/biz/ - Business & Finance

Graphic design.

>It gives you status
>It's hip
>You'll only use macs
>You'll have your own personal business card featuring your name side to side written in helvetica on coated paper
>You can grow a beard
>Smoking weed is a must
>You can draw whatever shit you're into
>Bitches love designers

Drop out of college while you can.

Srs.

>>853093
Why? I have nothing else going for me other than carpentry skills.

>>853156

Jesus christ dude, become a carpenter.

>>853166
that's lame though bro, I wanna be sitting inside doing shit on a laptop all cozy

>>853156
>>853173
Still drop out. Learn JavaScript/HTML/CSS. Udacity has some good courses on that. Once you've gotten good with CSS, learn a preprocessor like Sass or Less. (I use Less, but I hear Sass is better.) CSS is the weakest link in the web development toolchain, so it should be the first to replace with something better. Then get a front end framework like Bootstrap and get good at making attractive websites with it. Then pick up jQuery ONLY AFTER you've learned JavaScript really well. Once you learn jQuery, you'll have a hard time learning JavaScript because you'll be able to do most simple shit with just jQuery, but knowing JavaScript is important. DON'T fuck around with any front end frameworks yet. At the level you'd be at, they're just a shortcut to compensate for you not knowing JavaScript, which you need to know. Learn one once you've learned JavaScript and can feel the need for one. That might be never.

Then make a bunch of landing pages and websites. Don't worry too much about functionality. Focus on quantity over quality. Then put your best looking ones up into a portfolio.

Congrats, you can now start applying to front end development jobs.

Then you can learn Node.js and go into backend and find out how deep the rabbit hole goes, but for now just learn front end. It's a lot more tangible, and it's easy to show people you can do it by just doing it.

You can do all that while going to school, but you won't be able to get really into it because you'll need to do homework. I was majoring in CS at a great school, and once I learned to program well enough to do it on my own, I could do nothing else besides programming, failed all my classes, got kicked out of the CS major, lost my funding for school, and was basically forced to drop out. In the process, I became a stupidly good, albeit inexperienced, programmer.

My last class was on a Monday. I had a job by Wednesday.

>>853195
Wow fuck yeah dude, and what kind of work does this entail? As in, what does your employer have you do? Do you work from home? Thank you so much for the tips, where can I talk to people like you? /g/?

>>853195
So if you want to be the kind of developer who can work remotely, you're best off teaching yourself and not wasting your time/money on a university that only gives you a false sense of knowing how to program.

Nowadays, I work almost entirely remotely, only having to show up every now and then for a meeting. I mostly do short term contract work, working out of coffee shops. I secure more contracts just by being a chatty Cathy and going to tech meetups. And the best part? If you tell someone you're a freelance software developer, no one thinks to ask or even cares if you have a degree. They only care if you can produce work that's worth your price.

Worst comes to worst, you find you can't do what you want without a degree, and you go to school with real world experience and probably a fatter wallet.

>>853210
>what kind of work does this entail?
It depends on the contracts I take. For me, I do more than just web dev, and I've made friends with another developer, and we've got this loose pact going where if one of us bites off more than we can chew, we'll outsource some of the work to each other. His skills complement mine really well, so I can take most contracts as long as I make sure he's willing to help me out with the parts I'm not experienced in.

The "hardest" part of the freelance path for most people is finding the work, but if you go to meetups, talk to a lot of people, and show interest in what they're doing, you won't even have to do a sales pitch really. Just mention that you're a developer if they ask, and if they need a developer, they'll start looking into hiring you. If that's not your strong suit, I'd recommend joining a public speaking club like Toastmasters. (I'd still recommend it even if you are involved. I've gotten a lot of leads from my club.)

But if you work from coffee shops or in other public places, there's a decent chance people will see you working and then ask if they can hire you to help with their website or other stuff. That just happened to me a few days ago, actually.

