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>>57638549
I'm trying to gain weight. Where's the best place to buy steak and best/easiest way to prepare? Any /fit/ anons here?

>>57638549
>How do I afford the carnivore diet? A simple 250g beef steak here costs me €7.5 with an income of roughly €1k. I'd need at least 2x250g meat a day, so that's already €15. And that doesn't even include eggs for breakfast which is €2.8 per carton. I eat 4 eggs a day, so that's 124 eggs a month, €37. Add the steak per month in which is €465 and that's €502
>Half my salary and I haven't even touched on utility bills. How the fuck am I supposed to manage that? EU is telling me to shut the fuck up leave the animols alone and eat the bugs when I can't even afford to eat the animols. Is the carnivore diet a meme or only reserved for rich people? What should I long instead?
>Help me bros I love meat so much but I feel I'm being priced out.

Make more money.

>>57638549
That's what ribeyes look like in Europe lol. Lmao even

>>57638549
>reserves for rich peopels
yes

>>57638590
it's not cooked yet genius

>>57638590
You buy it cooked in america?

>>57638618
>>57638708
That's what ribeyes look like in the US.

>>57638580
Bump

>>57638736
Yes because you feed your cattle corn until they're nearly as obese as yourselves
OP pic is what the meat of a healthy cow looks like
This is such a funny position you're taking, you think your simulacrum of beef is better than the real thing, it's like saying plastic fruit is better because it's shinier than real fruit

>>57638751
You don't eat a ribeye if you're looking for a healthy cut, dumbass. Ribeyes are supposed to be marbled

>>57638736
Also
>$40/kg for almost pure fat
You poor thing

>>57638549
eat cum

>>57638764
>you don't buy meat when you want to eat meat, you buy fat!
This is why your hand looks like picrel

>>57638791
That's a screenshot from Google, retard. At least you're a funny retard though, that made me laugh.

>>57638777
3.5 stars. Even the people buying it think it's shitty meat.

>>57638549
1. Don't do meme diets
2. If you do carnivore do mostly ground beef and eggs
>income of roughly €1k
3. Are you in Slovenia or something? Make more money.

>>57638736
Wtf its full of fat hahaha lmao

>>57638580
>>57638549
Chicken, fish, livers, more eggs, cheese. I maintain 250lbs at about 15% BF with 12--16 eggs a day and a gallon of milk.

>>57638736
>>57638777
It's true America bro. Alot of meat is fat fuck cows and hormoned the fuck out. Grassfed is the way to go IMO. America is awesome but also super gay. So it Europe though.

Imagine if we weren't such faggots to each other and realized we all have one common enemy. Gubments and banks etc.

>>57638817
3.5/4 is 87.5% you retard

>>57638807
I didn't say it was your hand I said it looked like it

>>57638925
Yeah nigger it's a ribeye.
>>57638944
There are 5 stars there, braniac. I think you actually might be retarfed

>>57638833
Pooland. Most store bought ground beef here is shit, the quality ones like pic rel cost the same as steak

>>57638925
When you go carnivore the fat replaces carbs as your energy source. You need it. Eat mostly ground beef and eggs. Have steaks on the weekend. Keep your freezer stocked up and only buy what is on sale.

>>57638549
Animals are free. You don't have to buy their meat.

>>57638580
Try Gomad

>>57638969
3.5/5 is 70% you retard

>>57638943
Do you ever have intestinal trouble? I'm good with drinking a lot of milk but have never tried that many eggs in a day. What form do you normally eat them
>>57639004
Kek, I do try and drink whole milk with each meal

We should start a clinical trial analysis about people going carnivore being mentally ill. Also carnivore diet is highly correlated to crypto gamblers personality.

>Veg/Mediterranean diet : life expectancy 100years. Longed SMCI and 10xed the folio.

>Carnivore diet : life expectancy 5 years after the beginning of the diet. Kidneys fully collapsed. Longed dbo or shba inu at the top, lost it all and now try to gamble on poopcon, virgin, lives with his mom. Gives financial and nutrition advices.

