/biz/ - Business & Finance

Today is a good day!

My memfolio is red, should have went harder into shorting the bonds instead of the indexes, but tomorrow is when I'm hoping for a giant turd to be dropped on this market...

>>8460207
seriously why the fuck you gotta use all the same god damn pictures i use? wtf

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>>8460207
>>8460238
hey faggots, nobody remembers your name or your trip. nobody give two shits about you. your tripfagging just makes you easier to dismiss without reading

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>>8460265
seriously like every picture, go use them somewhere else, im watchin

>>8460238
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>>8460359
Jesus christ you guys...

>>8460287
have you had enough gay sex today?

>>8460375

>>8460384
>>8460375

Friendly reminder that $8 is now the norm for Sunrun

fuck while i was complaining to bagholder fucking CEI takes off

>>8460341
its that time again

Mah niggas I got Shopify at 108 CAD same got bb at 14 CAD on the tsx side

>>8460428
its a pump

no news

>>8460497
no shit, doesn't mean you can't make money on it...

10 mins to the power hour everything looking good gonna sell a lot of my positions to have cash for tomorrow.
Or was the FED rate raise priced in yesterday?

>>8460447
How does the TSX work? Do the shares come from the same float?

>>8460523
fed rates priced in 4 years ago, we moon tomorrow

AMRS YOU DUMB POS GO BACK UP I'M TRYING TO GET OUT OF MY CALLS

>get Powell on the line

Alright, got a haircut and I'm back home so I can be ready for Wednesday's slaughter VIA Fed Shitposting. Should I just pick up some UVXY at close like I did on Friday? I don't have options yet so yay me.

>>8460080

I just got an invite for options trading. How does this work?

Any eurofags here?
Does Euronext have any American smallcap ETFs that aren't hopelessly illiquid?

>>8460519
>>8460428
hmm its still running

>>8460552
Powell raise the rate 4.5% lets show them who they they're fucking with.

day 1, already 2/3 day trading holy shit
How long do I have to wait?

>>8460584
its a short squeeze on a really small float, they did a r/s recently

>>8460573
Buy out-the-money puts on SPX that expire later this week.

>>8460601
>holding TQQQ and VIXY
You know those basically just invert each other, right?

Ok, the indices are green again

Is it a good idea to buy TVIX, hold it overnight and wait for FED shitpost ?

>>8460660
This FED shitpost has been priced in since 2016.

>>8460550
It's funny because some people said that AMRS would burn people again. Even with a huge increase in share prices, it still found a way.

>>8460660
wait till tomorrow

Power hour where?
When?

>>8460680
>>8460696
Ok tomorrow at open then
I am so excited because this is gonna be my first time

>>8460652
Duh, its a hedge

>>8460714
just wait till they release the minutes then see what happens

>>8460739
When is this?

>>8460739
But that would be too late wouldn't it ?

Come on Aurora Cannabis you dirty whore drop harder, faster, do it, do it now! Take my $9.99 order. You want to sell me $9.99 shares yes you do.

>>8460680
In fact, I think there will be some kneejerk whatever the shitpost says

Plus, Powell may be like SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER and announce more rate hikes than expected

>>8460758
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/federal-reserve-fomc-announcement-march-2018-183508716.html

>>8460761
it would be the most predictable way to make money

How the fuck do I get options on robinhood? I've gotten 3 emails saying options were available to me.

>>8460816
Since there is a 95% chance of a rate hike, I'm assuming only 5% of this has been priced in.

Pomp it.
Get comfy on the line.

>>8460850
You get the notification in the app where the news slides are click it to go through the questions.
It kept crashing on my iphone so I did it on my old android just fine.

who bought the twitter dip?

Interest rates go up, meaning bond yields increase, meaning riskier investments like equities are less attractive and fall, right?

>>8460972
Priced in

>AMZN mooning again
They can't keep getting away with it.

>>8460972
Investors hate uncertainty. When those bond yields start looking tasty expect to see equities tank.

>>8460972
no because bonds have never outperformed equities and never will

banks need excuses to sell off, so bond yield increase gives them that excuse. see 1985

>>8460987
Sometimes, I wonder
Why do you research shitty memes and read 10-Ks when you can just all-in AMZN and wait for dem tendies

>>8461012
If I had more capital, I would all in AMZN. There isn't a safer bet in the market, period.

>>8460872
COMFY CHAD READY FOR YOUR ORDERS, SIR

So when do I get dividends?

>>8461031
Right now, I can buy like 16 AMZN shares and never come shitposting here again

>>8461072
Thats no fun.

>>8461012
>Why do you research shitty memes and read 10-Ks when you can just all-in AMZN and wait for dem tendies
cause thats boring as fuck.

