/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>57750898
Because everyone that made it with LINK left and everyone left here is a bunch of faggots besides the RLC posters.

Let's be honest the board sucks

>>57750898
wait until a new btc ath

>>57750902
Nobody made it with LINK because you need to sell to make it and LINKtards are married to their bag

>>57750898
It's called halving because your income will halve.

>>57750914
Based and infinity chan pilled

Its probably both, retail has lost interest and 4chan/biz is dead

Retail lost interest because everyone knows bitcoin by now, and they either think its a scam or are already invested

Biz being dead is because crypto isnt a niche anymore, you get crypro news on major sites and social media, no reason to visit a niche text board

I dont think we will get increased traffic even at 100k

>>57750905

True but that doesn't stop retail from invading once they see number has gone up

>>57750910

We are nearing the first peak of the last cycle and the posting hasn't budged still at bear cycle lows. Its unreal.

>>57750914
Agreed but I assumed that was more for /pol/ and less about /biz/.

>>57750928
>Biz being dead is because crypto isnt a niche anymore, you get crypro news on major sites and social media, no reason to visit a niche text board
>I dont think we will get increased traffic even at 100k

This is decent speculation. It didn't seem to me that the traffic just moved elsewhere to Twitter lets say. I thought there was an air of mystery for normal people surrounding 4Chan as if the autists here had some more indepth insight.

At one point they did imo however much of it is just shilling and advertisements without any real discussion or research.

I'm still mind blown the posting is at bear market lows though.

>>57750898
because if you're reading this you're part of the elite, and the elite is always the minority

>>57751179
>because if you're reading this you're part of the elite,

Alright that's a bit much however there have been truly bright individuals that post here over the years and I'm appreciative that they were willing to share their insights

>>57751179
>and the elite is always the minority

This statement is accurate though

>>57751179
Based and elitist pilled

It's incredible really

And no this is not just a 4chan thing, check google search trends, check coinbase app rank, check your 2021 telegram/discord groups, all still close to dead. BTC is at 60K and there were ZERO crypto ads at the superbowl a week or two ago.

>>57750898
Captcha killed this site and no flags

>>57750914
where is this quote from?

>>57750928
>Biz being dead is because crypto isnt a niche anymore, you get crypro news on major sites and social media, no reason to visit a niche text board
That makes no sense, people come here to banter not to read the news. /v/ isn't dead because video game news are all over the internet.
>>57751617
Maybe the effects of the dump from 69k were greater than we think. A lot of normies got wiped out then, they're not looking to jump back in. Crypto doomers are very popular though, because bitter normies want it to fail after THEY failed in it

>>57750898
4chan is irrelevant

What if crisis over crisis over crisis and the absolute state of the planet are a successful attempt to distract normalfags/retail from BTC and the things in motion to reset and rebuild the financial systems?

It's always about money in the end. Wars too.

>>57750898
They're just on plebbit now (good)

>>57751629

That's been a thing since forever and hasn't affected traffic numbers in the past.

>>57751783
>>57751783

Idk remember exactly but I've seen it on /pol/ in the past. It was a glownigger strategy to kill 4Chan essentially.

>>57751617
Interesting so what the fuck is retail seeing in all the mainstream news then? Is it just massive fear mongering over WWIII or something that is capturing their attention?

What narratives are trending is the question?

>>57751839
>Maybe the effects of the dump from 69k were greater than we think. A lot of normies got wiped out then, they're not looking to jump back in.

Maybe not until the point that too much money is being made and they can't help it.

To be fair, there were reports of scams and FUD like every week for months during the bear. It got ridiculous after awhile.

>>57751849
I mean maybe so but then how does that explain what this guy said >>57751617


>>57751854
Honestly this is what I'm leaning towards as the explanation to some degree.

>>57750898
Based graph
Where can i find this?

>>57751617
exactly
this is weird, the ETF seems to change everything

>>57751179
The whitepill of the day

>>57751875
The new captcha is dog shit and people have always wanted flags on here mods to busy getting the bribe money from all the scam coins that get posted on here

>>57750898
Discord trannies and redditors flooded us hard and destroyed /biz/, plus deranged change in mods/jannies, protecting their favorite threads, like daily KDA/coinmetro spam, while banning and pruning real authentic /biz/ threads finding hidden gems. The very thing that set /biz/ apart from everyone else, before the flooding.

