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>>7871072
Creed is god-tier

Creed silver mountain water urine is the best

im rocking this one.

Girls just seem to lose control for a bit when they smell me. this shit is so dominant, literally everyone notices me.

terre d'hermes

Aventus stopped being good a year or so ago when everyone started copying it. Men love it, but it's something women are just....meh on

>>7871250
Anon I had that one.

Smell is amazing but its weak as fuck. Unless you don't spray 3 times nobody's gonna feel anything. And it doesn't last at all... at the end of the day the smell is gone.

>>7871262
I've used this too. It's my favorite orange-y scent, but I don't know if I'll buy it again.

>>7871250
>so dominant, literally everyone notices me
I think you're doing it wrong.

>>7871412

its far from weak. i spray 2 times front, 2 times back and 1 time behind both my ears.

the scent literally sticks to me in a 2meter radius, and thats not me making shit up but actually girls walking up to me telling me i smell amazing

Dior homme, pretty classical I guess.

>>7871250
this is the one atm

literally had some roastie message me sayin she was wet from the smell

>>7871539
If you're in /s mode ok.
But if you're actually serious no fucking wonder its far from weak if you spray 5 times. Do you also spray behind your balls ?

>>7871626

lol whats the point of spraying less than 5 times. its the way to go if you want to be noticed.

Currently have anything from Paco's XS, XS black, Mugler's leather-scented one, Mugler's mint-scented one to Cartier's L'envol.
Reflecting salary raises before crypto.
I wish I had just bought one Aventus and got done with it, desu. The ones I have at home have a higher combined price and they'll expire before I can use them...

Mister Marvelous. Try something away from the mainstream.

I just don't use any. My girl has a fetish for my body odor. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>7871654
That doesn't sound good. If you're being noticed because of your cologne, you're doing it wrong.

>>7871072

Polo double black is an instant panty dropper

>>7871654
Yeah but there is a stronger version that they made of sauvage. I think id much rather get that new one than getting the normal one again. The new version has a bottle with a yellowish color. A friend of mine has it and it's 10x times stronger than the normal one. Smell is exactly the same though. I recommend checking that one out if you liked sauvage.

>>7871654
You want it to be subtle, not in your face. I spray three times (neck, body, wrist) and that's the right amount for most. If it's strong, I'll only do two. Five is total overkill.

>>7871268

Lol I wouldn’t know. I only wear pre-2013 Aventus.

Jk, 2 of these bottles are 14A01, which I love. I haven’t even smelled anything after 2014. Prices have been rising a lot recently I noticed. I predicted that and stocked up for life a couple years back.

>>7871072
hanne mori hm, has been my favorite for nearly 15 years.

>>7871072
My Creed doesn't last that long at all. Still wonderful cologne though.

>>7872200
For a long time Walgreens was the best online source to buy. They routinely had deals, and it was never any questionable quality like buying off Amazon.

>>7872224
>Hanae Mori HM
Yeah, I've used this too. But it's very sweet and can get lost.

If you don't know what this is or you don't wear it, please re-think your life.

>>7872200
>>7871072
thx just ordered some creed aventus in test size

>>7872368

Too gourmand.

Any of you fags actually think cologne makes a difference talking to girls?

>>7872515
yes a good suit and a good smell are important to set flags

>>7872515
I go for coke whores, so no not really

>>7871072
Chateau de Marly

http://www.pmarly.com/

You will thank me if you survive the waves of pussy that get thrown at you.

Move side, you vulgar plebeians

>>7871072
since i'll be spending most of my time gardening in the peace and quiet of my very private, very expansive palatial estate.

>>7872562
You ever walk past some random girl and she's wearing the perfume of an ex and it instantly takes you back in your head to some wild night where you're ripping each others clothes off?

Does it work the same way with women if so I want a cologne that can do that

>>7871072
cologne smells like shit and only serves to broadcast your insecurity

Perfume and Colognes are disgusting assaults on the olfactory senses and anybody wearing them is a fraud.

Clean yourself well, apply a mild odorant and anti perspirant, and go about your business. Anything else is vulgar and invasive. How dare you force other people to smell your prescence? So fucking crude.

>Here I am! Smell me!