The real hardest part of the job is just keeping your skills sharp and up to date. It's a lot of time, but if you enjoy programming, it doesn't feel like a chore. Just read a lot of blogs and go to meetups, talk to people, write down words you don't know and look them up later.

And of course, with going to tech meetups, you'll not only be keeping your skills up to date, but you'll also be talking to people who might be able to help you get jobs or give you one themselves. (I'll write more in a bit, but I gotta take care of something really quick.)

is a bachelors in business a good idea for a comfy upper-middle class life. I feel I would be a good business operator.

>>853232
>But if you work from coffee shops or in other public places, there's a decent chance people will see you working and then ask if they can hire you to help with their website or other stuff.

Hahahahahh dude what? You're so full of shit. Just stop

>>853066
My advice is take lots of classes in things you may be interested in your first semester. I graduated with a degree in Biochemistry because I realized too late to transfer that Finance was a better field for me. Don't make the same mistake. Be 100% sure about your major before completing it.

>>853212
This. Universities don't know how to teach programming. You have to do yourself. The other big thing in tech sector is data science. You literally need do this on your own. Universities are not equipped to teach this field. http://datasciencemasters.org/.. Learn SQL first, then do some R programming with a little dosage in stats and calc. You'll make a lot of money in this career.

>>853243
Bro are you me? I wanted to do Physics/Econ, but I realized too late that what I wanted to do. There is always the second BS/A option.

https://www.onetonline.org/

Official U.S. Department of Labor career database.

Search for any job imaginable, get info on median salaries, required education, and growth prospects.

Become an electrician. You make 51k as a median salary.

>>853239
If you say so. It's how I get half my contracts.

Granted, I get more from coworking spaces and chatting with people about their businesses.

OP, my advice is basically to learn to program, read a lot of books/blogs, write a lot of code, and once you get to a certain level, talk to a lot of people. At least, that's if you want to work from home and have that freedom, it's your best bet.

Worst comes to worst, you just took a year off, and you can go back to school.

>>853305
I like the sound of this and if anything this wasn't a new thought but an affirmation for what I wanted to hear. But can you think of any other skills or abilities that can be done from home or freelance? I just don't want to jump into this rabbit hole without looking around first (but at the same time I don't want to spend too much time looking around). I personally can't think of any other career that pays as high and maintains this kind of demand and job security, but maybe some of you can?

>>853305
>half of my contracts

Half of 0 is still 0 so I don't think you're lying

>>853319
STFU and stop picking on my friend you little bitch, I don't see you giving any constructive advice fucking NEET scum gtfo, tbh

>>853319
I've never seen someone so assblasted on /biz/ before.

So I've been thinking a lot today, and I've come to the conclusion that if a Computer Science degree is overshadowed by a strong portfolio of your work, is the degree then not worth getting?

If this is true, what degrees ARE worth getting, in which a strong portfolio would not overshadow it?

>>853440
I like Architecture, but the school I'm planning on going to doesn't offer any classes in it. Since I already have carpentry skills, and I'm working on my computer skills, I think this might be an engaging and lucrative path for me, but my fucking school doesn't even offer it, what do?

>>853440
I don't think a computer science degree is worthless, actually. It's just not going to be particularly helpful landing you jobs where you can work from home and will soak up enough free time that it will be hard to learn the skills on your own.

I think the most useful degrees are in areas where you need specialized certifications that require a degree to get. Any line of work where job postings want a degree but don't care what it's in are probably fields where the degree itself is not worth getting.

And if you can network and befriend the right people, that opens up a lot of the same doors that a degree opens and some that a degree doesn't.

>>854224
Oh, and I'm >>853305 posting from a different wifi hotspot.

>>853195
>Learn JavaScript/HTML/CSS
>Then you can learn Node.js
What if you want to do real development instead of stupid hipster webdev bullshit? I hope you at least learned enough from your education to not use mongodb.

>>853066
post graduate options:
finance
quantitative finance

undergrad is finance

>>853195
Is there a sticky in the chans that has info like this? Maybe sci or g?

