/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>57108238

Ya, I'm here. What's up?

Early 2017 was wild. I remember when BTC first crossed $2k and everyone was like "It's way overheated, it has to cool down" kek

>>57108238
yup. we are hitting 300k next year

>>57108238
fuck no. 2017 every day felt like a month, every week a year

>>57108238
I don't appreciate you using the "f" word.

I would kick your ass if you were in San Francisco.

in 2017 every hr some random shit coin was pumping +50% and partnerships/rebrand tweets were huge price events ....man the good ol days

not even close. almost no hype and 100x more indians. seriously, the only people I know who buys bitcoin now are boomer indians and it will be their children's 529.

I was here when /biz/ was fucking founded nearly a decade ago. It's very different because back then people would actually talk a lot about business. With that being said I only care about crypto. And no, I haven't made it yet. About $600k crypto account right now.

>>57108288
You mean my tectum is up my rectum today?

>>57108238
You have no idea.

A whatever project literally just updates website design and the shitcoin goes up 150% in hours just based on that alone.

yall are dumaf fr, btcc aint hittin shit till next year at least, when that shi go up slowly sell dat shi

>>57108260

There are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks when decades happen

>>57108238
not even close, 2017 was such a mindbending pump. 2021 paled in comparison. 2013 was the most impressive I saw personally but it was also localized to btc, alts weren't really a thing then. 2017 was the birth of alts in the mainstream and plummeting of bitcoin dom

this is still the tail end of the bottoming/accumulation period. Things get a lot more interesting over next 2 years

>>57108238
link was born on 2017, do you feel old yet

>>57108238
Nah 2017 was way more awesome. Imagine every few minutes getting 1000/btc. Shit was unbelievable. I was gooning all year

>>57108326
>I was here when /biz/ was fucking founded nearly a decade ago.
>When BTC was a few hundred, ETH was a few bucks and DOGE was thousandths of a cent
>And no, I haven't made it yet. About $600k crypto account right now.

Damn sorry fren. At least you have an okay stack tho

2017 was much more intense. Listings meant a lot. ICOs blasted off as soon as they launched. But there were also very deep dips. Remember when ETH crashed 99.99% in 3 seconds due to a waterfall of stop-loss orders. There was also a lot of talk about BTC vs BCH, seg-wit and all that. Honestly the intensity and how big it got shocked everyone, I didn’t see it coming at all. Invested in ETH at $7 when coinbase first registered it and thought it would never get beyond 100

>>57108238
lurked here back in 2014 when I was much younger and not able to have a job. I have not made it but I am up 93% ytd and work in tech so thats nice.
I would say I would like to be an oldfag but being young is great.

>>57108238
This is nothing like 2017. I remember a stretch of 3-4 weeks where you could buy anything and it might go up double digits for multiple days at a time. It didn't matter if it was a more established project or some ICO shitcoin. I bought XRP at $1 and sold it less than a week later at over $3. And /biz/ was nonstop spammed with people shilling their shitcoins. True euphoria.

>>57108252
nothing will ever compare to 2017, especially in these times of diminishing returns.

>>57108535
That was LATE 2017, not early 2017

>>57108372
2021 was dogcoins + nfts. The pump on a ton of other stuff was basically shit, especially when you look at stuff like Luna that went from 0 to top 10 marketcap and then back to ZERO. The wealth destruction from that alone was insane. I really wonder what the cycle would have looked like without the Luna ponzi collapse + ftx and other Jewish centralized lending scams stealing assets to market dump them to buy amphetamines and Bahamas real estate

No. Not like 2017.

>>57108477
Yeah this. I remember feeling near suicidal when ETH went from 420 back to 100, and again when LINK went from like 0.60 back to 0.20.
>>57108584
Early 2017 had some crazy pumps too, but yeah not the same level of euphoria. That was my favorite time in crypto though, partially because the coins pumping like that across the board was new to us all. Great time to be on /biz/.