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>>8461126
In the end, we are in this game for the gains

>>8461072
Its going to come out that the Ruskies used Amazon prime to get faster shipping while meddling in the 2016 US elections.

>>8461141
I'm here for memes and risky bets

>>8461142
I would buy the fucking dip

welp loaded up on some more sqqq today, lets bet on shitposting

>>8460080
100% cash now, everything I had was in profit so I’m saving my gains.
I’m not ready to short, I don’t even think the market is going to dive but with rate hike fud being a mainstay this year we haven’t seen the last of it yet. 2018 will likely be a mediocre year. Bring on tech wreck 2.0, it’s about fucking time. Too bad it won’t be isolated like the first one though. Even more reason to let it rip.
>>8460972
Yes generally, company debt becomes more profitable to hold than it’s equity. At least that’s the idea. It doesn’t happen on a market-wise basis, individual cases maybe, but it does reduce the perceived value of equity.

>>8461141
you can get 100% gains in stocks within a day if you play it right, sure theres a chance of losing money, but thats the way it is. What you gunna do buy AMZN and let it sit there and still come into this thread?

>>8461205
everything you just said is a meme

>>8461060
RH should tell you the payout day.
for me it was 10 days after annoucement.
>>8461012
It's had 30% growth every year for 5 years. there's really not much more room left to grow.
In fact it's already trading at the price expecting it to become bigger than walmart, the biggest company in the world.

in the near future this will tumble 20% and it still will be overvalued.

>>8461263
In the near future every stock you see today will be worth double

>>8461245
Well I’m a big buy&holder and I come to these threads still for two reasons
>This is the most intelligent discussion on the board, sadly
>I catch up on market news and general happenings
>>8461251
If by meme you mean observation of current events then yeah, a meme. You don’t think tech is overvalued? You don’t think the market overreacts to rate hikes? Must be living on a different planet.

>>8461300
sigh

No I dont think tech is overvalued, I think its undervalued in fact. Just because you look at meme ratios and the chart looks high doesnt mean shit in the new world

>>8461300
>This is the most intelligent discussion on the board
say it aint so

>mfw someone shorts arms near me

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>>8461142
Come to think about it more seriously, I would miss you guys

>still no $WALL ticker
When?

>>8461263
Thanks just checked and I got $0.08. Yay?

>>8461245
If he was smart, yes.

>>8461126
Investing is supposed to be boring. 90% of my portfolio is just MSCI World & EM. Every 1st of the month (regardless of prices) I put about 40% of my net income in those two. 10% of my portfolio I use for 'fun' stuff, buying stocks after a double digit decline for example. If you fuck around with the majority of your portfolio, you'll never be rich.

>>8461359
Remember we're all here forever, together

>>8461283
There's these magical numbers called "Earnings" that you can use to give a true valuation of a stock.

Stocks can't stray away from their true value forever. Reality checks in sooner or later.
Even pricing in great expected earnings, it's 100 P/E. Margins are worse than walmart on fewer sales.

If AMZN doesn't beat earnings in a month, it's going to crash hard.

>>8461378
Treat yourself to a milkshake

>>8461378
If you were holding BGFV it'd be $0.15 a share this Friday

>>8461437
see, you are just believing in memes. Santa clause, tooth fairy, P/E ratios, whatever
why dont you think a little further ahead, like 10 years down the line, even 3 years. You think the valuations of today mean jack shit? earnings will make a stock drop good or bad, its not something a small spec like you can predict

>>8461391
>Investing is supposed to be boring.
if you do it right it's boring and exciting, thats why i mostly play OTC stocks, they can sit in one spot for months then just explode 100%+ in the first hour of a random fucking day

>people panicked about AMRS
Just HODL ffs

Looking good it seems

>>8461519
>HODL
sorry bro this isn't a crypto thread

>swing dividends stock for a couple days
>been weeks since holding that stock
>get dividend
But why dad

>>8461352
I beg to differ man, look at these pops recently from not even bad, but lower than expected earnings. OLED, GRMN etc. Its a straw on camels back scenario from inflation. When this shit ripples through companies that dont provide valuable services : FB, Twitter, Snap etc. Its going to be glorius.