>>57751947

I'm not disagreeing with those points just the fact that neither of those things have affected traffic hear during periods when "numba go up"

>>57751969

here*

>>57751929
https://4stats.io/

>>57750898
the retail interest seems to be declining every cycle. I remember 2021 and it was not as frenzied as 2017 as far as mainstream retail. Plus biz is not seen as a source of alpha like in 2017. It is kind of eery that we are still somewhat in a deep bear market by some metrics
>>57751839
>people come here to banter not to read the news
you would know that's not true if you were here in 2017, people saw biz as an exclusive source of crypto discussion that couldn't be found anywhere else. It's almost ironic how much it's changed.

>>57752027
I came to /biz/ in 2020 and it was already just banter and shilling. Look at the graph, clearly that was popular

>>57752027
This.

>>57750898
Easy : retail "won't fall for it again" until BTC breaks $100k

>>57751990
Good alpha thanks anon

>>57752027
honestly i think biz still has amazing gems, but same as 2017 - you have to tread through a giant pile of bullshit to find it, and then be smart enough to discern if its legit or not. Avi, TYBG, Aerodrome, FakeAI are examples thqt come to mind in the last 1 month alone that have netted 5-20x gains and I think there is another 5-100x left in it for some of these projects. Everyone loves to shit on 4chan and they always have, but lots of good alpha is still lurking here

>>57751854
it's mainly this. the "news" is essentially an attention management system that ensures normies remain hypnotized until the new financial system is ready to go.

People got rugged too many times. fell for fake pumps and don’t have the cash to even buy. Also it’s annoying to post here now in short bursts because of captcha

>>57751854
yes normies got demoralized by WW3, vaccination, israel, economical recession talk of the last years
the accumulated toll is taken on them while the elite will pull the strings in silence

This, debt is higher than ever and wealth is more concentrated than ever. There's no such thing as retail any more.

dumb money has been shaken out

>>57752172
>There's no such thing as retail any more.

Honestly it does seem like the average person is being squeezed pretty hard financially the last couple years after inflation and buying home at high interest rates so perhaps that does account for some of the lack of interest in our internet funny money that is pumping.

>>57750902
no one made it with link lol

>>57752196

I suppose but BTC has almost done a 4x since the bear market lows. You'd think Boomers and friends would see 400% gains 2 years ish and lose their minds.

The current crop of jannies ruined this board, you won't see it reach those levels again.
The people that post here are too childlike as well, nobody can have a discussion or disagree with you without going full "RETARD RETARD RETARD NEGATIVE IQ KYS" mode.
If you can't beat them, join them, /biz/ is just for shitposting and fudding everything in sight now.

>>57752215
boomers and normies have never gotten excited before the previous ATH breached

>>57750898
Have you seen the volume on the scam pump? It's nonexistent. A big crash to flush tards and fund the next bull is inevitable.

>>57750898
I think this board is a bit more active rn, are those statistics even correct?

>>57752092
based, you know whats up

>>57752172
this. normies arent getting free cheques for $2k. everyone is broke and everything is more expensive, people are getting laid off and 90% of the ones who probably would put money into crypto likely already got smoked out byt FTX/Luna and the rest.

that said, news of the new ATH will bring in more interest im sure

Inflation perhaps. Lots of people are rekt, and don't have money to play around with speculative assets. Also, we aren't as close to the real top as you think, because we've had 40 year high inflation rates since the last top.

>>57750898
It's the Pajeet effect. They destroy everywhere they go.

