/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>58143393
first mistake was comparing yourself to somebody else and then letting it get to your head. Could've has a company by now but instead you're whineposting

You’re just lazy

> My brother makes $17 an hour doing light unskilled manual labor for the government.....
>>58143393
You answered your own question galaxy brain. Right now we're in a weird spot in history where skill and talent is desperately needed, but also grossly underpaid. Despite this, everyone keeps trying to move into generalist jobs like engineer, programmer, welder, tailor etc. leading to people complaining "I spent a gorillion dollars on a degree from harvard and I only start at 70k how did this happen!". Meanwhile wagelet-tier jobs like amazon driver are paying 23/hr despite sucking dicks, because getting non-80 IQ pajeets to do them is difficult and pajeets get fired regularly for obvious reasons.

The actual advice is muh less buckbroken path. If everyone is saying "do this thing, in 5 years I made 100k easy!" they are liars, once society as a whole is aware a thing exists I start getting ants in my pants.

>>58143465
I have a company that I'm working on getting off the ground however either I live in an area where welding services are not needed (which is false, as I know how much welding work is around here and its in demand) or people would rather pay for new products than repairs.

>>58143479
40-50 hours a week in non air-conditioned environments dealing with continual osha violations either having to be at work at 6am or getting out of work at 2am seems very lazy.

>>58143490
The primary reason why I went to welding school is because I planned on going to school for engineering. I started my degree but I dont know if I'll end up finishing it. All of the engineers I knew recommended that I get welding certs first because that will help me with design down the road.

>>58143393
> My brother makes $17 an hour doing light unskilled manual labor for the government.....
Lol I work at warehouse and made 77k last year doing manual labor

>>58143522
Glad you understand,

>>58143393
looking into underwater welding at a shipyard. These dudes make astronomical money where I'm at (I work in NE with DoE) and everyone treats them pretty well. You also can get advanced diving certs pretty easily if you're interested in that, almost any master diver will accept even inspections as a qualified wreck dive out here

The nice thing about being a welder is you can find new work quickly. I've quit one job and found another in the same day before. This isn't unexpected either and you can be a lot more aggresive asking for raises because of it.
>my brother makes 17 an hour doing light unskilled labor for the government
And he'll be stuck at that same wage relatively, forever. At least unless he worms his way into another govjob position.
You are right though, straight up just working hard doesn't pay. You either gotta be looking up and acquiring skills to become more valuable or looking around for better positions. I plan on getting out of welding eventually but it sure as fuck beats being stuck in retail.

>>58143672
They also have a higher than average death rate (welders live about 10 years less than the average lifespan in the US) and they are legally only allowed to work 6 months out of the year due to the extreme physical stress that it puts on their body. I have no interest at dying at 65 from a heart aneurism.

I know they make bank, however based on everything I have heard its very much not worth the risk unless you know exactly what you're getting into.

>>58143393
I think you should try the welding path for a little longer before giving up. you are making money. just invest that money and you are golden. you already went from 15 dollars an hour to 19 dollars an hour. now just go to 30 dollars an hour. and invest it. college and uni is a waste of time.

>>58143710
engineer brother surely you are aware that diving involves being on air and not breathing in carcinogens from your work

>>58143741
I am, however arc welding underwater can cause damage to your heart electronics.

>>58143548
>All of the engineers I knew recommended that I get welding certs first because that will help me with design down the road.
I could see that helping fill out your general knowledge base, but they did you a disservice because economically speaking delaying your entry to the market hurts you way more than knowing what a fillet weld is could ever help.
I did Mechanical, which is good for being general a broad, but also weakly remuneration for the same reason. If I had to do it over I would get a 2 year in automation and controls, specifically try to get into a company who does municipal work.
Backlogs are large, pay is good, and the work won't be falling off anytime soon. I know that skilled automation programming engineers are in short supply and command a premium.

>>58143776
I should have mentioned that because my grades were good enough during the first half of high school I was able to attend a welding school while taking a few uni classes and finishing up my normal class work. So I graduated highschool with my certifications.

>>58143548
Being an engineer making 70k a year in an air conditioned office is better than being a welder in a carcinogenic factory.

And if you stick with it for 10 years you can make 150k, which will basically be 70k now with how inflation is going.

