/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>7345944
Im Sorry Darwin, Im sorry

apologize

>>7345944
I remember you were a leach and never worked a day in your life. My only wish is that you died a slower, more painful death.

>>7346021
I love it when shithead liberals come right out of the gate demonstrating that they know absolutely nothing about marxism

>>7345944
b-b-but some propaganda and lies about communism
CAPITALISM HO!

>>7345944

Under marxism they solve the problem of market collapse by not having a market in the first place

>>7345944
is that jackie chan?

Who doesn't remember one of the largest sociopath leeches in the history of mankind?

haha le seize the memes of production man i too am sick and tired of crapitalism but first i need to give eternal lip service to a thousand minority groups and homosexual childfuckers instead of actually focusing on class consciousness and elevating the working class because im a liberal retard haha oops i fell into another manufactured corporate trap oops how does this keep happening haha

>>7345944
World bodycount champion 1900-2000. Impressive resume.

>>7346156
>american education

>>7346124
>liberal
>commie
?????????????

fuck off old white guy

>>7346122
That honor goes to contemporary upper-middle class bubble dwellers

Who doesn't remember the cause of feminazis and LGBT movement.

COINERS OF THE WORLD UNITE

"capitalism does live by crises and booms, just as a human being lives by inhaling and exhaling. First there is a boom in industry, then a stoppage, next a crisis, followed by a stoppage in the crisis, then an improvement, another boom, another stoppage, and so on.... The fact that capitalism continues to oscillate cyclically...merely signifies that capitalism is not yet dead, that we are not dealing with a corpse. So long as capitalism is not overthrown by proletarian revolution, it will continue to live in cycles, swinging up and down. Crises and booms were inherent in capitalism at its very birth; they will accompany it to its grave."

>>7345944
Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: Karl Marx was right again

>>7346219
americans

>>7345944
Biggest sack of shit to have ever left his shit stains in history?

Ye I remember you dude, got a job yet?

>>7346057
k keep me posted Caleb

>>7346357
t. 13 year old ironic nazi

>>7346219
For rightwingers everyone they don't like is a liberal sjw cuck soy.

>>7345944
hey marx, didnt your system crash and burn already, meaning you have no room to talk about any drop in the stock market?

>>7345944

Ah yes, the ultimate Jew.

>>7346449

Yeah but they just need to kill and starve more people for it to work this time

>>7346407
subhuman commie, kys

>>7345944
>The economy is a zero-sum game
This guy was the biggest idiot since Jesus

>>7346486
cmon guys, n.....not real socialism guys. only 200 million need to die this time!

>>7346504
Holy shit, the edge

>>7346532

Yes, we can't let those fascist capitalists win at any cost, even if it means killing every human on earth

>>7346532
>Stalin killed 60 bajillion! The CIA told me so!!!!

>>7346486

>>7345944
looks like the hobo who hangs out in front of the liquor store always asking me for spare change

this board proves he was right

>>7346407

I have more respect for teenage Nazis than 40 year old commies in a /biz/ thread

>politically against gainz and socioeconomic mobility

Get out

>>7346556
Also the massive landfills full of corpses, but still...

>>7346587
t. 9 year old neonazi

NIKKEI DOWN 5% HAN SENG DOWN 4% IN THE 40 MINS OF OPENING GG GUYS.

>>7346581

Government is no different than a greedy corporation, except compliance is mandatory.

Prove me wrong.

>>7346340

>>7346643

Why don't you go pay the IRS maximum taxes you retarded kike.

>>7346302
>GUISE THERE ARE CYCLES OF CRASHES IN CAPITALISM ALRIGHT
>provides no tool to predict when they'll happen so I can shirt assets and become rich af
>the use value of a product and surplus value extracted by capitalists have never been estimated, they're useless non-mathematical concepts
>didn't even know Calculus when he wrote Capital
>deified by a bunch of History and English undergrads who know exactly zero Math

>>7346565
>this doesn't happen in commie countries

>>7346353
>>7346447
i don't get it..
how do people think liberals are commies?
>>7346587
neither of the two make sense in commieland. there's nothing they can be applied to, save for personal tasks like hobbies desu
>>7346663
t. marx

>>7346733
They actively deny that Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea and that African communist shithole exist.

>>7346733

Commies have to attack capitalism because they have no arguments to put forth in favor of communism.

>>7346532

>>7346021
>on a board full of literal neets

>>7346717
>taxes=communism
>>7346763
>70% of GDP being privately produce is communism

ITT: People who are so unimaginably braincucked by whatever trash they were fed in public high school social studies that they are somehow able to ignore the bodies piling up all around them as a direct result of denying basic resources to people in the name of property and profit for the owner class

How do those boots taste you massive faggots

>>7346763
Cuba is doing a lot better than Puerto Rico friendo

>>7346302
crises and booms have existed since way before capitalism was even a thing. So what exactly is this jew criticizing? greed? power?

>>7345964

KEK

>>7346694
That is the most retarded quote I have seen in my life

was Marx's clique proto-/biz/?

>>7346843
>cat shit is slightly better than dogshit.

>>7346717
>pay taxes to a government that doesn't exist
>>7346763
>communist places with states

>>7346556
mass killings were acknowledged by soviets themselves shithead

>>7346902
>>7346892
back to your discords retards this is a board about business not retarded ideologies

this but unironically

>>7346932
are we supposed to worry about subhuman kulaks now?

>>7345964
lmao

>>7346827
>>7346930
>redistribution of wealth isn't communism
>state-controlled means of production isn't communism

>>7346944

>>7347053
no, that's socialism.

>>7346836
the irony when 80% of high school teachers are left-wing or borderline socialists

Humans have lived in absolute misery for thousands of years until capitalism around. You guys are fucking ignorant af, for example blaming early industrial capitalism for child labour, when every agrarian society in the entire world had child labour. Only under capitalism that hundreds of millions of children didn't need to work anymore.

>>7347053
hey check out this cool website I found it's called double you double you double you dot google dot com. you can type in "communism" and hit "I'm feeling lucky!"

>>7346447
>>7346753
Because their ideology is the anti-thesis of masculine ideals.

>>7347053
>private industry is actually controlled by the state
Woke
>>7347088
Never had a socialist teacher in high school and only had one Marxist professor in university, and I live in New England for Christ's sake
/pol/yp's are literally delusional

>>7346827
>>7345944

I am Venezuelan, we owe our 999999999% inflation rate per second to this guy. Who could forget?

>inb4 not really socialism

haha kill yourself

>>70% of GDP being privately

The state controls all major industries, including OIL which is 99.9% of the dollars that come in the country.

You should really check your info, the government has spent almost 2 decades expropiating private business and dumping them to the ground for social justice.

>>7346946
Then they would have the same issues every population has when it grows past certain number of individuals. In which you need a system to trade goods, another system so they dont scam you by the system to trade goods, a police department to enforce that system,etc and when you realize you would have the same city from the start, but now inside floor 20 of the building

>>7347079
socialism's supposed to lead to communism according to your prophet.

