/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55788859
Another schizo spam thread.
Change the way you fucking type you god damn schizophrenic.

>>55788859
It's s sad day when someone can't sell an addictive product, let me tell you that much.
People order their vapes and vape-paraphernalia online too nowadays.

>>55788859
Diversify your offerings

Immoral business kys OP

>>55788859
I'll answer you if you prove you aren't a 1post fag

>>55788866
alright it was time to install a spellchecking software anyways

>>55788869
yeah, but so is anyone else. you can get tobacco pretty much anywhere, even in a hospital

>>55788893
i literally don't care

>>55788917
i was busy selling cancer sticks to the boomers.
i was thinking of a flyering campain, but people actually complain by phone if you put one in their mailbox that had a "no advertising" sticker on it.

>>55789037
people will complain anyway, people will find a way to complain, because they can complain. you know how much shit people have to put up with where they can't complain? finally you give them something they can complain about, so they will complain. Let them complain and simply go about your business, even better ''accidently'' drop another flyer in their box and say you don't know how it got there.

tldr;
they complain because they can and you shouldn't feel bad about it.
anyway you have a dying business, I suggest you sell whatever you have left online and find something else.

>tobacco shop
>marketing
Just sell shit people want to buy lmao

But where do you live?
I have seen snus become really popular here ,use to be impossible to find, now its everywhere

>>55788859
idk anon, I'd make sure your store is accurately represented on Google maps or some shit
I'm fairly young for tobacco consumers (28) but I never buy normal cigarettes cause they're awful. I prefer tobacco in literally any other form. Pipe, cigar, cigarillo, snuff, snus, nicotine products etc so like this anon says >>55788872 try diversifying and make sure the storefront is good and accurate I guess. Sorry bro, never owned a business so I can't give any good advice.
Tobacco is being taxed and jewed into nonexistence, it's not the best business to be in I reckon.

>>55788866
What a fucking cry baby.

>>55789058
i think you're right. i didn't want to fuck up our relations with the neighborhood, but if they aren't shopping here,then there is nothing to ruin anyways

>>55789078
i am from central europe in the DACH region

>>55789080
we are not represented on google maps, i think thats a good start. but we do have every kind of tobacco product you mentioned. the problem is much more communicating the offer to the neighborhood. we also sell single malt whiskey's and all kinds of accesories for tobacco products (pipes, cigar cutter, cigarette cases)
>Tobacco is being taxed and jewed into nonexistence, it's not the best business to be in I reckon.
it depends. we have a very loyal (boomer) customer base that have been coming for 50+ years. if you have a signigicant market share in your neighborhood, its easy money. the truble is replacing the old ones with new customers, because the product i am selling them literally kills them.

>>55789037
As others mentioned you diversify into tangentially related products, vapes, bongs, any drug you inhale. Can diversify more by combining it into a convenience store like 7/11, sell lottery tickets, drinks, snacks, etc.
Try to get things that people can't easily get elsewhere. Things like vanilla coke, I literally can't find it anywhere except 1 convenience store near me that imports it and overcharges but I'm not going to order it online. Same with Icees, I'd have to drive 20 minutes to get one on the other side of town, they're hard to get near me.
Branding is important, you want a recognizable name/logo/colors that you use everywhere for everything.
You also establish an online presence, a website, all the info on google maps, phone number/store hours, let people order online, you do not want to be exclusively available to your local area, but having a local presence will give you an advantage.
If you can let people order via ubereats/doordash/etc. Offer discounts, promotions if they buy in bulk, etc.
Participate in local events, wear a shirt that promotes your business, it's free marketing. Find existing communities/influencers that are open to marketing tobacco and try to do promotions with them. You don't have to restrict yourself to just tobacco though, you can sell anything, or even make your own products, or sell smaller businesses products, or let someone pay you to put a vending machine in your business.
Imagine someone new trying to start a business, you're already 10 steps ahead of them by having a store/product/customers, so you just have to worry about trying to grow it. There's so many things you can do, try to get creative, get it online and find ways to get attention. Attention is the name of the game.
Good luck.

>>55788866
is OP the cystic fibrosis schizo?

>>55788859
Facebook and Instagram? Possibly tiktok and do some zoomer dance holding boxes of cigarettes kek.

