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>>789165

Shark Tank

>plan to 'revolutionize' logistics
>make trucks and truckers useless

>Student graduate

Don't want to be negative but you need to be realistic, you need to seriously consider the parameters and details of this idea of yours. You might think you have it worked out but believe me you don't, even if you make it anywhere near a serious investor or even worse an existing company they will ask you the tough questions that you never even considered, no matter how much work you put into it.

>>789165
So what's your revolutionary idea? I can tell you it either already exists or it's unprofitable bullshit.

>>789181
i didnt quite worked it out yet but i have a functional model, including a performance to show to others. i know i have to secure my idea with some sort of patent

>they will ask you the tough questions that you never even considered, no matter how much work you put into it.

thats exactly what i want. i want to know what i dont know and methods to identify missing knowledge like

and about investors: how to find investors for newbies?

I can't help you without espefically asking you what it is, and I can't ask you to tell me what it is with any ensurance I won't steal your idea.
So I suggest you do your own homework here. Figure out how shipping companies work and extrapolate to whatever idea you have and how you'll manage it.

>>789196
If you're being serious a functional model with solid evidence of performance is a good start, but you will need long term business plan eventually.

>I want to know what i dont know
Sehr gut, but what makes you think that's what investors want? They want to see you have considered everything they have, if you can't answer these questions they wont back you.

On a side note since your German what makes you think for one second that the most efficient logistics company in Germany and Europe DHL hasn't considered your idea in some form?

And also if you genuinely believe that this will revolutionize the logistics industry why would you take it to an existing company? Look at the German DAX and HDAX markets, there has never been a better time to start a business.

1. Find muslims
2. Tell muslims packages are bombs
3. Tell muslims with packages to go 'bomb' the delivery address
4. Dumb muslim goes to delivery location.
5. ????
6. Profit

>>789205
>They want to see you have considered everything they have, if you can't answer these questions they wont back you.

so you mean only by trial and error i can learn how to talk to companies? that actually helps me a lot since i have now confidence to just try it a lot

i'm very VERY confident they didn't even dreamed of this idea since i would combine 3 of the most successfull logistic companies in germany to one big autonomus everyhting

To be honest you might as well just say what your idea is.

When I had just graduated university, a long while back, I had two really good ideas.
One was a free OS for a device like an 'ipaq' but with a nicer UI, and an online store for selling programs with low friction. The programs and high level OS UI would all be in Java. Whoever implemented this could control the users. Then Apple made the Iphone, and google made android and 8 years later my idea is implemented.
My other idea was an AR device a bit like HoloLense. I made some prototypes and talked to some opticians but then I got a proper job and forgot about it.

I wish I'd made a lot of noise. If you can think about this idea then it is probably just one of the next logical steps. If you mention it and someone points you to a company working on something like it, you can get in on the project before it takes off. You too can get that google IPO cheque. I didn't.

>>789215
since i think we're more or less alone here:

think about "railways" next to "Autobahn" where ship containers "drive" next to the driving lanes an rails, tracked via GPS, driving autonomus and powerd by electric.

my idea would be a global railway system from company to airport to train station to port to shops and depots

i hope you like it

>>789223
its not that anyone hasnt thought about this. The initial investment is just so enourmous that noone would be interested in/capable to even starting to develop something like this.

>>789234
first of all its not that expensive you might think

single rails whichs doesn't have to be as strong as normal rails could be installed simultaneous while building highways. it would be as pricey as building power pole lines

electricity is cheaper than gas and since i have no drivers, no cars i dont have to pay for petrol or taxes for workes and petrol

since logistic companies would use this solution they have to pay a rent for using the system, a monthly fee or a lifetime payment.

i would start building the system from airports to big local warhouses / depots where a lot of transshipment happens, slowly one after another. i also thought about lines from Rotterdam to Hamburg and so on

>>789223
So it's basically pic related except its shipping crates instead of passengers.

>>789223
There is already one lane where stuff is constantly transportet at 80km/h. In about 10-20 years they wount even need drivers constantly driving.

>>789252
i just thought about this: why not use "my" raillanes for passengers AND crates? thank you anon! this picture is pretty accurate to my idea, but it doesnt matter if its in the middle or on the side. maybe crates on the side and passengers high up in the middle for the view.
>>789254
why even pack the crates on the streets? why even build trucks when you can send the crate by itself? i know mercedes is building autonomus trucks but my idea is one step further

>>789259
OP your idea is nice but the cost/resources of building a network of high speed rails across Europe is ludicrous.