>>8461352
I’m just going to have to disagree and leave it there anon. We have all these companies with bolstered prices, high valuations but no profit yet have been outperforming, and with great influence on the rest of the market because of their sheer size. It’s not bubble territory but it’s a bit much. And I won’t ignore actual financial data in favor of speculation about the future.
>>8461437
Basically this
>>8461355
Things are slowly improving. We might get back to Jan 2017 status if crypto keeps falling in the shitter. Wouldn’t hope for much more though

>>8461558
Thats just plain wrong. Stocks drop after earnings even if its better than expected, because thats how big players do it... They see that now the stock is "valued" properly and dump it

twitter and snap will forever be short targetted, they wont drop

>>8461502
I believe in memes because they reduce my risk and increase my reward.
If i was in it for 10 years I would be in an index. in the next year AMZN could drop 20%-40%

April 26, if I'm wrong or right. My bet is if it doesn't beat earnings, it will tank, even if they're good earnings. Because they're already priced in at beating earnings.
Amazon's chart is already at the "greed/delusion" stage, pretty soon we'll see denial

>>8461601
thats because the market runs on stop targets (for companies with no value like tesla and snap)

and from both a fundamental and technical perspective, we should be going up for many more years. Just look at the MAs spread out and the ADX on the monthly. Same as the 50s before we experienced an even bigger bullrun than seen today

>>8461630
>twitter and snap will forever be short targetted, they wont drop
>snap
>wont drop
lol

>>8461675
Short Amazon into earnings?

Never wrong

>>8461515
Hope you have a tiny portfolio then. Otherwise this sounds fucking terrifying instead of boring.

>>8461741
i'm only on RH, but if my options come through I'd buy some puts.

>>8461675
>in the next year AMZN could drop 20%-40%

So how different are stocks from crypto in practice? are penny stocks really similar in terms of volatility? also I heard fees are much higher, how do you still make profit?

>>8461844
gtfo

>>8461794
why is that terrifying? You don't have your whole portfolio in those kinds of stocks.....

>>8461705
ok snap will drop if the rest of the market is doing well

>>8461844

penny stocks are safer than crypto and more predictable

Power hour failed today, might be a bloodbath tomorrow.

>>8461902
What makes you think that?

When's the Fed shitpost?

>>8461936
Tommorrow

>>8461869
You made it sound like that's what you're doing. If you mess around with OTC stocks with 10% of your portfolio, you're doing it right.

>>8461844
are you retarded or summtin? these can't be real questions

>>8461974
>If you mess around with OTC stocks with 10% of your portfolio, you're doing it right.
try like 30-50% most of my focus goes into researching those, bigger markets are mainly momo and value plays for me

>>8462000
nice trips
also I think it's a troll

>>8461548
What did he mean by this?

>>8461889
what about the volatility (lower percentage) and high fees?
>>8462000
why? I've never traded stocks
>>8461849
don't get offended just because for one spring day after the long bearish winter coinfags are greener than nocoiners

Whose that poor sucker that bought oracle yesterday?

>>8461844
stock price is dependent on company performance instead of whatever it is that crypto price is based on.
penny stocks are similar in terms of volatility. there's usually one penny stock per day that blows up 100%. trading penny stocks is dangerous though.
with robinhood, fees are 2 cents per trade. but even other brokers have lower fees than crypto

>>8462235
>stock price is dependent on company performance

Mostly. This is actually a key part of value trading if you want to play that game. Find the stocks that are priced outside "fair value", meaning the ones that are trading below where they ought to be based on company performance, buy them, profit.

Anyway, to anon who was asking, there are more ways to trade stocks than there is for crypto. Stock market has a number of different types of shares in addition to the regular ones; your warrants and options and so on. There are also index funds and mutual funds and indices that track things other than companies.

>>8462235
>stock price is dependent on company performance
>penny stocks are similar in terms of volatility. there's usually one penny stock per day that blows up 100%.
seems like a contradiction
I

>>8462470
OTC penny memes are fucked, the price can go up like 30% in a day because some one threw 50 bucks at the ask.

>>8462524
>OTC penny memes are fucked, the price can go up like 30% in a day because some one threw 50 bucks at the ask.
just gotta learn to play them

>>8461359
That pic makes me depressed

>>8462623
I missed that when it was posted but yeah, damn, same here.

Tomorrow at close will begin a new /smg/ weekly cycle. Will be adding puts for BRK.B and calls for BGFV if I can get these fucking calls to sell at a decent price

>>8462623
>>8462648
It must have been pictures taken by a nurse of that hospital. It was supposed to a joyous moment.

I find it represents one great truth of our condition. It should be an art masterpiece.

Who /drinking/ here?

>>8462662
dank

>>8462722
I quit drinking.

>>8462722
Drinking is ok if done moderately
Please don't hurt yourself

TBT mooning AH.

>>8462722

What do i buy

I am from crypto (pls be nice) so i really dont mind 10% fluctuation per day

But i would prefer less because this is where most of my money wipl go

>>8462827
small portion of portfolio in BGFV

>>8462827
AMRS
DRYS
GE
VTGN

>>8462827
Well I am anticipating high volatility tomorrow so I'm short SPY long UVXY, short long term bonds, and long gold right now.

>>8462827
NAK
DRYS
GE
SVXY
XIV

>>8462827
do you want to actively trade or buy and hodl? for the latter,
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Three-fund_portfolio

>>8460771
nooooooooooooo

>>8462756
Same here nigga. Life is objectively better without it, but subjectively way worse. If that makes any sense.

