/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>758067
>my younger brother (Freshman)
You should know as his older sibling and having gone through the process of college applications, or at the very least, have friends that did who you could refer your younger brother to.

>>758072
And he doesn't, that's why he's asking.

>>758067
http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Into-an-Ivy-League-School

I was just wondering what the criteria was. Like how important in HS is:

>your attendance
>clubs
>grades
>money

>>758067
those flags remind me of harry potter.

>>758119
Harry Potter is basically a lower class British fantasy about getting into Eton and pummeling aristos, who just wish they'd fuck off back to their baked beans and football.

>>758119
>>758128
aren't ivy league schools, literally, based on the british public school system?

Bump

>>758067
remember: it costs 56k a year to study over there

>>758185
Tuition and fees at Cornell is only $47,050 :^)

Hopefully I can help here,

I am an Admissions Officer at Dartmouth. While we are not holding students to the same exacting standards as Princeton, Yale, or Harvard we do expect many similar things from our applicants. Which I can confirm from my contemporaries at those schools. I can be very specific with you about applying to Dartmouth or less specific about the process in general.

The most important thing is academics. Unless your brother has an extremely unique and moving story about his upbringing your grades are what makes us even take the time out of our day to consider a perspective student. Generally applicants to Ivy League schools have taken honors or upper level courses from their 9th year and have not let up on them all the way through their 12th year. We do offer a section on the CommonApp if there are specific inconsistencies but that section does not mean we are lenient. Here we generally say that if a student got one C in high school that they are put at the bottom of the list, the HYP schools probably do that for a B. We want our applicants to be competitive and take initiative in all of their endeavors. Specifically we prefer students to take more math and science courses than social science courses, we require at least 2 to 3 years of a language but give preference to those with 4. We never even see the attendance rate of a student unless it has been made as a special note of the school or if perfect attendance was specifically said by the student. We prefer to see over 2000 on the SATs and above 30 on the ACTs. Occasionally it is also helpful to explain specific cases if we also get to see administered WAIS IVs.

Extracurriculars like clubs and athletics are also important. Part of admitting students is engineering a class. This year we had just over 2000 students apply with flawless grades. That means that they were in the top 2% of their graduating class and had over a 2350 on the SATs. Not all of those people got in. Cont:

>>758213
>tfw I'm a high school drop out
>tfw these requirements

I knew these Ivy League schools were hard, but oh my fucking God.

>>758213
Those students with flawless grades didn't get in for a whole range of reasons. Some of them wrote essays that conflict with the type of space we want our campus to be (one specific student wrote about why being a militant Libertarian was acceptable). But more often than not those students had 0 extracurriculars. Even doing 1 club or sport increases your stock exponentially. The same goes for working a job over 10 hours a week.

We are also need blind. None of our admission decisions are made upon whether a family can pay or not. If your family cannot afford it but that is the only negative on your application then that person will be accepted 10/10 times. This is not to say that it works the other way around. If someone indicates that they will not be seeking financial aid in any way they are more likely to be accepted due to them being less of a financial risk for the college. Same goes for legacy students and families that make continual donations. You have to remember that each time we accept someone from an underprivileged family what we are doing is taking a calculated financial risk on them. Generally to the tune of about $200,000. Which ties in with all of the above. The more complete the applicant is to our eyes. The more likely they are to be accepted. We prefer to see the whole story, not just one specific piece.

Another thing to note is the interview process. We conduct interviews with the applicant in person with alumni or over Skype with current students. These are not mandatory but I highly suggest them. If every application is compressing a person into 5000 words the extra 1000 from an interview helps an unbelievable amount.

>>758218
I completely agree. Unfortunately it won't get easier. With the amount of flawless students coming from China and India there are more applications than ever.

pretty hard

I couldnt even get into notre dame and i scored a 33 on my ACT, was an eagle scout, a 4.0 student, in two varsity sports, and the leader of two clubs, also I did volunteer church work


It's probably because I'm white tbh

>>758235
notre dame is filled with pasty white people, though

>>758213
>>758232
Do you even accept non A students?