Its even worse when you are forced to work in close quarters with this type of asshole.

>>7871539
>btw i'm 12 year old

>>7872653
t. nocolognez

>>7871849
Yeah, got to wonder if /biz/ is just pajeets, niggers and faggots at this point. What kind of man uses perfume?
Also, it's really cringy watching mutts worship anything with a french word on it. For us frogs it's just the shit metrosexual parisians use, a sign of effeminate weakness

Cologne is fucking disgusting.
Not emaning it in the baseline way, it's just disgusting how people use it...

You spray 2 times on the inside of one of your wrists, rub them together one time, then rub behind your ears down to your collarbones at the center.
This actually has a historical implication of why both men and women did it like this.

Firstly: dispersed on the skin makes it less obnoxious and hard on the nose, also it mixes well with the baseline scent of a person.
Second: in olden times, perfumes were used like this because a lady would usually get into physical contract from a male from either a kiss on the hand or on the cheeks.

So next time you spray away wildly and smell like a sweaty alcoholic, who lost all sense of smell, just remember this post.

>>7872572
>320 a bottle
>wears off within 2 hours
May as well wear poverty aftershave

>>7872676
After shave is a must tho,remember to groom yourself you dirty nigger. Also refer to my post above.

>>7871539

this has got to be bait

>>7872706
You are nigger-tier intelligent. The reason you put cologne/perfume on the wrists and neckline is because the skin is thinner there and the warmth from the bloodflow makes the scent last longer. Kys.

>>7871072
I only use this rare, discontinued Star Trek cologne.

>>7871072
this unironically smells like an old man

>>7872754
Admit it that you just google how to apply perfume, cunt.

I admit i didn't know this, but calling me a retard for providing insight is just uncalled for.

>>7872802
This is discontinued and has a stupid name.

Davidoff Cool Water is patrician gold tier

>>7872958
this

I'd like to know if any one of you get laid wearing these.

>inb4 stinky faggot, I wear 212 VIP Men

>>7871072

>None of you use pheromone sprays
Die alone, peasants.

>>7873029
Not a huge fan of Versace. My only regret purchase as an adult was The Dreamer, and ever since then, I've avoided them.

>>7873029
I also have this. It's a tad too fruity.

Give this a try anons if you want a good cologne. Woody/leathery scent which works really good at night. Strong scent which stays on you for a good 4 - 5 hours, the best part is how long the smell stays with you.

People turn their heads wondering who's wearing it.. honestly give this one a try people

Do yourself a favour.

>>7872777

virgin

>>7872958
>>7873009

it was back in 96

best

I only really use dolce and gabbana the one and ysl la nuit and I get mad compliments. As nice as aventus is, I hear most girls don’t like it.

>>7871072
I think I'll stay STINKY

>>7873746

>>7871072
If you're not using Jivago 24k then you are a literal virgin

This one is easily in the top 5

Issey Miyake. Just fucking buy it. it's awesome and when i tell people it's japanese they automatically think i'm a baller.

>>7871072
Try creed silver mountain water and givenchy play sport

>>7874371

been using this since like 2003, it's very good.

>japanese
>baller

what weird people do you hang with?

All of you are wasting money on bullshit.

All you need are either of these two deodorants, and you're fine. I had plenty of roasties tell me I smell nice. Granted they had to come close to me to smell me, but that's the point.

pic related as fuck.

Ralph Lauren Double Black and their Blue are my favorite

All time favorites for the evening
Santal and Royal oud

For the summer
Himalaya and Virgin island water

Notable contenders
Millesime Imperial, Vetiver classic,

>>7871876
This nigga knows

>>7871250
This cologne sucks. You smell like LITERALLY every other Brad in existence.

I’m not saying it smells terrible, it smells fine. It’s just generic as FUCK. The girls that are attracted to the smell are going to be basic as fuck. It’s just the most generic cologne out there right now. If you don’t mind being a cookie cutter version of a human being, then this cologne’s for you.

>>7874371
Clean by Issey is amazing. Favorite for 6 years.

I use Eau de Cologne. My first scent and just sticked with it.
Anybody else knows this one?

>>7874509
>Millesime Imperial
Is this worth the price? Does anyone notice it or does it just get lost like the Issey Miyake or Hanae Mori?

