/biz/ - Business & Finance

I deal with this same bullshit from my family. I explain to them how they imported shitskins to do it cheaper and I can't compete and they just start yelling at me like it's my fault. If I ask for the appropriate salary I won't get the job retards.

ITT: Excuses to be a NEET.

>>7567018
extra true if it's poor capitalism with no requires for smart minds

>>7567523
>can't compete with shitskins
lmao
anon, sorry to tell you this, but it is entirely your fault

>>7567730
anon sorry to tell you but its common knowledge that companies outsource for cheap labor

>>7567730
He means that he can't accept a wage lower than what immigrants are willing to take.

Reading comprehension.

>>7567523
>expecting a good salary before proving your loyalty to the company
Just lmao at you failures

Glad I am not a brainlet loser like you

>>7567730
Why do the strawberries need a weed barrier? Are they too scared to compete with some little old weeds?

>>7567780
>>7567812
>tfw when no good education or being in a promising field so i have to compete with 3rd worlders
lmao
u loosers
maybe should have thought about ur future instead of wanking to my little pony
i should be sad for you, but i can't help myself sorry

at least u can help yourself with the shitcoinroulette
lmao

>G-get a trade or skillset anon! Or else by the time you're 40 you'll be useless

Hey dumbass boomer, I don't plan on being a wagecuck at 40. Enjoy your broke social security, worthless house, and worthless fiat while the world uses a real, useable currency that has a fixed rate of inflation, unlike gold or fiat.

So many autist programmers I work around have no clue India, Pakistan and China will undercut the shit out of us by the time I'm their age. Not gonna fall for the rat race sorry.

>>7567865
Took me 10yrs in mining industry to get the first job i actually had my eye on from the start. Youngest Gen Y is so fucking lazy they cant sacrifice jack shit. Bunch of fucking gimme dats

>>7568001
>having a skillset that is easily outsourcable or replacable by a third worlder
first mistake
u idiots saw it all coming
i mean for what did you use all the wisdom that is now easily archivable through digitalisation?
oh wait, wanking to traps and hentai
lmao

>>7567018
I feel for you poor youngsters with your hip hopping music and tamagotchis. You'll never know the simple pleasure of marching into the manager's office, giving him a firm handshake, looking him straight in the eye and saying "Mr Goldbergstein, I'm the man for the job" and getting hired on the spot. It's all entitlement and video games and wah wah wah there's too many blacks. Let me tell you, if you're not prepared to do an honest day's work, you'll never get anywhere in life.

>>7568080
Most skills aren't that difficult to attain with the advent of the internet. You can literally contract someone 3000 miles away to advise you on a project, rather than work on it full time or be on-site.

Boomers who are regarded highly are already beginning to take on jobs all over the country for mundane tasks, mainly so it isn't screwed up while the wage slaves and poo in loos do the grunt work. This wasn't possible 10 years ago.

Most of them aren't gonna die for another 20 years, and will work until death because they have no retirement money. Why the fuck do I want to compete with them? I'd rather have property or a business I have full control and understanding over that these boomers don't understand but will probably use.

>>7568082
I think a lot of people are missing the point here. The problem is that even if you are in the right field where the jobs are and didn't study masturbation in college, if you don't have rich parents with connections to get you a job, companies expect you to be some meth-addicted Asian that has a 4.9 GPA and 10 internships to get a fucking living wage. We aren't talking about extravagant salaries here, people.

>>7567938
wild strawberries taste better

>>7568001
>fell for the programming meme
shouldve went into network, security or systems. pajeets are so bad that there is no competition

>tfw OP almost got BRAP in all caps in his ID

>>7568357
than u have no problem, good for you

and for the rest:
maybe you should think about a different profession as sitting in front of a monitor and doing monkey work every indian could do for a third of ur salary?
and maybe you baby ancaps should have thought why unions maybe help u?
mr. drumpf will not save u from this mess

>>7568390
Excuses. I'd expect nothing less from your generation. Glad to see you didn't disappoint.

ITT: anons who didn’t study Computer Science.

I made six figures right out of college. Same hours, interesting work, mostly fun co-workers. Breddy gud life sway

Also, companies in the US are literally hiring foreign workers because there aren’t enough non-shit American developers. Quite a shame, and also an opportunity for you college-aged anons

>>7568390
Lmao the delusion in this post

>>7568495
Stop LARPing as a boomer faggot. You live in your car. kys.

