in the world after Norway (tiny population subsidized by oil) and Luxembourg (tiny population, tax haven). That's the price you have to pay if you want to have the richest and most powerful nation on earth. In German we say "von nix, kommt nix" (from nothing, comes nothing).
The more America is becoming like Europe (i.e. more socialized crap, too much regulation), the worse it's becoming.

taxes are the price you pay to not live in a shithole country

>>8760231
>Switzerland, Hong Kong, Singapore, UAE
>shithole countries

>>8760273

>hitler money

>ching chong money

>oil money

>>8760292
Switzerland’s economy is very diversified. Banking is just a small part.
UAE is not relying on oil that much anymore.
>Ching Chong money
You mean Laisser-faire free market capitalism?

>>8760014
So you spend more time at work to achieve what exactly?

>>8760273
Every single one of those countries have taxation you stupid fuck

>>8760331
The richest country on earth
Productivity = GDP PPP / hours worked

>>8760345
Yes but it’s very low and those are some of the richest nations on earth per capita.

Face it you cucked statists. The smaller the government and the more free the market, the better the people are doing.
Inb4 Somalia

>ungrateful millenial losers who think they're hard-core road warriors mad they have to contribute like everyone else

>>8760508
>contributing
>subsidizing Jamal, Shaniqua and Mohammed
What you tax, you get less of (productive people aka tax livestock) and what you subsidize you get more of. Recipe for a bright future isn’t it?

>>8760508
>Taxation as "contribution to the common fund" not theft to fund ZOG wars
found the piece of shit boomer

>>8760548
Ah Yes, because ALL the money goes to migrants, right you obsessed little faggots? Roads, security, health care, none of those exist. Certainly not in whatever shithole you come from if you think like you do. Go think about nigger cock some more, millenial piece of shit.

>>8760508
>contribute like everyone else
But not everyone actually contributes.

>>8755335
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1ln6yJ8E&index=6&list=LLhvSRH-CWqQHufsMKxWWIng&t=0s

>>8760574
>healthcare and roads
Could be easily picked up by the free market and done more effectively.
Look at the plastic surgery industry. Prices going down, quality and quantity of services going up.
Look at the airline industry. An economy class ticket used to cost as much as a first class ticket today.
>security
Security can also be supplemented with free market solutions. In South Africa people rely more on private armed security than on the police. If you get robbed and the police doesn’t show up on time you can do nothing. If a private security service doesn’t show up on time you can sue them or chose a better provider.
The free market is moving 10s of thousands of people out of poverty every week. It works better than anything else and the more we have of it, the better.

>>8760728
Yes, I'm sure private armies will solve everything and inflation isn't a thing. Gods, why are you underage faggots so damn short sighted? But Yes, let's become the paradise called south Africa. Clearly they've figured it out.
Kek, really shows what a third worlder you are if you hold SA as a model state.

>>8755436
To build a road, then to maintain it?
U do realize all highways are privatively own in america and the tolls are for profit and to fix the roads which allow us to move freely, create better transportation for business and create jobs in tool booths and road fixers

>>8760773
>strawman arguments
kathy griffin is that you?

>>8760773
>Yes, I'm sure private armies
You don't need an army when you can arm and train your family.

>waiting for the 1 hour response of the police to come and draw the lines around your body

>>8760800
>To build a road, then to maintain it?
yes.
except in the case I'm talking about there is no "for profit" for the roads.

>>8760800
>all highways are privatively own in america

>>8760728
>>healthcare and roads
>Could be easily picked up by the free market and done more effectively.


LMAO

good luck paying for healthcare individually retard

You will be happy if u manage to just fucking buy opiates for everything and thats about it

Very much great for the population

You have no idea what you are talking about

>>8755335
>Why haven't we killed them yet?

Because the vast, vast majority of people are grateful and/or tolerant of the government's influence in our daily lives.

They KNOW it's corrupt, they KNOW it's inefficient, but it's virtually impossible for a public educated mass to see any answers beyond this.

Big Daddy Government clothes you, feeds you, gives you a pension, welfare and funds your inane science projects, why would they let go of this?

It will continue getting worse until it collapses, due to bankruptcy - trying to explain fiat currency to a normie is like showing a dog a card trick.

>>8760994
You haven't provided any arguments to disprove him

Imagine trying to open a cheap, walk-in X-ray clinic today? It would be impossible with today's regulations and laws.

>>8760014
Where did you live? Anything off the coast is worse than Africa

>>8761021
Lemmings

>>8755335
Who would pay for roads?
Who would pay for our military?
I know for a fact that if I wasnt forced to then I wouldnt pay for any of that shit.
I would just have guns in my house but since there are no police I would be vulnerable to police gangs that force you to pay protection money or they set your house on fire.
My entire lifestyle is protected by our government even though I dont like it.

>>8758266
What does this have to do with germany.
You have a fucked up family, imagine this happening in a different country lol

>>8755335
or either you shut the fuck up and stop complaining or you leave the country and movet osome euro/southamerican country to live a shitty live.

>>8755362
All roads could be paid with a few cents of gasoline tax.

The rest of the tax is for:

* gibs for Jews
* gibs for politicians
* gibs for niggers
* gibs for marxists
* gibs, gibs, gibs

Furthermore, taxes prevent class mobility.

>>8755335
>>1 out of billion chance of winning the lottery
>>Get taxed 50%
That's you establish a tax free charity, so that you don't have to pay these taxes.

>>8761045
LOL

imagine curing cancer with modern methods, or maybe an alcohol related complications, or maybe the most costly, diabetes and its complications


pro tip: it costs more than thousand dollars per night

fucking Humira pen is thousands of dollars

>>8761142
Georgia, New York State and briefly in Virginia
There are indeed some shithole places in the US, but again it's big fucking country and most people who are willing to work and who are not stupid enough the get hooked on opiates can easily obtain a fairly nice lifestyle. The problem with Americans is that they cuck themselves with the "keeping up with the Joneses" crap. Buy a fancy car you can't afford, buy the latest flat screen TV, etc etc.