>>57638549
What i do.
>Buy eggs. Cheap bacon. Chicken and beef. some frozen vegetables without carbs.
>Avoid Carbs at all cost.
>Only supply your body with Fat and protein:
>Keto
>Fast for 18 hours before eating
>Just eat 1 meal aday.
>Profit

>>57638549
I hope you enjoy clogged arteries and heart attacks anon

>>57639353
Even my cat is smarter than you and eat some vegs from time to time and I mean a cat is about 10 IQ so you having a lower IQ is something.

I will never understand these meme diets. Humans evolved around the fact that they can/should eat a high variety of food and that's also why humans stood out in the global food chain.
Now average sapiens sapiens are so retarded they prefer eating mono meme diets like fking dinosaurs. Seriously biz is never getting smart.

You should try stop eating for 12 months I heard it can cure cancer you genius. We should start this diet it would make the world a better place.

>>57639060
>Veg/Mediterranean diet : life expectancy 100years
Why would you want to live for a 100 years in the current world lmoa
You're also missing a lot natural fats and nutrients. I've never seen a person who was on veg-med diet who looked healthy, they're usually very brittle and pale. Liberals who have their heads stuck up in their asses mostly.
>>57639373
That's usually the result of trans fats and lot of processed foods, not meat eating in general.

>>57638549
>Is the carnivore diet a meme
yes

>>57638549
Go hunting
Buy a half of beef, comes out to about $5 a pound and you get higher quality cuts.

>>57638549
>I'd need at least 2x250g meat a day

No animal eats that much meat daily for any consistent period you fucking tard.

>They don't eat wild, organic bush meat

If you've never had Elk than you literally don't know what proper animal meat looks and tastes like.

>>57638736
>70% fat

Lmao, imagine being part of the underclass.

>>57640564
low quality bait

>>57638549
go to ethnic markets and get from the deli.

>>57638736
Not grassfed amerishart

>>57640564
Where are you, I’ll buy the raw blood from your next kill

>>57638549
Theyre purposely making meat too expensive to discourage eating it, which lowers demand, which increases costs further and forces supply reduction.

>>57640564
We do on family get togethers when I visit as I'm from a hunting family, but I couldn't eat deer all the time.

>>57641261
I'm aware, their fake onions meat industry got btfod because nobody buyed their overpriced shit so now they push cricket flour and lab grown meat. It's a bizarre world

>fit vegetarian
>actually fit, not LARP-/fit/
>picrel todays run

Guys you are a nuch of fucking morons to think "carnivore" is a real thing. I just made red beans and cheese on tortillas with hot sauce, filling and enough left over for a fraction of the cost of meat, which, when I do buy (rarely) the expense makes no difference because I'm not eternal poorfag who spent all their money on meme diets that achieve nothing but accelerated atherosclerosis. Eggs? Not even once.

But if you have to be that moron, and can't figure out where or what to buy, the answer is "A FUCKING FARMER."

You're welcome, dumbass.

>>57641261
This is a straightforward example of fundamental economic illiteracy

>>57641347
Tofu is clean protein my downs syndrome brother. Had some the other day. Noticed no effect on my rock hard erections. Sorry for your loss.

As for "they selling us lab grown bugs protein bro" yeah, I think you have to have full-blown brain cancer at this point, to believe that shit

>>57639521
you clearly have no fucking idea how your body actually works do you.

>>57640260
The people I meet on a regular basis at 100years are living a great life. No people live this old without love for life. (Family is around, they love walking, having a dip in the lac, cycling for some)
Most of them eat meat on rare occasions only and like to eat anything as long as it's high quality food (natural, local etc) nothing magical.

Now you go on Biz and watch depressed 30yo virgins retards crying "you should only eat meat it will cure your brain".

>>57641413
Your contribution shows how much you know about food do you

>>57638549
buy a whole chuck roll u get like 27lbs of meat good quality https://youtu.be/ZvhYfEVNvSY?si=hCNcYL07CLy_NKG-
BTW regular ground beef isn't real but chuck ground beef is

I save money on carnivore ofc it doesn't even fucming matter if you're eating Raman and rice it's not food and poisoning you. quit coffee immediately it poisons u fucked my life up. meat is real food so u better find a way to afford it
here it's $3 a lb for ground beef 27 fat%
9 a lb steak
you can get chuck roasts for 6 7 $ a lb
and chicken thighs are 1 to 2 dollars a lb very cheap

>>57638736
expensive I get mine for $9 local grocery
>>57638925
fat is most nutritious part anon

>>57638549
buy in bulk. I live in Canada. super expensive food and I just buy a full cow for a couple grand. I get quality free range

>>57638736
I can't be the only one to notice that thumb

>>57640564
you know people would die eating only elk meat with no fat right...?

