/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>7480869
is this why bcash pumped?

>>7480888
Ver and Wu pumped bcash for this interview to make it look good.

>>7480869
alex jones seems not convinced

>>7480981
after the 2 callers coherently called out Ver and his BS, Alex started looking for the out. LOL

>>7480904
>implying it wasnt randoms buying, like me
the interview was known to happen you know

Also he BTFO the phone shills and Alex bought pic related

>>7480904
true, that little faggot even pointed out that btrash was up that day. lol
he's a con artist. wouldn't expect anything less from a scumbag like Roger Vermin

>>7481306
>>7481022
>>7480904
Keep shilling corecucks. It wont save your slow expensive settlement layer coin.

>>7480904
Exactly like in december

>>7481474
you're not going to make it

Your days of manipulation are coming to an end bcore shills

>>7481630
https://youtu.be/8FFly8VF950

Alex stayed mostly neutral because he admitted he doesn't know this stuff well. He was more than a little riled up over Blockstream, so I'm expecting him to look into this much more after this interview.

btc merchant adoption is shrinking bch adoption is growing
there is not a single reason to cap blocks at 1mb (non mining nodes do nothing)
segwit destroys the mining nash equilibrium incentivising the collusion of miners to change the UTXO without owners signatures. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VoFb3mcxluY
You can only trust jihan and roger to not be doing this right now.
why introduce segwit before a blocksize increase when lightning network requires 133mb as specified in the lightning network whitepaper
why introduce segwit at all when it is not necessary for second layer solutions
lightning network will not be decentralized because to solve the routing problem is NP hard
why would anyone want lightning network when it is not a decentralised ledger? the whole point of bitcoin is to scale on chain as that is what makes decentralised uncensorable money which can free all the people in the world from the financial repression of central banks

>>7481690
this. and I actually think there is something to the wordplay thing he mentioned about blockstreams name.
If Alex decides to go deeper on this, we could be in for a wild ride. His reach is crazy

>>7481696
and you think scaling with large block size is a solution? you're just kicking the can down the hill
the truth of the matter is that bcashies are scared shitless because they know how LN is going to drive merchant adoption.
just be sure to sell your stack of shitcoins before BTC skyrockets

>>7480869
link to vid?

>>7481474
What does it do better than LiteCoin though? Is there any reason to use BCH over LTC?

>>7481864
what does LTC do better than BCH?

>>7481878
I think transaction speeds are similar, but after the next update LTC should have really, really low fees.

>>7481042
It was 70% volume from OKex at one point, 1bn out of 1.3bn total volume. And you say it was random buyers?

>>7481864
LTC is a copy/paste of bitcoin thats going the LN route.
BCH is going for actual on chain innovation.

Tokenization/coloured coins and smart contracts are coming to BCH this year.

There may be other coins with better "tech", but they don't have the hashpower, history, or name recognition to get them off the ground. Bitcoin Cash is about continuing Bitcoin, using the many SHA256 mining machines that already exist in a more efficient way. It benefits the users via cheaper and faster txs, sticks to the whitepaper, even Satoshi's coins are still there on their private key so it is fair historically.

>>7481902
Sorry should have included the tweet:
https://twitter.com/satoshilite/status/949597754543583232

>>7481959
what is RSK

>>7481924
saying it was Jihan is retarded conspiracy shit. I personally bought a big batch because I thought infowars would pump it.
If volume was good on OKex it could have been any whale

Besides how would it be bad if they pumped it lmao. Its great having billionaires to support your coin.

>>7481823 (YOU)
Literal fucking retard alerts

Big blocks scale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbD0kiTddEs

2nd layer shit is ok ////as a minor part of the network//// aka a channel between bittrex/binance/coinbase etc but not for every day use. Aka you use it for super high volume, persistant transactions but when the fucking blocks are full then EVERYONE is forced to use it. Its fucking RETARDED because its literally just the internet style connectinos as a second layer. You plan on running a lightning node? Cute, now whats it gonna connect to? You ahve to have a super fucking well connected node to actually reach the place you want to go. So what does that mean? You're gonna pay a fucking monthly fee the BlockstreamTM supernode service or ComcastTM supernode service or AT&T supernode service so they can reroute your payments with high channel liquidity and highly connect nodes. You really think this is the future? Wake the fuck up core cucks. You've been fucking hijacked and you're letting politics blind you like rabid dogs. Its honestly reminiscent of liberals in the 2016 election screaming muh racism muh bigotry muh nazis like headless sheep

Make no mistake, the true OG ancap and libertarians that were the early crypto adopters are all anti BTC core cuckoldry

>>7481682
>why Bitcoin is not Bitcoin

>>7482008
If you do not mind small groups of people manipulating the market to take advantage of everyone not in their cabal, well, i rest my case. You do you.