>>758116
All As, lots of hard classes (think AP), AP scores of 34 and up, money is irrelevant for now (ivy leagues are good with scholarships), stay in good behavior, superb essays on college apps, rave letters of rec from teachers, involvement in sports and clubs (leadership positions+)

>>758134
No, the new england prep schools are based on that (for example, mark zuckerberg went to exeter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillips_Exeter_Academy.).) Ivy League is based on oxbridge.

>>758067
>get into Princeton
There was a Chinese guy who scored perfectly on his SAT and did NOT get into Princeton.

The answer is well-known - get very good grades (all A's and A+'s is good), score very high on your SATs. Do some extra-curriculars, maybe volunteer at some charity once in a while.

>>758067
Be black.
Be rich.
Be related to someone rich.
Or a combination of the three.

I know three people from my HS who got into Ivies:

1. Black kid who grew up in the hood. Dad walked out, oldest of 7 kids. Worked 2 jobs to help his mom raise his siblings in lieu of slinging yay. Despite this, he was a starter on the football team, VP of Young NAACP (turned down president responsibilities because he didn't have the time), active in church, got a 1490 on the old SAT, a 33 ACT, and graduated in the top quarter of his class. His essay was about overcoming the temptations of the hood and trying to convince friends to stop dealing while attending their neighbors' funerals. Repeatedly. Graduated in 2009 with an English degree, moved his mom and clean/not dead siblings up with him in Connecticut.

2. Girl who got into Cornell. Both her parents are legacies. She was a varsity pole vaulter who went to state and won her senior year, first violinist in the orchestra, graduated #2 in her class, 15-something SAT, 33 ACT. AKA "your typical Ivy kid." Graduated with a statistics degree and last I checked was working on her MBA at Harvard.

3. Guy who went to Penn. Valedictorian, perfect SAT and ACT, Eagle scout, symphony orchestra, and did a lot of volunteer/ride along work with the hospitals. Dad went to Penn State, mom went to Harvard. Graduated cum laude from Penn and then top of his class 4 years later from Penn Med. Right now he's doing his residency at Johns Hopkins Children's.

>>758426
Forgot, the black kid went to Columbia.

>>758426
>black kid from the ghetto
>busy as fuck
>still does better than 90% of the population on the SAT and ACT
Jesus

>tfw poor

>>758426
Since when is Penn State an ivy? Lel.

>>758341
Yes. But generally students who are admitted with substandard grades have something that makes them very unique. A good example is William Kamkwamba who coauthored The Boy Who Harnessed the Wind. He did not even attend a high school but was admitted due to extraordinary ambition and interest.

>>758465
UPenn is what he is talking about.

>>758465
Connection to the state of Pennsylvania. Unlike HPY, Penn is on amiable terms with their public, in-state neighbors.

>sacrificing your youth for muh prestige

I got into a couple of Ivies (I think I got into maybe 3 out of the 6 or 7 that I applied to). Pertinent stats:

>Non-minority, middle-income with no legacy, connections, etc. to any Ivy.
>Top 1% of my class at a decent public school.
>97th percentile on SAT, a couple of 5s on AP tests.
>Good but not great extracurriculars. No major leadership positions or anything really extraordinary, but very varied in subject. Included both performing arts and (non-varsity) athletics, for example.

I'ma cornell student.

The key is to start building a resume as soon as possible. Be very diverse and show interest in different types of activities, excelling in or leading as many activities as you can. Start else arching what you may want to study in college and pick high school courses based on that. Take hard classes and do well in them. Build good relationships with your teachers so they give you better grades.

I got mostly B+/A- grades throughout high school but I am also in a unique major and wrote a great essay.

Don't apply to an ivy lightly. The amount amount of work here is actually insane and I personally witnessed someone jump off a bridge two weeks ago. State school could be a better fit, depending on career interests.

Hope this helps.

>>758535
Are you implying you can't have fun at an ivy

>>758539
I will be attending cornell this fall (Exchange student) should i live on or off campus ? (23yo last year of bachelor)

>>758218
i fucken know right i'm not a highschool dropout but i was basically on the verge of one and know wonder this shits prestigious

>>758235
probably cause you aren't catholic lol

>>758405
Ther wuz a chines gai??

cool story barp.

>>758232
Is having a job valued more than an internship or vice versa?
Do you need to know exactly what you want to study/do in your life.