>>57640564
insanely lean meat there. looks amazing. I really need to start hunting

>>57641668
no they wouldn't, try and move that goalpost to elk liver only

Ask me about the carnivore diet and I'll answer it. It's not a meme diet unfortunately people like peterson and liver king and retards had to shill it making it look bad.

For op
You need to just buy cheaper cuts of meat unfortunately so no rib eyes. Trimmings of fat are thrown away by butchers so they are more than happy to leave them on or to give them to you. If you go the ground beef route you need to get the ratio right or supplement the extra fat.
>>57638580
You want to gain muscle and bone density not 'weight' and not an excessive level of fat. You'll do that by eating carnivore normally with dairy thrown in if you can tolerate it.
>>57638943
A gallon of milk is almost 200g of carbohydrates way over any low carb carnivore diet max recommendations of 50g at the absolute max.

>>57638549
Get undesireable cuts. Heart is a fairly healthy one that usually is pretty easy to make taste good and is actually rather tender, tho sometimes can taste too much of iron. Liver is a hit or miss but is also fucking cheap and extremely healthy. You need to supplement with other fats though.
Honestly I wouldn't do carnivore and I'd just do keto. It lets you have other healthy fats like olive oil as options too and you can still eat some greens. Caesar salad for example is rather good option you can load with fats and spring greens don't have much carbs, but you can't really use croutons. Spinach you can drown in olive oil to make it heavily weighted towards fats in your macros.
Overall though no diet that isn't goyslop is going to be relatively cheap unless you like feeling hungry.

>>57638751
Ribeyes are supposed to be fat. The fat is where the flavour is.

>>57641781
If it's not a meme diet why NOBODY on earth living above even 60 yo doesn't live on this diet ?
It's like saying "buy a loto ticket you have 0.00000001% winning probability but I'm 100% sure you will win"
And people actually believe

I mean it's just sad at this point because the initial idea of this meme diet is to say "we eat goyslop sh*t so we should start eating real food again".
Which is a first valuable analysis. But then instead of saying "Let's starts a high variety high quality nutritional food from different sources"

You get the "you know what ? Let's eat like fking dinosaurs, nobody ever lived like that for more than a few years but it's great"

We should scan/detect meat eaters and block them from hospitals or any form of health support so at least their stupidity don't impact the whole fking society.

T. Worked in infarctus emergencies unit. Was waking up every night for 3 years to work with the medic and save a fking 40yo truckman eating fking meat everyday and smoking cigarets.

>>57641874
state the logic where you'd want to have fat from olive oil instead of animal fat. There isn't any. There are no reasons to consume olive oil over animal fat. Is it because you think you should reduce saturated fats as compared to other fats? Ask again your logic in recommending eating greens? What nutrients are in a caesar salad. Seriously think logically through your position and ask yourself why you'd eat a casear salad instead of meat.

You also go on to recommend spinach. Ask again why? What can you get in spinach you can't get from more meat. Actually the only thing you'll get is a whole load of anti nutrients in the form of oxalates. You like the idea of 'balance' because that's what has been sold to you and it sounds 'logical'

>>57641993
You're an absolute idiot shut the fuck up you subhuman. You cite some anecdotal evidence of your trucker then in the same sentence claim he was ill because of red meat and cigarettes. Well which one was it smart ass the meat or the cigarettes or maybe not enough movement. What else did that trucker in your story eat? Oh perhaps he was eating a standard high fat high carbohydrate diet and not a 'carnivore' diet. What's high quality food dickhead and why should it be from 'different sources' seriously defend your airhead position. I know you can't because posters like you are actual subhuman idiots.

