/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>8702118
>china places tarries on food imports from the U.S.
Was it autism? They can't even feed their own middle-class, yet they want to engage in a trade war. Their entire country relies on trade. lol

The sooner people realise China cannot be trusted the better

The sooner people realize America can't be trusted the better

The sooner people realize /biz/ can't be trusted the better

The sooner people realise plush pepe can't be trusted the better

The sooner people realise insert something ironic here can't be trusted the better

>>8702159
>B-B-BUT YOU NEEEEEEED MEEEEEE
>americans

>>8702159
It hilarious retaliation. Chine basically has to do /something/ they choose bear minimum. If Obama was prez China would enforce mandatory sodomy tariff.

It was just funny news trying desperately for paint China tariffs as Trump loss.

>>8702161
>>8702178
What did shill bots mean for this?¿

Yeah. Heh heh. It's the reversal.

>live in Singapore
>Asians walk slow as fuck
Fuck china they can die

>>8702312
why are asians so angry??

>yfw Trump is an accidental paper millionaire while Xi is the real deal (and most powerful man in the world)

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcRD6Aj8FdE

>>8702293
does pepe plush actually have a penis?

>>8702352
As far as 4chan /biz/raeli intelligence tells us: yes.

>>8702352
yes but even when I rub it for hours nothing comes out

>>8702347
>chinese billionaire
>actually earning money with enginuity, buisness savvy, and a good project.
Pick one

>>8702423
china no doubt has huge influence but what if 2018 is the year of each country creating its own crypto backed by usd ect is it just going to be invisible money for govts?

>>8702267
Umm... sweetie. Trade with the U.S. is the main factor behind Chinese economic growth. Their entire "one belt one road" plan is just trading even more. Ending trade with China would cause a boom in American domestic production. Ending trade with the United States would cause a total collapse of the Chinese economy. It's a fight they have no chance of winning. That's why they're doing the minimum they possibly can. What's funny is that the American media is actually siding with China like the international jews they are.

>>8702514
china likes to "have talks" with russia when U.S. gets pushy

>>8702514
you realize that manufacturing in the us would cause a price boom in consumer goods? are you gonna pay 3k for your next iphone?

>>8702514
>boom in American domestic production
it's going to take 10 years just to rebuild the facilities that were taken down in the last 50 years

>>8702514
Yeah there would be such a big boom in production when all of our supply chains have to be completely redone due to expensive chinese precursors fucking our profits. Go neck yourself, sweetie.

>>8702352
Yes he does and I play with it every night while I fall asleep

>>8702584
Factor in not having to engage in transcontinental shipping.

>>8703308
Unless you're talking about things sent via express air freight, bulk shipping is dirt cheap. Saving the shipping isn't going to save your economy.

>>8702159
>The absolute state of amerimutts
>Unironically believing a communist dictatorship won't starve a couple million citizens if it means the end of their enemies
ultra instinct shiggy

>>8703447
>the end of their enemies
If by "the end of their enemies" you mean their former most preferred trade partner getting increased wages and more jobs then sure.

>>8702118
affect

>>8703278
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>>8702185
Mom?

>>8702514
So this is what /pol/tards with zero business experience thinks.

I will seriously never understand how Americans can get so confused over effect vs affect. My native language isn't even English and I have no trouble with it, but for them it's lexical kriptonyte.

>>8703966
Checked. Seems to be.

>>8704025
I think most of them don't know it's two different words

>>8702584
First of all I don't buy new i-phones like you reddit fags do. Also the increased prices will be off-set by increased wages.

>>8704176
>The delusion and ignorance
Your country is in heavy debt, mutt. There is no starting capital except for the billions that will be printed. The kind of shift you're suggesting takes heavy investment and decades to pay off. It's the equivalent of financing a house while still in college

>>8702178
lel do you actually trust the chinese though? whatever you think of the US we're the lesser of two evils by far.

the chinese are buying off everything and everyone and when you fully sell your soul to the chinks they call the shots. which is dangerous because they're literally anti human.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-cracks-down-on-human-flesh-capsules-from-china/


(AP) SEOUL, South Korea - South Korea has seized thousands of smuggled drug capsules filled with powdered flesh from dead babies, which some people believe can cure disease, officials said Monday.


let alone the digital ghettos they're going to put citizens who aren't good little slaves into

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-social-credit-score-privacy-invasion

this is the tip of the iceburg i can go on all day with this shit btw. the chinese government is dangerous.

>>8704536
woops wrong picture

tl;dr of picture china has already been in a "trade war" with us for decades. the US is just fighting back now, thats all. media in bed with the chinese over this since they're corporate whores

>>8704031
I've been in manufacturing for 6 years. And a lot of commercial jobs are reliant on Chinese products. Government handouts are the only reason why US manufacturers stand a chance.

>>8704596
what can the chinese make that america can't make? why should we ship in goods from overseas when it makes more logistical sense to produce things here?


usually it makes sense to make what you can and if can't produce something, buy it from a neighbor. the US traditionally has been a manufacturing powerhouse. id imagine that the majority of the chinese products that we buy can be made here if we deregulate and rewrite laws that have been designed to make manufacturing in america expensive... which is exactly what the president did last year.

>>8703447
If China starves it citizens and South African and Zimbabwe cannot feed Africa the world is going to get a whole lot whiter.

Fucking based.

>>8704596
We have plenty of ability to ramp up our manufacturing. China doesn't have the ability to ramp up quality food production or manufacturing without damaging their health due to how unsafe all of their food and manufacturing processes are.