>>758544

http://www.vice.com/read/going-to-an-ivy-league-school-sucks-400

>>760174
>>758535
>all this self validation for having inferior lives compared to other people
>being this insecure

>>760076
depends on hours a week and what kind of internship/job
the more relevant to what you are studying the better.
No you don't have to know what you want to study, but if your paying 50k a year you better find out fast.

Alright, I go to Penn, just finished sophomore year. If I had to give any advice it would just be as good an application as you can be, and beyond that it's luck of the draw. I had a 2300ish SAT in high school, a 4.0 GPA with a ton of AP classes. I did fairly significant community service work, played a sport ect. I applied to every ivy except dartmouth and got waitlisted or denied from every one but penn. I think at the point where you're competitive, it's a lot of luck to get in with acceptance rates being so low. So do your best, apply all around.

Most important factor is to claim native american/black/hispanic heritage (in that order, claim it as long as you are 1/8 or more)
If you are white/asian then your best shot is Cornell by far. Top 5% and 2200 SAT, aka around the same as you need for top tier public schools (ex. Berkeley)

Okay faggots

I'm going to dispel this shit right now because it appears like there's a bunch of people who don't *really* know what they're talking about but who still wanna comment on getting into a top 20 USNWR school

I'm currently a freshman at Harvard

SAT: 2260
ACT: 36

Both taken once

White

Played 4 years of high school basketball and baseball (not anywhere close to being recruited)

Did HS Debate (was pretty good, but nothing insane)

GPA 3.97 2 Bs freshman year 1 B sophomore year
Took 11 APs, 5s on all of them

Got accepted into Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford, and Wharton.

Was rejected from MIT, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke

Waitlisted at Yale, Amherst, Berkeley engineering, and Rice

Safety schools not mentioned

Guys, you need to actually display passion, be an interesting person, apply to a lot of schools, and get lucky. But don't go tell qualified high schoolers all this bullshit about "if you're white or asian don't bother"

>>760174
>vice
Didn't even bother clicking the link

>>758067
a large percentage would be based on luck, you would have to have the minimum credentials to even be considered to be in the Luck equation.

>>758116
>attendance
Not only can schools not check your attendance they don't care. Good grades, hard classes, good act/sat scores, doing sports/clubs (real ones), and lots of leadership and shit is what matters.
Source: I personally know 10+ people who went to ivys including my dad.

FYI, IVY league is a scam if your family doesn't already have money or connections.

There is factually zero benefit if you were not already part of the elite before you went.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/05/college_bound_student_turns_down_all_8_ivy_league_schools_for_univ_of_alabama.html

BTW, that was a news story that came out today and I just grabbed the first hit of it. It's on every major news site for the ad hom fags

>>761088
I said this without thinking actually, attendance isn't important to colleges but it is important for you. I personally never skipped school and it helped me out so much. Whenever my buddies would just skip a period or two it hurt them off in the long run badly. Go to school as often as you can.

everything everyone else has said applies but also: play a weird competitive sport

squash, rowing, shit like that

>>761073
>cnn
>npr
>vice
>fox
anything else?
>onion

Personally, I consider the Ivies to be irrelevant school with student bodies made up almost entirely of superstudy Asians and children of bankers. I would rather hire somebody with a solid middle class background who graduated from a good state or Catholic school with a 3.5 or higher.

My two cents, I had a 2200+ SAT, one or two Bs throughout all of high school, Honors, sports, volunteer, the whole nine yards and still got rejected from every Ivy. (Was pining for Cornell too). I'm white and while I'm a pretty good writer (have experience and accomplishments in writing as well), I really thing my essays were the thing that held me back. Tbh I wasn't a terribly interesting or jump off the page candidate. I didn't code the backend of website in my sophomore year, didn't play the viola in the state orchestra that changed my life, no interesting story of hardship that would get an admission officer "hot and bothered."