>>7346946
>he thinks marxism is just hippie shit

>>7346753
>i don't get it..
>how do people think liberals are commies?

they aren't, dipshit. and yet you see modern """leftists""" giving lip service to marx and engels, sharing their sassy socialist memes on nosebook thinking they're so WOKE but turn around and gobble corporate dick. it's the ultimate normie condition

>>7347053
according to Marx it's literally not. Communism in his theory was an end state to history which can only happen post-state. Socialism was what he defined as the state control of the means of production.

>>7345944

>>7347088
lol

yes there's a problem when, thanks to the industrial technologies invented and built by WORKERS, you live in the most materially wealthy society in human history but children still have to work in the mines lest their families starve

you fucking idiot

>>7347176
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/18/socialism-private-sector-dominates-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade.html

yes

>>7347288
the only reason you even consider child labour absurd is thanks to capitalism. It was absolutely normal previous to it during all of human history, and yet you blame it on capitalism. I'm not defending it, opposite, you're just an idiot.

>>7347458
>he only reason you even consider child labour absurd is thanks to capitalism
You like super-capitalism or something

>>7347088
they teach from curriculum written by neolibs or right wing
>>7347176
>state capitalism ruins shit
wow thanks for the revelation
>>7347190
>lead to
>>7347195
no such thing as ethical consumption.......
you're right tho, they praise these corporatist fucks and spew out socdem shit, but gotta keep the neolib shit up even if you spew socdem platforms.

>>7347208
Considering all attempts at communism have ended in socialism we can conclude that that is communism because in the quest to implementing communism this is the closest we are able to get to.

>>7345944
>control the means of production of your crypto
>still crash into poverty

FUCK U COMMUNISM IS A LIE

>>7347458
>the only reason you even consider child labour absurd is thanks to capitalism.
you're absolutely fucking nuts

>>7347288
Here you can see the problem with people following the 200 year old ideology of an armchair anthropologist thinking they are revolutionary.
The critiques marxism raised against capitalism have been fixed, yet these idiots still peddle 1800s marxist talking points.
Like i always say, an ideology of degeneracy.

>>7347540
>personal property is private property
kuso image

feudalism is our natural state.
the problem is we can't decide who gets to be the lord.

>>7346021
>you were a leach and never worked a day in your life
Engels paid him so he could focus on investigating and writing, though, but it's fine if you're completely ignorant of history.

>>7347720
>t. never read mutual aid

>>7347544

>wow thanks for the revelation>state capitalism is just another buzzword for failed socialism wich is 100% of socialism

dont worry anon, your particular communist party will get it right this time :^) expropiate everything, subsidize everything, print money like crazy, redistribute wealth and put bureocrats in control of the economy, just like Venezuela and Cuba but it won´t turn out like that, your version will work amazingly

>>7347821
>state
no, thanks. ancom is best com

>>7347796
>reading asiatic garbage

>>7347910
>no state
>just a army of clueless rebels running things
yeah that's not like a primitive barbaric form of state

>>7347704
>The critiques marxism raised against capitalism have been fixed
lol

>>7345944
The world remembers you as one of the instigators of an eventual movement that would kill millions and is killing even today in NK and Venezuela

>>7347562
Socialism and communism are used interchangeably, but marxists understands socialism is a lower phase of communism. Revolutions where done by people with a communist ideology but were obviously trying to establish a socialist economy, not a utopia.

>>7347821
Why do they always feel compelled to cherrypick Venezuela and why do they seem to always forget Cuba is better off than many other Latin American countries despite the embargo

>>7348063
it's really hypocritical reading these crocodile tears about the millions of dead when you and the rest of the shills wouldn't give a fuck if they'd died under capitalism

>>7348155

>>7348042
I'm sorry, I didn't realise you grew up in factories working to provide for your family. I didn't know you watched countless friends die in factory contraptions. I didn't realize most of the people in your community barely had enough food this winter. I didn't realize corporations still use private security to beat citizens into submission and to fight eachother.
Fucking retard.

>>7348015
>not reading books that helped shape biology today
>>7348032
not really. making it beneficial for those around you to cooperate is what makes it orderly, since altruism and mutualism are part of evolution

>>7347360
>faux news
Was this also reported on InfoWars? lmfao

>>7348256
>if you export it to a different country it no longer happens

>>7348130
No, that's projection, because you don't care about the deaths your ideology has caused.

>>7348256
>we have diversified our economy so less people get their hands cut off in industrial accidents which means that these problems are solved even if there are new problems cropping up all the time
fucking moron, there also aren't any horses crapping in the streets since nobody's riding in coaches anymore, doesn't mean we're living in a paradise

>>7348329
what about deaths under capitalism?

>>7348313
funny that it happens the most in Communist Party-controlled countries like China and Vietnam

>>7348064
So literally communism hasn't been tried yet.

>>7348329
people have died violently during every era and every ideology
all we can do is look at the circumstances objectively (or at least as objectively as we can) and try and fix the mistakes of the past

>>7348120
>Cuba is better off than many other Latin American countries
LMAO, still using soviet shit and shitty chink technology.
>Interest free loans
That's Nazi stuff. Gaddafi was a fucking nationalist.

>>7348410
>they call themselves communist therefore they must be
>the Democratic People's Republic of Korea calls themselves democratic so they must be

>>7348358
Borderline slave slabour still exists you moron. Just not in capitalism.

Capitalism is an autocannibalizing system. Literally a ponzi scheme. It will be its own downfall.

>>7348418
sure thing buddy

>>7348387
Of which are none
>>7348451
Or we could make broad sweeping vacuous generalizations so that we don't have to discuss the fact that your ideology actively killed it's own citizens.

>>7348215

>>7346763
Cuba is the only socialist country on that list.
Venezuela is succdem that has less Government spending and regulations than European nations.
North Korea is Juche which is "post socialist" according to them.

>>7346057
he literally took patronage from Engels for basically all of his life and wrote a system about how people will want to work cause they will magically be re-enfranchised with their labour again, which might I add is a giant fucking spook as the labour theory of value is fucking gay and retarded and your labour does not define you, the ego does that

>>7348451
You can look at socialism objectively and conclude that it always leads to shortage of food and consumer goods in general, slavery, is only sustained by extreme militarism, suppression of freedom and espionage of your own citizens. The "socialism of the XXI-century", aka Venezuelan socialism is heading towards the exact same.

>>7348601
>Or we could make broad sweeping vacuous generalizations so that we don't have to discuss the fact that your ideology actively killed it's own citizens.
and which hasn't? if there's anyone making broad vacuous generalizations it's you.