>>57108535
this, you had to have been there. shit was insane. /biz/ was also 100x funner. no inorganic shills, way better memes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMonlRsJ5hY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCOjCEth6xI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTf5j9LDObk

>>57108584
Early 2017 was great as well and that's what got me hooked on investing in crypto. The $100 I spent on ETH in early March was worth more than double by the end of the month. Then I spent the summer dropping thousands on more ETH, BTC, NEO, ARK, etc. My only regret is not going all-in even though I was cash heavy.

>>57108584
>>57108601
first pum [ i saw where i bought into it all was the ant5hares pump, dont really know what was going on before that

Been on 4chan since 2003
Been on biz since 2016

Still haven’t made it, not even close. Sold tons of BTC at $550

>>57108618
I almost immediately pulled a 10k loan.

>>57108238

Maybe 1 in 100 faggots here is an oldfag from 2017 and earlier. Most of the ones who made it left here and never returned

>>57108634
I literally got a $100k personal loan in early 2018 to buy the "dip." You can imagine how that went, but I fought my depression, kept buying more with each paycheck, and I'm doing pretty well now.

>>57108238
I got into crypto around September 2017 and didn’t make it because I was both ignorant to how things worked and a broke college student with a three-digit net worth. By 2021 I hit six digits, but lost most of it. Now I have no crypto and thousands in debt. The flurry of Indian scammers is awful. I have no idea what to buy.

>>57108238

Yea I'm here what you need anon?

>>57108238
Early 2017 was insane.
ETH went from $15 to $50 and I thought I'd already missed a huge opportunity.
Then everything started doing x5s and x10s everywhere, with x100s+ littered in.

I had some ark, pivx, nexus, and a whole bunch of other coins on bittrex and they ALL pumped (in sat value, and BTC itself was already really high, but hadn't started going up yet).

Then coins Ra1bl0cks/NAN0 and Ant5har3s/NE0 went thru the roof.
All you learned during that time was that taking profits was stupid because everything just keeps going up more.

BTC was like $1-2k then... then it shot up straight to 20k quite a bit later on.
2017 was just something else

>>57108584
I guess that's true. I bought every ICO I could, and made profit in all of them.

>>57108626
DGB was the most fun for me before that. Loved the threads where her tits got bigger as it went up.

>>57108640
I come back here like once a month but considering its majority crypto shit and there are dedicated generals to meme events from back in 2020 you really have to assume the median level of discourse here is fearsome. Like other blue boards I will check up on this place in case of some new underground shit normies havent heard of, really the best way to use 4chan if you ask me. Mostly hot gas, but life itself formed from hot gas given a long enough time.

>>57108677
The /biz/ catalog full pink wojaks during the Dec 17/Jan 18 capitulation was glorious. I don’t think I’ve ever had as much fun shitposting. Truly magical.

In 2017 I literally wired 5k to a random bank in japan to buy ETH on quadriga because it kept going up and coinbase wouldn't fucking let me buy more, people have no idea how lucky they are with how easy it is to buy now.

2017 was more intense because retail was stupid and naive about crypto, and willing to fancy themselves as VCs who were getting in early on "the next bitcoin".

>>57108238
>is this what early 2017 felt like?
definitely not. this shit will never be like 2017 ever again.

>>57108238
Late 2017 was truly insane. You had to literally watch the charts non stop because it was like seeing supernovas blow up every few hours from October to December. All of the action in those 2-3 months was years movement now. 2017 ruined me for stocks and crypto forever. I dream my heaven is to relive those days on repeat

>>57108697
I know that feel, bro.

>>57108697
Yeah. I remember buying Second Life money to trade for Bitcoin to get past the Coinbase limit.

ok the OP has had his question answered by now i think
mod close the thread please

>>57108252
>>57108288
>>57108372
>>57108417
>>57108477
>>57108535
>>57108572
>>57108601
>>57108677
>>57108697
>>57108700

Damn, I'm really sad I missed the 2017 bullrun. Sounded like so much fun bros... the only bullrun I've experienced is 2021 and I was late to the party. It was a shit party anyway, full of NFT crap and numerous dogcoins. Oh how I wish I could have been on this board during 2017.

>>57108749
>>57108697
at least you guys had this stuff as an option to buy Bitcoin back then I had to use a market for a shitty internet videogame. Fuck Coinbase forever, fucking faggots region blocked people. Only people from certain countries could accumulate Bitcoin easily.