So my advice, being anall around solid applicant is a prereq for an ivy, but definitely have something unique that you're good at and will set you apart in the essay category (unique experience, accomplishment, hardship, viewpoint, passion)

>>761138
the thing is in order for those things to actually help your admissions you need to be the best in the country at them. speaking as a high school rower who was trying to get into harvard, the coach flat out told me there was nothing she could do for me unless i got 20 seconds faster, but good luck and there was room on the team for me if i did make it in. that's hardly a reliable route for someone to take when becoming the best in the country in a sport takes countless hours

>>758067
Well, I have an interesting story about a kid in my High School getting into Stanford. (better weather and considered an IVY of the West Coast)... Anyway, his junior year he came to school drunk and the ceramics teacher called the police on him. He gets arrested. Judge gives him 600 hours of community service. He has mostly A's but not stellar SAT/ACT scores.. played soccer but wasn't special in a few clubs.... One teacher said "I cannot believe Robert got into Stanford! There were other students with higher grades and better test scores but he got in.. while others were rejected!" ... "He just said on his application that he had 600 hours of community service which were easily verified, he just didn't mention that he came to school drunk." ... Thought this was funny. But true.

>>761068
What is your major?

>>758417
The wealthy often pay for their kids to attend. Also, do you realize how mind numbing it can be to attend a fucking liberal indoctrination factory for four to five years...

>>761273
Love it

>>761282
Have you ever been to college? You write like you have not.

>>761273
You get punishment from court for being drunk in USA? Truly the land of the free.

>>761273
oh man that's great

>>758213

Nice..are you a student working part-time at Admissions? '15 reporting in.

>>761095
Everything I've read has said that unless you went to Wharton or Cornell, an Ivy really isn't worth it other than name prestige.

I applied to 3 Ivies for my PhD (Cornell, Columbia, and Penn), got into Cornell, but turned it down for a program that was ranked better in my field. It may not be an Ivy but it's a better decision as far as job prospects go.

>>758067
Yalefag here. It's hard.

>>761317
>underage drinking
>public intoxication
>school policy: strict no drug/alcohol campuses
3 violations right there

>>761602
unless you hate the field
then your fucked

>>761068
how rich are your parents? did you go to Andover or Exeter?

will you be my husbando? :3

>>761675
Well if I'm going into a PhD then there's a pretty good chance I like what I'm doing :^)

OP here.

How much higher of a chance would he have if he took Academy classes at a votech? (Its pretty much all AP classes and for smarter people).

>>761706
well if you're going for your Ph.D then there's a pretty good chance you majored in women's studies or anthropology or some other useless faggot major and your buyers' remorse settled in, so you thought to get a Ph.D and drown yourself in more debt to hopefully become a professor before you inevitably kill yourself or join Amway

bump

>>761931

He should be taking the most difficult classes possible. Straight A's in easy courses are meaningless. If he wants a shot an Ivy or equivalent, he should be taking a challenging schedule. It doesn't necessarily have to be entirely AP's or whatever, but there should be a meaningful number of upper-level courses.

>>761941
Projecting much?

>>761941
>paying for a PhD

>>758067
Is your younger brother white and able bodied? Do you come from a disadvantaged background?

Girlfriend got into dartmouth this year, it's a ton harder than people make it seem in this bread.

She only does ap classes, no lunch so she can get an extra ap in. College classes at night.
She does 5 volunteer hours a week at a hospital.
She is valedictorian at a good public school.
Got accepted into government school for science and technology.
Personally knows our state senator (to be fair, he's from the town next to us, I've talked to him before and I'm not connected)
When she was in sophomore year she went to John Hopkins to study neurobiology.
She got a 2350 on her sat

She did a ton more shit but I can't keep remember. She applied to every Ivy and got accepted by /the worst one/. If he actually wants to ivy league it up he gotta be the best. Like if he wants to be a lawyer, he should join debate club and go to nationals.

>ivy leaguers are fucking crazy
>browse /biz/ so I can learn how to be qt gf's equal

>>762391
What's she majoring and minoring in? My little bros hoping to get something in business or marine biology

>>762416
First don't do marine bio at an ivy. Go to u of Miami or something on the coast. Not only is it a fun party school, but it's prolly the best for marine bio because of the connections and shit.

Originally she wanted to do neurobiology, but now she's majoring in economics. She got accepted by Berkeley but chose Dartmouth for those waspy connections. Ivys are good for connections.