>>7348418
revolutionary eastern cameroon
>>7348516
the workers would have to sell their labor at those prices that constitute slave labor under communism
>>7348601
>nobody has ever died under capitalism
wtf why did i have to go to funerals then

>>7348616
oh I'm sorry I was too busy looking at m a t e r i a l c o n d i t i o n s to worry about what your gay-ass edgelord had to say

>>7348656
yes, authoritarian socialism is shit. just like authoritarian anything. of course, you conflate these two terms because fighting against strawmen and erasing any complexity is convenient. except when it comes to capitalism, then suddenly there are more layers than in an onion.

Robot slaves and space communism never ever
in this decade

>>7348605
Feels aren't arguments though.

>>7348771
It's not that complicated. Socialism is force.

>>7349049
everything is force

>>7349162
Wrong. You're free to start your own faggoty little commune if you like. Nobody's forcing you to do it. Force me into it and I will monkeywrench that motherfucker to death, on principle alone.

>>7348663
Point to one generalization i made retard. Do tell me all those other ideologies that have genocided their own cituzens
>>7348749
>the workers would have to sell their labour at those prices thst constitute slave labour under communism
Because communism redefines slavery to serve it's purpose through the fallacious idea that the worker can not be compensated. Capitalism compensates the worker better than communism does. You can see this because you don't have a class system composed of the majority extremely poor and minority extremely rich like in communism, and because people have what to eat, unlike in communism.

>>7349253
>Socialism is force.
>You're free to start your own faggoty little commune if you like. Nobody's forcing you to do it.
good example of motte-and-bailey

>>7348750
sounds like a spook, you vile piece my property

>mfw spooked filth speaks to me

>>7347715
I think you need to read it again... it's pretty funny

>>7347057
You think I give a fuck about ecology?
Fuck nature, if humanity wants to grow strong it needs to learn to live independently from anyone and anything else in this planet.

>>7349434
>Point to one generalization i made retard.
here:
>your ideology actively killed it's own citizens
broad - check
sweeping - check
vacuous - check
generalization - check

>Do tell me all those other ideologies that have genocided their own cituzens
and now the goalposts are moved from "killing" to "genocide", because genocide is a more nebulous term
so I'll just say that communism hasn't genocided its own citizens

>>7349461
Call it what you like, but not everything is force, as you wrongly stated. The NRA is a collective, but you aren't forced to join. You are free to start a commune or any collective you like, and if it was so fucking wonderful you wouldn't have to force everyone to join, but you do because it isn't workable. You know it requires force and that's why you wouldn't make an argument against my assertion. Fact is, if collectivism is so great, why can't you lead by example and show us hapless rubes? Why does something so neat require forced membership? That's all I'm going to say because I would rather shoot commies than debate them, as they love moving the goalposts and are general turds not worthy of life.

>>7349750
good luck eating lmao

>>7349902
Dependency on nature is weakness.
Eating is another weakness that must be fixed.

>>7349533
dude, egoism is for teens who haven't read the german ideology. your nonsense about spooks hardly matters when people can't fucking feed themselves you liberal piece of trash

>>7349049
>socialism is force but capitalist privatizing land and giving people no choice is not

>>7346021
>never worked a day in your life
Fucking based

>>7349958
lol ok.

>>7349854
>You know it requires force and that's why you wouldn't make an argument against my assertion. Fact is, if collectivism is so great, why can't you lead by example and show us hapless rubes?
because, you fucking moron, your "well why not just start a commune hehe" is like asking people to join the nfl as the san francisco commies or whatever and come out into the field with tennis rackets playing with a tennis ball while operating under NFL rules - AKA losing every single game

>>7350042
Yeah, Earth is indeed a dumpster fire, that's why we need to become independent from it.

>>7349902
We won't need to eat soon. Only a steady stream of electrons and nutrient paste to keep our brains alive.

>>7349963
look, you can start your own business where every worker holds a share that is proportional to the total amount of workers, many people have tried, these experiments are often subsidized by very left-leaning countries, they don't succeed.

>>7345944
He fucked my country. Fuck communism

>>7345964
Kek

>>7348616
>>7349533

>spook
>ego
>PanzerJäger

Wow. I didn't think the people this was written for existed. I thought it was just a meme.
https://theconjurehouse.com/2016/11/18/the-stirner-wasnt-a-capitalist-you-fucking-idiot-cheat-sheet/

Yeah, you were horribly wrong about everything.

Remember when living standards for workers dramatically increased in the 1800s when you said they would decrease?
Lol

Marx would love Bitcoin. The Marxist theory of labor holds that any amount of work produces a corresponding amount of value. He'd cum his pants over all the gigawatts you nerds waste on mining.

>>7346527
>le capitalism is why I'm poor
How do people this dumb even know how to breathe?

>>7349774
Saying things doesn't make them true.
It is not broad. It has clearly defined within the limits of your ideology.
It is not sweeping for it does not sweep multiple concepts under one umbrella.
It is not vacuous for it is factual.
It is not a generalization because you'd need more than one subject to say somethings are being generalized.
No, when you talk to everybody about communism and killing they know what you're talking about, unless you're a deluded ideologue like yourself. No wonder you don't see what's wrong with communism when you blind yourself to its faults.
I hope you at least have the self-awaraness to realize how unreasonable you look when you deny communist genocides, but somehow i doubt it.

>>7347208
Zizek has terrible fucking arguments

>>7346302
*overthrows capitalism* *instead of life being a boom crisis cycle it is now an eternal crisis*

>>7350225
Stirner and marx were both fucking idiots that didn't believe in human nature and human instincts

Marxists are basically creationists/evolution denialists

>>7346836
honestly why are you even here if you are not a capitalist. go back to /lit/ or some daydreaming retard board

>>7350391
>when you deny communist genocides
nobody's denying shit
the question is, why do they bother you so much when capitalism kills even more in less time

>>7345944
ACTIVATE IT

>>7349959
I'm rather well read in philosophy and am currently writing a thesis on my position so I'd say I'm rather set in my ways

also pretending you are honestly caring for random people is DEFINATELY spook territory

>>7350225
>mfw a spooked suckdem thinks that I think stirner is a capitalist

also I'm not a pure stirnerite I'm really my own thing but I draw from a lot of egoist philosophers

The economy is shit because of central banking and government intervention, not because of this vague thing leftist retards like to call "capitalism".

>>7350527
LMFAO

want to guess how I know you haven't read marx or stirner?

>commies on /biz/
It's a raid, folks

You know what goes in the options field

>>7350207
You're missing the point and changing the topic. And cooperatives aren't socialism because they're forced to operative in a capitalist framework.

>>7350555
>capitalism kills people

now I am a bit of a capitalism shill cause its the best thing we can do at the moment, but this meme spread by tankies really needs to stop its embarrassing

Communists fall for the idea that communism will free then from oppression, but that's false. It will free them from capitalist oppression at most, and there are many other types of oppression.