>>7482108
Where do you think you are. Go trade some SEC regulated securities cucklet.

crypto is libertarian

>>7482075

you're not going to make it.

>>7481022
I don't think you were watching the same interview as I was friend.

>>7481022
The two core shills sounded like they were paid operatives. "LOL BCASH IS A CHINESE SCAM"

>>7482214

i died when those two callers kept referring to trash as bcash
so good
sooooo gooooooooood HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
eat shit Roger. fucking soyboy

bcash please

>>7482179
So you went from "you have no proof it is Jihan" to "I do not care what they do"

>>7482241
and to have blasted that truth on a supplement shilling talk show geared towards incestious midwestern americans. parfait

>>7482261
right. that's why bcash is completely manipulated by a chink miner and a scumbag con artist

>>7482251
>hurr durr bcash is a scam because roger ver sold firecrackers and jihan wu is chinese
Yea Im sure Alex and his audience who deal with retarded leftist shills almost full time will fall for that.
Fucking whew those callers made Roger more legitimate

>>7482261
Nobody knows who pumped. I personally bought big time because I knew Infowars is big.
And if It was Jihan I would approve of it. Yes.
Your marxist jelly-ideology doesn't phase true bitcoiners and libertarians.
Wanna know why Jihans company is #1? because hes the best at it.
Why is Roger in most successful BTC startups? because hes a fucking good entrepeneur and I'm glad hes pushing for satoshis vision.
They are real assets.

>>7482327
Did you take too much super male vitality?

>>7482437
super male 30% gains are enough

>>7482427
So stoping people from scamming others is "marxist jelly-ideology" now? What about the police? Should they come to defend you when Jamal hears you have some crypto and comes to bash your skull. At which point do you think government should protect the normal people against the predators?

>>7481474
>Digital currency
holy shit what is this meme, how the fuck did roger ver get this lucky lmao

what a retard

Still Climbing in Price and Bullish

>>7480869
>>7480888
>>7481306
>>7481545
>>7481630

The samefagging is strong in this thread, it's like a swarm of pajeets descended on /biz/ to FUD Bitcoin Cash like they were paid to do it

>>7482530
anon
let them have their moment,,
it comes once in a blue moon

till the next few months Vercucks! hang tight.

>>7482530
>BCH is a scam
again claims with no arguments. If anybody is being scammed its the BTC bagholders who get duped into thinking LN will work or uphold decentralization.

>>7482562
What are you even saying. Bitcoin being electronic cash is literally in the whitepapers title.
Bcore does not qualify as currency anymore, just like the core devs and blockstream admittedly intended.

>>7482619

>worth less than half the amount of sats than it was a few months ago

god you faggots are the fucking worst, every fake bcash pump is the same, with the same shills showing up afterwards. fuck off back to plebbit with this shit

>>7482700
whew

>>7482721

6 month leader? bcash is only 6 months old you fucking retard. Once again, it is worth less than HALF sats than it used to be. Do you not understand this concept? holy shit

>>7482697
I see i am talking to a brainlet here. I never said "bcash is a scam" i said these market manipulations are scamming people out of their money because they are not "real" price movements.

>>7482784
Bitcoin (BCH) started in 2009 friendo

>>7482804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luzYxFIcDmU

>>7481474
the only reason transactions are cheap is because nobody is using it

>>7482869
You are biggest brainlet in the fucking Milky Way. Do you not understand difference between insider trading and market price manipulation? I am talking to a retard here. I just do not want to burn any more calories arguing with a peanut brain cashie.

>>7482938
It will always be cheap because blocks will always be "empty".
32 MB blocks coming this may with the same hardfork that will activate the OPcodes and pave the way for tokenization and smart contracts

>>7482784
BTC was at 20K and it is at 8K now
BCH was at 4,3K and is 1,5K now

everything faceplanted

>>7482969
Again, where do you think you are? Go trade some SEC regulated securities cucklet.

crypto is libertarian. You can buy/sell pump/dump with your money whatever you want.

>>7483002

bch was .34 sats
it is now .16, and will drop after the pump fails again

I can't stand bcash supporters. Literally can never shill the coin on its own merits. It's always bcash vs btc. In addition to every thing thats wrong with it, it has the most retarded fucking "community" and probably the worst spokesperson possible. You wonder why everyone hates it so much, this is why. It doesnt help that you only come out during the fake pumps either. I have every original coin from the fork and i hope this shit goes to 0.

>>7481823
> scared shitless because they know how LN is going to drive merchant adoption.

No one will use lightning on btc. Onchain network to obsolete for LN to resuscitate blockstream's rotting carcass of a coin

>>7483128

and ffs just call it bcash, it sounds better

>>7483168
This. Blockstream didn't patent LN because they realize it won't work.

