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>>55824728
>wind: kills birds, "not in my backyard" syndrome, intermittently available

>solar: still expensive, intermittently available, expensive storage

>nuclear: expensive, risk of disaster

german here. let me tell you a story about wind and solar. in 2000 germany has started to pump a lot of subsidues into wind and solar and roughly 25 years later we can cover 5% of our primary energy with wind and solar. primary energy includes electricity, gas, fuel, etc.
we only need another 475 years with the same amount of subsidues to reach 100% of current energy demand.

its batshit crazy, flatearth like crazy

>>55824752
Wind doesn't kill birds that's just Christian science.

Wind and solar are already directly cheaper than fossil fuels in addition you have a reduced social cost because you have less people getting sick and by using them you're reducing the demand of fossil fuels which drives down the cost of fossil fuel fired power plants.

>>55824728
https://youtu.be/QzTgZ6kOEM8
This video is more than you did in your OP, so kys.
Nuclear energy is going to be the future of power production, and there is nothing you saudi niggers can do about it.
t. Uranium fever chad

>>55824800
Wind provides a little over 1/4th of Germany's electricity right now, half of German electricity is provided by Renewables

>>55824829
Countries who invested heavily in nuclear are pulling out of it, France would need to build 60 new nuclear reactors in the next 10 years to maintain their current level of nuclear energy production, they have 3 planned for the next 10 years.

Their biggest increase in energy production has been importing energy from Germany and Italy

>>55824834
did you even read it? i know that but if you want to get rid of burning things you also have to create the energy of i.e. fuel via renewables

>>55824845
I see now, a German using faulty logic.

We should have also assumed that diesel fuel would have taken 2,000 years to replace coal as the primary fuel for ships and trains since it took 20 years after the Diesel Engine was invented for a Diesel train car to be put to use.

>>55824752
>intermittently available, expensive storage
No longer true. Cheeck out the noor.

>>55824834
>he's been conned by the fake German government numbers they shill to the rest of the world
just lmao. even if solar and wind were as good as the fake numbers are saying they still can't provide baseload or surge capacity and there is no sufficiently good storage solution that isn't insanely expensive to build and maintain.
I bet you think its a coincidence that Germany had an economic crisis and recession the second Russia cut off its cheap gas. and aren't aware of the Germans restoring coal plants and burning the filthiest shittiest coal they can find.

>can't provide baseload or surge capacity and there is no sufficiently good storage solution
You're all retarded, i'm out.

>>55824812
>Wind doesn't kill birds
see what you say in 10 years when their are no owls or raptors

>>55825088
Electricity is more expensive everywhere because Fossil Fuels made up a part of everyone's power grid.

In France (mostly nuclear) and Poland (Mostly Fossil Fuels) they're also paying more for electricity than Germany is.

>>55825170
Raptors are dying off because of habitat loss to farmland and poaching by farmers. Wind Turbines don't even factor into it.

>>55825211
>In France (mostly nuclear) and Poland (Mostly Fossil Fuels) they're also paying more for electricity than Germany is.

uh, no?

Why not use atmospheric electricity?

>>55825351
The French stated owned energy company EDF runs a deficit of 20 Billion Euros annually that is paid for with public funding.

In effect the government has convinced their idiot citizenry that they're paying less for electricity by having them pay part of it as taxes, Those riots about pensions were in part caused by this because France was defunding its pension program to make more money available for the EDF.

op here on my mobile, I only pretended to be retarded

>>55825394
If you find a way to make it work someone will.

>>55824728
They all have their place, but nuclearfags are incorrigible and you have to fight them every step of the way to end up with a reasonable portion of the grid covered by it. If they had their way, we'd be 100% nuclear in 30 years and 100% extinct in 60.