>>57642032
The amount of insults you write is proportional to your stupidity.
40yo Truckers were the average emergencies, it was everyday, 7days/week 24h/24h.
In the emergy cardiac unit people are forbidden to eat red meat and salt. Because it's been scientifically proven to be detrimental to your heart. Go on pubmed, google scholar, american heart society, look for cohort studies but you probably don't know these words and their meaning.
In your case meat seems to also be detrimental to your brain.
You should be banned from society and any form of health benefit. In your case i would give you a gun so you can eventually kys when your realize that you're dumber than a fking mice.

>>57642032
American Heart Association. I've done it just for you so maybe (0.01% chance probably) you won't wake up another healthcare worker when you're 40yo with an coronary artery clot.

>>57642173
>globohomo art
>the organization that pushed for a clotshot
I can already see several glaring (((errors))):
You cannot balance calories with activity. Just eat less and do some activity.
Plants are not a healthy protein source, milk and eggs are.
Mindlessly cutting down on salt will cause heart problems and dehydration.
Plant oils are cancer.

>>57642118
>>57642173
I've seen how you've already spammed this thread with stupidities so I'm going to write this only for any anons lurking.

When you come across anything it's important to start from first principles. Why do we eat the way we do? How is the human body designed? How did we eat 5000 years ago and 100000 years ago? What can for instance a cohort study actually inform us on? What do medical professionals study to learn about nutrition?

At any juncture of new information start from there. Now I could have explained previously why olive oil is a worse choice than animal fat on only one reason of many being that the oils you eat are rancid from the time you buy them leading to the formation of aldehydes. Or I could tell you about how vitamin C requirements become near zero when not consuming carbohydrates because they compete using the glut4 transporter or I could mention that most cohort studies are actually nothing more than poorly designed questionnaires where the people being studied are simply asked over a period of time what they have been eating and has anything changed over 1 or 5 years for example and therefore are unable to inform on any aspect of human nutrition by their nature alone.

What's more important is you start asking these questions.

When someone says 'truckers' were always in the cardiac ward and their hospital recommendations are little meat and salt just ask WHY? How did they arrive at this 'knowledge'

I will stay around and answer any specific questions but I'm not going to engage in debate when someone tells me HHAHA cohort study IDIOT. It takes too long to debunk this on an off topic 4chan post

>>57638549
Just eat the cricket powder and drink the cockroach milk.

>>57638549
You can eat meat cheaply.
Try out different butchers. Cheaper, fattier, longer cooking cuts are better for carnivore. Try smoking a brisket or buying beef and lamb ribs and baking them. Eating meat is no more pricy than eating goyslop if you know what you are doing.

>>57642032
>state the logic where you'd want to have fat from olive oil instead of animal fat. There isn't any. There are no reasons to consume olive oil over animal fat. Is it because you think you should reduce saturated fats as compared to other fats? Ask again your logic in recommending eating greens? What nutrients are in a caesar salad. Seriously think logically through your position and ask yourself why you'd eat a casear salad instead of meat.
Because it's cheaper and there's not much of a difference according to most studies I've seen. You mainly just want to avoid heavily processed fats like hydrogenated oil. He wanted an affordable carnivore diet, but he could maybe consider cheaper alternatives to achieve the same goal.
>You also go on to recommend spinach. Ask again why? What can you get in spinach you can't get from more meat. Actually the only thing you'll get is a whole load of anti nutrients in the form of oxalates. You like the idea of 'balance' because that's what has been sold to you and it sounds 'logical'
Spinach has some good vitamins in it to counter the oxilates, you can observe this by just looking at it. It's a good source of iron. It's not necessary if you're also eating heart or liver but it's not an issue to eat it as well. Oxilates aren't that big of an issue anyways, very overblown.
You type like a cultist. Why are there so many people coming out lately that think plants are literal poison.

>>57642514
>It's a good source of iron.
It was debunked already, spinach is not a good source of iron. Red meat on the other hand is a good source of iron.
https://www.compoundchem.com/2018/07/17/spinach/

>>57642653
Well good thing I recommended the two best sources of iron then

Why do carnitards and ketofags act like eating a lot of saturated fat is no big deal? Eating it will increase your LDL which is a risk factor for heart disease. If you're going to eat meat make sure it's lean and the dairy is low-fat

>>57642884
By this logic the optimal meat source is lean deer and rabbit when historically europeans hunted fatty mammoths.