>>7483128
>he counts in sats of a useless slow banker-controlled shitcoin

>>7483197

count in fiat then you dumbfuck
sold your bch months ago, and bought it back? 2x more fiat

or count it in shitcoins
sold your bcash 2 months ago? buy it back and get 2x bcash

literally the dumbest fucking shills

>>7483128
>Literally can never shill the coin on its own merits

no shilling here, but i'm good in making money

measuring BCH in sats is obviously not Bitmain's endgame

>>7483128
>the most retarded fucking "community" and probably the worst spokesperson possible
indeed - it might have amounted to something but for the loathsome people backing it

Does Roger Ver have asperger's syndrome?

>>7483233
I sold all my coins when the bubble obviously popped.
Still DCAing in and will have at least 5xed my portfolio when im done.

>>7480888
/thread

>>7480888
it will continue rallying

>>7481854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E97g-zbR0aU

>>7482437
Attacking Alex audience will definitely sway people to Blockstream.

>>7483259

if bcash had any shot, it would have been being a legitimate "we're a fork of bitcoin, because we think bitcoin should be x". Maybe people would have taken interest and it could have developed into something. Not massive shilling, misleading people through bitcoin.com and twitter campaigns "BCH is the real bitcoin". Not having roger ver as your fucking frontman. They shit the bed by doing this, and constantly trying to start fake pumps to FOMO people into thinking it would flip BTC just makes them look more asinine.

>>7482995
>32 MB blocks coming this may with the same hardfork that will activate the OPcodes

My body is ready.

>>7483457
All of what you said is nonsensical reddit FUD.
BCH literally is the real bitcoin.

t. actual early adopter (2012)

>>7483457
Bcore Segshit shouldn't be deluding people into thinking it's Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a currency, which bcore is not, Bitcoin is driven by the free market, whie bcore is controlled by a totalitarian central planning body, Bitcoin is free from government control, which bcore won't be thanks to lightning. Bitcoin Cash is everything Bitcoin was supposed to be, and by the laws of economics, only it has a future.

>>7483457
>Not having roger ver as your fucking frontman.

indeed. they made a bad move in an otherwise meticulously planned takeover attempt

Ver is just not much of a likable person, neither is the dollar vigilante, etc., etc.

This is the least attack resilient network ever. All those hops inviting Sybil attacks. Centralized hub points of failure that NEED to be online at all times otherwise everybody's money goes byebye.

They even list the fucking IP addresses of the goddamn hubs. Just click a hub check the URI@IP in the bottom left corner and DDOS the shit out of it.

https://lnmainnet.gaben.win/

It also doesn't even fucking work anyway:

https://twitter.com/starkness/status/953434418948927488

>>7483579
Roger shilled BTC heavily in the early days. Crypto as a whole wouldn't be where it is today without him starting the shilling in 2010.

>>7483579
>Ver is just not much of a likable person, neither is the dollar vigilante, etc., etc.
I find them to be extremely likable people, unless you're a fucking commie statist, in which case nobody cares about your feelings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wEj3Rk1PJ0

>>7482530
>At which point do you think government should protect the normal people against the predators?
A government *is* the biggest predtator in a given geographic area, hency why the need for bitcoin - to protect one's savings from its extortion and the fiat ponzi scheme.

>>7483639
he did play a part, but the war for hearts and minds is on a different scale now, while he is still pushing the same rehashed narrative from five years ago. 'regular' people are scared of zealots with hints of neuroticism

>>7483677
i might as well be a commie if i'm talking to you for free haha

>>7483677
i like roger but my only problem with him is he just says "you can send bitcoin cash to anyone in the world at any time instantly and for pennies" like 20x every interview, i'd like for him to actually discuss the future scaling of bch, like is just having no limit on blocks enough for bch to scale to hundreds or even thousands of txps? and why exactly is segwit and LN not enough to allow bitcoin to scale?

>>7482677
> Implying that BTC and BCH are not shilled by the same team of people.

This goodcop badcop is getting old, nobody is falling for it anymore fucking shills. Buying either is kill in 2018, so obvious even norman got it.

>>7483830
>he is still pushing the same rehashed narrative from five years ago. 'regular' people are scared of zealots with hints of neuroticism
What is it about what he's doing you disagree with exactly? It's not about whether you're liked, it's about whether you're right, and that's what wins the race in the long run. The thing with you commies is everything you say 1)either makes no logical sense 2)has no content, such as the meaningless empty statements as these

>>7483913
He uses his soundbites in interviews like that where he doesn't have much time to get the point accross to newbies. There are plenty of podcasts where he talks in depth

>>7483626
>They even list the fucking IP addresses of the goddamn hubs.

They have to, every LN node must be known publicly to make routing possible.