>>55789201
good post

>>55789200
Im a young lad in CH, so for what its worth, I switched from rolling tobacco to snus like 5-6 years ago
Also when I use to roll, I would sometimes make the effort to buy more expensive tobacco from a specialized shop that made their own blends

>>55789484
Also, my zoomer cousin and all of his friends use disposable vapes

>>55789201
>diversify
this was mentioned a couple of times;
i thought i could maybe sell the coffe from local roastaries since there are none close by.
>Participate in local events, wear a shirt that promotes your business, it's free marketing.
this is very helpful thank you anon. it never occured to me to participate because of the normies, but it makes total sense since the customerbase i want to reach are physically attending the event.

>>55789244
>>55788866
if two dubs calling me a shizo sound convincing, does that mean it's true?

>>55789484
well thats very interesting, i am also from CH and i have never seen such a shop. are these blends in open containers and sold by gram? or how does it work? do they buy the tobacco directly from farmers? might be a good idea :)
>>55789502
yes we sell them too, the issue is there is a shop nearby that has captured the young, beacuase his store has a more modern interior, but he is struggling otherwise, maybe in the future the zoomies will come to me

>>55789417
i think i have to pass

>>55788859

Your family business has undoubtedly given many people cancer.

How about shutting it down and turning it into a wellness / health store + yoga studio?

>>55789681
>Your family business has undoubtedly given many people cancer.
so has your post. how about you "going back" and "never returning"
jk, i don't think your serious, and i also don't see the future of this business as dark as many anons suggest. as long as there are teens out there who are trying to piss of their parents and rebel against the world, there will be new smokers. also cigars are gaining in popularity. we have much better margins on those than on cigarettes.

>>55789681
here's the thing tripnigger
I WILL keep smoking
I WILL NOT wear sunscreen
I probably WILL get cancer eventually
And I WILL be happy

>>55789058
i was once attacked by a mad chav on a housing estate in bristol for putting a leaflet for my gardening business through his letterbox. i've never seen somebody so angry and murderous, he chased me down the road until i got in my can and locked the doors. even then he was jumping up and down shouting and screaming red in the face and banging my door until i drove away.

>>55789793
can? i mean van

>>55789681
>>55789768
>>Your family business has undoubtedly given many people cancer.
>so has your post.

I kek'd

i would recommend finding ways to make it a very beginner friendly experience - i enjoy cigars and going to cigar bars, but 95% of the time when i invite someone new they are very intimidated by the experience - it can seem very difficult to approach to a novice.

also think there is an underserved market for pipes and pipe tobacco - a lot of people love having one once they are properly exposed

gl anon

>>55789768
>i don't think your serious

I am.

>>55789792
>And I WILL be happy

You won't be when you finally meet the girl of your dreams and she actually likes you and wants to be with you and then the following week you find out you have cancer won't be able to have a life with her.

>>55788859
Honestly if you keep your store clean and start selling vapes you'll be fine. Every tobacco shop around me has no problem staying in business.

>>55789856
the spacing, the unnecessary contrarianism, the extreme and absurd hypotheticals.
why don't you go ahead and put a "can't even" on the end of your next post, and we call it a day?

>>55789658
>these blends in open containers and sold by gram
Havnt bought any in a while, but they sell them in plastic zip bags of 35-40g for like 10-11 chf
>do they buy the tobacco directly from farmers
No idea, tried asking a couple of questions once but they didnt want to answer lmao
But these blends are genuinely tasty, and they look weird in their plastic bags so people ask where you bought it
Also what kind of cigars do you recommend for people that have never smoked one?

>>55789793
Some lad got really angry with me for dropping a flyer, told me to get of his property.
I said I can flyer since he doesn't have the stickers.
He got angry and threatened to call the cops and that I should get of his land.
I told him that if it's his land, then why does he have to register it with the government and pay tax on it, you have a lease, you don't own anything, if you don't name a successor to pay the lease then it goes back to being government property.
Dude got whitehead hot cussing and screaming, I then proceeded to take my leave.

>>55789768

What would you rather deal with on a daily basis?