>>57752027
>>57752092
/biz/ is fucking dead and the signal to noise ratio isn't worth it, you're better off on twitter

>>57752439
> the signal to noise ratio on twitter is better
kek

>>57751629
I agree it was the captcha. It’s a chore. You should only have to solve it once per day

>>57751629
Lol fucking agree. I have been around here too many years, im tired, im old, the fucking captcha filters most of my threads and comments. its worse when you are phoneposting. Its a chore
>verification not required
thank you moot

>>57750898
No new ATH means the TV doesn't tell normies about BTC and that means dead board

>>57750898
people come here just during mania phases. they also go to telegram groups and watch youtube instead

>>57752726
>its worse when you are phoneposting
good

>>57752439
>/biz/ is fucking dead and the signal to noise ratio isn't worth it
skill issue. only hiqh iqs make money off of biz

>>57750898
normies got burned during the last 2 bears. they're less excited about crypto now that they understand price can go down. many capitulated

Theres telegram, discord etc these days to shill shitcoins in. Until we meme some coin to success again, dont expect the traffic to drastically raise

/biz/ was a meme trend it will never go back to where it was. biz is literally a daycare for failed normies who are too dumb and unmotivated to start a real business so they have to pretend theyre high status by taking part in cryptocasino.

you have as much brains as someone playing slot machines in the casino hoping to hit the jackpot

>>57751783
https://crestresearch.ac.uk/resources/mining-the-chans/
>>57751947
I don't want flags..

>>57752462
follow the right accounts

>>57752928
>Given the limitations of traditional tools, more out-of-the-box tactics should be considered. One such tactic would aim at gradually making these boards less interesting for their users.

>One way to achieve this would be to regularly post content that looks genuine (using the right language, imagery, etc.) yet is meaningless – this would dilute the message of these boards and make their threads uninteresting, thereby reducing their attractiveness and sense of community.

>Recent developments in artificial intelligence enabling researchers to automatically generate credible extremist sentences make such a tactic cheap and easy to implement.

retail is just a different audience now, it's millionaire boomers who buy through blackrock

>>57752202
Dude touch grass and make some friends
Being online all the time isn't good for your soul and this website distorts your perception of reality and self-identity

>>57751875
>what the fuck is retail seeing in all the mainstream news then
Russia vs Ukraine, Israel vs Hamas, 2024 elections, Taylor Swift, climate change etc. Everything is designed to keep the average normie away from what the markets are doing at the moment, it's almost comical that all assets are mooning silently but retail is completely in the dark.

>>57750898
there used to be alpha here, now jannies ban all discussion of coins that aren't 100 mil MC minimum and newfags makes 80 chainlink shill/fud threads an hour. the spike you see in 2021 is because this was the first place to get in on shib, safemoon etc

>nvidia and amd start running out of stock
>this causes companies start using depin to rent retail gpus
>this causes normalfags to fomo in again into crypto to rent their cards and make money

Am I a schizo?

>>57751617
Anon is onto something. Super bowl ads define american culture durin Q1 and Q2. I feel that the FTX collapse is what destroyed retail interest in crypto.

>>57750902
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>57752215
>BTC has almost done a 4x since the bear market lows
they don't notice anything until CNBC tells them to notice, which is also the point where smart money starts taking profits

Oooooo oooooo OOOOOOOOOoOO oooooo bitcoin gongo bitcoin gongo say it with me wagamiiiiiii gongoooooooooo we love you Satoshi and Mike Saylor and big institutions long cock etf approval ooooooooo gongoooo

>>57750928
Everyone from old biz made it. In 2021 some where still here, but on the way to to the top the only people on this board were pajeets and other newfags. You could see the decline of quality threads after the first top im summer, the second run was already shit. Everyone cashed out

>>57750902
>Because everyone that made it with LINK
>made it
>LINK

>>57750898
China's economy is imploding so chinks are laundering their money in crypto and western real estate to get it out of the country.

>>57753755
Not only did LINK go up substantially, but it was in a giant depressive bear market, so you could sell some of your stinky linky and buy high quality projects on firesale. That was before we got all the idiots with Elon Musk and memecoins.

And yet we are still nearing ath meaing 20x soon for btc and 100x for eth

>>57750898
I don't think anyone hear knows how to read graphs, 2020 was when the halving started, the chart is still flat then until 1 year after the halving. We are still close to halvening

>>57753052
Yes. And schizos are always right.