They also don't realize that parties and government are just group of people, humans. And socialism and communism is about giving the elite in those group super powers, super powers that they or their succesor could abuse

The only ideology that free us from oppression is libertarianism

>mfw spooked faggot communists think that their labour defines them

>mfw spooked faggot capitalists think their property "rights" exist

>>7350210
Venezuela was always complete shit and was basically in the same state today as it was back in the 90s. In fact, Venezuela's most prosperous period economically was in the mid 00s under Chavez.
Venezuela ironically also would not be suffering these issues if it actually engaged in real Socialism and didn't just implement half-assed social democratic policies like price controls on certain goods.

>>7350600
>the economy is shit because the government saved the economy through quantitative easing

>>7349742
wtf i love supercapitalism now

>>7348256
>I didn't realize corporations still use private security to beat citizens into submission and to fight eachother.

are you literally asleep?

https://www.alternet.org/story/151732/21st-century_slaves%3A_how_corporations_exploit_prison_labor

https://www.thedailybeast.com/taxpayer-funded-horror-at-standing-rock

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Colombia-Coca-Cola-Accused-of-Funding-Terrorist-Paramilitaries-20160901-0005.html

>CAPITALISM IS EVIL XD

>COMMUNISM IS EVIL XD

spooks

OUT

>>7350740
if an old man in moscow 1975. slipping in the bath, cracking his skull on the bathroom floor and dying is a victim of communism then so is the young gangsta who gets shot on the streets of LA a victim of capitalism

>>7350344
how on earth was that your takeaway lol

>>7348453
>Gaddafi was a fucking nationalist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi#Great_Socialist_People's_Libyan_Arab_Jamahiriya

2.3 The "Popular Revolution": 1973–1977
3 Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
3.2 Revolutionary Committees and furthering socialism
3.4 "Revolution within a Revolution": 1987–1998
5 Political ideology
5.1 Islamic modernism and Islamic socialism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_International_Theory#Socialism

The Third International Theory, also known as the Third Universal Theory (Arabic: نظرية عالمية ثالثة), was the style of government proposed by Col. Muammar Gaddafi in the early 1970s, on which his government, the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, was based.

>>7350555
> i'll just say that communism hasn't genocided it's own citizens
Do you even posess conscientiousness ? Are you trying to convince me that i truly shouldn't feel bad about killing communists ?
Like who ? Niggers spawning niglets they can't feed in Africa? The only there even are as many of them as there are is because capitalism has been dumping first aid in africa increasing life expectancy.

>>7350547
I'm here for the same reason as anyone else. To escape wage slavery.

>>7350253
apparently some chink tried to argue in court that btc had zero value according to marxism so he should get refunded for his trading losses. kek

>>7351002
>The Great Purge
>Decossackization
>The Holodomor
>The Great Leap Forward
>The Cultural Revolution
I'm farting for real right now

>>7350904
Im unironically a Venezuelan dude
And whatvtiu said is completely false. Chavez period was the one with the most government profits because of high oil prices, and even though the economy turn to the worse. And since Chavez put all the eggs in the oil nest, we are looking the consequence with Maduro. Its the worse moment in Venezuelan, ignoring the civil war of course.

Dude I was a commie when I was younger but realized that it was bullshit later on.
>>7350772
Most communist involved with Chavez has spoken against Maduro. Even the inventor of 21th century socialism.

>>7345944
I am unironically an American Nazi and you worthless fucks will burn. Sieg heil.

>>7350597
>I'm incapable of empathy

wew

>>7348453
>>Cuba

>>7350740
Yeah you're right economic systems don't kill people, so we can all agree communism didn't kill 100M?

>>7350710
I'm new, i just assumed /biz/ is like /news/
>>7351002
That's a nice strawman you got there

>>7351170
Nazi's are like 50 levels deep in spook realm

>>7350930
It didn't save the economy it just postponed the crash and lowered living standards in the meantime

>>7350580
Kill all commie bootlickers

>>7351184
indios unironically are longer lived than whites genetically

>>7350997
STIRNER STRIKES AGAIN

Being a commie in 2018. Collectively kys please

>>7351181
I'm not incapable of empathy as I have individuals I care for

but a random person who will never serve interest to me nor will I ever interact with is not someone I care about and not someone I want to diverty my property(everything) to helping

caring about that is a social norm drilled into you and nothing more

>>7346057
>>7345944

>>7351217
>It didn't save the economy
So what's your solution? Another great depression?

>>7350956
> muh poor criminals
> muh poor drunk injuns who sold their land and now want it back
> muh funny meme

>>7351108
>Do you even posess conscientiousness ?
absolutely, unlike you
I never denied that people died under communism, but these:
>>7351152
aren't genocides
nobody except freaks and shills recognized them as such
sorry to burst your retard bubble

>>7351334
That's not enough.
WWIII.

>>7350997
classcucks (capitalist shills) are the most spooked of them all.

>>7351184
>muh health care
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426334/look-how-cubas-working-class-lives-scott-beyer

>>7351285
It's basic critical thinking. You are not a fucking island. Everything you will ever have in life is a result of the collective labor of the human race.

>>7351416
History tends to repeat itself.

>>7351212
>That's a nice strawman you got there
don't give me that shit, that's the whole subtext of these "GORILLIONS" conversations, if a tree fell on you in a remotely communist country it's the fault of communism, lenin and stalin pushed the tree or something
meanwhile in capitalism someone dies of diabetes because they can't afford treatment and it's a sad fact of life, but nothing to do with the system

>>7346219
Liberals and communists are in opposition. Fucking idiot burgers

>>7351344
They are well documented, and they were admitted by Gorbachev for all the world to see. Unless he was a shill too.

>>7351344
Holodomor was a fucking genocide
You vatnik tankie fucks genocided my people for shits and giggles
kys

>>7351538
are you incapable of understanding simple words? they aren't genocides. call them mass murder, whatever you want.

>>7351509
I don't care about the sides, or the motives for it, I just hope it lasts only a few hours and that 99% of humanity gets turned into dust.

>>7351509

>>7351441
>Human race
>Implying niggers are human

>>7350439
pure ideology

>>7351441
and what obligation do I owe to any of those individuals as a product of their coexistence along side me

fucking nothing

The only thing I am objectively accountable to is my own will and the full expression of my own will

spook

>>7351427
capitalism is ok honestly considering we aren't post scarcity and probably wont be for a while and that command economies fester in inefficiencies and mismanagement of resources

I'd like to see a post scarcity world where we don't have to use supply demand and thus prices to determine resource acquisition but I'm honestly not sure if thats possible

>>7351620

>>7351201
People dying because of crime rates is very different than a police state shooting protestors.

>>7351527
Scratch an American liberal under the age of 50 and you'll find a communist

>>7351569
no it wasn't, sorry buddy

>>7351569
holodomor wasn't really on purpose

the killing of kulaks was but the entire thing was an mismanagment of the collective farms cause command economies are shit

>>7351184
Based Cuba, I bet those faggots love Linux.
That blood pressure tho.