>>55824728
Most of energy demand comes from manufacturers and commercial infrastructure, not individual households. Every narrative about renewable energy and in fact every other natural resource is retarded, since the true source of the problem is an abundance of unnecessary shit. Why do we have 40+ car models? Why 30 options of toothpaste? Why change clothesline every month? That's awfully expensive and wasteful. Corporations and institutions -as usual- want to place the blame on the little guy, when they're the ones causing the problem. If Nestlé disappeared overnight, nobody would suffer and there would be a significant raise in the supply of water.

>>55825401
>The French stated owned energy company EDF runs a deficit of 20 Billion Euros annually that is paid for with public funding.
It s because the fucking European Union obligated EDF to sell their energy to other companies at low cost because muhh monopoly.

I hate the european union and i hate the anthicrist
T.living in France

>>55825632
Is Saudi Arabia 70% of the energy is used on A/C for their population that doesn’t work

>>55825632

lol and? The extinction of fags like you would be a good thing. Not sure what the fucking downside is here. Fucking normie.

>>55825469
I'm just talking about the economic problems with nuclear power but there is also the fact that any non-western nation is going to either going to make a nuclear weapon and kill a bunch of people or they're going to have a nuclear accident of epic proportions.

>>55825636
No, it's actually cheaper for the EDF to import electricity from Germany and Italy and resell it to French customers because the electricity in those countries is cheaper

>>55825676
Exactly my point. That just dates from a century back. Before AC they also lived there and did well. AC is not necessary.
>>55825703
>REEE I AM ONLY WHAT I COMSOOOM!!!
I don't even take insult. You're just a mindless drone doing what you've been programmed to do.

>>55825766
I’m sorta with you. But oh no way more people are now living in way more places there that would otherwise be inhabitable. The other 30% of their energy goes almost entirely to desalination plants too to also help people live where they shouldn’t. I imagine once they can’t sell their oil they will continue to use it for hundreds of years because they won’t be able to avoid the worst humanitarian crises in all of human history otherwise.

>>55825786
uninhabitable*

>>55825632
Uh yeah that’s communism. They don’t give a shit if a frozen fish is blue brand or red, because the brands don’t exist to differentiate product, they differentiate to pretend they are different. there is just one food product with a different name on it. There isn’t cherios and froot loops to choose from - they are the same thing. As it should have always been.

>>55825786
Saudi Arabia can produce solar energy cheaper than crude oil so they will either collapse or have to transition to an advanced economy.

>>55825797
Brands help create responsibility. During the Soviet Union’s early years they tried to get rid of brands because they considered it not communist. So all the rivets or chickens or whatever would all just end up in a pile without any accountability, so factories started just cranking out as many low quality products as they could. They eventually switched to using brands and such.

>>55825810
One or the other. We’ll see. I can’t wait to see that line city get built and watch YouTubers talk about it. Regardless of how it goes.

>>55825704
Even western countries struggle to keep it together, and no one knows what to do with waste. Basically a handful of plants based on fission need to be kept around worldwide to keep the tech/expertise alive and to serve as emergency power for resources that are "vital" commensurate with the cost and danger of operating such plants. Designing them as the backbone of your system in the 21st century is reckless.

all it took for me was to watch a how its made documentary on a solar panel factory. its a heavy industry to make them it requires huge amounts of power before the stuff even generates anything. its totally inefficient. nuclear seems good but no one has found a responsible way to deal with the waste..

>>55825721
>No, it's actually cheaper for the EDF to import electricity from Germany and Italy and resell it to French customers because the electricity in those countries is cheaper
Do you know that nuclear energy is the cheapest energy source right?

I will not answer (You) anymore

>>55825786
There are ways to design buildings that don't require AC or that can use AC that doesn't require energy. Equatorial countries need to stop using tech designed for use in temperate regions. We need to stop selling it to them. Global prosperity is possible but it won't look the same everywhere.

>>55825843
*traditional energy sources/electricity.

>>55825836
Nuclear energy costs like 10 times as much as renewables.

French people are just retarded though.