I knew about one or two dozen kids from my high school who got into Ivies over the course of eight years (the four graduating classes I was in school with, and the freshmen, sophomores, and juniors from my senior year who eventually graduated after me). Here's what they all had in common:
3.9 GPA or above
Rigorous class schedule with at least a few APs
Did extracurriculars year-round every year. Some kids did two or three.
Some sort of demonstration of leadership
32 minimum ACT

Girl who got into Harvard:
Perfect GPA with 7 or 8 APs
35 ACT
Class president for one year, musical and play for three years, school news for three years, choir for two, Green Club for one
NHS Vice President

I went to a public school in the midwest. None of them were rich or legacies

>>762439
What would be he best thing to study at an ivy? Pretty vague question sorry

>>762466
Idk man I'm going to a state school.

Ivys are best for connections. If you go for poly Sci, you'll get a decent govt job. If you go for business, you'll find a partner that's a young Steve jobs. If you do econ, you'll get into an investment bank.
Fuck even if you do women's studies you'll find something.

If you get into an ivy, figure out what you really want to do. Chances are you'll be paid above average for it as long as you have a good gpa and make friends.

Also be that frat boy drinker type that is friends with everyone. Not just people you think are /cool/ get to know everyone because the people at your school are gonna be filthy fucking rich and you should take advantage of it.

>>762490
Thanks anon

Bump

>>761941
Majoring in genetics, thanks for playing.

>>762391
>>browse /biz/ so I can learn how to be qt gf's equal

>>758067
>Dart-mouth
name sounds kewl as fuck
>Yale
literally Hebrew in its emblem

Bump

Georgetown student reporting.

Who /non-Ivy/ here?

>>763730
>tfw when state school

>tfw top ten undergrad biz school

not mad

>>762490
can you get all that stuff at a pretty good state school?

or does the frat boy drinker type gig only work at an ivy?

Just graduated high school.

3.03 GPA.

Honestly I'm sick with myself for failing that fucking hard.

What the fuck could I do to get into something decent in my life, as far as Masters, if I do good in college.

Should I just off my self now?

>>763777
Denver???

>>763895
get into college, study your ass off, get accepted to graduate school

graduate schools don't give a fuck about your high school grades

>>759892
Doubt it. I was accepted to a private catholic university and I remember one of the essay questions was "How will going to a Catholic University effect your life?" and I literally wrote that I'm not religious, do not see myself floating in that direction in the future, and the religious affiliation of the University did not factor into my decision to apply as much as their academic offerings or something like that and I was accepted. Didn't go though lulz.

>>763895
Just go a good major and don't fuck up.
Apply for internships like a mad man. This should be a big priority.

Do those and it will not matter if you go to state school, or ivy league.

>>763939
So there's still hope for me?

>>763955
Gonna do Information Systems for my Major.

The University that I'm going to has apparently a tonne of options for internships as there are a lot of companies in the city.

>>763957
of course

worse case you go to community college for two years, in which you just still study your ass off, and then try to transfer after two years.

>>763957
I would honestly avoid Information Systems.
It's definitely one of the better IT majors, but CS or CompE will have priority over you for most IT jobs (tons of them end up in IT)

if you're diligent, it's worth doing the more prestigious degrees.
.

>>763895
Your reply made me laugh out loud. You think you fucked up.

Here I am, Class of 2015, Mount Lebanon High School, and I'm graduating with a fucking 2.3 unweighted GPA. My guess is that untreated ADD coupled with a fat dose of immaturity landed me where I am now. At least I'm graduating.

My plan is to enlist in the Air Force doing something with electricity, probably power generation, to get relevant experience. Invest half my pay while I'm in and let it grow while I go to college (paid for by Uncle Sam) afterwards. I know I need 4 more years to get enough maturity to handle myself. Worst case I end up making decent pay doing a cool job.

Don't worry. You'll do fine.

>>763962
I'm uninterested in Computer Science, I lack the mindset for it.
Part of the reason why I really like Information Systems is I believe I only have to take 1 CS class while still being able to work largely with computers.

CompE I think has the same problem.

At this point I'm hoping that I will continue on to get an MBA.

>>763964
I could have done better.
I should have done better.
I needed to have done better.

My high school experience has taught me that I can't keep living like I am. I'm fucking sick of being "average", its miserable.