>>7351666

>>7351663
>ME!ME!ME!ME!
>Read my book!

>>7351678
Do you mean criminals?

>>7351663
aight then don't cry out for actual leftists' help when you're sold into slavery you fucking idiot.

>>7351678
Of course it is. Deaths under capitalism are a consequence of the capitalist system. People shot by the secret police are just reactionaries that deserved it. :^)

>>7351782
live free or die trying desu

>>7351201
Capitalism cannot kill people because Capitalism is nature and the minimum framework of rules in order to avoid conflict. Private property plus lockean appropriation principle is simply the most effective way of avoiding conflicts over scarce resources.

Communism kills people because in order to achieve it you need to oppress the accumulation of wealth and force decisions, sometimes upon people who would rather do something different.

I don't kill you if I don't feed you, you're killing yourself.
Death by inaction =/= kill

I kill you if I prevent you from feeding yourself or finding ways to do it.
death by action = kill

>>7351663
>muh spooks
can we underage ban these people or what?

>>7351526
Maybe that's what the deluded mind of communists has spawned but i've never heard that argument made by a non commie.
I mean i get where you're coming from:
> communism dindu nuffin
> people say gommunism didu sumthin
> must be this strawman
Unlikely to die of diabates.

>>7351863
the spook thing is more of a meme honestly

again like I said not a pure stirnerite

I'm my own brand of egoism I havent thought of a name for yet

>>7351779
>if muh ideology calls it a crime them its okay to kill them
Nice spook and even better hypocrisy.


>>7351798
>capital punishment in a capistalist system is bad
>capital punishment in a communist system is good
Good think you notice you're hypocrisy with the carrot nose meme

Good to know that Pinochet did nothing wrong because being a commie was a crime

>>7351509
Should put churchill and roosevelt around his neck as well, and mussolini triping him.

>>7351750
So much for tolerant liberals.

>>7351429
>muh healthcare
>they don't even have blu-ray players, flatscreens, or pounds of butter and cream in their fridge
>the weather is fantastic and people hang outside shirtless in the afternoon because they don't have work 60 hours a week for rent
>how impoverished
nice hit piece
America #1 diabetes and obesity lmao

>>7352012
>So much for tolerant liberals.

>>7351993
>>if muh ideology calls it a crime them its okay to kill them
That's literally what you did you fucking retard lol >>7351678

>>7351993
>Good to know that Pinochet did nothing wrong because being a commie was a crime
I unironically take this position. Communists should be pre-emptively jailed before they take a shit on everything.

>force decisions, sometimes upon people who would rather do something different
I'm sure the diner waitresses dreamed about serving food for sub-minimum wage

>>7351594
>they aren't genocides.

They killing people based on social class and other arbitrary distinctions. It was systematic culling specific groups of people. Just because they didn't do it the same exact manner as the Nazis doesn't mean it's not genocide.

>>7351663
>and what obligation do I owe to any of those individuals as a product of their coexistence along side me
NAP? Social Contract?

What do you even believe? If you don't care about the kid in Afghanistan mining aluminum to go into your phone, is he justified in killing you in a terror attack?

>>7352049
>

>>7351859
>own all the food
>keep it locked away and maintain a police force to protect your stash
>deny everyone access to the food unless they have tokens
>they get tokens by working for you
>periodic crashes inherent in capitalism mean that they can't always get tokens
>people starve
>not your fault??????

>>7351166
>And whatvtiu said is completely false.

No it literally isn't. Consumption and growth hit high points between 2005 and 2007. Poverty was reduced by 60% and diversification into agribusiness was flourishing. Then 2008 hit and Venezuela was hit hard by it, being forced to rely once again on oil, then 2012 hit.

The Venezuelan economy was actually doing quite well in the 2000s.

>Its the worse moment in Venezuelan

More people were being killed in the 90s in mass violence and protests.

>Most communist involved with Chavez has spoken against Maduro. Even the inventor of 21th century socialism.

This I actually agree with, Maduro is a retard. But that's because the PSUV have turned the economy into a giant Carousel fraud system so they can enrich themselves. Maduro actually went and fired pretty much all the Socialists in the PSUV and hired pro-Market people, then fired them and hired absolute /x/-tier retards who allow him to consolidate political power.

One of the hilarious ironies about Venezuela. If Chavez went full Leninist, it literally wouldn't be having this crisis.

>>7347540
hold on this sounds like anarcho-syndacl

oh

>>7352095
nobody except you and your fellow morons considers it a genocide
because if it is a genocide then we can talk about double digits genocides done by capitalists, I can twist words as well as you can

>>7352102
>If you don't care about the kid in Afghanistan mining aluminum to go into your phone, is he justified in killing you in a terror attack?

How is it his fault?

Would that kid be better off if we didn't buy phones or if we didn't install factories in their country?

>>7351594
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

>>7351859
Ah yes, so it's not real capitalism and it's real communism when it's convenient.

>>7350956
uh oh, th-th-thats false capitalism!

I mean, yes capitalism obvious conclusion is that the elite grows attaining so much power they influence whatever government there is in place, but if this wasnt the natural conclusion of giving powerful people more power, I mean without that stuff, capitalism (REAL capitalism) would be a system where the small guy with a good idea could become rich without needing any tie to preexisting powers.

Obviously, if the government doesnt put some laws and shit to prevent small people from breaking monopolistic abuses. I hope the people with enough power to influence the government doesnt use said power to perpetuate themselves at the top. It would be totally, completely FALSE capitalism

>Bitcoin and the DOW Get all fucked up
>/biz/ gets pissed
>/leftypol/ decides to gloat about "Muh crisis of Capitalism
>We /leftybiz/ now
I hate this timeline

>>7350128
>because, you fucking moron, your "well why not just start a commune hehe" is like asking people to join the nfl as the san francisco commies or whatever and come out into the field with tennis rackets playing with a tennis ball while operating under NFL rules - AKA losing every single game
Hey, if you feel the need to come up with your own colorful way of saying your shit is weak and won't ever win the competitive contest of life, you're free to do it.

>>7350738
You do know the the 1 percent consist 3 million people

>>7352103
>>they don't even have blu-ray players, flatscreens, or pounds of butter and cream in their fridge

>>7352167
>Genocide is intentional action to destroy a people (usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group) in whole or in part.
thank you for quoting it, so everyone can see that it doesn't apply

>>7352158
You kill a lot of people that have something in common. It's genocide. Not that hard.
You're the only one twisting words and projecting.

>>7352226
You do know 6 people own half the world's wealth.

>>7351975
>I'm my own brand of egoism I havent thought of a name for yet

>>7352158
You're a fucking retarded commie. Dictators like Mao and Pol Pot ordered people of landowning classes to be killed. The actions happened. There's no fucking twisting of words, you subhuman commie degenerate.

>>7345944

>>7352225
could you win the competitive contest of life if the law and the economic system literally stopped you? no.