>>8761045
Because theres no private clinics, right you moron?
Oh wait there is! And they're far more expensive than public clinics! Truly a free market would ensure these clinics would be cheap!

>>8761252
>no government
>we will all agree to this tax rate
>no one to collect the tax
>no one to make sure that all gas companies are turning over the correct amount of money
>no one to decide which roads companies are supposed to fix
>no one to make sure construction companies are meeting deadlines

>>8760014
Great. A big pile of subjective nonsense, mixed in with actual mistakes.
Healthcare: you pay way more in the US than in Europe. Not only are you more likely to pay for it, it is also way more expensive.

Education: subjective nonsense, not considering two different educational systems. Ofc. most american colleges are retarded - they sometimes pose as an equivalent what you have in Germany (as you seem to know German: "Duale Ausbildung" should ring a bell), so they are quite likely to share lower standards anyways.

Transportation: nobody said anything about public transport - ofc it is harder in a large country.

Vacation time: measuring this in GDP/hours worked neglects price levels and does not factor in the actual purchasing power.

I give you a 3/10 for trying and using something resembling arguments, that would convince gullibles.

>>8761303
You ignored what I said to strawman me. I am talking about reducing regulations and laws to make medical much simpler, therefore more cost effective.

It would literally be illegal for some guy to open up a small shop that had an X-ray machine in the middle of it

all pro tax "arguments"
>anarcho capitalism is an oxymoron!!!!
>u shuld jus move 2 low tax cuntry xD
>freedom bad. please take our rights guvvy : D

>>8755816
>Almost like you would be forming a government.
Now you're getting it. Except this one acts in the interest of the people they govern... This is, you know, sort of the reason America exists in the first place.

>>8761252
>Furthermore, taxes prevent class mobility.

>>8761366
Ok son, why don't you head to those underground clinics and get a taste of "free market cheap services" shit you deludedly think is safe and good?

>>8761286
Why do you think it's ethically justifiable to tax me to pay for someones alcoholism or their diet-linked diabetes?

You're already giving me reasons why healthcare becomes so expensive, because it's bogged down in so many enforced rules and regulations.

>>8757353
But by the time it adjust itself new immigrants come in and the cycle repeats

>>8761366
>to make medical much simpler, therefore more cost effective.

You have a dichotomic point of view, which is inconsistent with reality

Not all regulations and laws are useless - you assume they are useless automatically.
Even less cost savings are given to the consumers - you assume this will be the case.

>>8755485
>there's no shadowy government
>shadowy government used agent provocateurs to disintegrate OWS into identity politics and used all of the main stream media to besmirch it to the averagefag
Pick one

>inheritance tax
literally the government denying someone's victimless last wish

>>8761392
Again you're strawmanning me

I'm not talking about underground services, I'm talking about open and freely available services.

Of course an underground service would be dodgy, because it's shady, hidden, and isn't open to be sued or liable.

>>8755335
Because most people are preoccupied with bullshit on Facebook and what useless features the next $1000 iPhone will have.

>>8761418
>Not all regulations and laws are useless

In which sentence did I say that all regulations and laws are useless?

Of course things need restrictions and quality controls, I'd just have the free market do it and not the government

>>8761449
Owners don't give a shit about your fee fees. They want money and will gladly join a cartel group to artificially inflate prices on necessary services. You're naive to even think anything else.

>>8761350
>healthcare
Reading comprehension is not your thing it seems. Read again what I wrote. Yes health insurance is more expensive but you also have much lower taxes and cost of living are lower which makes private health insurance affordable.
>Education
My point was a different one. College can be expensive in the US no doubt about that. What I'm arguing is that college is unnecessary for large portions of the population. The government pushed the college-for-everyone meme which led to the current situation.
>GDP/hours
In this post >>8760348 (different ID because I posted from my phone) I said GDP PPP. My quoted statistic is still valid. The US are the 3rd most productive country in the world.

>>8761410
>But by the time it adjust itself new immigrants come in and the cycle repeats

Yes, because after 2015, Germany took in another one million refugees
Wait...

>>8758963
China doesn't have the same racial, ethnic and cultural backgrounds contained within it dummy.

>>8761376
Only works in a local area and they have no way to enforce these rules.
They would need their own police force to risk their lives for security risks from other neighborhoods.
Also trade deals would be hard as fuck.
Corporations can easily put pressure on your community.

>>8761484
kek, you literally have no arguments, utter brainlet

>They want money and will gladly join a cartel group to artificially inflate prices on necessary services

>WHAT IS A GOVERNMENT

>>8760014
Funny, because Americans go to Cuba and Mexico for their health service needs. As expected of a retarded poor migrant.

>>8761501
>UM like how will we trade without the EU???
>pre-EU never existed and was the stone age basically

>>8761511
That thing you retards want destroyed so you can larp as free men of the land?

>>8761531
i'd rather larp as a free man than unironically support legal extortion (extortion that funds death, I might add) and suck the dick of old wrinkly men in the whitehouse

>>8761366
>I am talking about reducing regulations and laws to make medical much simpler, therefore more cost effective.
yes that would probably result in massive OD on heroin since its most cost effective treatment for everything

>>8761513
Germans go to Hungary to get their teeth fixed. What's your point?
Also Cuba was closed for American until recently. I doubt here is any significant medical tourism going on there.

>>8761556
Yes, because if society became what you wank to, nobody would extort you! Especially not those wealthy land owners who pays for the private arm... excuse me, "police" force who answer to him and only him.

>>8761583
That clearly this superior but cheap healthcare you talk about isn't so hot among Americans?