>>8462827
What is your goal with stocks ?

>mfw crypto's demise brings us newfags who will buy our bags

All joke aside, I am hodling some BTC

>>8462866
I never short

Should i get index funds? Looks like its at a low

Mostly because the president says stupid shit?

>>8462866
gold is going sub 1299
dont say i didnt warn you

>>8462827
honestly go all in on amrs.

medium risk, insane reward.

>>8462929
>All joke aside, I am hodling some BTC
thats the only crypto worth holding, no normie is gunna give a fuck about anything else just yet

>>8462910
Hodl, my day trading is with crypto

>>8462952
My friend day trading like 1% changes over 5 minutes successfully maybe 10 tines a day adds up, ive made decent money

NANX is having earnings tomorrow, should I dump what's left of my cash into it to keep with the meme molecules theme?

>>8462939
Think of it as a small hedge if the FED decides to be all dovish.

bought amd at the low and tried to close it but the market ended before it even ticked
but looks like it worked out so far

>>8462934
The new fed chair Powell is going to fuck the market up tomorrow.

>>8462939
I think Bagholder is making a sensible bet.
USD has been strenghtening since this monday and I think it is the classical "buy the rumors sell the news" meme

USD is growing strong until the FED shitpost which in all likelihood should be a whole lot of fucking nothing. USD will be dumped and gold will rise.

And I am also pondering over going long TVIX at open tomorrow.

>>8462827

Apple (AAPL) if it goes below $160.

>>8462952
My thesis about BTC is that it will either be an asset class like digital gold, or the biggest financial scam of the 21st century

All the other altcoins are pure chink and pajeet scam

Why is amyris such a meme here anyways? I saw it leap on friday but just dont get it

>>8463024
I dont doubt tommrorow will have more volitility but heres my problem:

-Going long on the vix + shorting the market is full risk, non hedged
-Gold is still high compared the rest of the year

I would just go long on the vix and short the dollar

>>8463084
Years and years of tireless shilling.

>>8463084
because its price was beaten to hell and its projected to lead the next enormous market -synthetic biology
and theyr revenue projections are insane.

in other words theyre a 6 dollar stock that can be 100 dollars within 5 to 10 years.

>>8463084
shillers from some discord like to talk about it
you know those pajeets who spam link threads? same thing, we get guys with 20 posts and every single one is about amrs

>>8463084
its a discord shill group

>>8463102
>in other words theyre a 6 dollar stock that can be 100 dollars within 5 to 10 years.
Oh come on man I am a bag holder but that's just ridiculous.

>>8463090
>-Going long on the vix + shorting the market is full risk, non hedged
That's because Bagholder has balls of diamond.

>Gold is still high compared the rest of the year
Previous performance has nothing to do with the future.
And gold is inversely correlated to USD. USD is in a bear market and I think the current pop won't hold.
I read somewhere that if you take the 4 year moving average of gold price, it is still not overvalued. Don't ask me why but 4y MA is a good indicator for gold price actions.

>>8463084
Also last time it was shilled on /biz/ it lost 98% of value and had to R/S just to not get delisted so there's a lot of negative sentiment too.

>>8463170
In this case it does because we already were rejected from last years high and entered a downtrend (gold)

The dollar is no longer in a bear trend but instead ranging around the 90.0 mark

also the Gold/silver ratio has peaked for gold

>>8463118
do the math.

>>8463195
Ok, but why amyris instead of some other conpany

>>8463208
>The dollar is no longer in a bear trend but instead ranging around the 90.0 mark
That is the bet Bagholder goes against and the thesis of what I posted about "buy the rumors sell the news" in >>8463024

The event that will support your view will be Powell hinting at more rate hikes/stronger hikes.

>>8463270
/biz/ and AMRS went way back
lulz were had
pink wojaks were posted
moon mission happened
It's like a life story worthy of being made into a movie

>>8463270
It's legitimately a really promising company. Read up on it.

>>8463283
Yeah the gold pick is retarded.

>>>8455445

>>8463283
I have written in my journel from almost a year ago: "Powell good for precious metals"

but also, think about how governments around the world have begun to let us know way way ahead of time aboout rate hikes. Im pretty sure everything is priced in

Thats my bet

>>8463338
fuck gold, republicans are in office, im guessing anything the fed says tomorrow is going to effect energy futures in some way

>>8463105
>>8463109
actually a common misconception

the original amrs shiller was from the discord (and they deserve credit).
todays shillers have nothing to do with that chat.

>>8463338
>Yeah the gold pick is retarded.
No I don't think so
I think the USD rally won't hold after the FED shitpost

>>8463346
There is a macro old guy I like to follow who had the same conclusion, not necessarily for the same reasons as yours. USD is in a bear trend and it will be good for gold.