>>7568390
all this whining
u got the same victim mentality as the crazy feminists
if u were unable to make some connections while u were in university instead of drinking, wanking and shitposting the whole day then u have a problem
thats not some secret wisdom

Well, look at the bright side, the foreigners killing the job market are pretty happy since they really got a life level up from their hellhole. Each time you lose a position to a pajeet, you make a whole pajeet family of 30 happy.

Seeking: Dishwasher

Essential experience: 10 years of dish washing with a BSc in Scrubology

>>7568494
Indians literally can't do what I do as well as I do which is why I get paid 6 figures and get to work from home when I want to.

Crypto was a great additonal income stream but since Goldberg Sachs decided to fuck it up you anons need to GG to make it

Spainfag here. At a rate of 800€ monthly, it would take me 20 years to buy the flat that my dad bought with a single income doing welding.

It's fucking impossible to buy a house working anymore. I have more chances at going rich in the next 5 years by just sitting on my ass and staying NEET watching my 21 BTC become worth millions than working for a wage.

Labour is no longer valued, only flow of capital. It is a matter of time that all these boomer tier assets collapse and a big chunk gets allocated into the capital B blockchain. The bond market will crash so bad. Can't wait, revenge will be brutally served. We are taking over, this is not a fucking game.

>>7568521
What's a boomer? Is that gay slang that you and your 76 other gendered pansexuals use?

>>7568696
I've actually seen this

you can't get a job even at a burger king without work experience. That's so fucked up, that's supposed to be entry level high school shit.

>>7568515
What field coding/programming? Is there still a shortage or too saturated now?

My favorite is when they tell millennials that can't get a job that they should go to a career fair. This is a cruel joke.

>>7568717
I really hope you don't have 21 BTC, but rather 21 BTC worth of crypto. Because you'd pretty much be set for life just putting them into other coins by EOY.

>>7567018
Majority of millenals are really dumb, or have not yet realized they are fucked unless born to wealth. Not only saralies are lacking, cost of living is on the rise, taxes takes half of your little salary and if you are about to buy a house atm you gonna loose your shirt on that. And add a student loan scam on that all as majority of muricans will never be able to pay their student debt with current jobs and cost of living, increasing rates will rocket launch the multi trillion student debt bomb to Mars. 1/3 have already moved back to parents cause they cant afford to pay their living after uni LOOOOL

>>7568764
what if you owned a BK?

you are trying to maximize profits and you need to hire more people to ensure the business runs.

you want to potentially waste money on someone who sucks or minimize your loss by hiring someone who has work experience already?

>>7567018
One of my co-workers asked for a raise. So they fired him. It's a right-to-work state so they're allowed to fire for any reason.

Companies don't want to deal with the bullshit of employees begging for raises when there's literally dozens of potential new hires willing to do the job for almost nothing.

Yes this is like dating.

Roasties have 10000000 beta's orbiting them at any given moment, dating apps made it worse.

>>7567018
I'm on the cusp of Gen X, my little brother is a millenial. You fuckers are literally worthless. I moved out at 17 working at a KFC and living in a literal crack house. My little brother is 20 something and living in mom's basement because he cant get a 50k a year job with his degree. Gen Z is our only hope.

>>7567018
Sucks to be you. I'm making 200k USD a year programming right out of college. Next time study something other than african history.

>>7569167
As a millennial, gen Z is even worse than mine.

>>7569158
>muah everyone has it so easy
>my life is so hard
>i have no chance
>everyone else's fault

lmao
the current state of young people
failures and crybabies

>>7568515
cs is massively oversaturated in canada and most of the rest of the world for that matter

>>7569783
Many professions are already saturated.

>>7568515
>implying entry level cs jobs are anyhting more than monkey see monkey do

they hire foreigners cuz they can pay them less and they are virtual slavs thanks to the visa limiations.

>>7567018
Boomer here.
No way I would tell any of you NEETs to try to negotiate a higher salary. If I were your parent, I'd be thrilled if you got minimum wage.
Heck, even a free internship.

>>7569376
Programming what?

Cause developer wages vary a lot between individuals.
Also, how's systems, network and security doing and its prevision for the future?

>>7568451
Networks, security or systems.

Which one is the most growing one? or the one that's needed the most or pays best?

>>7569783
over-saturated in shit programmers. learn a language that pays well or nobody else knows and can get you hired.
For every line of code written by 10 pajeets, a white or chinese dude has to come in and sweep up all the garbage and practically rewrite everything. Outsourcing is a problem created by greedy upper level management and executives that don't know what the fuck they are doing (See: Microsoft).