>>7352107
>capitalist economy crashes
>it recovers

>soviet economy crashes
>it implodes permanently

>>7352107
>Says this when life expectancy is at the highest ever and deaths for malnourishment at the lowest

Any evidence to back up the feasibility of your hypothesis or are we going to pretend we're fucking retarded and go with what you just wrote?

>own all the fud

Life must be challenging once you reach this level of stupidity

>>7352062
yeah, I guess you're fine with the Pinochet regime institutionalizing rape and torture as punishment against "le ebil gommies" too?

go back to >>>/pol/ and quit muddying up the rest of the chans

>>7352239
>soyboy

>>7352289
except it isn't:
>Genocide is intentional action to destroy a people (usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group) in whole or in part.

>>7352370
this is a pro-capitalist board, fuck off back to /leftypol/

We need to create Communist swaps. Swap unironic Communists with Venezuelans who want to leave.

>>7352370
Nothing the Soviet secret police didn't get up to.

>>7352169
Capitalism doesn't need violence to be implemented, no coercion.

Communism needs coercion and violence therefore it can lead to deaths. Revolution of the proletariat et al.

>>7352102
the NAP is literally subjective morality that pretends to be objective

the only people I should care about is people who are of interest to me

either because I genuinely enjoy the company of such individuals or can use them to further my will expression

the ideal world for me would probably be a few hundred people I legitimately care about and the rest of the world slaving away under threat of death robot extermination to fulfill my and those whom I care about's wills

>>7352370
Yep. The idea of torturing evil people gets my blood pumping.

>>7352390
?

>>7351663
Fucking g tripfags are so self important. Your threads are shit on /fit/ and your posts are shit here. This is an anonymous website you retard.

>>7352051
Retard, I was mocking your argument.

I see starving people everyday here but you cry because you blame the capistalist for not being able to buy the new iMac

>>7352120
Any retard president would have suffered during the oil boom, but you keep worshipping Chavez.

Dude cmon you're not serious with the protest thing. Look up the protest in 2014 and 2017, I had friends die. Millions were protesting.

I agree with you, the PSUV turn into a Mafia. That's why im not longer a leftist, because I realized that socialism or.communism gives huge powers to the political elite, and that elite could get corrupted fucking everything up. As I said, I used to be a leftist, communism only goes half the way with capitalist oppression, but libertarianism also deal with party/government oppression. That's why im libertarian now.

We have people knocking our doors crying asking for food because they have not eating in days. And its awful to say no because I don't have food to spare.

>>7352048
The weird one with Cuba is people keep comparing it to the United States, rather the absolute fucking shithole Central American and Caribbean neighbours.
Would you rather live in Havana or Tegucigalpa, San Salvador, Caracas, Acapulco, Guatemala City, San Pedro Sula etc.
It also shows the limits of using GDP as a metric. Cuba has a low GDP, and so does Vietnam and actually, so does China per capita. But the poverty rates in those countries are dwarfed by their capitalist neighbours. Vietnam is a 100x better place to live than the fucking Phillipines or Bangaldesh or Myanmar.

>>7352368
>capitalist economy crashes
>it recovers by exploiting the rest of the world
>it continues to crash periodically

>soviet economy crashes
>due to decades of liberal economic policies, US sanctions/embargoes, and finally dissolving undemocratically

>>7352309
well sorry that I am intelligent and capable of thinking for myself as opposed to parroting a bunch of NEET jews

>>7352492
>Venezuela
>Socialist.

>>7352504
>Capitalism doesn't need violence to be implemented, no coercion.
tell that to the workers killed by coca cola

>>7352531
?

>>7352587
nice revisionism
you had almost 75% of the world's population and well over 66% of the world's resources under socialist/communist regimes at one point

>>7352533
cry

>>7351300
>I raped my maid (...)
[citation required]
>I lived off (...)
his family and close friends were completely fine with it; they knew he had to dedicate time to his intellectual work
>I had 7 children, out of whom 4 died of neglect
What the fuck do you think was the average infant mortality rate in the mid-19th century?
>muh dictators
Wasn't aware of Marx influencing the likes Hitler and Pinochet.

>>7352635
None of those are true socialism :^)

Venezuela is trying their best, though!

>>7351170
Kill yourself.

>>7352421
So you agree. Now maybe we can get you to understand basic economics.

>>7352655
What do you want a source on?

>>7352574
Bangladesh is run by socialists
Myanmar is run by socialists
Most Central American/Caribbean states are run by socialists

>>7352369
If you weren't a knuckle-dragging mong you would understand the point, which is that hoarding property is not some sort of innocent, passive act. You might not be doing the dirty work yourself but your precious "rights" and "ownership" are maintained through violence and are inherently violent because they deprive others of basic necessities of human existence.

Also, the fact that there is ANY undernourishment anywhere on earth when we live in the most riotously wealthy global society in human history says a lot about the grinding death machine called capitalism which you love so much

>>7352725
Forgot image

>>7352652

>>7352492
>unironic Communists with Venezuelans
why do you think i want to go to some state capitalist oil fun place
not every commie is into the socialism to wither away the state.

>>7352107
Perfect description of communism

All the socialists here Arguing here that these current economic issues were caused by capitalism are right to an extent
But this is not about capitalism being good or bad
Truth is its just the best system weve got atm
If we reach as stage of heavy automation and Post-Scarcity then yes socialism may become possible

But as of now capitalism is the best weve got and weve got to stick to it

>>7352572
>Any retard president would have suffered during the oil boom, but you keep worshipping Chavez.

But in oil booms in the past, the wealth was just siphoned out of the country and the vast majority of people remained extremely poor.
The price controls DID work. They massively increased consumption and lowered poverty. Sadly, 2008 hit. Venezuela would be in a very different place today if 2008 didn't happen, it would also be in a very different place if it just went Leninist and didn't try play dumbass half-assed "Scandinavian Socialism".

To paraphrase Karl Marx "Those who try to build Socialism on the purse strings of the rich are like those who try to build a castle on sand"

>>7352468
/leftybiz/ here

supply and demand is basic economics

marxist theory is advanced (meta)economics

Its easier to make emotionless trades when you don't make the mistake of thinking you deserve wealth based on inherited property relations. Most people in positions of authority don't deserve them, meritocracy is a lie, capitalism is inevitably crony-capitalism as long as selfish stupid people are allowed to accumulate wealth and power.

I think the absurdity of this latest bitcoin boom has made it self evident to a lot of NEETs that wage slavery is exists because of private ownership of the means of production but they haven't been able to form the correct words.

>>7352760
that pic isn't helping your case

>>7352842
>wither away the state
And yet, the opposite seems to keep happening every time a Communist party takes power...

>>7352511
so your ideology i the guy with the biggest fist gets to maintain his property

nice meme. well thought out. good job.

"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out."
Luke 13:28

>>7352922
again, this is why i don't like the idea of withering away the state. i like the state smashed, never to be rebuilt again.