Of course the hikes is priced in, but the more I look into the market, the more I believe it likes to play pranks and make you believe the contrary just before the event

>>8463398
the original amrs shillers lost 70% of their investment lmao

SUUUUPER based
+1% in after hours
>>8463398
Yeah fucking right *rolls my eyes in an obvious manner*

>>8463446
actually amrs shiller 1 went from 15k to 100k on AMRS alone.
i would know, hes in xaviers chat. as am i.
and AMRS is only held by like 4 people there.

Well tomorrow is either going to be the day I've been anticipating since January or a total bust. See ya tomorrow you fine investors.

>>8462827
Volatility or options.

If you are a real ballsy cunt options on volatility

>>8463436
well, the USD is super weak no matter what news comes out, I dont doubt it will drop again, but Gold has been suspiciously high for awhile. Not saying sell your gold, but instead trade your gold for silver, because the ratios are waaaay off

>>8463477
Kill yourself

>>8463552
why are you guys such insecure pussies sometimes.
im telling you a dumb narrative is factually wrong, and you want to be cry babies about it.

>>8463525
good evening famalam

If BPMX, CRMD, ATRS, NVCN, and NTLA go up 500% tomorrow I'll acknowledge that there is a God

>>8463573
Meet me at Disneyland in anaheim if you want to fight

>>8463573
dont worry about him. were going to fucking moon. if it takes a long time to get there, all the better. fuck trying to time pump and dumps anywho

>>8463573
have you had enough gay sex today?

>he didnt buy the amd dip

>>8463688
looks like the weekly wants to roll over

>>8463525
What have you been expecting since Jan a massive correction?

>>8463723
after hours + 1.2%, if it can hold till tommrow, thats all I need

If AMD dips below 11 its worth buying right?

>>8463749
i made money on it on the way up, got shuffled about in its sideways movement and decided to say fuck it and have some really long term puts on it because i don't think it'll stay up this high for much longer.

>>8463770
impossible to say

>>8463817
I tried to close it last second but the market closed on me, its 1.4% now in after hours Im just gonna sell first thing in the morning but god dammit that means I have to gert up early again

>>8463868
it could open pretty high and squeeze some shorts out

>>8463533
Keep an eye on the gold vs platinum ratio. Gold has been more expensive than platinum ever since the market went crazy

See you guys

I gonna finish my evening doing DD on some salmon farming company

>>8463817
AMD is such a fucking mess of a company. the only time i hear about them in the news its because their new product has been outed as ineffective or incompatible with major industry standard software/hardware.

no offense to any long termers, but personally i just dont see it. they already have a stigma in the industry for being the rotten redheaded stepchild. it takes a lot of fresh advertising to change that idea once its been planted in the minds of consumers. and i really dont see them doing anything to meaningfully turn it around

>>8463477
with puts?
Either A: they're lying
or B, they leveraged a buy and sell at the exact right time (nobody cares)

>>8463909
yeah, platnum is probably a better choice than silver, since silver is crazy suppressed and the Cot is mysterious

>>8463966
its just for trading

>>8464022
thats what i assumed, but people get really attatched to their memes

>>8463909
any platinum ETFs with decent liquidity you can shill me?

>>8460080
Hi /smg/ what are your thoughts on disney stock?

I'm thinking about buying a single digit amount of shares from them.

>>8463966
It's really strange though, since there's basically only nvda and amd in the GPU market right now, and the market is fucking huge. Even if nvda is number 1, you should still expect amd to perform better than they are simply due to the sheer size of the pie to be had.

>>8463966
not really. I always buy AMD processors because they're a great value buy compared to intel.
Intel you get 10% faster for 50% more expensive
But they were a buy at $3, their margins will never be good enough to justify $12, let alone $20 or whatever shit people are trying to meme.

>>8464072
its a good price but dont go all in until itsa in the 90s

>>8464078
amd selling at forward PE of 21, Intel is at 13

do you think thats about the amount of current overvaluation? relatively similar companies same sector, curious where you think they should be not just that "$12 is too much"

>>8464076
because they do other things like Pep vs Ko

>>8464078
AMD was given the best chance during the crypto mining boom to turn their company around and they still had trouble doing so, now so many people are trying to sell their used shit online why would they buy anything straight from AMD anymore, they also have all their chips in ps4 and xbone but those sells i think have peaked...

DAX formed a death cross yesterday, is horted, it has gone up 0,5% today

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>8464117
I've noticed a trend with their share price, it peaks around April/march time i think its because of the weather in Florida being nice enough to attract visitors to their amusement park. Though, I doubt its their primary revenue stream.

