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Checkmate faggots.

>>834712
wew.

5/10 laddy

You sound like one of those Bernie shills who don't try at all.

>majoring in something just for money
You're going to fail. I majored in EE, because I love it. Too many fucking retards tried to major in engineering because hurr durr six figures salary. They failed out and now work as the local blowjob dispenser.

>>834707
nice aesthetics

>>834739
and od you enjoy your EE major?

Admittedly, my knowledy of EE is limited, but when I was is my aerospace/mechanical degree, it seems to be a factory spitting out obedient workers willing to spend the majority of their time analyzing the legal intricacies of a specific part of an alrger engineering project.

How does it feel to be a man who uses his leverage as an engineer to sign off on a very minuscule part of a larger engineering project?

Something goes wrong? Legally, the company has many options todivert the blame from them to one of their engineers who 'signed off' on a specific part.

HOw does it fel to have absolutely no creativity or freedom in you company?

Do they pay you enough to forgoe your long lost ambitions of creatvity? I hope so.

If I were you, I'd have several side projects in development, not just for career enhancement but for your daily life satisfaction.

That is assuming engineering is your passion, after all.

>>834740
hey, thanks buddy. check me out on pee
>>2635820

Donate sperm/gay camwhore

you get paid to sit at home and jerk off or put things in your butt, it's pretty low effort when you think about it...

You may even find out you like butt stuff, my ex-gf fingered me once and I thought it was pretty badass...

>>834741
>it seems to be a factory spitting out obedient workers willing to spend the majority of their time analyzing the legal intricacies of a specific part of an alrger engineering projec

Yeah bro there is only one company in the world in one position that you can work for as an EE. You are definitely pigeonholed into legalities on large portions of small projects and can never design anything. It's a good thing that all these mechanical engineers are designing these complex electrical systems.

It's truly sad times when someone with your lack of brainpower can work as an aerospace engineer. Since you admittedly have limited knowledge its probably best to not talk shit.

>>835016
I've met ''engineers'' who struggled doing simple derivatives.

>>834741
If you were already studying something , why do you even ask this question other than hating on people with economic degrees who have a decent salary?

The only thing that is outrageous salary wise is dentistry, might as well call it Jewry. They make salaries starting that is a little below a surgeon, a dentist. The bachelor required is easier than more math orientated studies such as physics, math and CS. Yet it isn't strange to find a dentist having twice their salaries, with potential to make a lot more if he or she were to open his own clinic.

I live in Europe, Netherlands though. All the majors that have decent starting salaries are around 2800-3200, they usually involve subjects like economics, computer science, fiscal economics, etc. Dentistry jumps right out of that with a starting salary at 6.000 euro a month. That's nearly twice modal. It is unfair some dentists are making 8000-9000 a month mid career while surgeons make 10.000 or so but had to learn a whole lot longer and had to make a lot more research.

>>835021
Probably because they don't work with derivatives and haven't used them since they were in college. Why do you think every engineer uses derivatives?

>>834685

salary =/= effort if you know how to network and know what you're good at.

find something that you can excel at, in a field that will always require a human component or personal touch to make viable.

Mechanical/civil/electrical/chemical engineering will keep you employed for life, starts in the low 40s in most areas, and you will top off with no extra education in the 60s after 5-10 years.

Computer science will let you reach low 100s after 5-10 years, especially SQL/database management for government contracting, since most people know it's a thing, but have no idea how the fuck to do it because it requires literacy in something they don't know about.

HIS/MIS for hospitals and large health care organizations will keep you employed for life.

Basically - anything that requires compiling AND interpretation will pay well even after most things get automated, because your job will be more and more about making specific reports for the budget committee AND giving CONTEXT to those numbers and reports.

I do private program development for healthcare organizations, meeting with patients, admins, budget committees, etc - most people still cutting the checks these days have 10-15 years before they go away and they're all too old and scared of what the world is like outside their office, makes them easy to impress.

>>835016
Hey cuck, I'm happy for you. It seems rare to find an engineering job that gives you a degree of freedom.