A bunch of unattractive boomer men coming into your shop, hacking and coughing in between giving you their hot takes on politics and what's wrong with the world, and how things were in their day, when you didn't even ask?

Or a bunch of women in leggings who want to get sweaty doing yoga and working out?

>>55788859
Very interesting posts so far. What I don't seem to get: What's your goal? Do you want to run the store until you're 80? Do you want it run it until you're done studying? Do you want to sell it? Do you want to scale it to more stores?

you will get back at you with vengeance the pain and suffering you cause people. you are pretty much a murderer. you wait karma will bite hard and u will be left helpless and beaten

>>55789658
>>>55789417
>i think i have to pass
You fucking RETARD

>>55789830
definitely this, normies don't know shit about cigars
>wdym I'm not supposed to inhale??
some basic qrd booklets can save newbies a lot of trouble

>>55789681
Nicotine is the lifeblood of America, it's literally part of why and how this country was founded and how it ascended to its strength. Nicotine is to the USA, what tea was the British Empire. You think those poor retards working in mines and on construction sites were getting their energy from porridge and milk? That was nicotine that gave them the energy to do it, and it's nicotine that continues to do it to this very day.

>>55790204
So why does everyone want to spread the idea that smoking causes cancer

>>55789830
>also think there is an underserved market for pipes and pipe tobacco - a lot of people love having one once they are properly exposed
how does one introduce someone else properly to pipe tobacco? i would think that would include giving them a prepared pipe to try on the spot or at home later? thats kind of hard, when the pipes themselve cost alot.

>>55789961
>But these blends are genuinely tasty, and they look weird in their plastic bags so people ask where you bought it
that does sound convincing. also tobacco smokers are much more likely to change the tobacco brand than cigarette smokers. i'd have to figure out were to get the tobacco, but i think that sounds like a great method to increase margins. people usually buy a pack of tobacco once a week, and spending 3 or 4 bucks more on a weekly basis is something that most people can afford. thank you i think that coul'd actually work

>Also what kind of cigars do you recommend for people that have never smoked one?
i would go for a "Joya de Nicaragua" (picrel)
they are very good from a "Bang for the buck" point of view. if you prefer something more mild you could try "Camacho Conetticut" thats the orange camacho. Conneticut in this case has nothing to do with the state, but is the name of the wrapper leave.
dont be afraid to try stronger cigars just because you are a beginner, you might like them. i started with cubans because i had access to them, turns out i like strong cigars.
my picks for strong cigars are "Joya de Nicaragua Antono CT" and "Partagas D4" in robusto format, or "Montechristo P2" or "Partagas P2" if you can afford them.

>>55788859
Sell vape and weed paraphernalia shit like the Pakistanis dumb ass

>>55790216
Because hypochondriac Jews are afraid of cigarettes and smoking and if they can’t do it then nobody can

>>55790216
Cuz they're panzy ass libtards

>>55789201
This is what dedication looks like

>>55789873
Lol this. Hasn’t stopped all of the immigrant scum dotheads from opening their eye sore vape shops all over my town

>>55788859
>Tobacco shop.
What county? In the US, most actual tobacco shops are gone. Cigar stores do ok if you market to middle class Blacks. They think smoking a cigar in a suit is an upscale thing to do.

Other than that, I look forward to total boomer death. Can you become a cannabis store? Those do a bit better depending on the location.

>>55788859
Sell the life style instead of the product, like the "Candyman" in Australia where you cannot market smokes directly

>>55790271
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Shut the fuck up you teen

Libtards don't know that George Washington was a tobacco farmer. Nicotine built the USA. When that orange fat faggot raised the age to buy nicotine products to 21 I wanted to kill his dumb ass. We will never compete with China unless everyone starts chugging G-fuel and vaping.

>>55789037
>>55789201
Tobacco advertising is illegal, but you both knew this, so it's not for your benefit. Just to let everyone else know this thread is bs

>>55789200
You may want to apply for your Google Business account. It's practically impossible to do business in the US without one. It sounds like you have a high end boutique. You may want to leverage social media for hipster types who go for that sort of thing.

>tobacco shop
>most customers are soon to die boomers
noshit.jpg
Most of those 'vape shops' are fulfilling the same purpose as shisha bars etc. May as well just call them Drugwash.

