/biz/ - Business & Finance

trash

>>6738300
>
Why's that ??

>>6738268
Show bobs

>>6738427

you only bought shitcoins

>>6738268
Send boobs and I'll tell you what coin you should really invest in. XMR is decent, but theres a far bigger player in town.

>>6738427
no one is gonna give you advice until you post your tits

>>6738452
and vechain

monitoring

for bobs and vechain

>>6738268
B O B S
O
B
S

>>6738268
just go all in ETH

Tits or gtfo

>>6738641
70% ETH
20% NEO
10% BAT

bobs and vagine now

>>6738268
White girl? Fucking kill yourself you nigger lover.

If I can pontificate a bit, for your edification. One of the rules of the Internet is: "there are no girls on the Internet." This rule does not mean what you think it means. In real life, people like you merely for being a girl. They want to fuck you, so they pay attention to you and they pretend what you have to say is interesting, whether or not you are genuinely interesting, or that you are smart of clever, whether or not you are actually smart or clever.

On the Internet, there is no chance to fuck you; this means the advantage of being a "girl" does not exist. You don't get a bonus to conversation just because someone wants to put their cock in you.

When you make a post like "hurr durr, I'm a gurl," you are begging for attention. The only reason to post it is because you want your girl-advantage back, because you are too vapid or too stupid to do or say anything interesting without it. You are forgetting the rule "there are no girls on the Internet." The one way around this rule, the one way you can get your "girlness" back on the Internet, is to post your tits. This is, and should be, degrading for you, an admission that the only interesting thing about you is your naked body.

tl:dr: TITS OR GET THE FUCK OUT

Marry me =)

bob end vegene or gtfo

>>6738268
>0.03btc
you should diversify into sucking more dicks first

>>6738633
>>6738494
>>6738578
>>6738484
>>6738452

>>6739229
TIMESTAMP, I'm not falling for bullshit.

>>6739229
MORE PLEASE GOD

>>6739229

>>6739229
VEN moon mission last call

>>6738268
>hide balance
Why are all white girls dumb and poor

>>6738268
Monero and ada good
Req meh

Others are poop

>>6739229
BTW If thats you, just know you're hot as fuck :)

>>6739229
thats now how this works.

you post a time stamp or you gtfo

>>6739229
disgusting roach detected
Kill yourself subhuman

>>6739401
>cant see face
>hot as fuck
enjoy the cuck life

>>6739229
You know the rules. You post a timestamp or you gtfo.

>>6739229
>Can't find image on google.

>>6738268
I would love to switch over to blockfolio but I have over a hundred trades I would have to enter into delta. How did you go about it?

Holy shit. What’s with you pajeets and diversifying a little bit of money. If you want to make any real money go all in, don’t be a pussy.

Time stamp pls.

>>6739461
1st rule in dating women - When she's hot, you don't hold back telling her that. Enjoy being a virgin.

>>6739401
and you're gay as fuck

faggot

>>6739401
faggot

>>6739543
kek

>>6739543
actually 1st rule of women is that none of them are hot, they are 1.Cute 2.OK 3.unfuckable keep putting them on a pedestal and see where that gets you. oh yeah one more time
>cant see face
>hot
are you fucking retarded?

>>6739589
LOLZ Changing VPN now are we? haha get a life

>>6739229
MILKY MILKY WARM AND TASTY!

MOMMY! MILKY! PLEASE BE HASTY!

REFRESHING DRINK FROM MOMMY'S UDDERS!

I WANT MOMMY'S AND NO OTHERS!

GIVE IT! GIVE IT! GIVE IT NOW!

GIVE ME MILK, YOU LAZY SOW!

UNTIL YOU DO, I'LL SCREAM AND SHOUT!

I'LL CRY! I'LL WHINE! I'LL STOMP ABOUT!

UNTIL MY BELLY IS FULL AND HAPPY!

I REFUSE TO TAKE A NAPPY!

>>6739229
timestamp or kys

>>6739640
nah, it's just that we all think you're faggot neckbeard shitstain

>>6739632
Hot = fuckable. Don't care about the face when theres such a bod ready for fucking.

>>6739543
check out this white knight cuck

>>6739229
ohio?