>>8755466
>weed
Has that even happened yet?

>>8761514
Im saying local trade deals.
If your local area doesnt produce electricity then you need a deal with a power plant to provide energy unless you dont want street lights or power lines or water systems.
Utilities require a lot of money to operate and you would be collective bargaining with a very small community that doesnt provide a lot of profit for these companies.
Its one thing when an entire state is paying for all utilities infrastructure but when a town of 100 lives miles away from the nearest water source it will be hard to negotiate.

>>8761596
Meant for
>>8761574

>>8761403
bcs they are also paying for your expenses and expenses for your family firstly, healthcare would be un-affordable to 95 percent of ppl without this

secondly, its in everyone's concern to have as healthy population as possible

thirdly, to answer your philosophical question, if you were able to save a life of your fellow man by donating some money, wouldn't you?

>>8761583
you realize what extortion is right? it's not extortion if it's voluntary. GTFO this board if you arent against taxes, blockchain was formed for libertarians by libertarians

>>8757097
>>8755362
Do you realize how big a portion of your taxes are actually directed towards shit like roads, or the military/police? Most of your tax money goes to welfare niggers that wake at up at 1 PM each day and get more than you would busting your ass off working in a minimum wage job.

>>8761626
I see now. You're the kind of cuck who wants the local elite to roll up his army on your door and kidnap your wife so you can masturbate to the thought he's raping her. It's "voluntary" after all. He says there's no laws stopping him since he is the law.

>>8761642
Not everyone here is a poorfag working at 711 paying 10$ out of his income in tax, nigger.

>>8755444
The problem is that most people don't understand how taxes work.

All you fucking strawman cucks, even the most radical ancaps acknowledge that the transition off the government teat needs to happen gradually. There are so many parasites addicted to a large government (not just welfare queens and immigrants, but also corporations, the military industrial complex and government employees) and quitting cold turkey is a bad idea.
I'm arguing that more free market and less government intervention leads to better outcomes for everyone, for which there is some solid evidence.
The current system, aka fractional reserve banking can mathematically not continue forever and it's better to start peeling off the band-aid slowly NOW. The alternative won't be pretty because then we will truly get the Mad Max Somalia scenarios.

>>8760773
He didn't say SA was a model society, dumbfuck. He was using the example of private police/security because their nigger government is so corrupt and useless.

>>8755485
Federal taxes really probably don't go to as many things you enjoy and need as you think. Most of them are wiped out just running through the bloated admin costs. Much of the rest goes to a massively bloated defense budget.

We pay more and more only to have public schools essentially create retards and college saddle working citizens with 6 figure debt just to get to the starting line of adult life.

Fed taxes need to be cut in half to allow States to raise taxes. They are much better suited to spend money in ways that help citizens. The fact that you won't even be able to deduct your state taxes from your federal this year should be a much bigger deal but everyone just wants to talk about racism, sexism, and "hurr durr, Donald Trump tweets a lot". We are literally fucked.

>>8761664
Holy fuck imagine being this mathematically illiterate.

>>8761689
>slowly working to ancap doesnt have these issues because its slow
Everyone is talking about once you reach the goal of no government.
If your goal isnt no government then you arent an actual ancap and instead are looking for a smaller government.
Your post hasnt said anything one way or the other.
You could keep our government and still fix the only problem you have mentioned.

>>8761689
>solid evidence
You mean those unsourced /pol/ charts?

>>8761470
>Of course things need restrictions and quality controls, I'd just have the free market do it and not the government

But the same free market led to the subprime crisis, which in turn ended in Dodd-Frank to prevent the exact same thing to happen again.

>>8761488
>Read again what I wrote. Yes health insurance is more expensive but you also have much lower taxes and cost of living are lower which makes private health insurance affordable.

My point was also not aimed at the insurance costs, but the personal contribution in case you actually get sick (more likely to pay for it) and way higher costs in the case itself (way more expensive).

>The government pushed the college-for-everyone meme which led to the current situation.
You still neglect, that colleges in the US serves more than just academical education (like it is in Germany) but pose also as a replacement for what other countries do with practical apprenticeships. Less division in between academical and vocational training.

>My quoted statistic is still valid. The US are the 3rd most productive country in the world.
I still may point to the non-comparability to Norway and Luxembourg due to other factors like e.g. the GINI coefficient (Luxembourg & Norway with around ~30; USA with ~45)?
Meaning, that the point you want to prove with a valid statistic cannot be authenticated by the statistic, if you want to refer to "von nix kommt nix".

>>8755335
What a pessimistic worldview. There are still ways to be financially successful. People do it all the time.

>muh taxes
Capitalism can't function in a vacuum. It can only exist in the context of a society ruled by a government that protects/enforces your property rights and has reasonable criminal justice. Your taxes fund that government. Now you can argue that they overspend, and spend those taxes on things they shouldn't, and I would agree with you. But bottom line is that you still need to pay taxes to have that government to enforce your basic property rights so that you can enjoy capitalism.

Be grateful if you live in a non-socialist or non-communist nation. And be especially grateful if you don't live in a third-world shithole. You have it easy. Anyone with reasonable intelligence and enough motivation can make it. Just don't be lazy.

>>8755335

>government takes huge chunk of my capital gains

Bitch it's less than income taxes.

>>8761749
Fair enough, but it would be a vastly smaller government because it can't be propped up with phony fiat currency.
The problem with the no government vs small government argument becomes a semantic one at some point. Even in some ancap scenarios, small communities would be forming which would have their own rules. These rules and their enforcement, by definition become a form of governance.
That's why I avoid arguing against government. Instead I argue for property rights and I argue against forced redistribution.