>>8704714
The US simply can't produce it cheap enough. We might stand a chance when factories become fully automated but those factory jobs are gone forever. Cheap Chinese products make it possible for small companies to compete since all they have to do is prepare marketing materials and design good packaging. It pretty much allows our economy to focus on producing information. Which is the future economy.

So no, Chinese making things isn't the worst thing in the world. Because it prepares our economy for the future.

>>8703278
nice sideboob

>>8704714
>What can china manufacture that the US can't
Wrong question
>What can china manufacture at a profit that the US can't
Right question

Lower cost of living, high job demand and better infrastructure make manufacturing in China much cheaper. The trump-hated trade deficit is actually a yearly $400b goods surplus that would require $600b to buy from anywhere else or produce at home. That's why it's been allowed to happen in the first place, the problem is that there's now too many dollars overseas and the US is getting literally bought up

>Be US
>Print dollars to buy chinese products for free
>Enforce petrodollar so that china and everyone else needs the dollars to trade energy with
>Greedily let this spiral out of control, china now huge dollar whale
>China begins to hoard massive amounts of gold, land (much of it in US soil) and other equities with their dollars, in what could be a prep move to dump and crash the dollar value
>Obama does nothing
>China now clearly planning to ditch the petrodollar and dump dollars
>Trump tries to enforce a tariff in order to reduce the rate at which they can buy equities worldwide
>Probably too late
> A low iq faggot at a singaporean orchid gardening assembly says "muh we can make everything china can"
>The absolute state of /biz/

This place truly has nothing of business & finance. It's just a shitload of brainlets baited into buying fake monopoly money

>>8704921
>We might stand a chance when factories become fully automated but those factory jobs are gone forever.

this is what it all boils down to and is basically one of the current president's main goals. the trump administration wants to ramp up that manufacturing again.

>since all they have to do is prepare marketing materials and design good packaging.

americans can get paid to do this too

>It pretty much allows our economy to focus on producing information. Which is the future economy.

i think we can and should still make money here in the present real world before we plug humanity into the matrix

>So no, Chinese making things isn't the worst thing in the world.

i think they have a place in the world economy too obviously. they're so industrialized now, its smart to do business with people who have a lot of business. but as a sovreign nation america should look out for itself first and foremost before it allows the chinese to prosper off our wealth.


don't know why america scrambling back and trying to turn on some basic industries is a bad thing. china has been going full tilt and its really worked out for them. we take 10 years to get the permits to build a road, they take 10 years to build a city. just don't see why they should have all the advantages and the US shouldn't.

>>8705018
>Lower cost of living, high job demand and better infrastructure make manufacturing in China much cheaper.

yeah read the rest of my post after i posed that question. i said essentially the same thing you just said.


>>8704714
>id imagine that the majority of the chinese products that we buy can be made here if we deregulate and rewrite laws that have been designed to make manufacturing in america expensive

why is it more expensive to manufacture here while its cheaper to manufacture in china?

we need to ask ourselves why the chinese economy was allowed to be propped up when there were places in america we could have propped up too. in the 50s and 60s when america's infrastructure was already pretty much in place and our country's economy was roaring, china was a bunch of disparate villagers being killed by communists so that they could be corralled into line and controlled by a government that they fear.

don't think america can compete with a huge slave economy. we already have workers righs and high wages. there they can force little kids to make nikes for 16 hours a day paying them just enough to buy some dead rats for dinner.

> "muh we can make everything china can"

the US can totally manufacture almost anything. we have always had the infrastructure and the resources. the US didn't become the worlds #1 economy for nothing.

the country has been fucked by weird laws and regulations designed to siphon off american wealth to other countries and to allow the chinese prosper, they've gotten the best deal out of anyone in all of this.

>>8702514
This.

>>8705058

I get paid to prepare marketing materials that is what 90% of US "manufacturers" do. Learn to read faggot. The US economy is already heavily reliant on information. It's brainlets like you that are responsible for America's decline.

>>8705403
> The US economy is already heavily reliant on information.

i love the idea of data being the new oil, im obsessed with "higher order" tech jobs and the future is so obviously going to be very digitized. in our lifetimes there's going to be a computer chip in everything. im not debating against this at all and we're on the same page here.

but why can't we make money off of energy, natural resources, goods, building materials, etc when we have everything it takes to go further in those sectors? they're simple and not as sexy but there's trillions of dollars at stake here. im just saying the US has so much untapped potential in industries where other countries have prospered while the US has sat on the sidelines and allowed itself to crumble.

and if you have trillions of dollars floating around in your economy and don't just let it get pooled up... and hopefully businesses pay their workers a decent wage, government reinvests some of the money back into the country.. everything gets better across the board. and when everything gets better across the board you can reinvest healthy educated workers into doing jobs that require more brain power.

>>8704025
Wasn't of expecting thread to still be up so full disclosure....
Ger bated harder limey XD

>>8704714
>id imagine that the majority of the chinese products that we buy can be made here if we deregulate
>deregulate
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why do you think everything was shipped overseas in the first place?

>>8706215
yeah the chinese had and continue to have little to no regulations but at the same time the US was also progressively hit with more and more regulations over the years.

>>8706050
yeah hehe hahaha
USA USA USA!

But while we are pretending to be retarded here let me ask another hypothetical question.

This article uses both affect and effect.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/03/05/tariffs-trump-impact/395314002/
But, mind you this is just a larp; I can't tell this difference between usage. Hehahahehe

So my superior american intellect friends what is the proper way to use effect vs affect in this situation? hehaheahahehahehaheh
Reminder I'm only pretending to be retarded.