>>57108572
Was there, you have no clue what's coming. Our financial system is collapsing in slow motion. Wake up

>>57108238
Oldfag here.
You can't really compare crypto today with early 2017.
mid/late 2017 changed crypto forever because the mainstream joined in.
Now it's all cancer.

>>57109079
>Our financial system is collapsing in slow motion.
it is
>Wake up
i hope you're not thinking that crypto is a hedge against this coming collapse, if so then LOL

>>57109178
probably a xrp boomer tard

I remember someone on this board gave me 800 dollars worth of bitcoin back then and thats when I first started trading alts. I will never forget that anon that gave me money for getting dubs, I will repay you one day buddy

>>57109173
This is true, the type of people into crypto and their reasons for being into it changed too much.

>>57109178
Your shiny rocks won't be money ever again
>>57109219
>Xrp
Newfag

>>57109363
>Your shiny rocks won't be money ever again
they've been money for thousands of years and will continue to be money.

2017 was filled with a shitload of scams and pump and dumps

>>57108771
it was the longest sustained and strongest dopamine hit of my life. i love being in threads with other 2017 anons.

>>57108256
But one bread costs 300$ are you ready?

>>57108683
>Mostly hot gas, but life itself formed from hot gas given a long enough time.
You actually believe this satanic occultism... bruh. Did your phone Evolve from the rocks too? Your cells and dna are far more Complex.

>>57108256
We're just getting started anon. Though it all depends on your risk tolerance be smart enough to put money in asset with proven products. You can DCA into lowcaps like KGO, XTP, and ROSE stop acting like a retard

Nothing can bring back the magic of 4chan of years gone by.

>>57108601
ETH's a clear winner for sure. Accumulating Eth isn't even on my radar. But you know what? Payment solutions could really take off as Bitcoin acceptance rates shoot up

>>57109923
still the best place on the net

>>57109959
It is, but mostly because the rest of the internet has declined so much more

>>57108238
>early 2017
feels like August 2019 when everyone was drooling over Bakkt launch

got into crypto like 3~ years ago and bought btc almost at the 60k top (i am still recovering). complete with gamefi shit coming back like blocklords which actually looks alright and dogcoins making a comeback too. everyone is here.

>>57109986
2019-2020 /biz/ was the most kino shit I’ve ever experienced on the internet. The peak LINK crumb threads and the Google pump all the way to the 2020 pump to $20. Nothing will ever top that era, the best memes in the world were being made there weekly. It was like a renaissance movement

>>57109564
I remember that. That was funny.

>>57108238
2017 was much weirder.
Everything was new, people were much more naive and there wasn't the certainty in Ethereum and Bitcoin we have now.

In 2016/2017 less than half of threads were about crypto. The bear market meltdown of 2018 was hilarious though.

>>57108238
>is this what early 2017 felt like?
No, 2017 was in a league of its own. I don't think it will ever be repeated.
2023 crypto market is hot garbage. Most alts are not even moving. VC pump and dumps, meme coin rugs. Bitcoiners praying bankers adopt their coin.

>>57108263
jews rape kids

>>57109173
> boomers:
create computers, internet, proof of work

> gen x:
creates bitcoin

> millenials:
creates ethereum, sol, avax, link
brings mega volume with binance coinbase usdt
creates dogecoin the first memecoin thats still going strong

> zoomers:
dogcoins, shitcoins, memecoins with average lifespan of less than 1 day (rugpulls)

you can see the trend.
each gen is dumber and more useless than the last.

>>57108238
2017 was absolutely insane, I was on a discord with two guys who were trading in chunks of 50 BTC every few minutes

I came here in early 2017, February I think. It was slower of a board, and there were still bagholders trying to get people to buy Trumpcoin lmao.

It was a higher quality board in that people were funnier, the memes were funnier, and there were more fundamentals being talked about rather than “COIN HAVE DOG LOGO ME BUY”

I still havent made it because I held through the 2018 bear like a retard. But Im in mid 6 figure hell so Im hoping to be in 7 figures at the end of this one. Slow n steady, Jeb Bush style

>>57108238
haircomb feels like 2011 before bitcoin was listed on mtgox
source: haircomb devs and supporters are bitcoiners from that era

>>57108263

Im in Potrero hill and you are a faggot

>>57108618
Bark for ark!!!!