>>8464078
i actually use their hardware too, as like you said, its so cheap. but their PR and advertising a shit. and thats worse for a stock than having no product at all and simply potential w/ a good ad campaign

>>8464078
>But they were a buy at $3, their margins will never be good enough to justify $12, let alone $20 or whatever shit people are trying to meme.
yeah those fucks memeing for 20 are beyond delusional. they bought the top but the reality hasnt set in yet. if i see a huge dip though, im in for a swing.

>>8464138
yeah. they have the potential to eat up a huge amount of NVDAs market share. but they wont, and its simply due to their management being fucking incompetent. kinda sad really

>>8464222
this level of naivete ...
investors are intelligent enough that take in seasonal factors into account. it isnt "oh man lots of people are going to disneyland rn, buy buy buy" they already have forecasts for the entire year. disney right now will go up if they can enter the streaming business, will stay course or go down if they cant

>>8464307

Can also fluctuate on surprise movie hits like Frozen.

>>8464307
and big investors already know if disney's foray into streaming business will succeed. they do market research. they ask people "would you buy disney's streaming service for $10 / month? $5?" they know approximately how many sales disney can expect to make at each price point and the likely margins for each. then they see how that will affect the bottom line.

bloody hell, I was gonna ask when GE would fall below $14 but it already happened

>>8464222
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>>8464449
>>8464072

heres an interesting fact about disney. and i only know this because i have friends who are signed to their music label (or rather, their private record label was bought out by disney). disney has been on a fucking rampage lately buying up IPs and small labels with IPs that look profitable. this is especially so in the music biz (but also in all facets of entertainment and media). imagine if you were disney, would you try to spend time and money scouting out for talent, launching an ad campaign, then pressing all of the records etc? no. its far easier to simply buy up labels that already have good records and bands that people like (and this is especially so in old hipster labels that only do represses of shit), take 95% of the profit for record sales, then rub their hands together and give the group "free press" and the ability to go on the late show etc. the bands get a nice signing bonus, but then they get like 5cents a record sale, and must tour in order to stay afloat. the bands and labels acquired get to keep their street cred for being "independent", and the disney execs get a nice passive investment on the entertainment industry. all they have to do is pull a couple strings for their acquisitions right in the beginning.

disney is about to become A LOT more profitable in the future, as they have been making really good deals like this, not only in the music entertainment industry, but the media and movie biz as well. their only major competitor is sony, who is doing mostly the same thing lately in regards to music IPs. i would say give it a couple quarters for all their assets to settle and then go really fucking long on them.

>>8464130
because their estimates are during a crypto boom, 20 p/e is proper valued, not "buy this now"
and estimates often fall flat. best case they stay in this range. if sales drop to pre crypto levels... well i wouldn't want to hholld

>>8464307
As for DIS amusement park segment

I don't know if that was priced in but they are trying to revamp their parks by including trendy themes like the Avengers and Star Wars.

I remember the day DIS announced an investment in Disneyland Paris. DIS market cap tanked by almost the same projected amount of cash of the investment (~2.2B$).

Experience will be valued by the next generation of parents and I would go bullish for their amusement park segment.

The rest of DIS business is rather conservative...

A few words on the motion picture segment. The way I see the whole sector, it is a shrinking business and the big fish will take most of the delicious cake and rape all the actresses. So we will be seeing a consolidation in it and DIS is big enough to have all the pie. And DIS has been delivering and will continue to deliver with the contents. Any blockbuster will be icing on the cake.

And like that anon said, the streaming business will be critical for DIS's growth but I find it to be very speculative since NFLX already had a big advance in it. This part should be heavily discounted in DIS valuation.

>>8464514
i wasnt saying i wanted to buy, i was jujst curious. makes sense theres basically no advantage to longing currently, no upside all downside. perhaps shorting could have some merit

>>8464557
>The rest of DIS business is rather conservative...
im telling you m8, disney has been buying up profitable assets in the entertainment industry quietly for years now. they will be a megalith of entertainment for years. forget about their parks honestly. thats not where most of their money will come from

>>8460716
youre an idiot

>>8464632
Yeah I just read your interesting take

I haven't digged into their financial reports so I don't know how many revenues are derived from their parks.

