/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>>/b/

>>681683
>implying we aren't /fit/

>>681683
>>681727
Also I just wanted to point out how similar both boards actually are:

>both are centered around self improvement and rigid discipline
>both have to deal with plebs starting "ok im fat as fuck how do i get fit in 2 weeks" or "how do i 20$ into 200k in a month"

They're very complementary and adopting the ideals of one board will get you closer to adopting the ideals of the other, due to their inherent similarities.

>>681733
And if you look passed all this shit you can actually do a decent job at bettering yourself.

The general idea of op's post is good though. Get in physical shape AS WELL as getting in financial shape. I'm all for that.
Plus you feel better and not feeling suicidal all the time does wonders to making more money

>>681683
toppest of keks OP

I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine.
In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now.
After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion.
In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

>>681683
I am doing anything I can to be attractive.

What does /biz/ think of plastic surgery?

Been contemplating jaw augmentation myself.

>>681683
I'm one of the best looking people on this board and I dont have to see any of you to know that.

>Going to gym for 11 years
>Perfect body
>Most clothes custom tailored, even sweaters
>Branded clothes
>Perfectly polished shoes at all times
>Perfect posture
>Working on lower voice improving
>Perfect skin
>Taking finasteride AND dutasteride AND a whole ton of other treatments to stop hair loss
>Teeth straightening
>Teeth whitening

I look very good now compared to how I looked before.

If I looked about 5/10 face wise, my face is now at least about 7/10 conservatively speaking.

Body is at least 8/10, most women would say that 9/10 or 10/10.

This was really hard work, but recently I've been able to look in the mirror and really feel good about myself. Feel happy, knowing that I did the best to preserve my looks well into 20s and improved a lot.

Now only need to become a milli and life will be settled.

>>681733
Thats why I only use those two boards...and /int/ lol

>>682878
It's a great idea if you have real faults and want surgery like Le Fort I, II or III (god forbid). Or orthodontic surgery.

Implants and fillers, however, mostly fail. They look unnatural, too "puffy" or whatever the word is.

If you have jaw issues, consult with orthodontist, you might be eligible for a surgery.

I think rhinoplasty, jaw surgery and hair transplantation can dramatically increase your looks. Other procedures - not so much.

>>682881
Sir, you seem to have the same dedication to personal development and aesthetics as I do. I am only 22 but I judge you are somewhat older than myself from your post. With this wisdom, would you care to share some advice and resources concerning the things you mention above? Particularly skincare, voice improvement and hairloss? Thank you.

>>682878
I think all kinds of non-medical cosmetic surgeries should be outlawed.

Think about it. The only reason you'd do this would be to hopefully fool a person from the opposite sex into choosing to mix your genes with theirs to produce offspring. Your putting your own needs over those of human gene pool and those of who you'd attract by doing it. Noone wants an ugly kid with shit genes.

If, on the other hand, someone with good genes would choose someone with bad ones for whatever reason, they should be allowed to do so because it's their own choice. But fooling their subconscious into thinking you're a suitable mate of equal or even higher quality is mean.

Also nothing changed visually about the lower two examples.

I'd murder the upper one though.

>>682889
Yes. About skin care, if you are having issues, just visit a high ranking dermatologist (preferably with pHD) and you will get prescribed custom medicine specifically for your skin. Don't tan. Use moisturizer and sunscreen in summer. Use shades in summer when you are outside.

Voice improvement - you just have to train it. Put big A4 papers before each ear and listen how you sound when you talk (this makes sound go around so it sounds as people hear you). Stretch neck upwards and tilt head back and speak then. You will get a lower voice.

Hair loss - if you are getting any signs of hair loss, hop on daily 1.25 mg finasteride ASAP. This is the best drug against hair loss. People will scare you with sides, but they are minimal (if any) for 1-5% of people and go away if you stop using it. I recommend 1.25 mg daily finasteride with 5% Minoxidil applications 2x a day and washing your hair with Nizoral shampoo 3x a week. You most likely won't regrow hair with this, but you can slow down hair loss dramatically. If you have lost too much, you might be a candidate for hair transplant once you stabilize your hair with drugs. Choose only doctors from IAHRS with proven track record.

My father was very bald by my age, but I managed to thicken my hair and slow down hair loss with lots of treatments.