>>7352894
ok I really don't want to hear about a communist talk about anything pertaining to economics

also your projection about muh class consciousness is rising is spooky

>>7352636
So you're claiming that killing those people was necessary for the implementation of Capitalism or was consequence of people being able to accumulate wealth? If I smash your head against a wall is that Capitalism fault too?

Subtle difference between someone going rogue for his own interest doing something against Capitalism (non aggression principle) and the elected representatives of "the people" expropriating farms in the name of communism leading to starvation.

>>7352992
>i dont want to hear a communist talk about economics
>he doesn't realize marx is enormously influential on all modern economics, even bourgeois ones

>>7352991
>smash
>the state
Anarchist thinking really is retarded.

>>7352774
>neoliberal capitalist oligarchs and literal monarch kings that have no problem reporting to IMF, Bush Obama or Trump are socialists

lmao read a fucking book

>>7352891
Marx also says you need to build capital in capitalism to build socialism. Truly the consistency of the man knows no bounds.

>>7346565

Lmao now take out the deaths from 3rd world command economy shit holes and see the number drop dramatically.

>>7352951
>so your ideology is the guy with the biggest fist gets to maintain his property

yes exactly

shared mutual interests and the formation of voluntary unions however is what prevents the state of nature meme

>>7353007
>against Capitalism (non aggression principle)
capitalism isn't the non aggression principle you fucking moron
by that logic I can say that socialism or communism is by definition not violent and then say that none of those regimes were communist because they were violent

>>7352836

>>7353035
name one thing any serious capitalist pays attention to or considers from Marx

nothing he ever claimed ranging from labour theory of value to alienation theory to surplus value or anything actually stands up to solid criticism

>>7353053
So China and Vietnam aren't socialist then?

>>7352922
Leninism is State Capitalism. Literally.
Karl Marx says Capitalism will self-implode basically due to mass automation and development of AI. He doesn't use those direct words but it is the concept behind Organic Consumption of Capital.
Leninists believe they should "Control Capitalism" to make it reach a point very quickly where they can start the facilitation of change into Socialism. This basically means, they just create giant State-Capitalist megastates like the USSR or China.
USSR went full retard under Stalin and China is yet to be seen, though Xi is eyebrow raising as a Socialist honestly.

>>7352781
So who has a better claim over that property than the person who first put labor into it? A bum who arrives 10 days later and claims he has the right to half of what you produced?

My ownership is not maintained through violence, violence is only required after violence is initiated against me, in which case my violence would be more than justified.

We live in a wealthy society precisely because we let people who create wealth store wealth. Kill the incentives, allocate resources on people who consume instead of people who create, and see how quickly we degrade to a society that can't afford to wipe their own ass.

>>7352781
How do you explain my country, venezuela starvations? Who do you blame of that? The CIA?

>>7352891
Dude you seem smart, like you actually do critical thinking. Please read about Carlos Andres Perez. He was the most socialist president in Venezuela, he nationalized he oil industry, not Chavez.

The current opposition leader is the hide president of the International Socialist. This is not commies vs porkies. This is corrupted keying thieves pretending being socialists vs everyone else.

The price control only hurted us. Read about the prove control of 2016, I spent months waiting outside stores with the hope that the food truck will arrive because there was no food left. I would spent 4 hours per day. Per DAY. and sometimes would not buy anything. I eat raw potatos with nothing else for weeks. So no, it did not worked.

It was only when the government allowed imports from Colombia and Brazil again at a floating price that we had rice again.

>>7352836
>>7352652
>>7352531
>>7352390
>>7352239
>>7352103
>>7352049
Fascinating...it's almost as if cherry picking is meaningless shit flinging that both sides can easily do to and produces absolutely nothing substantial.

>>7352836
>p-please be socialist venezuela I need to win good capitalist shill points

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/18/socialism-private-sector-dominates-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade.html

>>7353205
well first of all that property is mine to begin with you are simply occupying it for the time being

>>7350937
>>7352125
>they didn't know
You lot fight Libertarians at every turn but an-synd is the functional end goal of any and all individualist philosophies. The only different between Left-Lib and Right-Lib is the timescale at which it happens (immediate, forcible or painfully slow, autonomous).

>>7353203
whoops wrong image.

>>7352894
>wage slavery is exists because of private ownership of the means of production

Commies keep repeating this shit, but they never explain in detail how a business owned collectively by workers is different than workers owning shares of the company.

>>7352781
Life us struggle. You will undeestand this once you stop being 12.

>>7353094
>capitalism isn't the non aggression principle you fucking moron
Non aggression principle is the only way unaltered capitalism could flourish, so yeah, in its core capitalism is the non aggression principle.

>by that logic I can say that socialism or communism is by definition not violent and then say that none of those regimes were communist because they were violent

Excepting you couldn't because it would be quickly demonstrated false. In order to implement communism/socialism you need to oppress people.

>>7353140

>>7353205
>My ownership is not maintained through violence, violence is only required after violence is initiated against me, in which case my violence would be more than justified.
the mere act of ownership implies violence

>>7353303
lol this is a spooky as fuck statement

>>7353301
because some asshole isnt telling you what to do lol

>>7353007
>So you're claiming that killing those people was necessary for the implementation of Capitalism
Yes. In order for Coca Cola to exist they need sugar cane plantations in a tropical region and people to work on them. In order for them to see profits and revenue they need property rights. For this to happen they have to overthrow the local government and institute one that is favorable to capitalism ie: recognizes property rights. Usually the people that are farming the land where a new bottling factory goes are killed or forced off their generational land at gunpoint because the US finds the most reactionary force in the region and gives them billions of dollars in arms and says they can have 1% of coca colas profits if they act as a security force to protect the newly invented property rights.

See: Korea, Gran Columbia, Banana Republics(not the clothing), Afganistan, Iraq etc on and on Also see Hillary suppressing the minimum wage in Haiti last year so she can continue to harvest organs from children. I know you /pol/ types love that one.

>>7353379
>Also see Hillary suppressing the minimum wage in Haiti last year so she can continue to harvest organs from children

this is your brain on spooks

>>7353345

>>7353094

By that logic..... Logic? That's not logic that's peanut brain going in overdrive creating a shit analogy.

Socialism and communism by definition take wealthy away from people by force through the government. The very nature of these idealogies are rotten to the core. You literally can't have socialism without violence. This is why every fucking time it's tried millions of people fucking die. Cause it's a shitty idea since the get go. You'd have to literally change the idea of socialism if you'd somehow want it to be peaceful. But at that point it's not socialism.

>>7353222
stop exposing /pol/ tactics, delte this

>>7353242
>socialize the industry that commands over 75% of the entire economy
>"n-not socialism"

>>7353360
>the mere act of ownership implies violence
It doesn't, ownership is conflict resolution.