>>57108630
Thank you this makes me feel a lot better for not making it either

>2017 is considered an oldfag

>>57109543
I’m afraid it damaged my brain permanently because I’m not able to get excited about anything anymore

No nigger. The internet is dead and we are all (mostly) bots or caricatures of who we were.

I remember around December 2017 just leaving my phone on at the table of a bar with friends and we just watched my portfolio with a bunch of shitcoins go up thousands every 5 minutes
That will never ever happen again and /biz/ has been a never ending cycle of pajeets and third worlders and retarded zoomers chasing the thing that they missed thinking history repeats itself in such a simple way.

>>57111498
>>57111898
why do you always have to ruin the jokes

>>57108238
i feel that the last time /biz/ was good and had good leads and legit anons was 2019

>>57108680

We're the digimarines and we're not fucking selling!

>>57108245
prove it

>>57108263
The f word. Kek.

Piling up here on the insanity that 2017 was, we can't forget the coming of Bizonacci.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRXdxiot5JM

Now everything's so fake and gay.

>>57112088
Same here, me and a buddy had 6 figure shitcoin portfolios and I remember we went into a casino and while we were entering we both checked our portfolios and they were up 10% for the day. Played an hour of poker and left the casino and we checked again and I had made $40k and my buddy had made $70k, in one fucking hour. Was surreal

Then we both held to literally zero over the next year. Fun times

>>57108238
our time has passed, anon

>Reminder that LINK marines stole their entire persona from Digimarines

>>57108252
I browsed this board casually since 2016, the year my dumb ass started grad school. I only stopped being an absolute broke fag in 2020 when I finished my PhD and started working.
No hope for me whatsoever

I haven't posted in a few years but I'm still here dog.

>>57112822
Just grind leetcode bro

>>57109219
BASEDGROK presale keeps winding down to the end as it's hitting to roof top of pinksale. Ain't gonna miss out on this.

>>57108651
I did this in November 2021 but thankfully paid back the loan in full a couple of days later.

>>57108238
I don’t know, but I’m going to fuck a pussy soon

>Thinking old fags are from 2017
Faggots.

>>57112822
You finished a PHD you massively deluded faggot. Get off of this newfag scam board.

>>57109288
>Gets dubs again.

>>57108501
do i count as an oldfag if i only came here to lurk and crank it to lewds?

>>57108238
You were afraid up go to sleep because you'd miss a pump or be part of a dump
There's definitely the beginnings of 2017 vibes

Who remembers liqui.io and the hype around eos and tezos?

>>57108238
First visited biz in 2017 spring, made some good money from xtrabytes, oyster, upfiring, nano. Lost everything in 2018 January + Bitgrail nano rug + oyster rug. Thankfully made some good money back with the original POWH3D game.

After that visited biz sometimes when I remembered that place. Got more active in 2020 summer. Was one of the lucky ones who bought rubic near the 0.01$ mark. Made 50x and looked my money disappearing in 2021 summer. Sold some to buy memecoins and watched the other half disappearing in 2021 summer. Sold at the complete bottom. Watched later how it climbed higher in the second run.

Randomly found my way back here some weeks ago and I feel like the next cycle will get going within a year. Time to load up.

>>57108238
no one here has left, we just talk less because we're ashamed for not having made it, I'm still waiting for the day where I can avenge my XOR card

>>57108238
i remember i 80x'ed because the shitcoin updated their logo

>>57108260
especially in late 2017
damn the november and december were crazy

>>57115359
Very similar to me, I bought rubic at 600k mc before the pump, I would have made 900k off rubic had I sold the top. Lost most of it during the bear. Anyway check out RXD faggot.

Where my ARK niggas at

>>57114503
Lol at you for thinking a PhD means anything. It's a total scam; very lucky to have not put any money into mine. STEM PhD with no debt (what I have) is a survivable scam but anything else is even worse than buying HarryΡotterObamaSonicInu or Ρepecoin or whatever the latest thing is.