>>682902
>Think about it. The only reason you'd do this would be to hopefully fool a person from the opposite sex into choosing to mix your genes with theirs to produce offspring. Your putting your own needs over those of human gene pool and those of who you'd attract by doing it. Noone wants an ugly kid with shit genes.
They shouldn't be outlawed. I like to see beautiful people. Having kids after these surgeries should be outlawed. And, in fact, a husband sued wife in China because they had an ugly kid. Turns out wife was horrendous and had numerous plastic surgeries that she did not tell him about. He won the case.

>>682902
>concentrated autism

>>682902
Also, keep it mind that it's not just genetics. The guy in picture most likely was a mouth breather and ate shitty food, so had improper jaw development. If you eat like the obongos in Amazon jungle, you will have nice wide jaw with horizontal growth. Mouthbreathing is another aesthetics killer. You have to keep your teeth closed with tongue against your mouthroof. This improves facial bone growth and posture.

>>682861
Your morning routine sounds eerily similar to my girlfriend's morning routine.

And that's just not right.

>>682881
All that work and you average out to a 7.5/10, conservatively.

You sound like the equivalent of a 1990 Honda something. You're a money pit and I hope your parents aren't footing the bill.

>>682902
I sort of agree. I don't want to procreate with a woman and later find out that my kid is going to grow up to look like Shrek because my wife was piss ugly at one point.

>>682944
>All that work and you average out to a 7.5/10, conservatively.
And that is huge. Because going from 5 to 7 in insane change in social standing. Or do you say it's better to be an uggo and not even try?

As socrates said: “IT IS A SHAME FOR A MAN TO GROW OLD WITHOUT SEEING THE BEAUTY AND STRENGTH OF WHICH HIS BODY IS CAPABLE.”

>>682930
Thanks. I asked about the hairloss because unfortunately I am already receding at the hairline not insignificantly. I have been on 5% minoxidil 2ml per day and nizoral x2 per week for about 2 years. I'm considering now taking finasteride as you suggest but the erectile dysfunction sides are extremely worrying.

>>682952
Minoxidil and nizoral won't help alone. They are BS. Just start using finasteride to slow progression, then get a HT after a few years of stabilisation.

Erectile disfunction won't be a problem unless you are a super Low-T beta, even then, as I said, it will go away.

No use of that dick if you can't get a girl to put it in anyway (and if you have odd head shape and are bald, you won't).

>>682954
>Erectile disfunction won't be a problem unless you are a super Low-T beta, even then, as I said, it will go away.
It will go away after stopping the drug. It's not permanent. I never had any sides in my life even from Avodart, but I am high T.

>>682955
Yeah i'm for sure high-T. Just i'm sure you've seen the stories where people claim even short periods of fin have caused permanent dick destruction. Hopefully this is scaremongering or extremely rare.

What is Avodart and do you buy your shit cheap
online or prescription?

>>681733
I came from /fit/.
>>682902
On the bright side, people with the financial means to get frivolous non-medical cosmetic surgery done have at least proven that they are able to function better in their environment than those who are not financially able to splurge on cosmetic surgery. That counts for something right? I know I'm treating the attribute of thriving in a capitalistic environment like a "gene" but maybe, just maybe the genes of the individual in this situation has something to do with their success; and maybe that's worth mixing into the human gene pool.

>>682941
Does your girlfriend spend her days asking people to check these dubs?

>>682986

>>682960
These people are always placeboing all over the places and don't want others to use fin, so their competition goes bald. So many men use fin with success. If you have high-T you have nothing to worry about. You know there is also viagra.

>What is Avodart and do you buy your shit cheap
Avodart is a stronger anti androgen than fin. I would not recommend it unless you are sure that fin is not working. Avodart is generally for treatment of prostate cancer. It's more expensive and I'd buy it in a legit pharmacy, not order online. Wouldn't want to get fake shit and have my hair falling out.

For both fin and avodart you need a doc's prescription. Ordering online might work, but I'd rather buy the real deal at pharmacy. Fin is dirt cheap anyway.

>>682995
Thanks for all advice

>>682931
>Having kids after these surgeries should be outlawed
That sounds good but it would never get the support of majority because it infringes too hard on the one single thing almost everyone wants and can feel empathy towards those unable to do it. It'd be much easier to ban cosmetic surgery.

>And, in fact, a husband sued wife in China because they had an ugly kid. Turns out wife was horrendous and had numerous plastic surgeries that she did not tell him about. He won the case.
That's a meme and the picture is from a cosmetic surgery ad.