I always hear horror stories from my old engineer friends who have graduated and are now working for company x or company y. Their lives consist of designing a valve for 2 months and then spending the next 2 months filling out legal documents. These were mechanical grads, though.

As for me, I am self-employed. I work as a consultant for various start-ups advising them on drones. In my spare time I rig up autonomous vehicles capable of delivering 10lb+packages.

But good luck with "creative job" I see a bright future ahead of you man, one trivial electrical system at a time. Maybe you'll grow up, eventually.

>>835021
>hating on people with economic degrees

I wasn't trying to do that at all. If anything, I was praising economics for their stellar 'economic' decision making when it came to an education.

And dentists making 6000 euro a month? That's insane. I don't know how skilled the dentists are in the nederlands, but here in florida, they are lazy fucks who couldn't give a shit. I diagnosed myself (fluorosis) in front of my dentists and he basically said "sure, I guess" and proceeded to do a little teeth cleaning and hand me a bill.

Industrial Engineering

It's basically the 'engineering of business systems' at it's most basic. I graduated 2 years ago and I make 75k/year now and work 8-4:30 at a software startup. I'm really lazy. I was a terrible student and am not the greatest worker, but I've been moving up in the working world at a very solid rate.

>>835125
IE is the major that seems fancy when talking to the average person, but when you get down to it, there's nothing really special about it.

I would've done IE if my school had it, but I go to a shitty school.

>>835043
>electrical/chemical
>two best paid majors
>start at 40k

>>835109
I dont touch electrical systems but some do. I am an applications engineer who is also in charge of sales and marketing. So there's your "creative job."

>I make delivery drones
>people who do real jobs are children

Sure thing keep playing with your little RC toys big boy

>>834685
Is getting an econ degree really that easy in the US? From what I've heard some college programs won't even require high school level calculus.
This is what my undergrad macro econ textbook looks like over here in europe. Not saying it compares to physics or engineering, but saying "any shlumdum average iq driftwood" would easily understand it is kind of a stretch I think.

>>835143
If you aren't self-employed then you basically are still on mommy's tit. Only mommy is replaced by a corporate exec.

No offense, man. I know I'm portraying your work in the most negative way possible, but this is the extreme side of my opinion on being a part of the machine. *tip*

As for drone delivery services and automation in general, I don't understand how you fail to realize its potential. Civilian drone pilots are in high demand and most of them reach six figure salaries in a relatively short amount of time.

>>835132
It's fine. I'd definitely consider it one of the least challenging engineering majors out there. You're basically on the lower end of the engineering scale, but it's still a lot more substantive than a business major. It's like a more theoretical and quantitative business degree. I had a class or two with business major, and I assure you that their quality of classwork and caliber of individual is far lower than any engineering major.

Plus you get to say you're an engineer.

>>835198
>look up UAV operator jobs on Indeed, the largest job search site
>59 jobs listed in the entire country

>look up electrical engineer
>49,279 jobs

Wow what a high demand market. Keep on shilling.

>>835209
give it some time.

>>835215
There is one job per 5.4 million people. This isn't even a low demand field. This is a no demand field.

>>835125
How important is it to have a PE now?

>>835196
That was the BIGGEST annoyance of my US state college Econ program. Start the day taking Real Analysis. End the day in a upper division econ class that wants to talk about "marginal" something or other. They give you the function they want to take the derivative for, then EVERY FUCKING TIME any class requires you to do this, they spend an hour on how to take secant line approximations for the derivative. Yay! Way more computation and an hour of talking to avoid taking the first derivative of a linear equation!

Looking around the class, the 5 people who know Calc are bored out of their minds and the rest of the students have such blank stares that they look like a fly could go in one ear and out the other.

US education system, folks.

>>834685

If your econ degree has some math in it or you couple it with a double major or a minor in like stats then you'll probably do some pretty chill work for decent pay with good room to grow.

However I really believe you need to network properly. Join clubs or a fraternity to really put yourself in a good position to find a nice job.