>>57108238
I was here in 17. Remember when we thought picrel was gonna flip BTC? Those were the good old days.
>now its become the zoomer nft clown world nightmare apocalypse

>>57108263
Fag

Also picrel is still one of the most legendary threads I've seen.
Maybe someone has the full screencap?

>>57108238
yea I'm 40yo
old fag

>>57108238
nothing feels like 2017

>>57116063
Blessed times
>>/biz/thread/3106855

>>57115875
fuck rubic takes me back

>>57112005
for /biz/, yeah. they're the golden generation that got rich off of investing peanuts into this new-fangled crypto.

>>57108256
Spoken like a true old fag

>>57108618
I aped into everything on this list. Lol
Only ETH survived from this bunch In my bag. Can't even consider selling now especially as ETH staking has become juicy on Defi yield aggregators lately.

no its not hence why we buy coins like @mercurialsolana tg in hopes ofeven coming close to the gains of 2017 after our countless blunders ruined us to a life of self loathing

>>57112088
2019 was another time of such rallies. I could spend the whole night switching between charts and not even get sleepy. Lol

>>57115359
>Bitgrail nano rug
I narrowly avoided that, transferred it all off like a week before it collapsed.

i was here in 2017. All the other oldfags are on point; it was an amazing time. I remember buying a few hundred eth at <$10 and just imagining what it would be like if it goes to 100, then seeing it eventually cross 1000 and just not having the slightest clue on whether to sell or keep holding. It was so surreal
Now the value is more "defined". The crypto space feels more normalized and more correctly priced. The spikes up or down of 5 or 10% are just so mundane in comparison. Back in 2017 any drastic move felt like an absolute rollercoaster because no one had any fking clue as to what the real value of this stuff is or how to even price it correctly so any move could have been the start of the next bull run or the ride to $0. Both were absolutely real options.
Now everyone looks at BTC and goes....yea, it's prob worth somewhere around 100k-300k and they all take it as a given that in reality its def not worth $0. Back in 2017 you might as well answered "pineapple" to a question of it's value and even more so something like eth or link. No one had any clue and that made it so incredibly exciting.
Now there are many other valuable coins...eth, avax, link, rose...the obvious marked coins that are going to make it and a lot of the charm of trying to even speculate what they are going to be worth is gone because everyone has a sort of rough estimate on the valuation. Back in 2017 there was no rough estimate....pineapple was an equally good answer. It was the wildest of times, it was the best of times. I will remember and treasure it.

>>57116626
What yield aggregator are you using now? Seems like the yields are almost same across all of 'em

>>57115071
Hehe
You definitely lived these times.

>>57116821
Another Chad spotted!

>>57108326
>I was here when /biz/ was fucking founded nearly a decade ago. It's very different because back then people would actually talk a lot about business.
then you'll know that /biz/ was created as a crypto containment board because DOGE spam was overrunning /g/ back in 2013

>>57108238
No old fags left, just fags, and most of the cum guzzling variety.

>>57116063
>>57116081
kek I am in that thread

>>57116821
I liked the 42 schizo threads even though now I know he was just a mildly delusional second rate freemason
some of his shit was interesting tho

ironically biz got me more into the occult than x ever did because I found out important people in the financial world actually use this shit and it works

I started here in 2016 kinda made it but still in the game

>>57108238
it was way busier in 2017, we dont matter to the market anymore

>>57118133
checked
I know a lot about the occult but I still don't know how to apply it in terms of the market BS

I was in those old /g/ dogecoin threads and someone gave me a bunch of dogecoins for free

I forgot about it until 2021 or so and I found my old wallet and sold it for $2000.

I was strongly considering mining doge back then but my shit computer couldnt handle it.

>>57108238
No, it's a much different. Be very wary.

>>57108238
I was here on 2009.

Haven't bought crypto until 2022.

Fuck my life.

>>57117054
Currently using SpoolFi; the yields didn't influence my choice; it was for other reasons like Defi flexibility, improved security and having all my assets in a single ecosystem.
The yields for their upcoming pools have never been seen in LSDFi. Wait for it. Lol

>>57118133
A day without coming on biz didn't feel complete at the time. New fags will never relate to these reminiscing

>>57108238
Hopefully, I get that 100x with RAIL and INJ then I cana answer these questions.