>>57642514
I already stated that fat is cut and thrown by butchers then retards will pay for 'wagyu' like marbling when the fat was already there and just got trimmed off and thrown away. Olive oil although not as good as animal fat I will agree it's a much better option than other seed oils. As the other poster mentioned not only is spinach low in iron it's not even in the correct form. Plants are poisonous and a lot of the old world knowledge for making them less poisonous has been forgotten and now people are eating raw spinach because 'raw' is better.

Beyond the science there's a giant culture around eating 3 times a day and snacks and eating 100s of foods from every end of the earth. The reality of just eating 1 steak a day being better for you is too confronting to most. It's not 'life' and people think it's depriving yourself. That's a psychological barrier that only gets brought down when either you're overwhelmed with evidence or you're forced to try something different due to health issues.

>>57642884
>eating a lot of saturated fat is no big deal
It is not a big deal, because "saturated fat is bad" was a lie invented by Big Sugar to explain why the hell the health of the USA citizens was deteriorating so fast (spoiler: it was because of all the sugary drinks and sugar in all of the food).
Also fat is unbeatable at quenching the hunger and there is even a diet where you eat a small piece of salo for breakfast.

>>57642173
>pushes seed oils
>plant proteins over red meat

why does the American government push harmful advice

>>57638549
>only eating steak
Eat liver, pork and bacon too. Organ meat is the most nutritious part of the animal and also the cheapest since its a byproduct with all of the costing being applied to the regular cuts. Don't bother with carnivore if you aren't going to eat offal.

>>57641781
>You want to gain muscle and bone density not 'weight
You talk like a faggot who's never lifted. You're a huge pussy who's never been in the gym thinking you can give advice

>>57642920
who gives a fuck what humans ate thousands of years ago? a lot of hunter gatherers died before 40 and didn't have to worry about getting a heart attack later in life. let's study modern humans and the effect diet has on them (where diets like the Mediterranean diet have lot of evidence backing it)

>>57642935
oh no! not another plants are poison retard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxtSdFXtX-E

>>57642966
enjoy your heart attack fag

>>57643024
Mammoth eaters were stronger, taller and had larger brains then modern humans.

>>57638549
Ditch steak and go with 80/20 ground beef if you want to go carnivore on a budget.
Also cut back on other expenses in your life to invest in your health. You will find that you can afford it if you prioritize it enough, poorer people then you have figured it out.

>>57643024
>enjoy your heart attack
Dude, if a heart attack or clogged arteries is how you're going to scare fatties off then you already failed.
Fatties know that their overweight is already going to kill them exactly like that, so they can at least try to be leaner, sexier and enjoy life much more with a meat-based diet.

>>57642966
While politics and lies are a large part of why we are in this mess it's also due to the fact that eating a large amount of fats with carbohydrates is extremely damaging. You can look up the randle cycle to see why. Also there's a total misunderstanding about there being different types of cholesterol when there is one only and the difference is the carrier.
>>57642987
Organs like liver should not be overconsumed and nose to tail carnivore is not required or even recommended. >>57643010
Go take a piss idiot that's 'weight' you've just lost understand the terms you use when you speak. If you want to gain muscle then eat enough protein, workout 2 to 3 times Max per week and rest enough. What dumbass question are you even asking.
>>57643024
Not the whole 40 year old bullshit again. Listen champ humans haven't changed that much in a few thousand years and that's precisely why you should see what allowed us to get here today. Modern human diets are clearly not working TODAY not just thousands of years from now. The fact you posted layne Norton as someone who you think understands human nutrition says it all really. Layne mass is conserved Norton.

>>57638549
>>57638777
Pathetic "steak". No wonder eurofags look so femine and sickly

>>57638549
Have you considered this? $23 for 25lbs

https://mazuri.com/products/mazuri-primate-basix

>>57638751
>Yes because you feed your cattle corn until they're nearly as obese as yourselves

And it's why American steak tastes better than European steak

>>>57643898
You'll notice grain fed beef's fat is a white colour and grass fed beef has a yellow hue. I haven't come across enough to say grain fed beef is much worse for you than grass fed but being defensive I'll take the way things have been done for a long time over new things with results unknown. Why have food with potentially less nutrients and pumped full of hormones.I really laugh at Americans and what they believe constitutes food. It's not just Europe that has some basic food standards but certainly they lead the way.