>>6738268
nice monero hold
now tits or gtfo

>>6738268
FFS, get back to drawing Emily. If you need money, go marry chad already.

timestamp with bobs

>>6739543
i dont even have a reaction pic for this shit
>l
>m
>a
>o

thanks for the tip dad

>>6739704
so anything that is fuckable is hot to you? im sorry, now i just kinda feel bad for you.

>>6739229
Noice. Saxy biatch and monero. I likes u.However no timestamp. Therefore faggot who is must die

>>6739229
milktruck just arrive

>>6738834
Fucking nailed it

>>6739401
Thank you anon!
How about my portfolio ?

>>6739767
>>6739772
>>6739750
>>6739704
>>6739651

no timestamp

>>6739504
>>6739669
>>6739702
Wise anons demand timestamp for neckbeard faggits do this thread type while jacking of to excited prajeet responses. Yes they do.
>>6739772

>>6739440

>>6738834
nice fucking blog post anon

>>6739948
no timestamp

>>6739948
ur boobs aren't even symmetrical, 4/10

>>6739948
Milky mommy Milky mommy
Take my LINKY give me MILKY

>>6739948
larping neckbeard confirmed, literally kys

holy shit how do you any of you ever get laid

>>6739948
photo with delta and time visible (or timestamp i guess)

>>6739948
If those are your all time gains, you need to get in earlier. Actually gamble on something you believe in, not ride a tide.

>>6739948
The vast majority of women on 4chan are chubsters, so the fact that you're hiding your stomach makes my boner suspicious.

>>6739948
Nice tits. Would cup.

Profile looks fine.

>>6739948
now a picture of your vagina just to know that you are not some neckbeard trap

>>6739844
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/moU0fUP3-Sequel-to-the-highly-predictive-BTC-What-if-SHTF-Count/

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/OMGUSD/fzS0JaLI-OMG-target-1000-in-Februari-2018/

Add BTC, OMG and NEO.

>>6740099

with my massive dick and crypto gains

>>6739948
>white

>>6740099
Greetings fellow white knight, I didn't see thy oft hither. Thy efforts be deemed valiant and noble in our shared quest to save all the m'lady damsels in distress from thee wrathful vengeance oft thee yonder horde of misogynistic bigots. Continue fighting the good fight, brother. Surely our efforts will be rewarded graciously by m'ladies with lots of sex and adoration for our noble protection. Hitherto hitherto.

>>6740099
They don't man.

This is the shit that runs through their minds when they see females irl and the reason they are socially fucked. Too much internet. I use biz as a tool, not a place to feel welcomed because I have nothing else going for me.

>not buying VEN
women

you're so pretty op

i have 500k in crypto are you single? i will move to wherever you are and take care of you you don't have to fuck me if you don't want. i am ok looking i'd like to think but i am a manlet so i hope you wouldn't mind looking at me. i will cook and clean for you and read white papers and tell you what icos to invest in. i'd buy you things too like gucci bags. i just want to be around you really and have someone to talk to.

>>6740361
pajeet pls

>>6740361
I can't even find this funny

>>6739270
>>6739504
>>6739669
>>6739270
>>6739769
>>6739893
>>6739977
>>6740106


http://www.currenttimestamp.com/

>>6740361
literally pajeeting this hard

>>6740444
OP actually delivered, what the fuck

>>6740444
>its a guy with implants

its over

>>6740444
Now I'm only wondering whether it's a trap.

>>6740444
nice tits and nice trips, fuck yeah

>>6740444
nice tits OP

>>6740444
you arent wite!!!

one more pic and i will tell you the next target of a huge pump n dump group

>>6740444
Is that where milk comes from, lady?

>>6740444
thanks, you just reminded me that i will never find anyone that will love me

>>6740444
If that's a trap, that boob's a pretty nice job though.

>>6740444
Pathetic

Go whore yourself at a club roastie

>>6740444
great, now i feel depressed, thanks anon

>>6740510
I'm hoping it is so I can learn my lesson and hopefully talk some real girls not chase attention whores online

>>6740444

Eva is that you?

>>6740444
Thanks anon

You have a good portfolio

Get into ZCL

>>6740444

nice.

>>6740197
NEO and BTC for sure
OMG I'm gonna have to read about this one
Thanks

>>6740444
Can I buy you things? You don't have to do anything in return, I want to worship you.