>>58143802
Good work, anon. You should be proud of that. So what it sounds like is you're in your early 20s still. Which means you have time to figure this out, so don't stress out. Welding isn't a good long term career plan. It's nice to have because you'll never go hungry or homeless, but we are here to aim higher than that.

>>58143393
You had a dream bro it's was just the wrong dream.

Weld outdoors, with a small fan on you as well as a helper with you at all times. Weld on the PIPELINE anon. It's where all the Chads are. Base pay is $55.00 an hour and you buy your diesel from the mexicans (Red Diesel) company pays for per diem, welding rods, Arm pay and truck pay.

weld i made

>>58143891
The forklift operators making 6 figs straight of high school with a 200 dollar certification course are laughing at your ass being chained to a desk and forced to make small talk with the HR roastie while waiting for your microwaved trader joe's lunch to finish reheating.

this is called a riglett setup for people that are new and can't afford a welding bed yet. Very common way to start

>>58143393
>35-40k
that isn't real. you are taking the absolute worst jobs ever. why haven't you joined a union shop.

Never join a union shop and miss a chance at welding through the countryside. It's fucking awesome

Tie in's in the ditch pay's better and usually only have to make 1 or 2 welds a day.

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>>58145318
This guy's based and knows what's up. I wouldn't stop getting an eng degree if you're on your way to one, but this isn't a bad way to go either.
Just be okay with waking up at 4am and driving 2 hours to work every day.

>>58143548

I make 42 dollars an hour to occasionally dig a hole and sometimes perform light labor.

>>58144495
Thank you anon.

>>58143393
it's an absolute scam, but not if you know how to play the game. grow a bit of an ego, know your skill level and worth, be a little bullheaded, remember you're usually dealing with tradies and boomers, and that most blue collar small businesses are stuck in the past generation and don't keep up to modern standards of industry

I started doing arboriculture in a major HCOL city, got a job with no exp, everything was on the job training, started 18/hr +benefits, 2 years later 24/hr +benefits, and esop, super professional company. while i was there a couple guys left and started their own companies, now have half a dozen new trucks, see them on occasion, some other guys left and now do contract work with other companies who need a good climber and set their own rates, hitting 100-120/hr but they have to have all their own gear and insurance, but they set their own hours, standards, and everything, get a couple people who you subcontract for or build a rep doing specialty stuff either too small or weir for job-shops and go from there. you need to build your own brand, and sell yourself. take pictures of what you do and brag about your shit in ways that make people think you're the shit. you did graduate top of your class and now have a couple years experience. remember everything is negotiable, and if you don't ask, there's no chance. don't take the companies you're applying to at their word, play the game, see how much you can make them bend and give you what YOU want.

>>58147392
Right now I'm working part time in a different trade, however I already have transportation, 2 welders (A self shielded flux core and a stick welder), plenty of hand tools, an air compressor, insurance the whole 9 yards. On top of all of that one of my relatives is going to be leaving the industry and said he'd give me his nicer flux core welder (I believe it is a Fronius, my current welders are a Titanium FCAW and Miller SMAW). I have my own domain and email as well as business cards, but have been having a hell of a time finding work. I was trying to get a rather large contract with a construction company however they have been slow as fuck (it has already been a month since I reached out and we were supposed to begin prototyping on a project this week but all communications went silent after the owner told me to contact him, which I did).

Tomorrow I plan on calling up all of the landscaping/construction/remodeling companies that I can find to see if they need welding help because I have absolutely no way of getting my services out there. I have probably given away close to 200 flyers and 100 business cards so far and I have yet to get any call backs, granted that could also be my fault for handing them out in residential areas. My only real limitation is that I dont have a generator, however I will be able to purchase one (Looking at a Predator 8750 Inverter) as soon as I need a mobile power source.

>>58143891
I'm drinking a Dr Pepper right now.