>>8755335
>abolish government
>those that still want a government form their own in their own image
>skyrim style thieves guild pops up
>they control enough resources to pick off small towns and spread
>snipe towns for days until they either burn all their supplies or die
>more and more towns need to invest in defenses or pay tolls to thieves guild
>thieves guild cuts off power and water to your town and cut off supplies
Seriously the mafia would come back strong as fuck if we got rid of the government.

The only thing government should pay for are helicopter rides for commies desu

>>8761875
Or we could build the helicopters like they do in africa out of plywood and roll them down a slide off a cliff.
Much cheaper

>>8761787
>insurance
If someone gets sick and that person doesn't have a family to take care of them, doesn't have any savings, doesn't belong to a religious group which could help them out and they didn't bother to get health insurance while they were healthy, they deserve to die. There I said it. Some people are brainlets and it's not anybody's responsibility to save them. It's the old ant and the grasshopper story.
>college
Ok fair enough, I should have said university. There are still community colleges and trade schools. My point still stands.
>statistic
I don't understand how the GINI coefficient plays into this. Enlighten me. My point was that the US are the most productive country in the world if you exclude small oddball countries like Norway and Luxembourg.

Tax his land, tax his wage,
Tax his bed in which he lays.
Tax his tractor, tax his mule,
Teach him taxes are the rule.

Tax his cow, tax his goat,
Tax his pants, tax his coat.
Tax his ties, tax his shirts,
Tax his work, tax his dirt.

Tax his chew, tax his smoke,
Teach him taxes are no joke.
Tax his car, tax his grass,
Tax the roads and tax his ass.

Tax his food, tax his drink,
Tax him if he tries to think.
Tax his sodas, tax his beers,
If he cries, tax his tears.

Tax his bills, tax his gas
Tax his notes, tax his cash.
Tax him good and let him know
That after taxes, he has no dough.

If he hollers, tax him more,
Tax him until he’s good and sore.
Tax his coffin, tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he lays.

Put these words upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove me to my doom!"
And when he’s gone, we won’t relax,
We’ll still be after the inheritance tax!

>>8756042
BASED SASKATCHEWAN RESIDENT COMING THROUGH
FUCK QUEBEC AND ITS SHIT PEOPLE.
WHEN THE IMMIGRANTS TAKE OVER YOUR LAND, THE WHITES AND THE REDS WILL COME THROUGH AND RUIN THEM, TAKING BACK WHAT WAS OURS.
LONG LIVE CANADA. LONG LIVE WHITE PRIDE. LONG LIVE RED PRIDE.

>people think occupy wall street was anything but retarded whiny leftists at any point
A horse of regards who demand the government fix the problems created by the government

Lmao

>>8755335
Because they pay the welfare of cucks like you larping about being rich

One of the larger problems is the amendment to directly elect senators

This turned us from a balanced republic into a lowest common denominator democracy, with the added bonus of eventually destroying federalism as well

Amending the constitution ever was a mistake

>>8755641
Sometime after the markets get over $1 trillion market cap combined, and they have enough liquidity to be officially bought up in various nation state foreign currency reserves.
There's no other way to go than cryptographic money with self-enforcing property rights. Anyone who says otherwise is ignoring technological advancement and history.

>>8761852
>describes the way government is currently
Always happens when people try to decry anarchy

>>8762092
>currently
>you have to worry about fighting entire gangs every day
Thats a city problem.
No one can get organized enough to ransack towns without the government bearing down on them.
Read a history book. Its usually the militia who solves huge problems and ancap would prevent these militia from forming or traveling efficiently.

>>8761620

>>8762166
>you have to worry about fighting entire gangs
No. Because in your example, you're paying them off. Just like you do with the government

I doubt you've ever run anything close to a business, because you do in fact worry about the government coming and destroying your livelihood every single day

The federal government taking over towns and land is also a real concern that's already happened. Local law enforcement don't give a fuck about their communities anymore because of federal funding

>read a book
Lmao. How about you read a fucking book your stupid nigger

>>8762166
>ancap would prevent these militia from forming or traveling efficiently.
Hmm I don't know.
Doesn't seem that hard for me to drive down or call all the families that are capable of using firearms to meet at one location for a briefing.

Church seems like a good place to organise.

>>8762218
The government is a gang because they collect taxes.
Lol nice argument.
The electric company is also a gang because if I dont pay my electric bill they shut off my power.
My landlord is also a gang because if I dont pay my rent he kicks me out of my apartment.
You use their services so you pay their fees.
Move to another country if you dont want to pay taxes.

>>8761964
>If x happens, they deserve to die.
That has nothing to do with dying or saving brainlets.
The point is, that you think that insurance costs is all there is in this discussion. But the insurances do not cover all treatments, require you to pay a percentage or fixed amount per treatment etc. - and as the costs of these treatments are higher in the first place, you can end up with way higher costs for health as an individual.
If you stay healthy: fine, you have more money.
If you get sick: you are fucked to a higher degree, as your insurance may not cover the costs in a manner that makes you able to handle it.

>college
We will end up with Charles Murray anyways, so lets drop this point, as this was debated by people smarter than you and I in the last ten years.

>statistic
You suggested, that the US is in the end among the most productive per capita after Norway and Luxembourg, while neglecting that said productivity in the US is way more centralized than in Norway and Luxembourg. But the idea from "Von nix kommt nix", that performance dictates outcome and merits (performance concept) can only hold true in countries where this is less centralized, meaning painting the image of "the US is rich, because they know how to work and everyone can make it, if they just work hard enough" and proclaiming a high social mobility is not possible.

>>8755335
is it really that bad in Finland?

>>8762273
You don't even have entry level arguments against anarcho capitalism.

Their first argument is a distinction between agreements and compelled action a la the NAP

Lurk more you fucking newfag

>>8761158
HERE LOOK AT MY SUPERIOR COMIC

>>8762317
>agreements
You have the right to vote and you have the right to move.
If you move then they dont get your business or your taxes.
You can choose to bitch and whine about your entitlements all you want.