But in conclusion, I find DIS to be a very interesting mix of value and growth play. I stock I would feel very safe to go long

>>8464696
lol dont talk to me brainlet

Am I the only one still holding NAK bags? Fuck I got meemed hard

>>8464712
>stock I would feel very safe to go long
very much. their big thing to move into streaming could easily be done, but even if that fails, they should have absolutely no problem staying profitable.

but like i said, a lot of these acquisitions have been hush hush because as soon as people catch wind that their favorite indy label is owned by the mickey mouse corp, they wont buy it because hipsters. but make no mistake, between disney, and sony, about 90% of actually profitable independent music labels are puppeted by one of those two. i would assume that they also do this quietly so as to avoid arousing any people who might want to make an example (trust busting) out of their horizontal expansion over the whole entertainment industry

I got free 1 Disneyland share at birth Never sell, already 80x

>>8464914
>80x $0.00

>>8464873
like they say on /biz/

>thx just bought 100k

>>8464914
yeah, i feel like a faggot. about 5 years ago i had a chance to sign on, go live in florida at the park, and be a studio musician for them. this was before i became financially destitute. i even remember looking over their stock options. even to my non financially active brain, i could see that this was a fucking career. instead i decided to "go my own way" and try and "make it" in the music biz. what a fucking retarded faggot i was.

i will say though, if you can own and operate your own record label (with good bands, of course), you can make shit tons more money than people on major record labels in terms of record sales alone. its just a lot fucking harder than you would imagine to deal with all aspects of it, and youll never have the publicity that a major label can give with a wave of their hands. oh and also there is no million dolla signing bonus
>>8464941
kek

>>8464914
what's with grandparents and giving out disney shares? I too have got 1 free disney share at birth, I'm riding this baby to retirement, might even pass it down one day.

>>8465109
Because you Americans are not retarded regarding money and capital

I am an europoor and the more I look into the US markets, the more I understand why one shouldn’t go short the US on the long term and how well you guys understand value

>>8465109
hey it was a good call. too bad they didnt give you like 100 though. fucking cheapskates.

>>8465162
thanks man. lots of people on this site shit on the US so its good to hear some positives. what country are you from? and what particular differences do you see there? its nice to get a perspective.

ps come to america pls

>>8465169
kek well I forgive em, may they rest in peace.

4/20 SPY calls. Fed decision tomorrow is going to either make my day (10% chance) or completely knock me out of trading for good (90% chance). Anyone have thoughts on if they're really gonna increase the rate and if it's actually priced in or not?

>>8465521
>will they raise rates
yes
>is it priced in
yes

what isnt priced in is hints on what the fed is thinking will do long term. they fed is very cautious, they'll signal something a many meetings in advance. then every meeting they'll signal that the previous signal is still correct. if the fed signals that they're reconsidering a previous decision they've hinted at, that might shock markets. but everyone is expecting higher rates.

>>8465615
banks are thinking 20 years ahead
they keep buying because the markets are still drastically underpriced in comparison to 20 years from now
they dont care about politics, news, rates, tariffs, nothing, they use those as excuses to sell off and boost revenue, but they will keep buying, its free money forever

>>8465615
specifically people are worried about the total number of rate hikes this year. last year the fed signaled they want to hike rates 3 times in 2018 but people are jittery that the fed will signal it wants to hike rates 4 times in 2018 during this meeting.

its sort of a mixed bag. if the economy is strong, that's great and the fed will talk about it and people will get pumped but that means its more likely they'll signal 4 rate hikes this year. if the economy is weak they might signal 2 rate hikes but that sucks because the economy is weak. (though we're on the 3/4 border, not the 3/2 border so 2 hikes is really unlikely and would be worse than 4)

Are you ready for one of the biggest ride down in recent years guys? I'm really worried about the american indexes.

>>8465826
rates would still be low, and even if they did, they would only do it because of confirmation that the economy can sustain the current market growth

nikkei open 15 minutes

Stocks need to crash and burn already. 9 years of uninterrupted growth, what the fuck? I have 7 figs to invest and not a single dollar will go into any of it when its overvalued by 40%

>>8465806
ye
>>8465921
yeah, but we already know the economy is doing well so its the diffrence between 1% better economy and 33% more rate hikes. personally I'd rather see 4 hikes but either way the drama is the fun part.

>>8466022
http://awealthofcommonsense.com/2014/02/worlds-worst-market-timer/

>>8466045
I'm retired on this money, can't afford any crash to occur soon after I put it in.

>>8466022
your last chance was february before sp500 $3000

>>8466084
10% barely qualifies as a correction

>>8466073
the retirement nightmare
>too scared to put money in stocks
>interest rates are too low for bonds to be worth it

>>8466128
you arent looking at the context of the market though
the 2017 parabolic up happened for a reason

Oh god dammit the Japanese market is closed today because of "Vernal Equinox" I dont know

g-guys.. I bought 700 worth of stocks 3 days ago (trying to build my boomerfolio) and I am already losing money... is this normal here too?

Is there no escape for a JUST'ED soul ?

>>8466698
the economy is a meme we're shutting it down didnt you get the memo
thanks for buying my bags tho

Got like 15k in investment funds (global value + growth)
20k in US stocks
25k in EU stocks.

Will I die tomorrow?