I'm looking forward to college because hopefully I can erase my past mistakes and come out as someone actually above a 3.0 GPA actually doing something good.

>>763970
are you in IT for the money or because you like it because CS is literally how computers work
if you do it for the money you should go for a project management career track quick basically because IT will make you hate you miserable too

>>763974
I like computers and I like money.

Seems to be honestly the best route for me.

>>763970
Don't worry dude, I get you. I'm the exact same way, except much more extreme. Skipping school, staying up late, etc. Never skipped out on a job though. I'm sick and tired of being poor, my family has like $2000 dollars in liquid assets.

I know I'm gonna have to bust some ass in the air force, but at least I will have no student loans and a decent chunk of cash.

>this thread
>going to cc

I should just an hero now

>>763980
Well, I wish you the best of luck in your future.

>>763985
Thanks man.

What I'm (poorly) attempting to say is that even though you messed around a bit in high school you are still on track for a great career. Put your head down and get good grades and work hard in college, and since you have enough recognition to post about it, I'm sure you'll do fine.

>>763991
I'm just really fucking worried about fucking it all up.

I have a... lovely habit of doing this.

>>763994
I get fixed on a goal and accomplish it, the problem is that they are usually dumb, like fixing my car's paint.

I'd try to focus on your end goal as much as you can. Think about your IT job every day, and realize that if you fuck around you won't get where you want. Think about that for every decision you make.

>>764011
Yeah...

I find thinking about how shit life is currently somewhat motivates me.

>>763785
Again, I haven't started college yet, but the admissions office at dartmouth recommends that you join a fraternity and "meet as many people as you can"

I think the same would apply for a state school, instead of meeting as many people as possible, just meet people that you can weasle something out of.

Or you know, do college like a normalfag would, you're still gonna make it you don't try hard 100% of the time

1. be fucking interesting. have a story. make a new invention. travel the world. make new charity. do something, but not for the purpose of getting into ivies. people who want to get into ivies the most often end up not getting in because theyre boring ass nerds (still a shitton of boring ass nerds at ivies tho because they're only interesting on paper)
2. be a fucking genius, and i mean genius, not 'really smart'. win (inter)national olympiads, competitions, etc.
3. be rich
4. be native american
5. be an olympic athlete
6. any combination of the above

3 is the easiest, 1 is a close second

>>758067
Ivy League is overrated. They had their moment but now except their main areas of expertise they're really suffering a bad drop in quality. In before >muh rankings those rankings also include past successes and current research collabrations which no undergrad(or unrelated postgrad) would get access to. That's why you see Cambridge in front of Warwick for example, the former was an incredible powerhouse back then but now it's a former shade of itself while the latter spams incredible research, facilities and teaching quality thanks to that silk money, milk money it gets from sector deals.

Anyway,
What's your brother's dream? What does he want to be? Which field? Academic Career or a Government one? Perhaps he aims for the private sector?

More info would be nice.

>>758213
Here's the thing, are requirements for international students the same or are they different in some aspects?

Also is there an age factor? The reason Im asking is that my grades dont reflect upon my further acconplishments, I was a late bloomer in academics and even though ny grades arent abyssmal,theyre around the A-B range. However, I have amazing ecs, alog with being the CEO of the first ever college counselling educational agency in my country. But like I mentioned,Im not too strong with my grades and In turning 21 this fall. Do I have a shot at any of the ivies at all? My sats are above the 2000 mark, Im just feeling a bit discouraged that I didnt show my full potential yhrough my grades and only managed to shine later on through exchange program victories,european youth parliament,young diplomats club of my country etc.
Do I have any chance?

>>764319

I agree that Ivies are overrated in some ways, but no more or less so than in the past. It's always been the case that you can get as good of an education at good non-Ivy or top state school. For many people, the main values of an Ivy are the name and the connections, and those carry as much weight as they always have. Depending on what someone's goals are, having that name on your resume may be worth a lot, or it may be worth nothing.

The fact is that attending an Ivy League school isn't useful for everybody. There are a lot of people who could accomplish the same (or more) by going elsewhere. But I don't think it's accurate to say that there's a "bad drop in quality," at least in the areas that really matter for the people who have something to gain by attending an Ivy.