>2023
>thinking an oldfag is 2017

>started buying since 2016 and browsing since 2017
no, it feels like this is a cope pump based on "mainstream adoption". basically another wave of new and returning longs due to the ftx case being finalized with actual penalty for the scammer. had he gotten away scot-free and had the Fed not pivoted towards rate cuts, it would be a completely bearish into end of year. now that it's clear various govt's don't care to over-regulate crypto, it's pumping. the XRP settlement should have been an early indicator mid-year. if you didn't start buying around that time you missed out. SOL did a 10x from Jan 2023 - now, and you can see it starting to top out.

>>57108585
The LUNA thing was like something out of my nightmares - to just wake up one day and all of your money is gone. I'm glad I didn't put anything into it. The 20% APY on UST seemed unsustainable and too good to be true. I can't say I was really shocked when it collapsed. Sucks for the people who trusted all their wealth with it so they could live off the "risk-free" 20% returns

>>57119764
What upcoming pools are you talking about? Heard it supports just Stables and Eth staking now

>>57108238
2017 felt like shit because they fucked over DeSnake

That's when America really went into the shitter

>>57118048
Worse off are those that collect everything thrown at them like a facial cumshot.

>>57112919
I'd rather wait for Supra TGE.

>>57120443
based.

>>57120226
The fact that UST was an algorithmic stable was the biggest red flag for me.

>>57120246
Yeah, however pools for other volatile assets like GMX, CRV etc will soon be incorporated into the Platform.
For ETH, rumor has it that StakingRewards will create a mega pool for srETH in a short while that'll be significantly better than Lido and other LST issuer APYs

>>57108238
>homophobia
>ageism
You can do better, anon.

>>57112822
>grad school
We already knew you were retarded enough to do this. Funny why would you learn from anyone NOT in an industry?

SOLID V3 Starting the new BULLRUN

even back then people called crypto a scam so nothing has changed except the price
if you think /biz/ was a magical place where everyone made it back then youre wrong
I bet only like 20 people really made it

>>57120921
When is the ETA for this pool? More yields? I'll be there for sure!

>>57108238
The cake is a lie.

2017 was insane but it wasn't "old" times. old times was before Cyprus gave their savings accounts a 10% haircut and BTC shot to $1000.

feels nothing like 2017

>>57121084
This, I was thinking about buying Bitcoin when its price was in the single digits. When I looked deeper into it, I wondered who would us that for payments, that shit is too complicated, also I didn't find a sure way to buy Bitcoin in a fully safe private way. So I saw no reason to buy it. Then it took off and it was already "too expensive" for me to get in. In hindsight, it would be cool if I would've been digging deeper into it back then but I probably would've lost my coins in a stupid way.

>>57121292
this is how I also cope. My other friends who had tons of Bitcoin during this time used it on drugs, lol retards.

>>57121078
Can't say but the srETH product is live on the platform already; just the mega pool waiting to be announced by the StakingRewards team but it shouldn't be long now though.

>>57121292
Just buy now before it gets into millions as value

>>57108238
2017 type gains are never coming back.
I remember turning $2k into 30k without any leverage and without really going deep in the weeds.
You could buy almost anything and a 2x a disappointing.

Since then, all the scams have totally destroyed crypto and retail is pretty much out forever.

>>57108238
it's called the halvening effect

>>57108238
In 2017 I worked at a bank adjacent company and was 1 degree of separation from the CEO, I started evangelizing about crypto and a couple months later it exploded. You're welcome.

>>57121800
>2017 type gains are never coming back.
retard, you could just make the same late 2023 with some tokens shilled here

>>57109543
true, from that point nothing really excites me money-wise. I also started to despise wagecucking 100x because I saw how easy it is to make huge money.

getting bogged since 2016

>>57122067
Difference is buying basically everything in 2017 gave insane gains.

Not him but I bought random projects here like Chainlink for $0.40, ETH for $100 and the Binance coin for $1. Look at their valuation now.