Are people larping when they try and say that other people are lazy and stupid for not having jobs?

The bottom rungs on the job market ladder is extremely fragile today, and non-existent in some areas, this is an objective fact.

I live in the NW UK and I can't even get unpaid voluntary work; bureaucracy, immigration, taxes and fiat currency have back-stabbed an entire generation

>>7568977
I have 21 BTC precisely because im too smart to fall for the altcoin meme.

>>7570476
I heard from a friend of mine that's been in the field for 15 years that basically everyone hates the Indian programmers but they had no other options. Thats why recently companies have stopped hiring them but the word hasn't gotten out yet.

>>7570523
You're just investing in MySpace, thinking it will dominate forever

>>7570512
So do what smart people do. Move.

>>7570550
yep. if you want to see what a project made entirely by diversity hires looks like, go check out the obamacare website on launch.

>>7567018
no it isn't

there's like 4% unemployment

it's virtually 0% in some areas

>>7568082
>"Mr Goldbergstein, I'm the man for the job"

I lost it

>>7570736
Unemployment figures are misleading due to part-time, temporary work and student figures.

in terms of career opportunities, salaries, taxes and stable employment, we are literally screwed

>>7570512
https://www.indeed.co.uk/jobs?q=labourer&l=North+West

>>7571005
no car

>>7571155
lol
u can't make that shit up

>>7570808
There's virtually 0% unemployment in STEM

>>7571155
i thought yuros had god tier public transportation?

>>7567018
Unemployment rate is like 4%, you have no excuse not being able to find a job in this economy.

>>7571155
I've been learning how to drive, but without one it's useless suggesting I look across the entire NW

>>7571385
I already have a STEM degree, again, no car and no jobs

>>7571409
British transport in the UK is awful and expensive.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/30/student-flies-london-via-spain-cheaper-train/

>>7568390
Lmao imagine being this deluded

>>7571464
so u motherfucker want a over average paying job right beside ur fucking basement or what?

you can't be serious

>>7571155
Don't worry we'll pick you up Monday at 5:30AM. No skills necessary, just need a hard-working attitude.

>>7571659
The North West region is too large a distance to cover without a car, just to cover 15 miles sometimes I need 2hrs in transport time

>>7571702
Why is everyone being snarky about this, I look for jobs in Liverpool and Manchester, the NW area is too big, how the fuck do I get to Lancashire

>>7571725
then apply for a job and then buy a car?
ru serious?

>>7571764
i don't have a drivers license yet

>>7571807
how old r u anyway?

>>7571810
21

Will get a license this spring hopefully

>>7567946
>looser

>>7568001
Real estate is not worthless. Agreed otherwise.

>>7571858
looks like ur mammas vagina man

You guys must be working jobs that doesn't require a lot of thought into it. STEM field here and I negotiated every job I have held and was able to increase my salary a lot. Even when I get the annual raise I have broken their "maximum" raise percentage rule twice at two different companies. You need to be able to show them why your skills are needed. When you work for some one don't view it as "wagecuck", view it as a partnership. You're gaining experience while putting the skills you have learnt previously into this business. Essentially we're all consultants. You just have to be able to sell yourself. If you can't sell yourself, why would a company think you're not replaceable? Show them that you're worth it, voice it out and fight for it and you will get it. You need to make yourself indispensable.

>>7572085
I'll be honest - I am fucking glad that I'm paid by tariff and I don't have to negotiate anything. I'm only working part-time in a dream-job at university and have more than enough money, so much time for myself, and no stress whatsoever. I'm using both my time at work and at home to create a game that I would never be able to do if I had a 'normal' job. I'd fucking kill myself if I had to work 40 hours a week, negotiate salaries, worry about selling myself or anything of the sort. Freedom FAR outweighs any amount of money you get paid.

What you're describing as something people should aspire to do, I see as wasting your fucking life doing work you don't really want to do for thousands upon thousands of hours, so you can get to the part where you don't have to do that anymore. Instead I chose to do something that that gives me complete freedom and I'm sorry for everyone who works in a job he/she dislikes.

millenial here. dropped out of college moved to a big city w no job experience. made money doing sketchy shit to get on my feet and then transitioned into working odd jobs. eventually learned how to do carpentry and welding and other shit like that. been in this city for seven years as a 'freelancer' and now have regular work at different studios and museums doing what i do.
the pay isnt as much as STEM people, but it would be lower middle class if i worked fulltime. being a contractor means i can travel when i want (went to asia for a month last year).
work on my own projects half the time. my quality of life is pretty good and by choice, but i would probably be fucked if i ever had a medical emergency.
contemplating going back to school but the only thing i truly care about will never make me any money.