>>6740444
Perfect tits, bit bigger than my gf's
Could just be the grass is greener thing though

>>6740444
gonna beat off to that tonight thanks roastie

>>6740444
op please see my post >>6740361 please

>>6740444
What is your portfolio in value instead of percent? +1 Nice tits

>>6740535
Yes I am.

I'll pass, thanks :)

>>6740444

Post your ass OP and I'll tell you the next 4x this week.

>>6740642
>>6740361
jesus fucking christ dude. embarrassing.

>>6740615

Eva, buy some AST, moon operation is incoming and it's still very very early.

>>6740444
u hot famalan

buy ast and sphtx

Hey white girl. Thanks for tits, made my mood a lot better.

So critique of your portfolio... i think it's well below average for a few reasons:
While Monero is a very solid coin it's a slow one that has peaked already but will grow in time. But much slower compared to rest of the market.

Modum is solid.

Cardano is, eh, on the safe side i guess.

Loopring is trash, poet is trash and REQ is a good solid safe hold.

There you have it. But i'd honestly balance it out better and not keep all at Monero, you'll just lose in value compared to ANY other coin.

If you want to safe HODL, then please, NEO, PART or PHR.

Btw, very nice tits

>>6740444
post feminine benis

>>6740802
nice bait retard

>>6740444
MUH DIK MUHFUGGA BIX NOOD

>portfolio thread gets 100 replies because biz believes it's a grill

Could you all at least try not to be so subtle about the fact ur all permavirgin millionaires

>>6738268
I don't know if you should diversify with a small amount like that. Can't you put some money in?

>>6740825
uh, no. my post was actually useful, tf you on. Try to come up with one negative reason why not to go into NEO, PART or PHR. I challenge you

>>6740361
pathetic

>>6740731
Butt pic please mommy

>>6740851

but she is near 100% XMR and has nice boobs, she is a keeper

>>6740444
Unless you care a lot about that money, you should go for something with more growth potential. XMR almost doesn't move.

>>6740886
>uh oh huh, kys

>>6740802
I have mostly Monero, It is up 23% today should I wait to sell?

>>6738268
keep monero and req, get rid of the rest.

add link,zrx and fun

>>6738268
Long Bitcoin and Ethereum with 100x leverage

>>6738268
OP just buy some ICX and you're all set. Maybe you'll get to pic related level one day

>>6740361
screencapped. a literal pajeet
>bobs n vagene

but i can't really hate... is kinda relatable. oh well. can't really blame women for thinking that men are creeps.

>>6740361
>the absolute state of this board

>>6740985
icx will tank when half its supply is released at mainnet.

>>6738834
Bullshit.
No one is nice to girls because they are girls.They are only nice to hot girls. Plain Janes and autist girls get no such attention, they are treated as one of the dudes. You must be living in some parallel reality.

>>6740943
I bet you're a stinky LINKie. Probably holding some garbage like Po.et as well. I can smell it.

>>6740444
brush your hair

why so much weight on monero

>>6740980
lol, and lose it all at the first 1% loss. ok anon.

>>6740200
>wondering which is smaller, your dick or your gains
>>6740229
kek ironic shitposting is still shitposting you fag, whiteknights don't get laid and neither do autist retards like most of you

>>6740792
I'm only using binance

>>6741023
Not true. You took someone's word for it on that and makes me feel great knowing people don't do their own research. More for me.

>>6741089

I guarantee both are massive, I'm set for life and my dick has both length and girth, not joking, I'm still a virgin tho

>>6741091
its really stupid to diversify such a small amount of funds. You are never going to make it, just go all in a single coin that will 100x

why do white girls always have such sad tits

>>6741091
ast is on binance afaik

ada is a scam, po.et is bs as is pbl

req might be out of steam

loopring is shitcoin

>>6741158
found the virgin, OPs are quite perfect

>>6740971
do your own research.... the whole market is bullish. Look at what is the average gain of top100 coin and compare it to Monero's. then take into world case use, marketing efforts and upcomings developments.

Monero's real world use is a privacy coin. No marketing efforts, anon team and generic dev updates. But it's a solid coin. It just wont moon, it literally can't due to points mentioned above combined with it's existing market cap.

>>6741067
its the best coin

>>6740444
Nice bobs femanon

>>6741216
its a good coin but i wouldnt go so balls deep into any one coin personally

>>6739651
fuck I love autistm

>>6741196
Yeah Monero sucks. Maybe if you want 3% gains per year.