>>758067
1st requirement is obviously good grades and an SAT > 2000
Q1: Are you legacy? If No see Q2
Q2: Can your parents donate large sums of money? If no see Q3
Q3: Are you a minority?

If you answered yes to any of these questions you a very good chance of getting into any ivy. If not I hear Michigan has very a nice campus

I'm only going to an Ivy because of the connections, the vulnerable girls, and the amazing parties every night, and the average starting salary at Wharton is pretty damn attractive.

Even if it does end p costing me like $250,000 to get that piece of paper, I'll enjoy myself doing it.

Ivy in my eyes is just a prestige thing on the outside, but more so a 'setting yourself up for life' measure

We're all only in it for the money.

>>764618

My nigga. I totally agree. The massive recruiting for Wall Street i-banking firms and the reaction you get from random chicks at parties when I tell them I go to Harvard are what get me up in the morning. I know a few people who aren't about that life though and many of them have a hard time feeling at home here. There are disadvantages to it and the Ivy League definitely isn't for everyone. But it's paradise on earth if this is your thing.

Wharton is based as fuck by the way. Turning doe-eyed 18-year-olds into hardened killers in four years. All the student groups being named after different forms of currency. Heard the party scene is great too. Props to you man.

>>764636

By student groups I mean cohorts, shit

>>764605

>Q3: Are you a minority?

Might want to specify that as NAM (Non-Asian Minority).

I'm Asian, my parents were rich, I had a 2300 SAT score, didn't get into HYPS. I blame affirmative action.

>>764636

Fucking right!

Working my ass off right now to make it to Wharton, haven't decided what I'm going to do but I know for a fact I want to live the Wharton life before age 25.

>>764664

Well, did you do any extracurriculars? Did you do anything exceptional in high school that made you stand out?

It's really easy to blame affirmative action but you have to realize that there are literally like 15-30 Asians with perfect SAT scores and flawless academics competing for every one spot at an Ivy League school. If you did nothing to distinguish yourself among similarly qualified candidates you shouldn't be surprised that you didn't get in. Yeah you accomplished a lot in high school and that's very admirable but sadly that isn't enough for the Ivies. But when you're literally competing with the best of the best in all the world for a finite amount of resources what do you expect?

>>764684

>Well, did you do any extracurriculars? Did you do anything exceptional in high school that made you stand out?

No shit. I was heavily involved with student groups, started clubs, was in bands, played club sports, etc. Was I supposed to cure cancer or something?

The issue is comparing Asians with other Asians instead of just seeing them as humans and comparing them with other humans. If I was black or hispanic I would've had full ride scholarships to all 8 Ivies.

Anyway, I'm 23 now so I'm passed all that. Just salty that my demographic is arbitrarily held to a higher standard.

>>764692

In that case you're right. Yeah it's bullshit.

>Was I supposed to cure cancer or something?

Well...
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cancer/teen-makes-genetic-discovery-her-own-rare-cancer-n75991

I took a class with her fall semester. God damn she's fine.

>>764698

would smash

there's a lot of chicks like her in medical school. cute but nerdy/a bit awkward

>>763934
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall

hint: corn

>>758213
How much importance is given to non-white applicants?

>>763970
>tfw it's possible I may not graduate highschool
I need 1.5 more credits, .5 being in English .5 being in math

How did I let this happen?

>>763730

UVA

>>763777

>Salty about not ivy
>Brings up solid state business school

Wahoo confirmed.
Or Michigan.

>>764332
well we would need to know your GPA to know that

>>761273
Don't you have to say on the app if you've been arrested?

>>758072
OP is probably just underage b& but we'll let it slide.
Something on your application should be something you created, not just a bunch of numbers. Start a club or a charity. At no point for more than a couple months in your high school career should you be the kid that goes home at 2:30 just to to homework.

>>758235
Notre Dame would accept someone with half your application if they were a legacy with a family giving donations. That's all that school cares about.

>>765140
Its a 3.7 the American way. Its 9.1 out of 10 in my country.

>>765309
my dad went to Notre Dame
I applied to Notre Dame with
>SAT 1920
>3.8 GPA
>I forget how many college level classes in high school
>defensive captain of lacrosse team
>co captain highschool marching band
>over 100+ hours of homeless ministry charity service
>member of school environmental club
>member of honors society
>former boy scout/baseball player/ some other extracurricular
and I got rejected from Notre Dame and my dad still gives donations so I guess that's not all they care about.