>>7567018
more immigrants will solve this problem

>>7572365
What dream job do you have, anon?

>>7572365
ya freedom to enjoy your life while you are young is far more important than working 40+ hrs a week.
it is the best if both worlds where your interests align with an economically viable field, like engineering or something, however certain interests simply arent conducive to generating solid income, its usually a crapshoot; making games, music , art etc

NOBODY WILL HIRE ME WITH MY SHITTY FUCKING CHEMISTRY DEGREE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>7572884
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>7567018
i negotiated my salary. if you went to college and have any skills, the job market is really desperate.

i get about 5 calls a month and i'm only 4 years into my career. just don't be a retarded millennial.

>>7567018
What changed? It's right in front of all of us.

Turd world immigrants and their kids are plentiful and they'll work for peanuts because they're okay with living in a hovel. They'll never unionize or demand higher pay (shit even NPR did a story admitting that entry level employers favored hiring poo people because they have to deal with unions less). They don't have the high standard and eye for beauty that we do. Stop letting (((them))) import a slave class, we need to take a stand against this shit.

Btw feminism was a shill to lower the wages of workers too. If you trick women into working because "muh Independence" you double the labor force, thus cutting the cost of a worker in half. Import immigrants and wages lower even further to the point both parents now HAVE to work and they still can't afford to spend time actually raising their kids.

>>7572966
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>7572884
my guess is your best bet is to go the software route and give up on actually using the degree

>>7567523
>tfw exact same problem but with cumskins eruopeans and haitian niggers
Thanks non-mongoloid subhumans

>>7572713
I teach video game programming in Unity at university and 'research' video game stuff for my dissertation. I literally have no boss and can just do whatever I want. My work schedule is also completely flexible. Apart from the lectures I can work anywhere from 8am to 10pm, just need to fill my 30 hours.

i am sotoshi nakmoto

>>7567938
really makes ya think

no.

>>7569167
Shut up you dumb old faggot why don’t you go cry to HR for another diversity Quota to hire more shit skins to replace whites? Gen z does nothing but worship niggers by posting nigger twitter memes, using nigger slang, and listening to nigger music and worshipping mud sharks like the kardashians. Not to mention half are soy boys that meme about how depressed they are and want to die and don’t lift. You old faggots literally had life on easy mode, yea you shouldn’t complain all day but did you have an absurd cost of living, high tuition prices, and had to apply to 250+ places just to get a 38k a year job even after obtaining a STEM degree?

>>7570559
This is why I have 21 BTC and you don't.

>>7567018

Sorry moron but it's your own fault for having a shit skillset, I'm a dev and there's always someone willing to pay me more.

>>7573389
Dude, cusp of millennial means somebody who came if age in the late 90s. Yes, we dealt with every bit of that shit and are still dealing with it. Geez, you aren't the only one with problems dude. Get over yourself.

>>7570695
LMAO

>>7573595

>Yes, we dealt with every bit of that shit and are still dealing with it.

Did you send out hundreds of CVs via the internet to wageslave jobs, only to be rejected on the basis you have a degree?

>>7573578
>tfw in my last semester of uni for SoftEng
I'm so fucking done with school. Can't wait to be finished.
What do you work in? Mobile apps?

>>7573718
Did we get rejected due to being "over qualified"? Um, yes. If they think you'll just take the next better offer due to being too good for their job then they won't hire you. This has been a thing for sure at least since I got my first job in the 90s. Except wasn't able to send my resume to 100 jobs at a time over the net, I had to hand deliver it so the rejections were 10x worse.

>>7567018
holy shit sounds like my dad. throwing books at me saying this is how you get yourself a better starting pay.

>dad you know i'm entry level, contractor, it phone support.
>they legit have numerous contracts to pick from
>i have no experience

Of course I don't improve myself so I have no leverage. People are desperate for works but they won't budge at their low wage knowing someone will fold.

>>7573842

Lmao, it's not more efficient because I can send out hundreds more CVs

i was on unemployment for 6 months and applied at 89 places through indeed before i got 2 real offers right as it was about to run out

>>7568390
>if you don't have rich parents with connections to get you a job
this is the way 95% of americans that earn a living wage become employed

>>7573884
Okay, try spending all day in the car, wasting your gas, sweating in the sun going from job to job like a jerkoff handing in resumes to not get a single callback and see how you like it.