>>6741091
post ass pls babi?

>>6741091
imagine if you had the option to stay with only 50 men on a single island. For rest of your life. You'd be only limited to 50 potential mates, so despite the potentially good selection, there could be other alternatives that you are not aware of.

Or you could have a fucking ship and not be stuck on a fucking island, holy shit how lazy you are not to sign up to all bigger exchanges? okex, kucoin and cryptopia are definitely open

i came

>>6740669

>>6741236
I would go balls deep into OP

>>6741286
should have had some Stellar, we shilled it enough here.

>>6741286

nice, I have 240 XMR, lets marry

>>6741286
Nice titty, I'm optimistic on cardano. Been in since 1300 sat, the developers are going ham.

>>6741286
Like I said op. Take all those shitcoins and buy ICX. Keep the XMR maybe round off at 50. If you do this you might make it.

Don't see any VEN, you're not gonna make it, sorry.

>>6741286
You have less than $25,000, just go all in XMR. you fell for the diversify meme. this isn't wall street, 100% of all cryptos are speculation and gamble

>>6740361
HAAH!

>>6740802

Thank you very much for your reply kind anon!

I'm going to go maybe 65% Monero,15% Neo

Never heard of PART and PHR. I'm going to look into them.

>>6740444
how can none of you autists spot this shitty shop job? do you all just really want this to be real?

Out drinking today. How many hours will this alt run last? Last saturday i doubled my folio but was too drunk to sell. Help me /biz/ prophets

>>6740361
But will you poo in loo?

>>6741067

Because I believe in its value. Monero is the reason I got into crypto. It's a solid and useful coin

>>6740361
oh my god

I still feel like this is fake

>>6741286
Wanted to see if you had enough to diversify, which I think you do. My personal take, I hold an absolute shitton of XLM. News guranteed to come w/ FairX + roadmap. If it doesnt pan out, I dont see it dropping and you can sell mid February. Thoughts?

post butte

here's my holdings in order of weight:
ICX
NEO
BTC
ETH
WaBi
ADA
XZC

take that for what it's worth. I've made massive amounts of Neo this month, so it might not move for a little bit and consolidate.

>>6740361
lmao

>>6741432
Hey beautiful. I would highly reccomend snek. The snek will awake.

Also,

XRP is a scam coin, but it's going to hit $5. Buy on a giant dip and set a high sell order and not look at it.

>>6741651
My snek is awake, marry me OP

>>6741531
time to show more

>>6741694
No more.

>>6741778
Please mommy please

>>6741778
alright I can dig. Thanks for the rest.

>>6741778
marrymeopforreal@gmail.com

>>6741091

ICX is the only moon left on Binance

>>6741816
XRB - once it hits binance it's going to bring it down with the amount of people pumping and dumping it.

I'm debating buying now, or buying after it gets dumped on binance.

>>6741067
I'm not planning on getting rich off xmr but on using it because as i mentioned earlier, I believe in its utility.

>>6741432

ICX don’t fuck this up, lady

>>6741868
You don’t know what you’re talking about. XRB will never be under $20 again once on Binance.

>>6741811
>marrymeopforreal@gmail.com

This email can't be real lol!

>>6741531
Women don't talk like this...

Where can I find a girl who's into crypto? srs

Fucking pathetic all of you. This dumb slut for mentioning that she's a girl and posting her tits to garner attention and you morons for only responding because she's a girl.

This is why I do my best to keep my Internet life separated from the real one, because majority of you are bunch of losers.

>>6741892

Look at me. I’m telling you ICX. Stop fucking around and get in it.

>>6741816
recommend me a good exchange ?

>>6741936
Give it a shot!

>>6740444

OOOOHHHHH MODS COME ON, COME THE FUCK ON

FUCK YOU CUNTS

>>6741966
u mad

>>6741993

Binance

>>6741941
Like what anon :) ?

>>6742051
neckbeard confirmed, everybody out

>>6741966

See ? I posted earlier and got 0 reply so I though maybe if I show some skin I might get some bizdom

Don't hate the players anon, hate the game

P.S : I'm not stupid or a slut. :)

Thank you

>>6740444
Man, I found this geniunely stimulating. I really need to get laid.