>>7871072
My favourites:
Club de nuit intense man (Aventus clone), mont blanc individuel, versace dylan blue, Green Irish Tweed

Hugo Boss Energise.

My favorite for years.

Cheap but good.

My wife likes Curve of all things, but I refuse to wear that shit. I wear Creed Aventus and Royal Oud.

>>7874638
I believe this is what The Most Based One wore. Nice choice famalam

>>7874638
why does it look like a bottle of vodka coming from India?

>>7874638
my grandma uses Kölsch Wasser

t. german fag

Why do the french call it ''eau de toilette''?

Doesn't that mean toilet water?

>>7871072
>And good cologne isn't cheap.
That's where you're wrong.

>>7871072
OP this is is high st trash. You absolute degenerate, you should be hung for making a thread and putting this in here.

>>7871250
Fresher high st trash again. Savage is so bad wearing it drove Jonny Depp to beat his wife.

>>7872802
Good grief

>>7873029
Just rub nigger piss on yourself


At the moment I am wearing the ex nihilo range, right now Parisian panache and molecule later when I go out.

>>7875015
>Ex Nihilo
I've heard good things about their Vetiver, but never tried it in person. And I'm unwilling to do a blind buy.

Non-mainstream top tier coming through. When someone asks what you're wearing, you can just say "Rhinoceros"

I have a drawer full of different fragrances, I love collecting them, but this is always my go-to signature scent.

Just read their description of the fragrance:

Under the searing gaze of an unrelenting sun, the ornery Rhinoceros surveys his dusty territory. A tough, battered hide is his armor against the erosive onslaught of sand, whipped into a frenzy by a hot, merciless wind, as he stands strong, defending his domain.

On first spray, Zoologist Rhinoceroscharges forward with a heady note of sweet rum. Like a wild drunken beast, it cavorts until it comes to settle into a slow, rhythmic yet relentless beat - the rugged, raw aroma of leather. Frolicking around the edges is a rich blend of smooth tobacco, smoky vetiver, dried herbs, strong pine and bitter agar. Rhinoceros is a complex, intimidating and masculine scent that makes a bold, unapologetic statement. Go forth and explore your world. Don’t ask permission.


>>7872706
You crush the top notes and alter the scent profile when you "rub" it into your skin you fucking dumb ass. Read a book sometime.

Pic related the one and only

>>7875387
Nice find anon, just checked it out on Basenotes and I'm intrigued. What else is on your list of non-mainstream top-tier?

>>7871654
Fucking autism.

You are illustrating lack of self awareness, and most autists can’t understand subtlety either.

Everyone thinks you Fucking stink.

The people you want to think you smellngood should have to be close to you to notice. That makes you mysterious, subtle, and it’s almost like a little secret that the two of you share (women love that).

Women also love when you are THEIR good smelling guy. If everyone in the office can smell you, you’re a joke. I promise.

>TLDR: You stink, pic related is you

>>7875503
This guy is a good pocket pick for cold night romantic dates. It's Barrister and Mann's Fougère Gothique. Not an expensive pick either, about $90 a bottle. This guy makes very complex fragrances that evolve vividly throughout their wear. He mostly makes shaving soaps but got a good reputation from there and went to making top tier fragrances as well.

This guy is strong and lasts long though, and some may be turned off by it's damp forest and mushroom notes, but my girlfriend and I find it to be really well balanced with all the other notes in it so it comes off as unique and inoffensive.

>An elegant, alluring composition in the classic fougère style, Asmodeus himself could not have chosen a more fitting fragrance. Notes of lavender, oakmoss, tonka, balsam fir, bergamot, vetiver, geranium, cedar, earth, sandalwood, musk, leather, and tuberose are darkened by the touch of Hell, kissed with the essence of ashes and the smoldering flame.

I literally collect fragrances and indie/non-mainstream brands seem to always be my favorite; probably because they take more risks to stand out from the crowd. Fragrance is as personal as clothing, so finding a style you're really into can be enlightening. It's also a plus if you're able to coordinate your scent with what you're wearing. Am I wearing some reds and browns? Rose themed cologne. Am I wearing a jean or leather jacket? Get something with lots of leather or sandalwood. Am I wearing bright colors like purple or pink? Go for something gourmand fruity, etc.