>>55825797
>that's communism
So mankind was communist for millennia
>>55825786
I'm not for people dying, but I'm against people rampantly reproducing and colonizing the Earth. There's got to be a balance and since there's no natural predators that keep us in line, we need to self-regulate. Wars and epidemics used to be the methods but we're now reaching new levels of awareness that can open more subtle doors towards harmonious living. You're gonna laugh and think I'm trolling, but many African tribes are the most forward-thinking in this regard.

>>55825833
All power sources take about a year to start producing electricity, even with the astronomical output of nuclear power plants. There is no free lunch.

>>55825856
Unironically stone age farmers had better agricultural practices than modern farmers do.

>>55824728
What a complete wrong take.

Faggot.

>>55824834
Retard.

>>55825856
I’m not I’ve honestly thought about before that yeah, maybe it would have taken Africans like 10,000 more years to industrialize, but they would have evolved morally over time in step with their progress. Damn white man.

The electric grid should utilize all methods of power generation available to us. The strengths can offset the weaknesses, and we won't be overly/completely dependent upon certain methods.
But really this conversation is about capturing and monopolizing power generation through government oversight, so it consists of nothing but absolutes.

>>55825909
This anon city: skyliness

>>55824728
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>>55825864
nuclear takes huge amounts of concrete etc but yes the output is astronomical, solar and wind do not have astronomical output.. they are part of a big deception.

>>55825932
Solar panels produce surplus electricity within a year of operation and wind turbines within 4 months, Solar Panels have 35 years of operation and Wind Turbines 20 years on average.

The big deception is the production of Ethanol, which consumes more fuel than it creates.

>>55825932
The problem is that the general state of safety for nuclear plants in America is very low. The plants have been treated as infrastructure, and infrastructure is aging. The Handford plant in WA state has been leaking waste from cask pits for dozens of years, now.

The risk of meltdown is statistically rather high. It is a problem which will exacerbate more, over time, too. Humans can build nuclear power plants, but is society in the right place to do so, and maintain them properly, for the long, long term, now?

This is a good article on the matter. I read it when it first came out and it is still relevant, now:
https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/2019-09/nrc-2010-full-report.pdf

>>55826033
the only problem is that its completely profit driven. once the energy is generated from nuclear, the waste material doesnt create any further value from being processed so it gets left to decay. it would work fine if the world wasnt controlled by evil greedy assholes

>>55824812
No they are not cheaper, and nuclear provides the most kwh/death than any of these.

>>55825048
Wtf is that? Your solar company? There’s a million solar things called noor and none of them look like a magical portable panel.

Solar and wind is so cheap but fuck me if my electric bill isn't raping me up the arse ever since austfailure started making the switch.

>>55824728
you have to add some nuance to the braindead tardpilled take otherwise people can tell its bait

What should I buy to get some exposure to this market?

>>55824728
Your spice is bland

>>55824728
>this literal retard when its not windy or night time

>>55824728
What is this retarded samefagging shillery? Nukes are great, solar and especially wind are retarded scams.

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>>55824728
I dont know who needs this explained but solar power IS nuclear power

>>55824752
>>nuclear: expensive, risk of disaster

Newer reactors can be made safe. Its only the older designs that are risky.

>>55826964
If you can't do a bare minimum search then you don't know what you're talking about anyway and will believe what you want to believe according to your peconceptions and those of the group you wish to identify as being part of.
>tl;dr you're a tribalistic halfwit and you don't know anything about energay.

>Nuclear Power is a scam
Nuclear power proved to work since 1950s.
>Wind and Solar do the same shit but they're cheaper and scale better.
then why Germans are moving to coal instead of relying on their wind and solar farms? You can't answer that because you never lived in Europe. There is no such thing as "sun" in Europe, and the nearest solar-suitable patch of land is inhabited by sandniggers who will gladly firebomb any facility more conspicuous than an outhouse. You niggers just don't understand reality, do you?

>>55824812
Not only does wind kill birds, it's also environmentally unfriendly; there isn't a single part of your gay little wind turbines that are recyclable.