>>6741992

I'm going to read more about it. Thank you sir :)

>>6742184
please marry me bb girl i love you so fucking much

Bitch lasagna

>>6742184

She’s just jealous. Got any tattoos? Asking for a friend.

>>6742184

don't listen to him, he is a faggot and is jelly of your gains and feminine powers

>>6742184
winner winner

>>6742184
>Don't hate the players anon, hate the game
im so fucking hard anon. also LINK

OP, do you feel crypto is misogynist and crypto needs immediate gender equality to be enforced? do you feel it's currently being very limited from womyn?

>>6742238
>sir
pajeeta confirmed

>>6739401
>t. a fagit

>>6742184
Whatever makes you feel better. Rationalize it however you want, the fact is that you're showing off your body for attention just like a dumb slut would do. :)

Hope you enjoy being sucked off by these losers.

>>6742515

by these millionaire losers*

>>6742457

She’s not pajeet. She’s submissive and wants to be dominated. Bent over and have her brains fucked out. Trust me.

>>6742515
kek salty faggot

If you were a hot girl you'd be an idiot not to take advantage of it.

>>6741941
this guy gets it.
>>6742051
like a fucking neckbeard dude.

>>6739543
>1st rule in dating women - When she's hot, you don't hold back telling her that. Enjoy being a virgin.

Enjoy searching for happiness for the rest of your life.

protip: you're never going to find it.

>>6738268
ZClassic; soon bitcoin private fork. buy when it dips
ICX; soon mainnet launch and korean exchange listing.

Keep paying attention to those. I will pay attention to your bewbs

>>6739229
Well from the picture you look pretty sexy.

Monero is a solid hold but doesn't really go anywhere fast, could probably put some of it into eth or neo and get better gains.

Could have probably put more into the other alts you have there for more potential profit if they moon.

And just like that 4chan reduced another woman to nothing but a pair of tits. This is why I'll never love another human being. You're all a bunch of soulless sex craving cunts.

still waiting OP, you can do eeet

>>6742784

preposterous, I bet she has a nice and tight vagina too

>>6742784
This is /biz/, if you want to whine about your feelings and have orbiters listen go to /r9k/

>>6742784
Being a girl was completely irrelevant to the original question. She decided to use her gender to her advantage. No one forced her to do shit.

GTFO

>>6741582
Nice plan :)
I'll give it a shot
Thank you

>>6738268
show vagene or gtfo

>>6739229
you're fucking hot, girl

>>6742828

I just did! ;)

>>6739948
I'm erect

>>6743284
Nah, you gtfo

>>6741614
>ICX
in your opinion what's a good price to get some?

The post was deleted any mirrors

>>6741906
sure, i can list off several coins people have said that against.

Once big daddy btc tanks, everything falls. Don't buy high. Or don't take my advice, i couldn't give a shit.

you are freaking hot anon, will luff you loooong time if you're looking

>>6743764

>>6739401

>pls respond

>>6739651

>>6739632

T H I S

>>6738268
want some actual real help?
>pic related

>>6743635

Right now. It doesn’t dip much. Does best at night when the Chinks wake up. Just get filled.

>>6742997
if you trade in crypto, i'd hope you'd understand market exchange.

She wanted advice, biz wanted tits.

A trade was agreed upon, tits were provided and advice was given.

Gave me warm fuzzies to watch the market work, or maybe that was just my marble-hard cock throbbing against my hand after seeing OP's perfect bobs

>>6739229
>All these replies
>No face shot
>muh dick
>dayum girl you're hot af

Ya'll are a bunch of niggers.

>>6743969
Smart anon!

>>6742184
muh dick

>>6743928
>karma
>magic
nice anon

>>6742184
look at your portfolio. you are clearly very stupid.

>>6743685
I got my copy. I feel much better after a wank. Damn does a man ever become irrational when horny.

>>6744324

>>6744324
I know right? it's literally magic lol

>this slut
you don't have shit on my wife

>>6742184
> I'm not a slut
Yeee you trad as fuck bby

>>6744463
oh fuck is this some spooky weird cult stuff

>>6744516
fuck off with your fat bitch

>>6744516
ham beast

>>6744538
uh no? just some middle school difficulty math

and it's crazy that's all it really takes to 'break' money

stupidity knows no end I guess

>>6738268
NICE you have about 400 USD in your portfolio... keep it up

>>6744516
Eww!