>>8762389
That isn't a counter to anything I've said

>The majority voting to genocide the minority is an agreement because the minority also voted
Lmao
>you can leave
1. To where?
2. How is this in any way a counter to what I've said?

>>8762317

>agreements

lol I don't agree that the utility company should own the electricity. If I try to take it I'm going to get shot or go to jail, so I have to "agree" to work for some similar company, which is then used in a circular argument to say "see, this is a non-coercive agreement".

>>8762466
>should own the electricity

>>8762368
But that comic is false.
Because most people don't think like that.

>>8755515
it does when you live in a white country

>>8762466
>things not being free means you're violently coerced to work
Lmao

>>8762466
You know you don't have to pay the utility company to sell you electricity.

You can generate your own.
Same with water and sewerage.
It can all be localized.

"taxation" on the other hand.

>statists literally don't understand the moral and logical distinction between entitlement to something and entitlement from something being done to you
We got a bunch of bern outs in here

>>8762508
>>8762494

not an argument.

>>8762510

Sure, but I could also take electricity. The only thing stopping me is the police. The option to build a power plant doesn't negate that I'm being deprived of the ability to take electricity, and that my deprivation of these things by force unless I work for the people who own them is then used in a circular argument to say that I agreed to work for them.

>>8762563
>Sure, but I could also take electricity.
If you're immoral, have no shame and are a nigger.
>The only thing stopping me is the police.
No not only them, but if they weren't there then the owners of the business, their family, the workers and any other community members would punish you.

>>8762606

>If you're immoral, have no shame and are a nigger.

lol not an argument

>No not only them, but if they weren't there then the owners of the business, their family, the workers and any other community members would punish you.

Sure, but that is still force perpetuating the supposedly non-coercive system of property rights. And to be totally clear, I'm not arguing that we should all be able to take each other's shit. I just think ancaps are brainlets.

>>8762628
I'm not an ancap, I'm for a system that is a small as possible with a self enforced system by a group of people.

But I like to say I'm an anarcho fascist for the memery.

>>8762563
There's an implied argument you fucking brainlet
>should own the electricity
This is pointing out how fucking bottomlessly stupid you are for thinking people have some sort of ownership over electricity subject to the tragedy of the commons
>things not being free means you're forced to work
You never stated an argument here, you just made a comparison as if it were true without any grounding

Calling it a circular argument is especially idiotic when you've equated outsourcing sustaining your own life to violent coercion.

>>8762628
>if force is involved in any way it violates the NAP
>ancaps are the brainlets

>>8762495
>Implying

>>8755335
>Finish college subsidized heavily by government
>Have to pay for that

>Start job made possible through governmental infrastructure and strong legal systems to allow such jobs to be made
>Have to pay for that

REEE GIB ME FREE SHIT

>>8762495
It's probably true in a way not portrayed honestly in the comic

I'm sure people all have their priorities and beliefs and all think everyone else is wrong and walking around like retards

Think of the dichotomy between atheists thinking Christians are wasting their lives and Christians thinking non believers are wasting their time on earth and going to hell, or whatever

Where the comic goes wrong in my opinion is the assertion that people think long and hard about the deeper issues. I both think not everyone is capable of doing so, and among the people that are, few care to do so, and increasingly so. People are outsourcing to others what to think and believe, which isn't necessarily bad, but they likely go wrong in not questioning things enough due to comfort

>>8762817
>muh roads argument
All the infrastructure, roads, schools, government services and even welfare and military fall under 40% of the US federal budget
So this implies that we could cut taxes across the board by over HALF if we got rid of 'welfare for old folks' and unfucked the medical industry so we wouldn't need M/M

>>8762817
>college
>unironically extolling the virtues of modern university
Lel
>made possible through government infrastructure
More blinded by the present tense idiocy
>strong legal systems
Arbitration has already proven more effective than the rot that is our modern legal system

>>8756731
To be honest, it's working in every wealthy nation. Just because you don't like taxes doesn't mean the system is broken

>>8762934
But your argument here is 'Kantianly' wrong because you're pretending essentially to be 'one of the special ones' which according to your own theory, is probabalistically not true

>>8762815
> >implying

>>8762981
>progress has stagnated in every industry except computers, which by the way remain unregulated. Government looking to start regulating them soon
>wages stagnating
>governments universally are in favor of restrictions to speech and favorable to things like immigration
What what you consider to be working? To me it's more than not being a failed state.
Go watch a few Peter thiel blackpill videos and you'll change your mind

>>8763007
you know if people weren't so fucking shallow and stingy with their mental effort, America would not be in its current state

Why don't you anarchist larpers just move into the woods or go to Somalia? Clearly you have it all figured out, shouldn't be any problems then.

>>8755466
But medi al isn't free at all unless you are on poor. If you make any decent amount of money it is payed for by taxation and medical service premiums to the province. And that only covers hospital and doctor visits. Dental, drug, eye coverage is still payed out of pocket or by a third party insurance like blue cross and that is still only a percentage. 60%, 80%, $250 in my case and that is a taxable benifit through work. As are my provincial medical premiums. Even then some things are not covered at all. I just finished my 3 doses of twinrex and that was not covered at all. And if you go to the hospital for a work related injury you better hope wcb decided to cover it otherwise the local health authority sends you a bill, even though it would normally be coverd by msp, because its work related its on you if wcb decideds to be cunts.

>>8755466
>free weed in exchange for no economic mobility
Honestly not a bad deal.

>>8762974
Please show your 4+ peer reviewed studies showing that the corporate and financial legal system is significantly less effective at protecting investor wealth than arbitage. Wanna give them a read.