>where do the rails go within when they reach cities?
Over peoples houses? Over public streets and parks? Underground with incredible cost?

Why build more transport infrastructure on top of transport infrastructure, when they can just use the road using autonomous vehicles?

Its not as fast sure but the cost is nothing, especially with environmentally sustainable vehicles.

>Protip: People have been working on this for years.

>>789272
each city got depots outside of the city boundries. crates will arrive there and autonomus trucks can pick them up for further distribution. it will safe a lot of transportion costs when crates "drive" alone 20% - 50% of the way autonomus

>your idea is nice but the cost/resources of building a network of high speed rails across Europe is ludicrous

of course it is but do you really think i will build everything just in one go? as i mentioned earlier i would start with building one rail from an airport to a depot. once its running im sure many companies are interested to invest (which would be my part to make them investing)

OP here again: i'm very thankful for your help.

your idea is almost like this:
http://www.cargobeamer.eu/Technology-849174.html

but with huge initial investments

Most ports are state-owned, are they not?
So the infrastructure costs for this would have to come from the state.
But the ones who would benefit the most from this are private companies.
How would you compel the city do go forward with this?

>>789324
monthly fees for usage
similar to german "maut"

>>789328
How do you gain money from this?

>>789223
sorry to burst your bubble but that exists for at least 15 years now... I've worked in that environment. And it costed millions and millions and millions in development.

Picture related and do some background research into the port of rotterdam.

the vehicled shows drives without a driver (gps system) and takes the freight container from the ship to a nearby railway hub. The bigger vehicles drive on petrol, the smaller indoor automatic warehouse vehicles on electricity.

>>789165
The hyperloop already has blueprints and a prototypea being built. Sorry op

>>789341
and here is a video of it in case people think I talk bollocks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdNb5vi_23Y

Sorry but your idea sound kinda dumb, it's not like you want to create new road or whatever you just want to build next to existing road. To make shipment go only few kilometers faster.

My question : why would logistic companies invest in your project of a totally new structure to get automatic shipment when they already have not one but two structure that can be automatised ?

>>789196
>and about investors: how to find investors for newbies?

attend pitching parties. you're not gonna be able to get the attention of a big shot VC right off the bat. nowadays it's coliseum battle, winners move to the next round. you'll have to be comfortable with sharing your idea, or at least sharing enough of your idea to convince people it works.

I was having a similar phase but then I realized three things:
1) there are very few teams that can do what my people do under my direction
2) most other entrepreneurs are so wrapped up in their own shit they don't care
3) VCs don't need to steal your idea, because they'd rather have someone that nurtured the idea to execute it.

I suggest you start an independent company. I don't know what your idea is, but maybe offer cheap shipping between three larger cities. Show that it works. If it already works you don't have to go into as much detail as to how it works.

>>789215
This retard here. I have another idea:
When a lorry drives along, the square rear of the container creates a vortex causing drag. This increases fuel used.
If you look at a plane, they may have a stubby front, but the rear is sharp. The same is true of a lot of cars.
Sell truck companies a false back that attatches to the back of a shipping container. The back tapers off. It should be made of cheap, light materials.
You would need to do some simulations in solidworks to validate the idea, calculate what the likely fuel saving would be, and understand what engineering is needed to meet legal standards.
But fabrication is probably as simple as drawing up a CAD diagram and getting a chinese factory to knock a few up, collecting some data with a friendly trucker. There might be a patent, but I'd rather make money and then get sued for some of it than not make any.
See diagram for... diagram.

>>789464
Looking at this diagram, I propose we call them 'Road Nipples' or 'Truck Teats'

Why don't you just buy some seized abandoned supercars in dubai for next to nothing (for what they're actually worth) then sell in the u.s for a slight discount below retail.

>>789466
Damn it's a thing already.
Depressing.

>>789469
Look In to "base bleed"

>>789489
Well very interesting. /biz/ teaches you something every day! I'll have to think about how you could do this with a truck though... Maybe the exaust...?

>>789252

>>789497
Compressed air?

The air could be compressed with renewables. And it could be combined with the system above so you'd need less of it.