Wearing Aventus for more than a year now. Tried some else from Creed, but this is still the best.

>>7871072
Thos is my exact combo, but im still poor so I buy decants off ebay

Koros still king tho

Joop

Tom Ford Noir Extreme
Just do yourselves a favour and head to the nearest shop to try it
Every single time I put it on I got bitches hugging me just to smell me

every girlfriend I ever had loved this fucking cologne

>you made it edition
>market crashing

Guess I'll stick with old spice

But seriously anons. If you are rich and not larping. Why not own pic related? You can smell creed all over wall st. It's become a sheepfag scent.

>>7875781
Damn, thanks. Exactly what I was hoping to find in this thread. I'm not a fan of blind buys, but this would be impossible to test, so I placed an order.

Also, pleasantly surprised their website accepts BTC through Bitpay.

I'm personally a fan of the Woody scent colognes.

Those who know, know.

>>7875461
nice, piggot

that shit lasts all day, and the citrus-y smell is godlike

someone told me that the entire room filled with perfume when I walked in kek and I only applied 2 sprays

perfect balance between manly and exotic, not excessively manly or cheesy or too classic, like musk or amber

this perfume is worn by people that are taller than 1.90 / 6'3, real men who have real gains

>>7871072
I have high testosterone so I don't need cologne. women can just sense it. not exaggerating.

>>7876392
Good pick anon. My fiance loses control when I wear this

>>7876631
It's fucking awesome

>>7871250

i like it but my woman doesn't.

she likes armani code, and i kinda do too but i miss my versace eros.

might wear the eros tonight just to fuck with her.

>>7876392

yup

Faggot shit

and no, I am not a faggot.

>>7877157
Anon, I picked up a shot glass display case that had removable shelves and I put all my my colognes there. It keeps them more organized than having them all jumbled on a dresser.

>>7871072
really like this oud

also wear cartier declaration dun soir, a personal favorite in fall months, and probably my most complemented/loved by women

Hermes narcisse de bleu, a lovely melancholy rainy day spring scent, i get compliments on this too if that matters to you

viktor rolf spicebomb for the holiday/winters. women like it but im sort of meh on it..its ok.

Would love to explore the frederic malle/roja brands, but im poor.

Enjoy your hormone disruptors

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Patrician tastes. Here's my collection.
Silver Mountain Water is my go to, it's very fresh, a good all purpose scent.
A*Men Pure Malt is my fav gourmand, aged in whiskey barrels, it has a nice smokey-ness. Good for fall nights or dinner at a steakhouse or something meaty like that.
The CdG MAN2 is pretty unique and needs special situations, smells a bit like church incense lol.
In the back is JPG Le Male which is a bit of a classic, easy wearing, powdery smell. Good summer scent.

As an actual Chad I just want to tell you all that cologne is retarded and should be avoided. Spend your money on a nice soap but that should be the other perfume you're putting on your body. I'm even against deodorant but I don't sweat much so I can understand if you need it, but go for understanding scented if possible. You are wasting your money on colognes.

>>7875587

this. spraying 5 times is fucking retarded and is what roaches and other shitskins do. they stink up a 4 meter radius area

>>7877347
This unfortunately. Would only rub essential oils like tea tree or peppermint on my body. Nothing is more attractive than natural scent anyway if your chad it doesn't matter

>>7877455
Chads dubs speak

>>7876366

too sweet

>>7877295

>display case for your cologne

I guess as long as it's not sitting in the living room

>>7872368
cheese water. nice

>>7877455

optimally soap shouldn't have perfume in it though.

>>7877455
Meant to say unscented deodorant.

>>7877578
Optimally yes and your face soap shouldn't definitely. But for your body it's whatever as far as I'm concerned. Unless you have really bad skin. Also be sure to exfoliate.

>leather
>oud wood
>spices

also using Valentino Intense for less aggressive chad days and more "you smell this? imagine my cock" attitude

>>7871072
A real man smells like a real fucking man, not some flowery faggot. Bathe with unscented soap and let your own pheremones put out the vibe, not some overpriced Jew juice.