>>8763007
>according to your own theory
No, per my theory it's true or false via context

A commie sitting on the bus thinking everyone is stupid for not pondering thoughts of violent execution of rich people and a bigger pondering deep thoughts of how whitey is keeping him down would be equal in terms of "thinking deep thoughts", but obviously not particularly intelligent

Its false in the sense that each individual has their own set of beliefs that they subscribe to and think deep thoughts about. Its true in the sense that a small portion of the population is intelligent enough to consider the higher philosophical questions and cricitisms, and an even smaller portion of those people care to do so

And I'm not professing to be one of the special ones

>>8755466
>>$175k for college
What college did you get suckered into? I paid like 30k max for my stem degree and made most of it back by working with profs through the summers.

>>8763045
True, but shallowness and stupidity go on a linear scale, people are doing smarter jobs and needing to be smarter to survive now than they did 200 years ago, if by a small amount
So people now are comfortable enough in their lifestyles that they CAN think about such higher causes

Truthfully though the real problem is that we don't have enough data nor a working theory to solve most social flaws, because humans are like the weather, a giant interbound system that reacts to itself
And so certain people think they're really really right, but don't have that much data to back it up, so others disagree

>>8763109
>peer reviewed
Already failed brainlet. The peer review process is a fucking joke at this point
>showing that the corporate and financial legal system is significantly less effective at protecting investor wealth
Why limit it to investor wealth? That's odd.

And its facially more efficient and has more uptake by corporations over the traditional legal system because the traditional one is so incredibly expensive now

If you were an attorney or were close to the field (and not a rabid labour leftist), you would know there is no argument against arbitrage being better in efficiency. The arguments are over whether they are fair to plebs, leftist delusions of bought and paid for arbitrations, and whether they are in fact legal in our current system

>finally get a decent $60k burgers job
>time for hobbies is basically an hour per day
How do you faggots do it?

>>8763201
>Peer review process is fucked
It's the best we currently have
Better than stabbing in the dark with whut feelz rite

>>8763170
>comfort is leading to thinking about higher causes
Debatable

>>8755335
It's all the fucking kikes. We need another Hitler to either eliminate them or put them in their place.

>>8755335
>Have government
>Drive on roads
>Send kids to schools for free
>Get protection from the police and the military

>>8763245
>its better than a stab in the dark
It's not, it's possible that it's worse than a stab in the dark, because a stab in the dark is unbiased 50-50, where as research today is influenced by all sorts of stupid shit and the peer review process serves as a glorified reddit upvote system

>>8763251
You're sitting here replying to me on a computer (unless you're a dirty phoneposter) and so are thousands of others right now
Thus you have time to think about whatever you want, right now, regardless of whether you do or not

>>8763277
>have government
Okay for government that serves the opposite of my interests. Pay for others to have government instead. Elites wholly immune from laws the government ruthlessly uses against me
>drive on roads
Shitty overpriced roads the private sector could do better
>send kids to school for free
Send kids to a lord of the flies environment to be brainwashed by some of the most leftist people in society, mostly fat feminists and disproportionately affected by modern social programs like AA. Research shows that schooling all the way up through university have virtually no significant effect on life
>protection by the police
Local police use you as a double tax esque source if funding, protecting you against problems the government largely created to begin with. Getting increasingly Orwellian.

The military is the one thing I will agree on, but is perhaps one of the worst examples of not being a current drain on society

>>8755335
Don't forget this one:
>Want to buy a house
>Can't because the government has used your tax money to keep prices propped up and out of your reach

>>8763288
Then how does technology get better, Anon?
Arguing these are soft sciences and a joke is one thing, but you can't possibly expect leaving a choice to random chance or your muh feels and experience to be better than the work of people who have actually looked into the data, even a little bit

>>8763209
I don't. I go hard into a career for 2 years working 12 hour shifts back to back like I got 6 feeds to feed and then I quit and take a year+ of time off with saved up money.

>>8763323
What percent of the population in the United states, let alone the world, have an honest (relatively) debate about the anarcho capitalism

You could be easier and just guess how many people are even aware of the positions ancaps hold. I'm sure less than 1% actually understand the arguments and that's being generous considering the shitshow in this thread

>>8762731

>Calling it a circular argument is especially idiotic when you've equated outsourcing sustaining your own life to violent coercion.

Gibberish. I see a house and I decide to go sleep in it. Somebody attacks me at the entrance or they call some men to carry me away. You say that isn't violent coercion, I only had the intention of sleeping in the house. I could just as easily have the intention of eating and see some piece of food at a grocery store as though it were an apple that fell from a tree, and take it to go eat. Somebody stops me and takes it back from me through force. Deciding who has the "right" to apply force here is baseless in reality. It's somebody feeling entitled in some ideological way to the "ownership" of an object.

>>8762762

so you agree that it's just a subjective moral system and saying something like "taxation is theft" or whatever has no basis in reality, but is a belief that nobody has to give a shit about? Ancaps are constantly arguing with people online as though they can prove through argument that their preferences are somehow undeniable. that is what makes them aggravating.

>>8763255
It's actually kinda funny, right?
The majority of users on /pol/ and /biz/ (As well as the majority of ancaps) are people living mostly with their parents getting fucked over by big companies. The jews are to blame, right?

So who's responsible for (Bad Action)? Some guy in the company, right? But he's just following his directives and doing what he's contracted to do. So the bad guy has to be his boss.

And that boss is just taking orders from upper management, so they're the jews, right?

But upper management are just doing what the CEO says, so it's the CEO that's the jew, right?

But he doesn't own the company, and it's a crime to not pursue as much profit as possible. He has to answer to the Shareholders.

So the shareholders are the jews, right?

But few of them personally own the share in the business. Most of the people are going to be fund managers who look after money and invest it for their clients because the clients demand the most money.

So it's the clients that are jews, right? So who are the clients? Well, they're the people invested in the funds, and the vast majority of them are going to just be pensioners investing through an IFA.