If nature's resources were infinite we wouldn't need rules of engagement, but since they are, since you cannot occupy the same piece of land I am using without violence, since you cannot eat the apple I picked without stealing it from me, we need private property.

>>7353367
One asshole versus a group of assholes telling you what to do.

>>7346087
>>7345944
>>7346057
You'll all get yours

>>7353341
this guy explained it pretty well:
>>7353379

>>7350210
Yes a GDP composed of 70% private firms and 30% publicly owned firms is very communist.

>>7353360
>the mere act of ownership implies violence

Violence from parasites who want steal from other people.

>>7353379
>For this to happen they have to overthrow the local government and institute one that is favorable to capitalism ie: recognizes property rights

And how did Coca Cola exactly do this?

You do understand that stealing my money and using it to finance destabilization of countries is anything but Capitalism?

>>7353185
The only thing that I still keep from my readings of Marx works is the dialetic POV

If you still believe everything that Marx wrote, you are really behind communist development and studies.

>>7353360
Here is my ETH wallet, send me your ETH because I have 0 and you are attacking if you don't send me anything
0xb3fe834af274b17da9f888604a63ad29c4d3866d

>>7353379
You know the communist reforms did shit like that too right? Mao and polpot moved more people by gun point than cocacola by far

>its different because it was a government
Then stop complaining that the US did the same shit. Be coherent

>>7353502
>make a commie thread on /pol/
>expose your ideas to the whole board and reach the bump limit

>make a right-wing thread on /leftypol/
>permabanned

>>7353360
>the mere act of ownership implies violence
Give me everything you own, by not doing so you are committing violence.

>>7353511
>It doesn't, ownership is conflict resolution.
ownership is a flag on a property that says "I and only I have the right to use this in anyway I see fit and if you disrespect this right, state agents will come and arrest you"
violence

>>7353601
THE FUCKING DIALECTIC

HEGELIAN SCUM OUT

>>7353203
>Karl Marx says Capitalism will self-implode basically due to mass automation and development of AI.

Progressively more organized, advanced production tends to require more hierarchy and more centralized power. The liberal (and Communist) fantasy seems to go along the lines of replacing hierarchy, governance, etc. with AI or some system of automated rule-following so that no one can actually hold positions of power.

Of course this is pure anarchism and fucking stupid, and will absolutely not happen in reality, what will actually happen is that the State will become even further centralized and all-powerful.


Seriously, think for a minute about it for a minute when you say something like "all property shall be held in common under Communism". This necessitates some sovereign power capable of preventing anyone from asserting ownership over any piece of property, effectively acting as delegator of property. At this point we've practically re-invented monarchy.

Fuck off, gringos.

The CIA made some dictatorships here in LatinAmerica (because USA always fears communism)
People who weren't communist died because military brainless euphorya.
The Operation Condor and project FUBELT.

Shut up and assume you sins.

>>7353256
Left ideas, communism and socialism, are not individualist philosophies. This is completely and utterly wrong. Both are group over individual philosophies. Exactly what the university teach right now. "The lie of individualism" literal thing you have to write a report about.

>>7353502
>Argue your ideals on /pol/
>People refuse to accept them
>FUCKING ECHOCHAMBER
>See Not-communism post on /leftypol/
>Poster is banned, thread is locked
>READ MY BOOK! DONT ARGUE! WE ARE NOT AN ECHOCHAMBER BECAUSE WE CONSUME DIFFERENT BRANDS OF COMMUNISM!
I don't even like /pol/ due to all the lolberg shilling but you guys are even more retarded.

>>7353673
>and if you disrespect this right, state agents will come and arrest you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

>>7353599
>not real capitalism
holy shit and you people have the balls to make fun of the "not real communism" meme
nothing except some lala land friedman rand imaginary place is real capitalism but you're still happy to tout the accomplishments of these "not real capitalist" statist hellholes as great capitalist achievements

>>7353673
I already explained why ownership is necessary, now you're not arguing it, you're just claiming it's unfair.

So, if it's unfair, who has a better claim over the area than the first person who mixes his labor with it?

>>7353733
as an egoist I guarantee you are less individualist than me

>>7352504
Capitalism does need violence. Property needs to be protected using violence and contracts need to be enforced using violence. Just because you call it the NAP or whatever doesn't mean it isn't a law.

>Be a Orthodox Marxist
>People keep trying to implement Socialism decades before OCC fries the Capitalist system

Capitalism is still useful and has not outlived it's historic phase. Technology is not yet at a point for Socialism to take place.
Fucking stop trying to push Socialism, most of all in fucking shithole corrupt as fuck developing nations. Before historical development is at it's necessary stage.
Socialism first has to take place in the US, Japan/South Korea, Singapore, Australia, NZ and the EU, you know DEVELOPED TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED REGIONS, Not fucking shitholes like Venezuela, Mongolia or durkadukawestilleatrocksstan.

It's like most Socialists have never actually fucking read Marx.

>>7353733
Communism is individualist. Karl Marx wrote at length about it.

>>7353528
Not if we get you first.

>>7353775
>I already explained why ownership is necessary
no, you made soem assertions that you think are true, that's all

>>7353758
>Implying
There are literally 5 threads on leftypol right now not bumplocked which were right-wingers. The only time something is locked is when something is shitposting or obvious bait.

>>7352774
This is only valid when you broaden the definition to include a fully capitalist economy with some state intervention.

>>7353688
???
Marx used it too bro. Its actually one of his highest points and realizations.
Get out of leftypol my man, it fried your brain
>>7353583
>the governmenr controls the biggest companies and have strict laws regulating everything with the excuse of "making them socialist without intervention "
If you don't think is communist them stop defending it.

>>7353863
>>7353528
prepare to be insurrected spooks

>>7353766
So stealing my money and using it to bomb the shit out of countries that have nothing to do with me in the name of democracy is Capitalism? Sounds more like socialism to me.

Capitalism is not democracy, Capitalism is not taxes, Capitalism is accumulation of wealth, private property and contractual obligations.

When Communist brainlets claim "it's not real communism" they cannot pinpoint exactly why it is not. They claim "well, they are corrupt, therefore it wasn't communism", when it was precisely communism what leaded to that corruption in the first place.

But how does Capitalism lead to democracy?

>>7353607
>make a commie thread on /pol/
>80% of the replies are logical fallacies despite the image being pinned on the board, the rest being literal shitpost

>>7353758
>post right-wing thread on /leftypol/
>it's actually a shitpost bait or a question he could have googled himself
>REEEE WHY AREN'T YOU SPOONFEEDING ME

>>7353923
and the ideas behind left hegelians lead to marxism

>>7353877
literally a lie

>>7353935
>they cannot pinpoint exactly why it is not.

Because it's State-Capitalism. Only braindead Leninists think State-Capitalism = Socialism.

>>7353935
hey dumbass maybe your snowflake definition is wrong, maybe you don't know shit about shit

>>7353766
But real capitalism did exist, until lincoln, and it limped on in the 20th century.