Cologne is anti-masculine

I'm saying this as someone who used to spend far too much money on niche fragrances. Fragrances are for insecure Brads.

Stop wearing all fragrances, including deodorant.

Eat healthy, exercise and wash regularly.

>>7871539
t. arab shitskin at an american university

>>7877734
And don't shampoo often.

>>7875461
used it for too long, now kinda sick of it.
plus it's so fucking powerful it annoys me after a couple of hours.

>>7877157
i don't know about that anon, you look kind of fruity.

>>7877157
oh there is another dude wearing valentino intense in here

>>7877870
lmao thanks. should have photoshopped that one out.

>>7871072
Is Aventus Creed actually good? I swear I don't know if it's good or just a bunch of neckbeards hyping something really expensive.

Also kinda unrelated but I remember once I had to rush to uni, I hadn't showered in two days and had gone on a massive fapping spree. Some was saying I smelt really manly. LOL.

Still a virgin though.

>>7877932
multiplying vectors...
enhance, ENHANCE!!
engaging retinal scan....
location locked, fire the tomahawk missiles

>>7877987
>Is Aventus actually good?
As >>7875781 said earlier, it's as subjective as clothing style. Each can smell differently on skin, so it's more of a feel than exact science.
Personally, I've used it since it came out (and can't attest to post-2014 formulation). Paying for a $30 bottle will result in a chemical-y scent but paying the money for a "good" one is worth it in my opinion. There's a reason why it has hype. Another good (and cheaper) one that I haven't seen here is YSL's La Nuit de l'Homme.

I change mine depending on weather and/or season.

this stuff smells amazing and lasts longer than any cologne ive owned

>>7878144
>YSL's La Nuit de l'Homme

was one of my favourites, but quite weak during long days. don't expect the chad ooze if that's what you're looking for.

>>7874994
Toilette is also a word for bathroom kind of. It's more like cleaning water. Any French pls correct me

>ctrl+f Nasomatto
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fucking plebs

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>>7877440
>Creed
>god tier
>patrician

Nope. Creed is entry level but for some reason people think its god's tears in a bottle. You're at least doing better than these guys:

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>>7878163
Who have only put their nose on stinkwater sold at drug stores and the mall.

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>>7878490
And these guys have a clue.

Even though I've tried hundreds of different frags I'd ultimately agree with the no-cologne posters. Fragrance is best kept a personal indulgence, not something to make people around impressed and attracted. If you want to let whatever the lowest common denominator among women dictate your choices though, godspeed.

And it's funny to always see newbs saying things like "panty-dropper," "gets compliments all the time," "godly" and "patrician" for completely ordinary fragrances. Imagine going on /fa/ and saying similar things about Casio, Timex, and Citizen, or going on /o/ and claiming the Mustang or WRX are the greatest cars ever made.

>>7874994

A toilette is a shaving accessory originally. It came into modern use for "shitter" as a euphemism.

>>7877744
You don't wear it for other people, dingus. You wear it for yourself. Just like how you wear your clothes for yourself. Wearing something for the sake of impressing others before yourself is the anti-masculine thing to do. This is the same as people who say wearing pink or purple is anti-masculine. If you have no style, and you have no grace, then you may have a funny face.

Men don't wear perfume.

>>7878552
One million is great kys

>>7878654
t. high schooler

>>7871072
Chanel Allure Homme Sport is my favorite

>>7878646
this thread is about cologne

>>7878552
Have you not tried Mankind? Of course not, you probably prefer fruity gay colognes.

here's my creeds. i have other stuff, but these are my creeds. aventus,GIT, and royal oud are great

>>7878809
You're both wrong. Cologne and perfume have kinda been bastardized over time to become gendered terms. Colognes are just weaker than perfumes but in essence they're the same. The difference isn't in the way they smell, it's in how much fragrance is concentrated in the alcohol.

There's nothing inherently masculine nor feminine about either. Colognes are about as strong as your aftershave and will probably last only an hour tops. Most if the fragrances here aren't weak enough to be colognes, and I'd question why someone would pay top dollar for one.

>>7878588
People who say they "wear it for themselves" are mostly liars, just as people who buy Lamborghinis claim they only bought it for its speed and quality. The remainder are wasting their money.