And then these pensioners have kids in their basements ranting about jews while they live in a house partially maintained by the company they're complaining about, unaware that they too are the jews.

Our capitalistic engine is great. The world's going to shit because everyone is greedy and there's nobody to blame.

>>8763407
>I GOT 6 FEEDS TO FEED MAN!

What is the Ancap answer to the mass migration problem? Or are they all subversive jews that don't care about culture?

>>8763404
How much do you make in those two years?

>>8763404
Why is it a requirement that even 5% of research needs to be credible or right for technology to advance?

I'd imagine it's not far off that research targeted toward tech development and peer reviewed positively is ridiculously low

>appeal to authority
You've never talked with PhDs on their level if you think that way. Just like anybody else the majority are fucking retards

>>8763449
You know what I mean. 6 SNEEDS TO FEED.

Also many of the issues are just due to overpopulation. I've always wanted to be a commercial pilot, not airline, heck not even fixed wing. Ideal would be helicopter border patrol or pipeline patrol or EMT or fire fighting, whatever, but the truth is besides EMT they get paid dirt and you need to invest far more than a degree to even get a chance. Jobs are rare as fuck.

>>8763449

>he doesn't feed his feed to stack the 15% eating buff

Fucking noob learn to play

>>8763501
I'm not appealing to authority but you just haven't shown a better way

>>8763475
Think you linked the wrong post but you make an "okay" amount. Don't expect amazing cars, big house or anything like that but you can travel comfortably. One obvious drawback is that because you quit after 2 years you never go further into that career, getting the higher paying jobs. That said I live alone, don't really have any debts, cook my own food so I don't spend $100 a week on restaurants.

>>8755335

all libertarians think they'd do so well in a more anarchic world. it s funny really.

imagine a group of ancaps dealing with a cartel

>>8763435
>I took somebody's food from them
>I didn't have the intention of stealing it, therefore they can't defend their property without it violating the NAP
Retard
>its baseless in reality
Except we currently do decide who has the right to apply force
>its somebody feeling entitled in an ideological way
>because morality is a social construct its meaningless and should be abandoned
Retard

>so you agree its subjective
No, ancaps consistently argue its contextual, not subjective. You're just a newfag who hasn't read any of this before.

And then you're stupid enough to equate the current way things work with the notion of reality. Does slavery have no basis in reality because nobody wants to enforce it anymore? Does space travel to Mars have no basis in reality because we haven't done it yet?

The mark of an idiot is somebody so stupid they cannot think beyond their current circumstance whatsoever, a slave to the place in time they find themselves in

What's aggravating is arguing with somebody who is still stuck in teenage nihilism and hasn't been here a month off of reddit and thinks their retarded argument hasn't been addressed before

Your bit about undeniable preference shows what a fucking newfag you are

>>8763439
>capitalistic engine
lel
you know who pumps n dumps the whole economy right? you do know the fed exists??? you know they use funny money right? you know they make money out of nothing and the (((federal gubmint))) takes out loans of this funny money in your name from them at interest right? you know your taxes goes to paying that interest right? you know you can never pay it off because they'll keep taking more loans out in your name right? you know there literally aren't enough dollars to pay it back since the loan is with positive interest right?????

>>8763543
I'm not shilling a better way, I'm denying the peer review process is reliable enough especially in politically charged fields, to be cited as authority. There doesn't even need to be an alternative or a need to use it either. I liken it to rotten tomatoes, where the reviews are likely stupid, but if something gets an incredibly good score, it's probably not terrible, and if something gets an incredibly bad score, its likely not good, but I don't rely on it

how does ancap memers even deal with foreign armies

If it weren't for taxes supporting my country's health care system, I'd be dead. And my mother would be dead.

I pay my taxes without a second fucking thought.

>>8763684
Fair enough

>>8763687
It's the oneish reason I'm not an ancap, but in theory you tie up the economies together enough and it's not a problem

>>8763694
What country are you in?
The medical industry is pumped up in the US by reliance on insurance and by government subsidies, so it wouldn't be so expensive otherwise

>go on /biz/
>there's a tranny dick and some faggot whining about jews
Great board you reddit normies turned this into

>>8763723
Canada. I'd be dead three times over if it was the states. Your main problem in the US was the unions not wanting to lose 'medical benefits' as something they could offer workers, so they fought against single payer.

I'm normally pro-union but that shit's just awful.

>>8763745
How are either of those things normal? Those are what make this place not normal, you normalfaggot.

All u free market anons, take a look at crypto
Free market, free of most regulations, impossible to tax (if u r not a brainlet).
Manipulated by juice into crazy pnd on daily basis, ponzi schemes, scam projects all over the place. Your freedom looks ugly

>>8756432
I love how struggled to think of reasons that you pay such high taxes. The only things you listed that the US doesn't have are "free" healthcare and "free" university. The reason you're taxed so much higher is because of your massive welfare state.

>>8763694
You wouldn't be dead. You would be in debt

And the debt would be variable around the lack of taxation

And other people are subsidizing you, the very issue of free riding and rent seeking

Somebody benefitting off of welfare has more to say about it than somebody who'd taxes consist of only a fraction going toward the welfare. Therefore you never lose welfare and always add more until its unsustainable and the system collapses.

>>8763771
You're on the equivalent for forums/speech

Crypto is great and a great allegory for why a lack of regulation is good. For all the bad shit, the retards are losing money and society at large is gaining and stands to benefit enormously off of blockchain technology

Leftists also ignore time when they analyze problems. They see and issue and don't care if it gets solved or mitigated by itself in the future. "If there is a problem whatsoever, injustice has been done and it can never happen again, regardless of the unintended consequences and inefficiencies"

>>8763862
>Crypto is great and a great allegory for why a lack of regulation is good.
Ironic how it's also destroying the environment.

stupid fed fucking world economy by abandoning gold standard making corps invincible and all the shit sucks go fuck your self return to the gold standard.