>>57750898
This place is borderline unusable because of all the spam.
Turns out anonymous posting and financial interest don't mix well.

>>57753933
>anonymous posting bad
Jewish hands typed this

>>57750898
People figured out you can't only lose money on this jeet infested forum

>>57753960
can*

>>57753957
When paired with financial interests, the incentive to spam is vastly greater.

>>57750898
Retarded captchas and pajeets, that's how it's possible.

if you create a good thread you are getting banned

this is the only reason

fuck jannies

bullish

>>57750898
>break $60k
>one green wojak
where the fuck is everyone?

>>57752045
i remember a lot of brapper posts, brappcoin

>>57752172
Normies are too busy paying their extortionate rents, their gargantuan mortgages, their deliveroo and netflix/hulu/spotify/apple music subscriptions, and their car payments. Normies aren't buying crypto. The banks don't even let them, here in the UK nearly all banks have blocked transferals to exchanges.

I agree with that other anon, the ukraine war, the pandemic, it's all a distraction to pave the way for the new economic system which will be blockchain and smart contract based. Hell, the current inflation is probably manufactured aswell. They create the problem and then offer the solution, and people will gladly accept the change. It's all been outlined in Klaus Schwab's book, the future of the fourth industrial revolution.

>>57752202
They're squeezing the average person hard because they don't want retail to make it in the upcoming fourth industrial revolution. You can't be allowed to save your paycheque and put it in link every month.

>>57751124
>Agreed but I assumed that was more for /pol/ and less about /biz/.
If the kikes target /pol/, why wouldn't they target a slower, easier to manage board? Especially when that board teaches anons how to make it on gas station wages (literally just buy and hold for 5 years)?

>>57752319
This is a good point

>>57755073
>It's all been outlined in Klaus Schwab's book
Making the masses weaker and even better controllable than now on purpose?

>>57750898
i know right
this chart makes me bearish as fuck

/biz/ is an over-moderated shithole. You get banned on here more then reddit
No one posts any alpha here cause the linktranny jannies ban you and word filter your project names.
/biz/ used to find gems like ethereum at 0.50. Nowadays they're all old boomers with chainlink Stockholm syndrome, they think holding chainlink means they already made it and don't need to search for new coins.
They are stuck in 2017 so they miss all the new coins, like the boomer grandpa who still uses a flip phone and refuses to learn smartphones.

>>57753822
You mean the link that everyone is staking and "never selling"? The same link that is now 1/6 of its btc ath while btc is nearly back to its old ath??

>>57758520
You can find and buy new promising/pumpable projects next to holding link.
And link is a golden ticket, there's no doubt left in my mind.

>>57750898
Because 4chan fucking sucks now
Everyone is on X and Tiktok

>>57758611
Google "crypto winter" newfag moron.

>>57758633
I'm saying the total collective board effort has shifted.
It's all Just two demographics, old boomers who failed to make it in 2017, 2021, who hold btc, eth and link
And zoomer poorfags / browns shilling jeet rugs to eachother
In 2017 the average age of the board was probably around 18-25 full of youthful new energy.
Nowadays it's probably closer to 25-40.
All the zoomers are on Twitter, telegram and discord, and the new crop of zoomers in crypto are brain fried adhd tiktok brain dead so they aren't focused on finding the next eth

>>57758520
They are not from old /biz/, we got taken over. There is no way in hell old mods/jannies would protect trannies and daily KDA/Coinmetro spamming, while banning hidden gems threads. That /biz/ suddenly turned globohomo is also something new.

>>57758780
We are in spring retard. Crypto has been pumping for over a year straight, but this time it's being driven by institutional investors, who are seasoned investors and therefore they are not falling for the useless altcoin scams hence its mostly only BTC running this time, since that's the only crypto with any real value.

>>57758828
>In 2017 the average age of the board was probably around 18-25 full of youthful new energy.
It was a completely different personality type. Before we had white software engineers and high IQ autists with lots of overlap from /pol/. Now we have low-IQ discord trannies and redditors.

>>57758880
>We are in spring retard.
We talked about those that MADE IT with link and left the board, faggot. Long time ago. Who cares about that is spring now, you utter newfag imbecile.