>>682937
He was a mouth breather because he had shitty genes. Probably asthmatic and allergic to everything and had permanent stuffy nose.

Eating shitty food would also ruin your sperm, which means that while the quality of your own genes doesn't change, but the quality that your sperm gets, does.

In fact I'm a mouthbreather myself but my jaw is a-okay thanks to genes.

>>682948
That's not even taking into account all the other problems shitty genes produce.

>>682968
Firstly you're overestimating the cost of cosmetic surgery. Or maybe you're just from America. In free healthcare countries you just need to cry about your shitty jaw ruining your life and you get it fixed for free.

>That counts for something right?
I'd say that's arguable but I've thought of the same thing and I'm still not sure.

I am attractive and looking to get my way into a legit jib without a degree and with a felony

>>683236
what's the felony bro

Any opinions on Beta Carotene Tans? Just got some astaxanthin and lutein as I read that's more appropriate for those with pale skin. Anyone else supplement to look better?
I'd say I've gone up significantly in attractiveness since I got rid of my shitty old haircut and started supplementing to fight acne.

>>682902
>I think all kinds of non-medical cosmetic surgeries should be outlawed.
What a digusting liberal, I don't like something so it should be banned. Kill yourself, please.

>>682879

I'll take that challenge. I'll bet 4 bizcoins I'm handsomer than you. We can let the crowd decide. I'll post a pic when you accept

>>682930

Watch out for the depression. I went on this shit for 1 month then quit and it fucked me up for a whole year. Mad depression. That's not everybody though, could have just been my personal reaction. Just be careful

>>681766
How to stop feeling suicidal all the time?

>>682881
What products and such do you use? I'm 18 and am looking for advice for things I should be doing right now to preserve etc.

>>683697
Never mind just read it. Do you have any info on curing low test?

>>682902
By that logic we should outlaw make up.

>>682930
You have put a lot of thought into this, it's really quite sad.

>>682881

Sounds like this guy looks like your quintessential dudebro, rather than someone with style.

>>683304
I have experience with overdosing on vitamin A.

I decided that the best way to get a nice tan was to eat 20 or so carrots a day.

Theoretically it is.

What I did not know, was that overdose of vitamin A can lead to hair loss/hair shedding.

My hair started falling out at accelerated rate and I could not understand why.

Once I quit the carrots, all went back to normal.

Carrots: never again.

Best thing for safe tan (well, relatively safe, we haven't tested it long term) is Melanotan2.

You won't have to go tanning and will naturally get darker skin and darker hair. But it doesn't work in all cases and has it's drawbacks. For example, it comes along with increased horniness, low appetite and if you have lots of skin marks, they will get darker.

>>683695
You need anti depressants. The chemicals in your brain are fucked.

>>683697
The products I use for skin are specifically tailored for my specific skin type. I went on several consultations to derm until I got the right combination.

For face I use:
1) Custom made skin lotion in morning
2) L'Oreal skin moisturizer afterwards
3) Custom lotion in the evening
4) Face mask 1 a week
5) With summer upcoming, I will be using Bioderma Suncreen when going out.

For hair:
1) 1.25 fin daily
2) One Avodart tablet daily
3) 2ml Neogenic mixed with 100mg RU58841 daily
4) 2+ml 5% minoxidil daily

Vitamins:
1) Fish oil
2) Pumpkin seed oil
3) Biotin
4) D3 vitamin
5) C vitamin + Zinc
6) K2 vitamin

>>683747
>sad
Sad to always look appealing and have better skin/face than 90% of populus? Do you realize how much of a Halo effect a good look gives you?

>>683805
>Sounds like this guy looks like your quintessential dudebro, rather than someone with style.
Sure, only remember that quintessential dudebros are always the ones getting laid the most. Also, I can never be a dudebro because of my long hair style and sharp, slightly feminine facial features. I am not all "macho" guy.

>>682878
that kid was already gl to begin with

he's hot

>>683815
No, he was a rat.

>>683810
>100mg RU58841
da fuk is that? A steroids for your hair?

>>683823
>da fuk is that? A steroids for your hair?
Yes

>>683822
a hot rat

>>683810
You take Fin and Dut?

What NW are you btw?

>>683826
I'm NW2.5 or NW3.

>>683484
post pics. I wanna see how sexy /biz/ is

>>683827
Why bother if you're past NW2?