>>853066

Study "Lean Six." It never gets mentioned here, but people that know how increase business operation velocity, while reducing error and waste are immensely valuable. If you go through any decent program and actually retain the knowledge, you will never be out of work. You can go anywhere in the world with it and make great money.

It may not be a super popular choice here because you aren't selling bullshit or sitting on your ass and collecting dividends, but it is an amazing career if you enjoy actually working on projects.

>>853245
>Learn R without taking university-level statistics

Sounds legit.

What's the best law path?

>>853237
Try not to go for a general business degree, specialize in at least economics, finance etc. But more importantly than anything, grades don't mean shit if you don't have experience. Make sure you try to get as many internships as possible, work on your interview and interpersonal skills. The person who has a better interview will always win over the person with the better resume.

Lads, Ican't decide whether to pursue a joint honours in Economics and Finance and then do a postgraduate masters in Economics.

My other plan is to maybe do a undergraduate History degree and then do a postgraduate degree in Law: Criminal Justice.

Asli is there any point in me pursuing a PhD? I'd love to get involved in the academia as a university lecturer in History or Law but I'm afraid of austerity cutting all non-STEM jobs in unis. Is there any employable value in having a doctorate.

Soothe my fears /biz/bros...

>>854820
Holy fuck my spelling is bad

>>854820

I was in a similar situation. I studied economic history at the University of Ghent. I wanted to pursue a career in academia, but the competition for a spot is competitive as fuck.

The way I approached it was this: I applied to Oxford University for a MSt in Modern European history. Now I could namedrop my way into academia, and it worked. At the moment I'm only an assistant-professor pursuing a ph.D, but I most definitely got selected just based on my alma mater.

>>854827
while my GCSEs are pretty mediocre (nearly all Bs) and my A Levels are all predicted to be As, is that enough to get to into Oxford? Is there not a special "Oxbridge" exam to get into that uni?

By the way, what's it like being a assistant professor? What do you do? Is the pay good? Assuming you don't have a PhD yet, do you have a master's in history?

>>854827
also, is Queens University, a good name dropper? it's in the top 150 history uni departments in the world and is the most prestigious uni in NI and may even be the most in Ireland. would that get be anywhere? it's just to go to the mainland I have to pay £9000 in fees and my two retired parents will be paying it for me compared to the £4000 odd I have to pay for here in NI

>>854836
>Is there not a special "Oxbridge" exam to get into that uni?

There isn't if you're a graduate student, but you need a GPA average of at least 3.7 (I had a 3.74). You also need a good/flawless statement of purpose and motivation why you want to study (I can post you an excerpt of mine if you want).

> what's it like being a assistant professor?

It's pretty fucking awesome if you get into a field you like. I can spend all my do on research, help the professor on his research, supervise students, prepare course material, conduct oral exams, etc etc. The pay is pretty good (about 1950 euro). I have a master's in economic history (University of Ghent) and Modern political history (Oxford).

>>854847
Queens seems nice too. You might want to try UCL or KCL. They're also top 10 universities, and their acceptance rate is higher. Otherwise Manchester and Edinburgh are really easy to get into, even though they're top-20. I got accepted to all these, but I choose Oxford because the tuition is about the same for all. At the very least try, I personally never expected to get into Oxford, I just did it to take a shot.

>>853305
Sounds like you are full of shit bro. I'll agree that udacity is pretty bad ass.

But you are full of shit.

>>854862
>There isn't if you're a graduate student, but you need a GPA average of at least 3.7 (I had a 3.74).
I'm from NI, so I don't know what that means tbh. How do I get that?

>You also need a good/flawless statement of purpose and motivation why you want to study (I can post you an excerpt of mine if you want).
Could you please post an excerpt and then a mind of summary about what overall you need to say.

>It's pretty fucking awesome if you get into a field you like.
Is competition intense for a job like this, was it really difficult for you to find one to apply for? Is there more than one assistant professor? How'd you find out about the job? What was the application process like? Is there an interview? Do you need experience in teaching or a lot of job experience?