>>57758831
Yeah the new jannies are absolutely insufferable, I've been banned for the most minor mind boggling reasons, I'm guessing I'm not alone. I've been banned from /biz/ more times than all the other boards combined. We got a serious power tripping Troon problem over here

>>57750898
Buy signal

>>57750898
Retail spent their stimulus checks on yeezys and now they cant afford food let alone bitcoin

>>57758903
It has to do with age as well, back then poor young anons were more willing to risk their small $5000 portfolios, now those people are mostly in six figure hell and have become much more risk averse, once you age past 26 your mind completely changes and you become more responsible.
I fucked up in crypto because I was young and irresponsible at the time, now as I've gotten older I've become more mature and make better decisions.
I used to have 30+ btc and 1000 eth and would fomo and try to chase pumps, now I lost the majority of it, the board culture and psychology was much different back then, people didn't treat crypto as serious investments as they do nowadays, it was just wild west gambling on unregulated shitcoins

>>57753880
this. it about damn time the crypto market cap adjusts for inflation am i right???

>>57754780
Based 2018-2019 /biz/ newfag chad. I also came to this shithole in that time and it was comfy. Funniest board on 4cuck.
>Verification not required

>>57758956
Same, fren.

>>57758903
>Before we had white software engineers and high IQ autists with lots of overlap from /pol/. Now we have low-IQ discord trannies and redditors.
This. Real /biz/nismen are also /pol/chads, anyone contradicting this is a newfag who needs to go back (in the oven desu).

>>57750898
>Retail has virtually ZERO interest right now.
The interest is all institutional. Very soon, Fidelity et al will be shilling BTC everywhere.

>>57750898
Here’s the real reason. This is no longer a “young persons” site. This is a site for late 20s through late 30s men. People in this age group are either married (and have bills/obligations that can’t be risked on shitcoins) or just feel like they’re too old to put $5000 on dog memes. Some may have made it already.

The young people who are actually idealistic enough to invest in crypto are on discord and telegram. They just don’t come here anymore. So the true “retail” for this bullrun won’t be on 4chan

>>57750898
Told you so.
Reputations once gone
its never coming back
Delete the board

>>57759654
This.
It won't be long now - and all media everywhere will talk about crypto again several times per day.
It's when they want (you) to buy. They did not want normalfaggots in yet this cycle. Or else we'd have seen different headlines and reporting already. We really do live in a simulation. Understanding this will make you rich.

>>57750917
>jew id

>>57759830
What's the discord and telegram equivalent of biz?

>>57751617
this, least normie friends actually have all contacted me within the last week regarding getting into crypto.
We are a ways away.
though i may be a bad gauge because I distanced myself from all my normie friends

>>57751124
>It didn't seem to me that the traffic just moved elsewhere to Twitter lets say
It has moved to Twitter. It's a far better platform than this place, with way more features. Most importantly, no one has to put up with trolls there. One click and they're gone forever. As a result people tend to be better behaved. Plus it has Spaces.
This place can be fun but it's outclassed by Twitter, I'm afraid to say.

You are all fucking retarded. They mention btc being close to ath every 30 minutes on mainstream radio and on every news outlet.

>>57760709
No, they don't. Yet. Where do you see it pray tell?

>>57753347
>I feel that the FTX collapse is what destroyed retail interest in crypto

also there has been documentaries on Netflix on crypto scams and other media negativity. Also all big influencers have been making jokes about crypto and nfts for years now. normies see it as a joke and scam

>>57760844
lmao bro that's because it is a joke and a scam people are so dumb for falling for this crypto bullshit and all big influencers should be making fun of it also netflix documentaries are so real i'm a
>normie
and i do think crypto is a scam and nothing more

>>57759830
Speak for yourself nigger. Just because you got old doesn't mean everyone else is too.

>>57760970
But that really is what happens. By the time BTC came out I was already retired. It's much harder to justify risks. Not to mention the shenanigans with attorneys general claiming it's illegal to own crypto (although they change their mind after all their friends have filled their bags).

