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You summed up many of my own thoughts. All I can really add is that I agree, it fucking baffles me how many smart people went through school and know jack shit. It’s why I decided to drop out of college and actually learn and apply something.

>posting the High Priest Ferdinand-sama on /biz/
What the fuck do you think you're doing?

>>56405171
Knowledge and skill are true wealth. It’s why I want to build my home myself using cash rather than take out a mortgage and be a debt slave.

>>56405171
based approach. What you're describing, what's taking place in schools, isn't a pursuit of knowledge but rather a pursuit of conformance on how to fit in and contribute to society.

whats the point in learning anything when we're a decade away from being able to ask an ai any question on any topic?

>>56405171
I love this

>>56405213
That's the thing I noticed. Learning is optional in college as long as you past the tests. However colleges are a great place to learn, you just have to avoid degree mills and realize that plenty of people with degrees have no underlying expertise.

>>56405221
Bookworm enjoyer.

>>56405250
Not sure how those connect.

>>56405289
Been that way since schools started preparing people to be factory workers, but it's worsening.

>>56405291
You are woefully misinformed about the capabilities of AI. So are most people though.

>>56405291
Your knowledge will then give you the worldview and experience to be able to discern critical information, so you better know what questions to ask your super AI.

Hey I think that's great champ! How about you learnmaxx after sending in a few job applications though!

>>56405171
She's true

>>56405171
yes. every man who made history was a polymath who voraciously consumed new information from every domain. everything relates and the more you know the easier it is to learn anything.

>>56405547
That was in the pre-internet era though

>>56405171
>but they can't take your knowledge and skills
If you don't keep using IT tools you'll grow out of it.

I forgot a lot of my command line skills cuz I stopped IT work for a few years

ITT: americans discover learning

>>56405171
>muh knowledge
Holmes were able to trick men because “future is female” retardedness, and those old men being thirsty retards
Anyone, with rudimentary understanding of biology could have seen the retardedness of Holmes “blood tests” from a mile away
It was as retarded as solar road ways

op is a genius, he just said the age old adage "knowledge is power" in over 200 words!

>>56405659
Some of her major investors were rich women. Venture capital firms are comprised of finance majors trying to pick which new technology could be a winner. Carrying water for the elites by suggesting that they're just old men thirsting for a young woman is carrying water for the scientifically illiterate.

>>56405686
the women invested becaus of yass queen slay

>>56405171
want to scam low intellect cashiers?
>your total today is $11.25
>pay with $20
>oh i need some change can you give a $5 bill 4 $1s and 3 quarters. thank you!
just made $1 on your purchase
thank me later

>>56405695
>infamously greedy boomers got scammed because yaaas queen slay
I get it. The reality that the rich and powerful are actually poorly educated is a scary one to face.

>>56405171
This reminds me of that faggot with the ponytail in good will hunting. He was essentially right. Being knowledgeable doesnt actually pay off after a certain extent. It's better to have limited knowledge and have markers of prestige (like a good degree) and connections. Obsessing about learning and being smart will just end up making you a higher paid wagie, but in the end you will still be exploited. The really free and powerful people are not that smart or knowledgeable, they play the game.

>>56405725
That will work... until suddenly it doesn't. We're at the part where you can see it starting to backfire occasionally, with some frequency.

>>56405712
$1 isn’t shit lol

>>56405569
don't be stupid

>>56405330
You keeping up with the light novels? The english translation is caught up to the start of the endgame of the story where everything pops off.

>>56405725
>they play the game
which takes smarts and breadth of knowledge in order to relate to the most people. the game isn't one dimensional or easy ya dingus

>A lot of cashiers have trouble making change
ok rate my business plan:
go to several stores and make purchases in cash
if the cashier gives you extra money when making change, you pocket it
if the cashier gives you incorrect change on the other side, obviously correct her
then return the item later for either no net difference or profit from dumb wagies mistake

its not about learning everything, its about laser focus on one thing to be the best at it.

>>56405712
>just made $1 on your purchase
Poorfag tricks and you'll stay a poorfag

>>56405171
Your conclusion
>in the land of the ignorant the person who can read, do math, and is fluent in science is king
is wrong
What you've actually noticed is just the fact that there is little correlation between intelligence and wealth. There is some correlation but it's pretty weak.
Elizabeth Holmes got to where she is because she was a sociopath. The majority of fortune 500 CEOs also have some degree of sociopathy/psychopathy.

>>56405756
>>56406294
Seething retail floor managers detected.

>>56406389
We are moving into a new cycle. You've missed the point.

>>56406809
A new cycle of what? Your argument in the OP is a non sequitur. Just because you've seen dumb people in all echelons of society doesnt mean that being I intelligent will get you to the top.

>>56405291
>Wow! The AI once again said white people did everything wrong and the answer is diversity!

>>56405569
have used the internet recently?
SHIT is fucking garbage, I would have agreed if we where in 2012. I have started to keep notes, becuase internet has turned into a vessel for ads, nothing more.
People who truley understand and apply their knowledge are fucking rare. 1 in a 100 maybe.
Credential inflations have a lead to of stupid arrogant people who in the past would have just kept their mouth fuckign shut.
I have had a literal "ELECTRICAL ENGINEER" graduate that didn't understand the very high level 1000ft view of the physics behind a simple mechanical device. That is how bad education is nowadays. People are just test taking monkeys addicted to onions media.

>>56406931
You fundamentally misunderstand. The economic machine built on credentialism and knowing just enough to get by will eventually break down. At the point where it breaks you have as much leverage as your knowledge gets you.

>>56407179
I've encountered engineers like this. At least everybody knows that business majors etc are a credential factory.