>>7878654
Of course the guy who wears cinnamon bubble-yum is the first to get offended.

>>7878833
Says the guy who likes the pineapple ginger cologne. I prefer incense and leather themes since you asked, though.

>>7871072
>>>/fa/ ggot

>>7878971
>incense
>leather

curious why you didn't like my picks then >>7877730

>>7878490
yeh no thanks, bought a bottle of black afgano for like $200 and the shitty bottle wouldnt even seal right, half my shit ended up evaporating. Couldve bought another share of nvda, WASTE

>>7878971
Thanks for the recommendations. Which Nasomatto do you like? And I've seen posts on Jubilation XXV, but never done research into it.

>>7878971
u dnt know shit about ouds if u dont recognize acqa di parma's as one of the best.

>>7878880
MILO

Versace Eros is the best for going out, smells magical and evokes a feeling of "anything's possible". Feels like being a teen again when the whole world seemed open to you and the future held promise of a better life

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>>7878971
t. Shit taste

>>7878917
oh this thread isn't about Cologne?

oops

ADG year-round for me lads rate me

>Needing cologne to attract the attention of women

How fucking ugly are you guys? I haven't used cologne in like 8 years, and I've had no problems getting pussy or attract peoples attention.

Or is everyone in this thread 18 year old soyboys?

>>7874994
"Faire sa toilette" means taking care / cleaning yourself.

>>7878880
>milo

>>7873351
Shit smells like mosquito repellent

>>7879014
Its fine, there's nothing wrong with a lot of mall-juice. There's nothing wrong with cheap or old stand-bys either. It's just when people start to declaim they've got their hands on god's secret I start to have an autistic fit. No, you got something that was released as a seasonal christmas gift. All that said if you like orientals I'd suggest getting an original one over a trendy flank (Bulgari was about 4 years too late to get on the oud train). Amouage has a range of oriental offerings some more classical and some more modern. Tauer's Desert Marocain has a sweetness that is tasteful rather than too powerful as was the trend at the time. Comme des Garcons' Avignon is basically the reference fragrance for incense. Even if you dont want a bottle its worth knowing how deep incense can go. As for leather, Knize Ten is quintessential, and the scents of the times have come and gone to such a degree Ten actually smells new again. As for oud notes, ugh, I'm just glad that note is on its way out of trend.

Browse the Serge Lutens catalogue and order samples of any that stand out to you too. You already seem to have a taste and notes you prefer, now you get to the fun part of exploring what is all out there. The market has exploded since I started almost a decade ago, it must be more difficult to wade through all the chaff.

>>7879058
Black Afghano and Absinth, though it has been awhile since I've had them. JXXV is good, it's like a pop album that is also critically acclaimed. Original, complex, and also bridges toward mainstream appeal.

What a bunch of plebs who haven't heard of Tom Ford.

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>>7879115
Yeah it just started autoplaying on YouTube and I paused it part of the way through and never finished it, so it's just been there. Didn't notice till you guys pointed it out. What's wrong with Milo?

>>7879810
I'm surprised it took this long to see Tom Ford ITT. You'd think we'd still have holdovers who picked up Tom Ford after hearing the Drake song. Also surprised the first mention of AdG was over a hundred replies in. Are aquatics finally dead?

>>7879729
bof, never stated i've got god's secret in my hands breh. i just bought the two perfumes i liked the most after weeks of trial and errors.

gonna check out some of those names, but i'd really like to try them on my skin first. some scent get warped so much they're barely recognizable.

black orient wasn't really convincing at first, but holy fuck after a full day i was sold.

>>7879810
tried the tom ford oud for example. loved it. after 1 hour it smelled like shit soap though. again, my skin is a bitch with fragrances

T O P L E S S

>>7878552
Look at this faggot thinking he's some kind of fragance master.

You should make a living out of it and start selling perfume at your local mall.

>first mention of AdG was over a hundred replies in.
Is Aventus the new AdG?

>>7880107
Why don't you come up to the show? Yeah, you're gonna get topless. T O P L E S S. Topless.

>>7881067
Probably, but the price of Aventus will keep it from ever having the same popularity