>I have a master's in economic history (University of Ghent) and Modern political history (Oxford).
Again I don't know how this shit works in the mainland and my resources on unis are atrocious but do you have to do a undergraduate degree to do a postgraduate degree? I mean, are masters not both postgraduate so did it not cost a shitload to do both?

I mean, ideally I'd love a masters in "Late Antiquity and Byzantine Studies" and "Greek/Roman Studies" and a doctorate in "Ancient History" but like I said I kinda want to play it safe and do Criminal Justice. Any advise? Also what's the University of Ghent?

>>854886
Jeez, looking back on how little I know if this hair reflects my schools shit resources on this. Smh.

b-bump

>>853452

Why not learn any CAD software?

>>853066
Any engineering, plus marketing/communication double major. You'll be able to make and sell anything

>>853066
anyone with BME degree here?
How can I secure my relevancy within job market (as should I study ME or EE as minor along my studies)?

>>854886

You can find out your total GPA here: http://www.foreigncredits.com/Resources/GPA-Calculator/

> about assistant-professor
There are a few assistants in every department attached to a particular professor. There is a structured process to become one, and in most cases it starts with an exam testing your abilities. It really helps if you have a close connection to a professor in your area of expertise. After the exam, you will get offers and internships,at least if you performed well . You don't need any previous experience

> About graduate degrees

The normal process is like this: undergrad (3 years) -->master/graduate degree (1-2 years) --> postgrad

You normally can't go from an undergrad to a postgrad.

I would play it safe and study criminal justice, because you will most likely never be a professor in Greek, Byzantine or Roman history without being able to read and write in Classical Greek and Roman sources.

Lastly, University of Ghent is a Belgian university (I'm from Belgium).

They didn't really have AutoCAD at university. Most of the vocational classes were at community college.

>>854954
Study ME instead. It's more versatile, and what the industry recognizes. There's many reddit thread concerning this. BME is a scam all about.

>>855009
>There are a few assistants in every department attached to a particular professor. There is a structured process to become one, and in most cases it starts with an exam testing your abilities. It really helps if you have a close connection to a professor in your area of expertise. After the exam, you will get offers and internships,at least if you performed well . You don't need any previous experience
Is that in the UK? Do you do an offer with one university and the offers and internships come from it or is there an extraeducational body that covers it? What is the test like? What kind of questions are on it? Is it multiple choice or anything?

>I would play it safe and study criminal justice, because you will most likely never be a professor in Greek, Byzantine or Roman history without being able to read and write in Classical Greek and Roman sources.
I can do all those fam. But if I were to do basic History would the chances be better?

>>855038

It mainly applies to Belgium. I'm Belgian, I only got my graduate degree at Oxford and returned back to Belgium after. It's probably similar though.

The offer applies to one university, but if you get accepted chances are really high you can transfer the acceptance to another university (if they have a spot open).

The test is specific for each field of research / study. Most questions are rather methodological/general to test your approach and methodology to deal with scientific questions. It's hard to study specifically for this test. It requires a certain skill set / attitude, which you develop during your studies.

Doing basic history is probably to best to get a spot, but you WILL have to specialize at a certain point. The only positions that are open for professors that don't deal with specific time periods are methodology courses or introduction to historiography. If you can read Classical Greek/Roman you will do very good to choose this specialization.

>>854827
>>854862
>>855009
>>855045
Cheers bro, it means a lot to actually get proper answers on this stuff for once. Means a lot, thanks.

>>853084

This tbh.

>>853166
>Jesus christ dude, become a carpenter
>carpenter
>Jesus christ

>haven't written an essay in years
>trying to apply for uni
>stuck almost exactly half way through
I forgot how much I hate writing.

http://pastebin.com/2hnNkE3d

>>853066
you could be a tutor.
For highschool level tutoring you could get paid up to $80 bucks an hour depending on how good you are at teaching a certain area.