I've had literally hundreds upon hundreds of kilos of USDA prime goyslop ribeyes and sirloins and dozens of kilos of a4 and a5 wagyu from some of the finest producers in Japan. Doesn't hold a candle to a good Argentinean grass fed steak

>>57643104
>If you want to gain muscle then eat enough protein, workout 2 to 3 times Max per week
Again, You're a huge pussy who's never been in the gym thinking you can give advice

>>57638777
what the fuck is nectar?

>>57641903
who cares about flavor? I want to peak

>>57638777

Fun fact: The meat with less fat in it is considerably cheaper.
You're looking at "Prime Ribeye" in the picture, aka flavorful meat.

If you enjoy punishing yourself, or are a brokie, you can buy "Choice" or even "Select" (the "genuine leather" equivalent of meat labels.)

In the other direction, you find things like "Kobe" or "Wyagu" labels, which is meat even more marbled with fat and of course even pricier.

Also folks selling "Kobe" meat in the US are almost always lying, but that's another topic.

>>57639521
>cat is about 10 IQ so you having a lower IQ is something
extremely based post

>>57644160
Go back to the truly amazing threads at /fit/ where the brightest minds talk about the latest Sam sulek or Greg douchette video. Here's a great idea let's do a 6x per week heavy lifting routine omg bro yes I know what makes perfect sense is doing a rich piana routine as am 18 year old natural lifter.

You're a dumbass this thread has nothing to do with the gym except you keep bringing it up as if it means something. That's why I asked what the fuck are YOU even asking you stupid fuck.

I'll school your dumb ass about exercising too

>>57644390
You your a little pussy who's never been in a gym thinking he can give out advice. You write paragraphs of fluff to try and hide that you have no idea what you're talking about beyond some googling. Tiny little faggot

>>57644405
Did you drop a barbell on your head or did they accidentally circumcise your brain instead of your cock. Let us know when you progress to be able to read two paragraphs. I lift more than you and have done my share of all the bullshit programs both good and bad. Making your whole personality about lifting is gay as fuck.

>>57644464
>Did you drop a barbell on your head or did they accidentally circumcise your brain instead of your cock.
Proving my point you just write gay fanfic to cover up that you have no insight or actual knowledge. You're a pussy who hasn't been to a gym

>>57644480
Whatever you say champ keep stuffing your face full of carbs before a workout and don't forget the fast digesting mid workout carbs too because you can't make it an hour without your blood sugar crashing. Meanwhile I walk into the gym 23 hours fasted and smash it out with a glass of water. Let me know when you progress off the pyramid dumbbell rack.

>>57644502
>Another paragraph of complete fluff
You got bitched out and now are seething because someone called you on your bullshit little boy

>>57638549
You need to buy ground beef or pork

>>57642986
Because they are the Great Satan

>>57638549
Get a better job
Buy meat in bulk
Steal it (easiest option, just put it down your pants)

>>57638549
Is no one going to mention sardines in a can? They're extremely low mercury, high in vitamin D and calcium, very filling, lasts forever on the shelf, and they can be had for cheap. The best are packed in olive oil but if you want to be a purist you can just get them in water. They are not stinky or unpleasant, they're quite literally just small fish in a can, and in fact the nicer ones are nearly indistinguishable from light tuna. Give them a try, they're good on their own or alongside a plate of eggs

>>57638549
>eating steaks while trying to do carnivore
How about, not eating steaks?

>>57644873
OP does not consider himself a poorfag to eat chicken, eggs and dairy products.

>>57639521
>Imagine being this uninformed about human nutrition but talking as if you have a clue about it
Just keep your cocksucker shut next time, faggot. Embarrassing. Not even worth tearing apart your shitty post, because I want you to be unhealthy and die prematurely, you arrogant prick.

>>57644886
That was a smart post by you indeed. Really helpful. Now go back to your mcfries Johndoe

>>57644271
Oh no, it's your retarded ass again, get out of my thread

Chicken, eggs?

>>57644243
Peak what? Dont eat ribeye then eat sirloin or some shitty steak with no fat

>>57645439
Cottage cheese is great too.

>>57638549
>income of roughly 1k
that is fucking disgusting. up your game