>>765364
i'm not sure how they treat international applications, if you have the money then definitely apply. If you were american it would probably be unlikely, but since your not it's worth a go.

>>764332
received a free semester at Cornell via my University. min 3.0 GPA and i had to send in an application and get selected (had 3.1 GPA). My university is a partner instituition

>>765526
What about need blind universities? The ones that are need blind for internationals as well?

Will high Sat and extraordinary ECs and essays/recs outweigh the 3.7 GPA?

>>765526
Are universities as well with major banks part of diversity programs? If so then are there any demographics?
>>766322
What country are you from? It'd help if you posted that.

>>762490
Political science seems interesting, how good would this be as a career?

>>766387
Eastern Europe, post soviet country of Georgia anon

>>766741
Is the middle east out of the question?

>mfw it probably is

>>766748
What do you mean anon?
On the common app applicants from my country check Europe. The country is sort of the exact in between of Europe and the Middle East but its largely considered Europe in all of the projects/etc. Ive participated in. (European Youth Parliament organization is active here too, Im a ling term delegate)

>>766752
I hear a lot about how being white can make it hard for you to get into a good university and that being a minority could help a lot. I'm what would be a minority not only in the university but also in the field I'm aiming for. But on the other hand in the eyes of the admission staff arabs and turks for instance may not be a difference to them.

>>766752
Sorry read it all wrong. My reading comprehension fucked me there. I thought that the respons "Eastern Europe, post soviet country of Georgia" was places of which were good eyes in the eyes of universities. That's why i was asking if the middle east was out of the question.

How much does being a veteran help with admissions?

>>766797
Many in the admission staff have a hard time of hashing out a military career. So depending on what you decide to use as selling points it could go more bad than good. I.e serving three deployments with leadership roles is something the can hash out and understand. However if you start bringing in terms, medal awards that really doesn't say much unless you are knowledgeable about military then they could discard you for just that.

Here's a good video on the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtQr7d93Nto

>>766770
>>766778
Its all good anon, and Ive heard the same regarding minorities. However I already know I dont qualify as one, but theres the thing that there isnt a big pool of representation from my country in a lot of these universities because very few people apply from here. I just hope they wont hold my age against me, and the GPA. Stanford is my first choice, I hope things will turn out favorably this year.

i had to have visa to get in a ivy league? im from south america and i want to apply to a ivy league, is hard for me? impossible?

>>766882
You have to be accepted into the school first. And prove you can pay for it

>>766890

how much i had to pay monthly? i need a diploma to get in? good grades?

>>766878
>I just hope they wont hold my age against me
Why how old are you?

>>766896
Im turning 21 this fall anon. Its been exactly 2 years since I finished school

>Be 21 year old high school dropout
>Got my GED, worked for a while
>was a B/C student in high school
>Did try, but not very smart naturally. Only really good at science
>Get tired of being a failure
>Take my ACT, take 2 weeks off of work to study and do it.
>Study the entire time I took off, all 9 hours a day.
>Take my ACT
>Score a 27

It's really disappointing. I spent so much effort to get that, it really makes me feel like I have no potential at all. I go to a stupid HBCU because i'm too poor to afford a really good school and i'm one of the only white people here. I spend almost all my free time studying but I still get mediocre grades. Last semester I managed to get all As, but I think those classes were alot easier (14 cred hours. Bio, government, trig and something else I forget). But my first semester I had like a 2.5 GPA on 18 credit hours and this semester I ended up with 4 As, a B and a C with 18 credit hours.

I try really fucking hard, but I can't retain this shit. I can't remember dates and names in humanities/history and I can't remember formulas and various ways of doing shit in math. I ended up getting a C in humanities and I don't even know how.

Do any of you know how to fix this? Is there a way I can make myself smarter? I work extremely hard at studying and doing my work, but it doesn't seem like it pays off at all when my grades are nothing but subpar in a shit school. I'm a computer science major and this coming semester i'll take my first CS classes.

>>766894
~$60-80k a year for ivy.

good grades are ok to have :^)

Fake Jewish ancestry