I also would say accounting was easy although it made me want to put my head through my desk. I got great grades but I did not see myself doing that for a career. Although private industry work seemed really easy for no less than middle class pay.

Although there was a point in time where I thought about getting a phd in accounting because there was a huge lack of those and the starting pay was like 150k + benefits that grew nicely once you were seasoned.

I also believe computer science can provide nice returns for your effort if you have a natural knack for it since talented coders are sought after in the west coast and you can also do independent side projects or provide consulting for a lot of money.

Speaking of consulting, I know there's some IT people that specialize in very specific areas and provide consulting work to companies for anywhere of $100-$200 a hour - sometimes even more... Companies don't want to hire these guys full time since they don't need them yearly so they'd rather pay the high hourly price to save money overall.

>>835243
No idea. For me, not at all. I hardly even know what that is.

>>835196
What Uni do you go to ? Just curious.
I'm interested to see your curriculum because usually, we use Blanchard - Macroeconomics (this one is top kek though) in Undergrad and Romer in Graduate, no ?
Did Bs in Econ but not the master. Is there other textbooks as technical as this one ?
Thx for your reply.

>>835410
University of Munich. Of course we didn't go through the whole book in one semester and it was more of a reference book accompanying the lecture here and there. You probably would have passed the exam without it. But you would have gotten nowhere without knowing your way through multivariable calculus and things like optimization under multiple constraints (I guess thats calc III in US terms).
>textbooks as technical as this one
The only one I know of would be Sargent/Ljungqvist which is definitely grad level stuff. In micro we use books like Gravelle/Rees for undergrad and Mas-Colell for grad level. Most people won't read them though because the stuff is covered in the lectures and tutorials (on a level similar to the books).

I am double majoring in Accounting & Finance. Basically more practical in Economics.

>>835196
>Is getting an econ degree really that easy in the US?


There's no national standard. We have most of the top programs (MIT, Harvard, Chicago, Princeton, Berkeley) and a ton of shit ones.

>>835247
I go to a good state school with limited enrollment for all business school majors. We end up with a bunch of idiotic b-school rejects (not just finance rejects, marketing/management science rejects) majoring in economics, so I know how you feel.


Here you only need to take one low level calc course, intermediate micro,
and an economic statistics course. Intermediate macro isn't math intense and you can graduate by loading up on courses that aren't quant intense (economic history, development economics, etc).

>>834685
I'm an Econ major that just graduated. I had a job lined up before I graduated making $43k a year, which I don't think is bad.

I got a BS in economics and I really don't think it's fair to say it's an easy degree. Honestly most degrees aren't, or at least shouldn't be, easy. Some are just less marketable than others. Personally I think Economics is a good undergrad degree, and when combined with math and statistics it can be challenging and interesting as well. I really enjoyed my Econ classes, I got to take some data modeling and forecasting classes which I thought was cool.

Now, I'm not using any of that at my current job. I think just having a degree was what landed me the job, but it was still an overall worthwhile experience and I'm still considering grad school.

Most degrees can be as easy or as hard as you make them. As cliche as it sounds, you get back what you put in.

>>834685
after combing through jobs for the last few months, majors I wish I had a degree in:

Accounting
Finance
Computer Science

>>834685
My 2¢
Salary =/= effort
The best salary : effort (as far as education effort goes) would be to start working in high school and enter full time employment out of high school somewhere unionized and just bust your ass and save until you can afford to retire
Or
If you have good interpersonal skills go into sales as soon as you can (preferably vehicular or real estate), as these can be quite high paying and require little to no formal education

>>835848
tfw went this route

tfw capped at 40k without overtime and will only get cost of living raises

i mean i make loads of money for what I do, but I don't advise this for anyone with actual potential. >tfw wanting to throw away my job for a comp sci degree and everyone tells me I'm an idiot
>tfw dontcare

CS/MIS/IS/CIS hands down, if you're naturally good at it.

>>835938
in the workforce, is there really a big difference between the CS and IS disciplines?