I was only in since june 2017 and by december 2017 I legit 200x my initial investment as some retard. (My initial investment was only $200 but it still ended up with $40,000 by being a retard).

I didn't do research there were no weird tokens. They were all mainstream projects that I bought and held for a couple of months. That is just not possible anymore.

>>57108238
No
The market was different then, mainly there wasn't so much attention paid to cryptoshit like there is now. There was a decent sense of being ahead of the money. I guess you still can feel that way but you're always knowing
>normies aren't blind anymore
>institutions and governments aren't either
>the market is pretty huge and the big boom days are probably done
I mean you'll get solid growth in excess of the benchmark but you can pretty much forget about the gigabags, unless you draw them from the absolute extrema.
In 2017 I was waking up every day to another 20% up, I never imagined it would go as high as it did, I figured $10k was the pie in the sky max price but we just soared through it like it was nothing.
On alts, I never really liked them, everyone made money in the ICO boom but I won't speak much to it because that was always gambling to gain sats in my eyes.
>>57108252
I would mention this though, something you need to monitor, is that everyone thinks btc is too hot early and mid cycle merely because they're not accustomed to numbers going up.
Mostly what you see in tradfi is always [0,100%] but btc will do that 4 or 5 times in this cycle easily. Yeah I remember all the doomers at each step in that staircase. I believe the bearish sentiment now is making the same mistake.

>>57108238
It was magical. Binance had no kyc and you could just print money by buying the red tickers and selling them when green the next day. You could arbitrage across half a dozen kyc free exchanges because the price swings were so dramatic. It lasted about 6 months and then the bottom fell out.

>>57122488
I actually have legit bearish sentiment right now because there is no "Angle" every boom cycle had an angle attached to it. ICO/Dapps in 2017, NFTs and Metaverse in 2021. But what is the 'next big thing' in 2024? There is no narrative and without a new narrative to sell I don't see this going any farther than maybe $75,000 BTC

>>57122621
ETFs I guess? I never put much in the narratives, to me it was always simply halvings and global M2, I see it as inverse fiat but I get what you're saying. I see $150k btc for this cycle.

>>57108238
2017 was mindbreaking. You could grab any alt and easily do a 2x the day after. Imaging buying eth today at $2k and then it reached $20k, a similar thing people felt when that happened to btc in 2017. 2017 was the true alt season, after BTC consolidated at around 15-18k

The 2014 rally was crazier too, but as many said, it was limited to BTC and LTC. The 2021 bullrun was hot garbage in comparison, mostly because BTC did a measly 3x from it's previous ATH, and then the alt season was aborted by institutions using their own research labs as lenders and their own coins as collateral, to borrow more of their coins and inflate the price. Also shit dog tokens took over, shilled by tg pajeets looking to feed their village, so now the whole space is polluted with institutional adoption, manipulation and meme tokens.

>>57122488
> I believe the bearish sentiment now is making the same mistake
The current consolidation phase isn’t over yet and will end when BTC hits $12k-$10k. After that, it will slowly climb to $100k. This year, retards who are absolutely late to the party gave BTC another redundant pump. It‘s okay to start DCAing into Bitcoin now but were certainly not at a local bottom. I wonder if another Blackswan event will make the Satoshi millionaire meme real sooner than expected, but this is wishful thinking.

>>57108585
Yeah they burned a ton of money from the market. We are basically hoping that retarded normies forget the scams and come back to pump billions in crypto again.

>>57123193
>Satoshi millionaire meme
Explain?

>>57123339
I mean that you could at least own a few million sats and boldly assume that in your lifetime one Satoshi will be worth a million dollar. Nevercoiners should take that in consideration, too. The main mistake of somebody who refuses to get into crypto is, you probably already guessed it, is buying no BTC at all, be it for the sake of leaving something behind for their grandchildren.

>>57122621
>There is no narrative
what? are you even in crypto? the huge fucking narrative for the following years is tokenization/institutions coming/etfs

>>57123193
>The current consolidation phase isn’t over yet and will end when BTC hits $12k-$10k
lmao moron

>>57108238
Go buy some $books on sol to educate on what an early entry is.

>>57109022
checked and saved

>>57123600
saved for further reference.