You should really consider getting a HT since anything beyond NW2 severely detracts from your looks. I don't get how you manage to pull off long hair with that level of baldness.

I admire your dedication to aesthetics though. When you invest in your looks you ALWAYS see a return on your investment.

>>683830
>Why bother if you're past NW2?
Because I don't want to keep going further.

>You should really consider getting a HT since anything beyond NW2 severely detracts from your looks.
It doesn't. My temples have receded, but I cover them with longer hair and it looks like I have a full head of hair. My hair is thick overall, only the temples have receded.

It would be stupid to have a HT when you aren't even 30 and don't know if your hair loss has stabilized. Much dumber to transplant hair and keep receding.

Anyone had experience with rhinoplasty?
I have a deviated septum on one side so it bothers me

Am I fucked?

>>683846
>9
in what way? if your face looks anything like that drawing then yes, but if you are talking about your hair it looks fine ...

>>683846
Absolutely. Your face is a cartoon. Watch out for rogue erasers and anyone carrying around something called "the dip".

I once had a cartoon face too. I've faced a lot of persecution because of it. It's an issue I still struggle with every day. I've joined a support group on le reddit. You should le join us.

>>683855
kek
>>683851
T-thanks.

>>683846
Hair is receding...face looks squished. You have retraction of maxilla and need a Le Fort II surgery. Consult and orthodontist. Your chin is protruding as well.

>>683828

fuck it why not

>inb4 reverse image search
Ive posted this on /fit/ before

>>683919
Grow a full beard or nothing at all.

Or does your boyfriend like the way your goatee tickles his balls when you're going down on him?

>>683919
I wanna see you with no beard. I can't tell if you'd look hot w/o it. face with beard is like 7/10

body looks pretty solid. 9/10

could be 8 or 10 out of 10. need a shirtless pic :P

overall 8/10

This is me by the way.

I wasn't involved in arguing about who looks better but I figured why not?

>>683931
Take that look off your face when you take pictures

>>683931
8/10 face :3

no idea what kinda body you have under that

>>683933
I don't normally take pictures so I'm not very good at doing it myself.

>>683925
>>683929

>full beard or nothing at all
Autists love their false dichotomies

>>683929
Shirtless pic for the gay man, sure why not.
>attached

I dont have anything clean shaven b/c I always have the chin goatee at least. I look too young clean shaven

>>683939
how do you know I'm not a grill :^)

ya I don't normally like guys with chest hair, but that's pretty hot.

personal preference on the beard thing. I wouldn't wanna kiss a guy with lots of facial hair

was expecting /biz/raelis to be gross. my captcha is hoomo lmao

>>683919
Got Skype? ;)

>>683484
Are you even /fit/ ?!

>>683931
You know what you look like to me in your good tie and cheap suit you look like a rube. A well scrubbed hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition's given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starling? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed: pure West Virginia. What is your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp? You know how quickly the boys found you... all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars... while you could only dream of getting out... getting anywhere... getting all the way to the AFI.

>>683919

>>683974
You look like a stoner and you reversed the image to make yourself look more attractive

>>683980
A stoner? Nopee I play college lacrosse I cant

>>683970


>>683939
is me, champ. check IDs. I see you got a little 6pack goin there. Get some size on your chest though

>>683970
>>683974
you're like a 9/10 for me. are you over 6ft?

normally don't like gingers, but I'd make an exception for you :3

/biz/ keeps getting hotter lol

>>683986
Lol yeah I feel you it takes forever for my chest to grow but I bench 230x1 so that counts for something

>>683988
Nope lol im 5'10 sorry dude

>>681733
/fit/ and /biz/ go hand in hand. I got /fit/ before I got into /biz/ but now I approach them both as the same general concept: improving my standing in the world because sitting around waiting to die sucks.

Arnold is someone who has combined both. He could easily be someone /biz/ could aspire to.

>>683973
10/10 would let you eat my cheek.

>>684056
He made his first couple million before acting by selling exercise equipment through the mail. Truly an inspiration. Fuckin love arnie

Getting in shape, hording bitcoin.

Things I would fix if I had a spare £2k or so -
My horrific overbite fixed and teeth straightened and whitened.