>>58147564
sounds like your on the right track, saw the other posts about you starting your own company, good fucking job dude, keep at it.
the start is always the hardest but once you start to figure things out i think you'll be in a good position. might be worth targeting other businesses, think autobody shops, heavy equipment outfits, small machine shops, etc. If you can stack some other utility onto welding that's even better, but that's probably for later down the road. you've probably already thought of all this so I'm saying it just in case. good luck dude

>>58143393
welding garbage cans and bookshelves dont pay for shit.
you need to join a union to get the good money.
shipyards, oil refineries, pipelines, boilers, chemical plants etc. those are the +$100k a year jobs

t. union tradesman that make +$100k a year

>>58143393
everything is a scam except BTC and LINK

>>58147564
you need genny welder asap.
they have some new ones with built in plasma now. they are like $10k though.
good luck. one day I want to get my own rig and branch out.

>>58147643
Thank you. Unfortunately I have not grown a lot since my last post, however now that everything is sorted out things should be on the up and up. I dont know if I am allowed to work on autobody though, and a lot of machine shops already have welders. We'll see where things go.

>>58143393
So what was the point of you going to uni, anyways?
First off you're a retard if $20/hr in America is the best you can do as an experienced skilled-tradesman in an industrial setting. Secondly what was even the goal of fucking uni then??

I actually don't think you're a retard, but you are not aiming in an appropriate direction to achieve your maximum individual potential.

>>58143393

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>>58147692
I plan on getting a Miller Trailblazer 330 as soon as possible. I plan on simply getting an inverter generator and hooking up my welders to that at the moment however. The generator im looking to get can output 7000 watts with a 240v outlet. My stick welder can be plugged into 120/240v outlets and my flux core welder can be plugged into a 120v so for now I should be fine.

>>58147716
why would you not be allowed to work on autobody??
ive done a shit load of my own autobody work on my vintage vehicles

>>58143563
My uncle knew a guy who became head of the warehouse after 3 weeks because he was literally the only guy who kept showing up and actually tried to do the job. He was like 19 years old and had a constant deer-in-headlights look, even asking my uncle for advice just because he was older and seemed capable. Hope he did well in the end

>>58147722
The reason why a lot of engineers dont make good money is because they are lazy fucks who spend all day signing off other peoples paperwork. You can easily make north of $150k if you're actually willing to do real work and not be a lazy office bum. The other thing is that while I am good at welding I do not particularly enjoy doing it as a job. I'd rather work above the neck if possible. I also want to get into R&D and not get stuck in fabrication.

Also, considering that I'm not even 21 yet, $20 is about the best I'm going to get, maybe $25 if I were to REALLY push them. Most of the people I knew who were making more than $25 an hour had decades of experience. One of my former supervisors only just broke $50k with over 3 decades of experience.

>>58147753
Insurance reasons. Where I live you are required to be a licensed mechanic to weld on autobody, at least that is what I was taught in welding school.

>>58147813
oooh.
i have no idea if what i did was legal. Where I live there is no regular vehicle inspection. the cops will make you get inspected if you car looks fukt. so as long it looks good your in the clear

Ive repaired a frame and lots of panels lmao

>>58143393
If you can start a company, you might have a massive competitive advantage. You could offer higher pay to any welders you do take on once you have a steady stream of recurring jobs. Clearly some piece of shit fatcat is siphoning off way too much excess value from the welders in your area, imagine if you could offer all of them the same amount of work and a 25% pay increase. They would flock to you.
>Verification not required.

>>58148000
That's what I plan on doing as soon as shit gets rolling. There is far too much bloat in the industry.

>>58145216
weld done

>>58143393
> Be me
> Go to welding school because it sounds fun and everyone I'm around says it pays well
> Graduate top of my class because its kind of fun and I seem to have a natural talent for it
> Get my first job...

>>58148809
Lol

>>58148863
lmao. Im a better welder than that.

You're right about needing to own the business. The only reason I make any money welding is because I get nepo baby family business priveleges. Working on the road is also a good way to up your pay but it's actually hellish if you do it full time. I'm just hoping to randomly buy the right shitcoin and get rich.

welding is awful and it kills your body

>>58145216
wondering what kind of tests you need to pass and tickets you need to acquire in order to weld pipe in the states?
in canada you need to first have your B level ticket and then pass a bunch of tests (you gotta pay for them and sometimes the inspectors are strict as fuck on visual flaws)
could I just come down and weld up a pipe and get a job if it looks good? I did learn how to weld pipe in school
then again I'm going to retire on apu soon so I hope to never weld again

Should have been an electrician lol

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