>>6744672
post feet you whore
p-please

>>6740361

I don't like Gucci bags

>>6743928
already made 3x with this thanks

>>6744516
potential top tier braphog

>>6744623
>quantum theory
>middle school

So why aren't you a billionaire if you've worked it all out?

>>6738268
>not qt asian with big boobs
not making it, sorry OP

HOLYHOLY
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>>6742184
>not a slut
>posts tits online

Sage goes in all fields.

>>6744623
can i make money even if i'm bad at maths

>>6744628
sorry what ?
>>6741286

>>6744733
checked

>>6744823
millionaire sometime this summer, probably billionaire before the end of the year

>>6745074
no

>>6743635
$8 right now. I did the ICO at 11 cents :)

>>6744995
gonna cum

>>6738268
>>6739229
>>6739948

There's no timestamp proof, OP is some fake larping faggot who wants autistic male attention.

Get off this board and die in a fire, you cancerous piece of shit.

Do you guys have any app suggestion so you can keep me updated ?
Gotta go!

>>6745858
yeah KYS, its in the app store

>>6745858
post feet

>>6745858
Just come back to /biz/ and post more tits

>>6745903
No more tits on /biz/

It's boobanon on KIK

>>6743928
.mov file link?

>>6743928
>>6744463
brainlet here, pls spoonfeed me

>>6739651
goddamn my sides

>>6738268
This is a majority white board, you don't need to define your ethnic group.

>>6738268

Cloth off

>>6744516
>sagging bags of water tits

I hope that's after having a kid, anon. If you opted in to that willingly, disgusting.

>>6739229
BUY LINK

NICE BOBS

>>6747184
Not even roasties are dumb enough to fall for the link meme

>>6739831
>>6739973
>>6741039
newfags. Old pasta is old.

Fuck what was the deleted post?

>>6748009
Her tits.

>>6748009
Pretty nice boobs, to be honest

>>6748009
lol :)

>White girl portfolio
what the fuck nigger neighbourhood you live in that you have to specify you're white

>>6748009

Well played op girl or not you played these bunch of faggots like nothing , no wonder why women manipulate men all the time and after witnessing this I'll probably die millionaire and alone or i will impregnate a whore

>>6748497
Buy ARK if you haven't already, easily going to be worth $20 in the next few months

>>6741286
>only 51 REQ
You're not going to make it sugartits

>>6742576
Show some self worth you spineless faggot. What kind of retard who has any sense of self-esteem posts picture of herself so bunch of morons can permanently save it on their computers, unless she's one of those "past is in the past hehe ;)" mega retards who plans to hide shit from her partner.

Nothing triggers me more than spineless faggots, but whatever, I guess you could say I'm p salty at how much this place and the Internet in general deteriorated in the last few years.


Anyway, considering this thread is still up, if any of you actually want some tips and don't care about camwhores and "GIB MILKY" morons, here is my view of crypto at the moment :

There are 3 types of crypto assets. :
1. Cryptocurrencies - the first ones which will die off when crash happens (BTC, LTC, XRB)
2. Cryptocommodities - they provide a platform for others to build upon. More valuable than currencies but only a few of them will survive in the long term. (ETH, NEO, ENG)
3. Cryptoproducts - any coin that actually offers decentralized services. These provide the most value in the long run and will have the highest long-term success rates.

>>6748736

>>6744463
I've taken physical chem before, you're saying you actually applied this paper into crypto trading?

>>6748736
not a bad titty

>>6748988
you sound upset

>>6748988
>falling for the self worth meme

hit the treadmill bubby

>Woman makes a post
>300 replies

I fucking hate you numale desperate cunts I swear
You fucking beta cunts make me angry with your faggotry

These average fucking whores willing to whore themselves out on the net for attention now think they're supermodels because of you

I wish I could meet your father to slap the fuck out of him for raising a fucking bitch

Go get laid you fucking dorks
I hate you

>>6748736

>>6748988
lmao what does self worth and spine have to do with the fact that I recognize she made logical use of her assets to get results?

The second part of your post is actually substantial, useful and sodium-free. I agree with it.

Hahhaa OP commiting diversion posting tits on normies itt while Bogdanoffs dumping whole market