Spare £5k -
Dark eye circles and lines fixed

Spare £10k -
Full set of ceramic teeth implants

Spare £15k -
Chest augmentation (pecs for life without doing endless pushups - basically male boob job. Shitty genetics mean that despite muscle growth, I never get that carved, defined look, even at 10% body fat)

>>684130

>blaming genetics

You just aren't doing the exact right exercises. People think having a 250lb bench press guarantees a great chest. It doesn't. You need to supplement it chest flyes, dips, and whatever else you might need. To be aesthetic, you actually have to train for it. Now quit making excuses, faggot.

>>684116
Not too bad but definitely could use some incline bench to develop your upper pecs some more

>>682861
Patrick Bateman?

>>684260
I can't believe I didn't catch that. I haven't seen that movie in years.

He gets a 10/10 for making me genuinely believe and respond to him.

>>684177
>incline bench to develop your upper pecs
>he believes incline bench develops "upper" pecs hahaha
>mfw

Incline bench works your anterior deltoids.

SS+gomad=4lyfe kek

>>681683
When will we get the Scooby of /biz/?

Sup /biz/ how do I look

>>684640
lookin' sideways brah

sup /biz/

how do i look

>>684649

Russian.

>>682861
cHRIST

>>684649
hitman tier

>eating fish oil

Jesus no wonder you're all going bald

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fishoil.shtml

>>681683
Gofundme

You really should. @ go fund me /Son2father

>>684149
>not understanding genetics is the single biggest determining factor in body shape.

I am mostly mesomorph, which means muscle gain is easy for me, but definition or sculpting muscles is not.

>inb4 muh bodyfat

I could school most people on bodyfat, including their doctors. I have been at 8% and 10%

Source - me (10 years as a personal trainer, studying, practicing, training. And observing client data from peers - endless self-experimentation with nutrition, training, massage, etc)

I've probably spent more time studying and applying methods than 99% of the people on this planet.

My conclusions -
I am 'triceps dominant' so benchpress is worthless and overrated. Kudos on that. I have to modify most exercises - many PTs are not even aware of this and select what works for them too often.

My thyroid gland was severely underperforming for years, which meant I gained weight and lost energy. I am predisposed to 'bitch tits' because of this and have to work 10x harder to get ANY definition or shape. ever underestimate bloodwork, anon's, get it done once again year at all costs.

Believe me, I know what you are saying.
I am not talking about overall results, I am saying you cannot, for example, point to a Mens Health cover model and say 'I am going to look exactly like that one year from now.'

Example - the 'six pack' is actually an 'eight pack' - over 80% of people will never see the last two sections (below bellybutton) due to genetic potential, also some sixpacks are lopsided, or irregular.
Can you define it? Yes. Can you make it bigger? Yes. Stronger? Yes. More visible, less body fat? Yes. Change the actual SHAPE? NO.

You cannot change the muscular SHAPE into anything you want, your muscles are not Play-Doh.

I get the bulk, and some definition, yes, but don't get that tapered, aesthetic look, I just get that 'strongman' Bluto-type look, which I hate.

>>685069

>>685069
10 year of experience for such bullshit broscience.
>I am 'triceps dominant' so benchpress is worthless and overrated
>I am mostly mesomorph, which means muscle gain is easy for me, but definition or sculpting muscles is not.

Will I make it /biz/?

>>685109
>>685126

Well, you sure showed me with your superior knowledge.

>>685126
Which part didn't you understand?
I could have got more scientific, but had to dumb it down.

Do you guys even know what I am referring to?
I want cosmetic surgery to enhance the outer, lower pecs, the shape of which is, genetically determined. Not to get a bigger chest.

I am talking aesthetics, science is always gonna be sketchy on this, since scientists rarely do experiments on the aesthetic qualities. They focus on strength, performance, endurance, etc - things that athletic or government organisations will sponsor, and 'serious' srudies that justify their expensive sports science degree they spent four years doing (90% outdated theory they will literally never use, by the time they qualify, many bodybuilders have already tried and discarded what they studied, and are trying out the latest methods in real life, not a lab.

Studies need funding, who is going to fund a study on 'how to get the best-looking chest?' - does that even sound like a serious study?

I am talking from real life results from hundreds of clients, and insider knowledge.
Most PT's won't waste their time explaining any of this to you, since their time costs money, and most clients want to be told what to do, not a science lessons, get the picture?

Tl;dr - you can read thousands of pages on 'studies' and 'research', but not a single one will tell you how to get a decent sixpack or great chest.

>>685210
Yes you wills son. Good chest, shows you got testosterone to succeed.