>>8467252
we're crashing this plane with no survivors

>>8463084
anyone that tells you AMRS shilling is from a discord group, it actually the discord group trying to shill you their shit stocks...
Do your own DD on AMRS and you'll see why many are very bullish on this stock for a long term hold.
If you don't want to do your own DD then go to stocktwits and look at the feed of a user by the name of FinalThought. He will spoon feed you everything in his feed and you'll see why $100 is not out of the question
>10,000 share hold from $3.08

>>8463118
this is a legit price. IMO it's low

>>8467455

>>8467475
go short AMRS then if you think it's such a shit company. You don't have the balls to do that with the guidance and sweetner on the way, you bitch ass nigga

>>8467455
fuck off oh also buy drys its a bullish long term hold and going to 1,000 thats a legit price imo a little low

>>8467516
then go short AMRS and post proof you bitch. Go take your pajeet stocks elsewhere. AMRS and it's DARPA yeast is going to cure your boi pussy itch

>>8467546
no, you short drys you bitch see if I care damn its a shipping company everyone's gotta ship

>>8467557
The fuck you on talking about DRYS when I'm talking about AMRS...
>fucking liberals and their mental disorders

>>8467573
what the fuck is arms thats a body part lmao are you retard this conversation is about drys the shipbuilding company its going to the moon buy now

>>8467512
ay lmao

>>8463084
don't be a bitch ass like
>>8467475
>>8467516
>>8467557

Go ham for a long term hold on AMRS and you will drink their tears...

>>8467614
Nah Id rather buy something good like Ko

>>8467614
ignore to this man buy drys it has boats that literally sail on a sea of tears from desperate shorters they've got sailors with over a thousand arms it'll be the turnaround of the century

>>8467639
>>8467649
You can literally smell the curry from these pajeets

>>8467665
you have to be american to use robinhood

>>8467665
top kek you come into this thread with no contributions besides endless shilling and you expect people to listen to you fuck off about your shitty yeast company seriously they already exists its called a bakery lmao

bread, ever heard of it lmao

>>8467723
>ironic drys buyer
Literal scam company. Check market cap trend past ten years. You’ll lose 99% in that POS.

>>8467720
>>8467723
>implying i'm not MAGA and have RH for play money
Your work visas for HP don't make you American.
>p.s. Pakistan kicks your ass in cricket, which isn't a real sport

>>8467771
up 400% since july 2017 retard

>>8467800
I only buy big boy stocks, not pennyshit poorfag

>>8467881
sure you do warren buffet

>>8467914
I am warren buffet

>>8467977
You missed an opportunity to sell when you could’ve. You ain’t no Warren G

>>8468012
sell? hahahha
You clearly dont see my hedge position. Im long term
and anyways holy shit the chink HSI is mooning

Shill me on some good dividend stocks/funds /biz/. I want to quit my job and just be a neet.

>>8468207
EQR
F
MSFT
AAPL

>>8467802
And down about 50% from July 2015. Meanwhile share price is down 50% from July 2017. Z O O M O U T
>split adjusted price 5 years ago: ~$23,800,000
They diluted their shares to almost zero to save the company from bankruptcy. Yet people still buy it like it’s some world-class company. $10,000 invested 5 years is worth a fucking penny at best. Dilute, split, dilute, split, dilute, split. Oh and give old George a salary for the pleasure. Reverse splits in 2017 add up to something like 7,600:1. He doesn’t give a flying fuck about shareholders, he doesn’t even believe you exist. His quote “Who are my shareholders? Algorithms, hedge funds & institutions that make $10 and get out”. And both his companies are like this.
Admit it, you’re fucking gambling. If you want to try and catch some boner on the chart like Nov 2016 go right ahead. But lets not pretend this is an investable company. You know and I know this is the biggest POS on the market. Thankfully anyone with change to throw around know that too.

>>8467516
>buy drys its a bullish long term hold and going to 1,000 thats a legit price imo a little low

holy shit sholy shit the chinese stok market is definately going to all time highs again, this proves it, the SP500 must follow through

Brehs. How do I stop looking at my portfolio every 5 seconds and panic selling every 1% drop? How do I know when to buy and when to sell?

>>8462662
pls post that pepe

>>8468778
For me the best way to have comfort is to do some good DD. If you trust your work then you should be alright after the volatility, right?

>>8468778
>>8469223
this guy is right.. DD will hold you through FUD

>>8464844

I have $15k in crypto profits, should I go all in on Amazon on Robinhood?

>>8470571
sure

>>8470595
>>8470571

>>8467881
>>8467977
>calling others poorfag
>$1k account with only 1 position above $1 profit

>leave the thread for 10 hours
>come back to a bread full of rage

>>8470796
oh you're back

>>8470821
Good night <3

>>8470824
see you in the mornin

>>8470782
nigger I just got my account activated today theres a 1k limit at first