>>8755335
60% of your tax bill goes to social security, medicare, military, and interest repayment. So for a middle class income that mean you pay around 4,000 a year for everything else the government tries to provide. How poor can you be that 4k changes your life? I have to laugh at people who complain about taxes because I think, how long would I listen to a person who lost 4k trading stocks or crypto. And the answer would be less than 10 mineutes; it is not an issue I need to hear repeated everytime someone talks about the government.

>>8763862
>the retards are losing money
> I consider them worse than me, so they deserve to suffer
This is some fucked up mindset you have.
Dumb ppl don't die out. There will always be cunning fags and not so bright fucks to become their prey. Sure, if you establish an outflux of morons, you'll end up with 5D hyperspace chess instead of discord pnd groups, but still unregulated means manipulation.

> blockchain technology
Blockchain != Tradeable tokens
Almost nobody cares if blockchain is truly needed or how it works. They all are in here for the gains.
All the ppl that care are actually developing their own projects and are no trading.

> solved or mitigated by itself in the future
I see only positive feedback here: the ones that have more money in crypto get to manipulate small fry into giving them even more money. The big sum advantage is enormous in crypto. There is no way this issue gets solved on its own.

>>8763952
Yea, insofar as all technology is harmful to the environment

You mean degree, and sure using electricity is "worse", but it will long term save on efficiency from eliminating things like checking systems, but also advances in electricity production.

>>8764025
>so they deserve to suffer
You reap what you sow. It's a speculative asset and everybody knows how volatile it is. You missed my point anyway, like I alluded to in the last bit of my post that you weep for the few and end up regulating to death the many.
>unregulated still means manipulated
I don't really care, it's a net benefit and in any event I'm not personally being harmed
>blockchain=! Teadeable tokens
I'm well aware of that, but how is it you think the market picks the successful projects in the early days? It's the same case for any market. Including countries, businesses, internet, labor, etc.

>all the people that care are developing
Developing takes money lmao. Is everyone who cares doing it for free? No, they're getting venture capital from crypto shitcoin speculators

>the big sum advantage never gets solved
Why does it need to be solved? I hope you're aware the big sum advantage has literally always existed, I hope you just kneejerked that response without using your noodle.

>>8764149
>you weep for the few and end up regulating to death the many
Not that many ppl are smart or rich enough to manage their fund efficiently.
And being smart in this market implies manipulation, shilling and dumping.

> the market picks the successful projects in the early days?
The trading market shouldn't touch these projects in early days.
An industrial blockchain creation toolkit could be really popular and sell well,despite being untradeable.

> they're getting venture capital from crypto shitcoin speculators
Which is wrong, cos these ppl you imply are giving the money have little expertise in the field. They have no idea what they are doing.

> Why does it need to be solved?
Cos positive feedbacks are bad.
Govmt is the only entity that can restrain the capitalistic eternal lust for money. Without it we're getting a system that has money as its end game.
This reduces humans to wallets you want to see empty, destroys communities and all the other bad things.

>>8764328
>not many people are smart
And they would lose their money anyway, intelligence is strongly correlated with wealth

>they shouldn't touch these projects
Why, the incoming capital is massive and serves to boost all projects enormously, including the shit ones

>which is wrong
Once again you don't include time as a factor. The free market will sort it out like is has every other speculative asset that people thre money at

>money as its endgame
I'm not talking to somebody who thinks resource acquisition as a motivator is inherently bad. Fucking kill yourself retard, don't bother replying

>>8764479
>And they would lose their money anyway
Not if you take it from them

> intelligence is strongly correlated with wealth
Which lets you think you deserve having more than others, no matter how you got your wealth.

> The free market will sort it out
Nope
Free markets have never sorted anything out. If anything, time brings the inevitable collapse closer, which leads to govmt regulation.
Markets are not intrinsically opposed to govmts. If anything, govmts have always been working towards creating new stable markets.

> resource acquisition
Money is not a resource. It was originaly a means to account for commercial relations and to stimulate trade.
Any money is intrinsically worthless. It is still just an economical unit, but greedy and short-sighted traders and bankers seem to forget that.


You think taxes are bad, but if not for taxes so many ppl would have absolutely no incentive to trade or work for money. When you don't need to pay taxes, you don't need wageslaving. Go grow your food, make your own entertainments, give your neighbours occasional ious. This is the death of capitalism and markets.
Of course, you could alwways use violence to make ppl do what you want and not taxes, but I am not sure that is a superior solution.

>>8764937
>Of course, you could alwways use violence to make ppl do what you want and not taxes, but I am not sure that is a superior solution.

No one would do that.
I also would kindly ask you to stop hitting my head with a stick.

>>8765190
Ye?
So, how do you makee that farmer sell you 200 tons of wheat if he disagrees with your politics and doesn't want to support your army?

>>8765340
It was irony, pal.

>>8755816
Posse justice
GIT EM BOIZ

>>8765397
Sorry, couldn't see that.

My whole point is ppl are intrinsically rotten and short-sighted. Letting them operate freely in any environment is bad for humanity. Govmt gives a hope to reduce our self-destructive tendencies and the price it takes for that is not that big of a deal.

>>8755491
Those "french speaking faggots" have access to free healthcare and education.
>>8759338
If you pay less taxes in Australia, how is it a more of a shithole than the US?

>>8765635
>Sorry, couldn't see that.
No offense taken, sir.

>>8763040
Yeah nothing you just said is true. Tons of non tech companies are crushing it. Retail is suffering but that's it. You're a classic economically illiterate person who thinks that everything is going to shit no matter where it's going

>>8755341
sharia law....perfect alternative

>>8758266

Yeah, that is the Germany I know. One of the most fucked up and anti-social societies on this planet.