>>57751179
Nice, (YOU) get it.

>>57750898
normies have been burnt in market rallies couple years ago twice badly, they are out which makes 100-150k range possible

>>57758520
>>57758831
The problem is the dynamics around posting hidden gems has been changed completely by pajeet/telegram spammers. At least back in 2017 every shit project still put some effort in a whitepaper even if it was full of gibberish (timereum lmao), nowadays there are 1000 new coins created every day and if you just let everyone post each of them the legitimate posts will just get drowned out.

>>57761615
Board was much faster before. One to one and half hour with inactivity and the thread would be archived. Now, the last year or so, it can take half a day and even up to one day before a thread is archived. Boring threads were not responded to, before, and people were afraid of having their tokens in threads on /biz/, as there was always some anon finding fatal flaws in code, team etc. Nobody wanted potential investors to see that in the archive. That we now have mods and jannies that function as a filter for what we can see and determine what is good threads and good gems, instead of the board itself doing the selection process, is completely alien to the previous board culture.

Worse, now even effortposting and genuinely finding hidden gems will give you a one week ban, while others, like the KDA/Coinmetro trannies can spam their thread every single day and literally discuss the joy of having sex with dying animals. I once reported such a comment and got myself banned for three days, while nothing happened to the "sexual nirvana of having sex with a dead animal" post. They also operated outside /biz/ and organize fud raids. That's so tiresome and inorganic.

Only threads that obviously are organized from outside and bumped artificially to keep boring threads alive, ought to be pruned/deleted by mods. Outside the usual (porn, etc) of course.

>biden says he will do shit that negatively affects the economy and will make your quality of life worse
>vote for biden
>wow why are people poorer?
Blame yourselves retards, turns out when people don't have much disposable income, they are too scared to invest. A fucking Big Mac meal is damn near 15 bucks.

>>57750898
/biz/ traffic spiked with GME and fell off with the price. Might want to buy some shares tomorrow just in case.

>>57762165
Except BTC is pumping just fine.

>>57750898
Twitter/X replaced nu-4chan. Dunno why that is so hard for some of you to accept. The old 4chan is not coming back.

>>57752172
That sounds like I should be buying as much as I can.

>>57762181
>Might want to buy some shares tomorrow just in case.

That's a terrible idea. Lmao

>>57755073
This guy gets it. I hope you have a stack.

>>57760844
It's a joke and a scam until BTC pushes past ATH and then media will flip to shilling it instead baiting in retail again. This will keep happening indefinitely until the end of humanity btw, either in crypto or some other medium.

>>57761615
Here we have the same trannies posting a fake twitter feed. This thread will not be pruned by the mods or jannies, and OP will not be banned.
>>57762213

So in essence, good quality threads are getting pruned by jannies, while utter trash scam threads are up and running, and even protected. No wonder /biz/ is crashing hard.

>>57755073
>here in the UK nearly all banks have blocked transferals to exchange
Lol, that's insane.

>>57750898
Biz is a lagging indicator. Unironically still early. Accumulate more

>>57761615
>>57763865
So on /biz/ you can post blatant false information to deliberately hurt legit crypto projects, and nothing happens. You can also post about how to best ejaculate in dead animals, and the joy of doing so, and nothing happens. However, if you do research and find a hidden gem, effortposting, you will be banned for a week for "advertising". This is the insane reality for posters on /biz/ now. Total clownworld.

Biziggas, what the fuck
I refuse to believe they simply aren’t telling the normies the bull run is on
Then again, they got most of you with the vax.
Fuck i might actually be early this time.

>>57764855
Newfag here
Why doesn’t 4chan have a mechanism to directly talk to the mods? Why can’t they explain themselves?

>>57762039
Go and get a fediverse account, it'll take some time to get used to it but staying in this place leads nowhere.

>>57750898
everyones moved to twitter. i personally dont post anymore because of the new captcha.

>>57750902
>everyone that made it with LINK
how delusional are you?

>>57760844
Good, they can try and get back in at 200k.

>>57750898
Retail got burnt in 2021 going to take a while until they’re brave enough to come back, beside that 4chan is dying