>>7573818
first thing you will realize when getting out is that they don't really teach you the shit you need in practice. Learning starts when you start actually working.
Protip: start contributing to open source projects while still in school

>>7573952
It's still not more efficient

People older than me talk about being able to walk into somewhere and get a job within minutes, and now we have this

>>7573907

>>7567018
I've asked my boss to negotiate my salary for the last four years.
5%
3%
0%
8%

You're not at an AT&T store in the local mall or some shit, are you?

>>7574009
I used to look for jobs like that and I've gone no the and months without finding anything. I'm not trying to get into a dick measuring contest over this. I've done it both ways. Beating my feet and finding a job on the internet and I found the latter to be much easier. YMMV

>>7567018
My father used to say shit like that. Yep, a boomer. That shit stopped working in the 80's, and he refused to believe it.

These days, you negotiate while getting hired. If you want more, you go somewhere else. It's expected. Nobody sticks around one job for more than a year or two anymore, and nobody wants you to.

>>7574079

>>7567865
There is no loyalty anymore since there is no job security

Get some valuable skills then you will have no trouble finding work. I learned how to code and now I can work literally anywhere I want because my skills are in demand pretty much everywhere.

>>7573952
That hasn't worked in probably 20 years. These days, you get in through referral, or an agency. Period. Nobody hires off the street above retail. They don't call anyone, because they have no intentions of hiring anyone off the street - most companies post public job ads because they have to, but they're going to hire a referral, from inside, or from an agency.
Submitting CVs blind is literally wasting your time.

>>7573067

sounds like a nice gig anon, but
>hurr I couldn't work 40 hours
>btw I work 30 xD

you're as much of a slave as the rest of us, just a placated one.

>>7567018
Its your fault thinking entry-level jobs pay 200k

>>7567865
Loyalty? Loyalty doesn't mean shit today. Workers aren't loyal, companies aren't loyal, it's dog eat fucking dog. If you can only negotiate 60k at your hiring, that's all you're worth. Period.

Nobody expects or wants someone around in ten years. They want churn to keep their costs down. You work a couple low paying jobs, and use those to get into the next level. Expect to change jobs every two years, max - and get a serious bump up every time. Expecting big raises over time is not rational in today's job market. You're worth what you get, in the door, and they have no expectations of paying you more unless they absolutely have to.

>>7569016
>student loan scam
Nobody told you to borrow $30,000 in the first place. Get a job.

>>7569698
>boomers ruin the world for everyone then retire
>lol quit whining millenials!

>>7570464
Cloud, anything cloud

>>7574172
I know. I was just saying how I did it when I first started looking for work in 1998. The last time I went job hunting was in 2015 and my experience was as you describe. That's the beauty of being both young enough and old enough to have straddled both worlds. When the economy was good, the old school way was great. Show up and get hired. When the economy sucked, the in person thing sucked ass cuz you waste an enormous amount of time and gas money driving around. I've gone months like that in the early 2000s especially after 9/11. Compared to that, my experience of sending resumes over the net and just filling out bespoke applications on the employer website is a dream. But when there are no jobs to be found, everything sucks anyway.

>>7573907
I applied to 450 jobs beforeI I got one that paid $12 an hour. I went to school for Accounting and Finance. I just finished a coding school though. Hope I can get a job without having to apply to another 450.

>>7573818
Different developer anon here, >>7573953 is 100% correct. They do not teach you how to be a developer in college, they just teach you computer science. The kind of knowledge you have is extremely valuable from a career perspective and working as a senior dev, but you're not going to be hired on at a senior level. You're going to be hired on at a junior level. And junior level developers don't need to know dick about computer science, they just need to know how to code.

His advice is solid: start contributing to projects and learning about workflow and development processes. You need to be able to teach yourself anything you don't know, and you need to be able to work on a team. The era where developers were kept in a basement and they'd just slide pizzas under the door is over. Also be prepared to solve whiteboard problems in interviews. Especially once they see you have a CS degree: they will want to make sure you know your shit.

>>7570464
security

>>7567946
>tfw when
>loosers
you're clearly less educated than op and repliers, so don't act like your own job, assuming you have any, isn't a result of mommy or normie connections

>>7567018
Pajeet here ~ muricans dont go have Java jobs...u will be Fucked hard

>>7575462
What?