>>7480869
Go to the piratesbay and see what they accept for crypto donations

>>7483995
>implying they figured out routing
I shit you not, right now the routing is so shitty, the only way they have to verify it right now is sending small test-transactions to see if it gets through

>>7484032
go on 30k bitpay-using shops and see which coin they all start accepting in Q1 2018.
lel

>>7483966
link plz, especially any where he talks about btc vs bch scaling

>>7483995
lel

Corecucks claim Cash supporters or I guess Ver "spammed" BTC, spiking the meempool. If Cash people really wanted to shit on them, they'd just DDOS their retarded LN nodes.

>>7484058
they get technical in his debate with richard heart for instance

>>7480869

who you kidding fag?

bch will win

>>7483818
Yes, but Jamal is a super predator. Do you want anyone to step in and help you, or should you just defend for yourself, and if you are not able to, meh, who cares?

>>7484033
On mainnet or testnet? That's interesting, did you test it yourself?

I don't think they care about routing, few banks (like strike, literally a LN _bank_ that you have to trust, made by LN developers) and few hubs are the only model that's economically viable anyway. Current network topology is economically absurd.

>>7484132
The fun thing is, once people unilaterally withdraw from not responding hubs their funds are going to be locked for 24 hours (time limit for penalty transactions). A simple ddos of major hubs could be really effective.

>>7484322
>On mainnet or testnet?
There are multiple implementations but basically they send sortof "ping transactions" to see if the route they want to use actually works.
That alone should tell any software developer what a shitty solution it is at this point in time.

Keep in mind every Channel along the way needs a balance that is higher than your tx so even if you have a working route, it can only transfer as much BTC as the thinnest channel on your route

>>7481682
The problem with btc isn't that it doesn't follow thet original idea but far worse than that it made a critical mistake when it went 100% all into the LN which isn't likely to ever be used. Just compare btc with Ethereum and Monero, they will have their own LN but it'll be in addition to many other scaling solutions, they didn't put all their eggs in one solution which doesn't exist yet.

>>7485128
yup. Ethereum has multiple highly skilled teams working on several solutions while the BTC devs chill waiting for third party vaporware to appear and solve EVERYTHING

>>7485288
Etherium is also an ICO which got huge funding. also they they own the token, while companies involved in btc do not "own" anything.

>>7485414
They could easily create an alliance to set up many teams to explore all scaling strategies in depth. Hell they could probably collect funds for it if they tried.
Instead they go LN or bust and ban everybody discussing the alternative methods

god im so sick of this bullshit, blockstream can suck my dick, and roger ver really need a marketing PR team because god... he throws tantrums...the only half fucking sane person in crypto right now is vitalik and the kid is about half most of our god damn ages.

>>7485525
spergs are our greatest strength anon

>>7481677
Found the 12 year old. Go to bed kid

>>7481959
Bch should have privacy features. It's like the only thing they could do right now which will make btc obsolete.

>>7486058
extensionblocks with zksnarks are literally being worked on

>>7483390
>17:59
WILL YOU RELEASE THE CUBE?

>>7486058

coming soon, no worries

>>7485525
>he throws tantrums

Better than the passive aggressive whining of the Bitcoin soyboys.

>>7486270
this
They hate how authentically enthusiastic he is for freedom

THEY'RE TURNING THE FROGS GAY!!!!!!

>>7486154
Any sauce on this? I've heard it a lot but can't find anything on it.

>>7486401
For now you can use coinshuffle to tumble your coin. Its implemented and works:
https://news.bitcoin.com/meet-cash-shuffle-the-privacy-centric-protocol-for-bitcoin-cash/

zksnarks in extensionbloks are still in planning phase. Heres a writeup by BitcoinABC lead dev:
https://www.yours.org/content/adding-zero-knowledge-to-bitcoin-cash-95a2a022a387/

>>7481959
So LTC then?

>>7483545
Precisely! bch is like Linux, you can't kill it and has many implementations competing with each other. btc is like windows before it had competition - a buggy centralized software no one can improve on and reinforced by the government for helping it as a surveillance tool in people's homes

Bch is like Linux, you can't kill it and has many implementations competing with each other. btc is like windows before it had competition - a buggy centralized software no one can improve on and reinforced by the government for helping it as a surveillance tool in people's homes

>>7484058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1BjDHhuVk

>>7487117
goddamn heart is such a cuck.
How doesnt he realize the answer to all his woes with BTC is BCH?

>>7483626
>https://lnmainnet.gaben.win/
HAHA! That's Core's decentralization.

>>7487212
>How doesnt he realize the answer to all his woes with BTC is BCH?
Because he's a narcissist who craves people seeing him as important and most youtuber normies support btc and that will hurt his popularity?

>>7487511
Its ridiculous though. He rants for a full hour that BTC sucks now because they fucked up by neglecting IRL adoption and then shits on the only Bitcoin with a real push towards actual adoption.

>>7487597
>neglecting IRL adoption
That's his smallest rent. see >>7486274

>>7483390
oh shit how will he ever recover BCASH BTFO'D