>>56405171
>MFW the only ones left carrying the torch of civilization post-collapse were a bunch of NEETs, weebs, and weirdo shut-in degenerates.

It’s like poetry, it rhymes…

>>56405171
on the second read of your post I'm wondering if the recent chatgpt changes a lot. most of the examples you gave were pre-chatgpt
>>56405645
kek

>>56408267
Chatgpt has no effect on this process. I have a whole other set of thoughts on AI, but that's for another thread.

>>56408287
I think the example you could have used that is more convincing is the covid effect on education and perhaps even people's iq levels. College students unable to do algebra, high schoolers reading at a elementary school level, and so on

>>56408308
Oh yeah, over the next decade we're going to see the damage wrought on education by covid, no doubt.

>>56405171
I agree with you, doubly so in the context of Google burning the library of Alexandria, LLMs polluting the internet with absolute garbage, and the dead internet
Maybe the great filter is the information age getting polluted with false info, all in an effort to make us more efficient

>>56405171

Indeed there's been a progressive push towards stupidification, god knows since when. You can see it in completely polarized discourses where nuances are a thing of the past, of technical presentations being filled with shitty memes, with "managers" being more and more political and focused on turning people into assembly line workers that can be easily exchanged, etc etc.

Unfortunately for me, I'm autistic and I tend to seek the truth in general and avoid bullshitting as much as possible (which directly and indirectly has made life difficult for me)... I'm starting to think to become a bullshitter in a business setting (for the sake of survival) as I can't fight the status quo by myself.

>>56405171
t. child retard zoomerfag

>>56405569
yeah because basically no one "made history" in the present, dingus

>>56405171
I’m in agreement with you but since I think it’s important, riddle me this: why shouldn’t I just rely on AI to do all of the thinking for me?
The reason why cashiers can’t do math is because we have calculators, simple as. Who is using such an outdated point of sale system that doesn’t literally do the math for you, I have no idea. That shit’s built in unless you haven’t updated your PoS in 10 years.
Who’s going to be more valuable in the end, a person who tries to learn how to do everything, or someone who retrieves whatever data they need from an AI? Someone who manually makes their own spreadsheets or someone who just uses a computer for data entry?
Using crypto as an example, why should I do my own research when I could ask any of these chatbots to give me a research report on the crypto I’m investigating? Why should I do my own trades when I can automate it with an AI that has infinitely more data than I could have on trends and patterns to trade off of?
When your dad has a heart attack and you don’t know what to do, you’re fucked and no amount of AI literacy will help you, so having basic first aid knowledge sounds like a great idea, but it’s not profitable. You’ll make more money in tips working at a restaurant than a paramedic will.
So if I’m learnmaxxing so I can be rich, how will that make me more rich than just using AI to do everything?

>>56411211
brainlet take

>>56405824
i dont know i feel like einstein was a lot more knowledgeable than brezhnev...

>>56405171
Educated people overestimate their knowledge of topics they are not educated in

>>56405171
You just decided to start learning? You want to learn from the curriculum NOW? BEFORE it gets worse? Sounds like the fluoride already got to you, friend. It's already over. Didn't you realise that?

Also the Elizabeth Holmes thing was not a scam how you imagine. Those kind of investors don't just get fleeced like that and take it. They did real research, just not what they're telling you. Look at the timing of it. Think.

The worst part of all of this is that competency isn’t seen as something to reward, it’s seen as something to bilk. If you show any sort of competency in your job, your boss considers it a nice bonus for himself.

>>56409038
It might in fact be our great filter. If we can rally together the knowledge to overcome laziness, ignorance, and apathy or if we sink into decline.

>>56410718
The assembly line part has been ongoing since... factory work and the retooling of American life around it. That in itself was a continuation of something that Adam Smith talked about in "The Wealth of Nations", which was the deskilling of the labor force.

>>56411211
>The reason why cashiers can’t do math is because we have calculators, simple as. Who is using such an outdated point of sale system that doesn’t literally do the math for you, I have no idea. That shit’s built in unless you haven’t updated your PoS in 10 years.
I'm actually old enough to answer this. You're wrong. Automatic cash registers that counted your change were a response to cashiers who couldn't count change. People who can't add and subtract quickly or accurately weren't caused by registers having built in calculators or automatic change dispensers, the automatic change dispensers came about because of those cashiers.
>why shouldn’t I just rely on AI to do all of the thinking for me?
False dichotomy. An "AI" (most things called that are not true AI) is a tool, and a tool is only as useful as you have uses for it.

>>56412251
Sometimes they are, but part of that might be that outside of their narrow specialty they have just enough general knowledge to trigger Dunning-Kruger.

>>56412797
Explain your conspiratorial innuendo.

>>56412905
Right. It's an economy of leeches, and refusing to allow others to leech off of your competency is obviously a component of this.

>>56405171
>Learn everything you can before all of the curriculum is replaced by hogwash from Turning Point USA and Prager U.
Holy shit you're retarded.

>>56405171
>>56405213
>>56405250
>>56405289
What is your networth? you are so smart right?
LUCK and violence are all that matters,

>>56414518
Careful with that edge.

>>56405171
My NIGGER! I've been quietly accumulating this low cap gem for decades now. Been telling people for years that the value of knowledge is at all time low and now is the time to secure a make it stack. My personal library is extensive and spans dozens of disciplines. A recent interest has been good hardcover, old copies of primary sources from antiquity. My math and science shelves are top notch. I have sheet music and theory galore. All manner of home skills from building, plumbing, wiring, cooking, sewing, gardening. Everything. I am a knowledge whale.

>>56414051
OP is rarted