>>55790041
i want to grow the business to a point where we can have employees working most of the hours we are open. i also would like to open more locations in rural regions since i figured out, that most of our customers come to us since they dont want to drive to deep into the innercity since it became very car unfriendly
.
my goal is to generate enough profits through this store for my parents to retire comfortably without the need of a family member in the store. thats why i have to transform the business into a more corporate structure, to make a proof of concept to be able to expand later. the part i am struggling the most is marketing.

>>55790329
>the part i am struggling the most is marketing.
yes, because marketing tobacco, or the sale of, is completely banned in most civilised countries. Something to do with killing people, or something.

>>55790336
If it’s completely banned, why does every pajeet gas station have 17 cigarette and vape ads all over their windows?

>>55790336
>Something to do with killing people, or something.
I can imagine you smugly twirling your neckbeard and fedora while writing this you faggot redditor

>>55790329
You don’t need to market you tryhard. Just sell vape shit, water pipes, and delta 8. That’s literally all you have to do. You have autism

>>55790352
>pajeet gas station
I said civilised countries
You can advertise vapes, cigarettes, fuckno
>>55790369
>redditor blabla
was a smoker for years, dont recommend
but you kill you, i dgaf.

>>55790279
I know exactly what I am talking about. I am local business owner in college town. We have two tobacco stores, about 5 vape shops, and a legal cannabis dispensary in the area. The vape shops illegally sell THC vapes labeled as CBD. One vape shop sells straight up buds. So far, the state won't take any action.

>>55790405
Why do I get the feeling that “Civilized country” is Reddit speak for the United Kingdom and Canada? Because that’s usually what you sperglords mean.

You are gay. Possibly even transgendered. Fuck off and go play Dungeons and Dragons with your marvel friends you Reddit nerd homo.

>>55790418
>I am local business owner
Yeah we all believe you.

>>55790420
Are you suggesting the US is civilised?

>>55790329
>>55790227
This is why white people suck at retail. That paki shop will have the whole family working in there 24hrs a day living off 25lb bags of rice. Normal white people want to work 9-5, get an hour and half lunch, and drive a luxury auto. Just sell the shop to a paki and get a job wageing. Ngmi in business.

>>55788859
smoke kills
shame on you

>>55790425
Tell me about your business.

>>55790446
Lol doesn’t even deny it. And yes, the United States is the most civilized country on earth. Canada is a barbaric country that euthanizes people when they run out of shelter and the United Kingdom is an inbred Islamist backwater. The fact that they oppress smoker alphas also proves that they are backwards third world dystopias. Now go jerk off to the superior policies of Canadians on reddit, you’ll be in good company

>>55790460
anons still trying to work out IDs

>>55790449
That Paki is also over leveraged whereas OP inherited an old likely paid off low overhead business from his parents. Do you think the Pakistani came to America with a few million to invest or did he go to a bank?

>>55790474
>It’s a Redditor thinks he’s clever because he switches between his mobile plan and his moms wifi connection episode

>>55790469
The very fact you're fiercely loyal to an online forum says a lot about you. I wish you could step outside of yourself and see how immature and naive that seems to people with a developed world view. On an upnote, your little website is lovely, and i hope you're having a really nice time here.

>>55790521
>redditcel crying about gatekeeping episode
Yawn, another rerun. *changes channel*

>>55790530
answer the man >>55790460 you cretinous fucking womble
Im getting interested as to how in fuck you survive through a week, not unless someone comes round and waters you regular

>>55790530
kek, triggered.
You'd be lost without Reddit, wouldn't you?

>>55790543
>cretinous fucking womble
More Reddit tier vernacular. You just can’t help yourself.

>>55790329
You've gotten some great advice in this thread. To directly address your marketing question, there are two components of marketing. 1 is the "what" you are marketing. To be more in depth, it isnt the product. It's how you portray the product, or your business. You are not in a business of "needs". You're in the business of "wants". Customer choice will therefore be more of an emotional decision than a logical one. Due to the fact you have a loyal base of older people, but few younger people, you already have a target demographic. Guaranteed there are youth who are using tobacco who aren't patrons of your store. That is your target demographic, and you must decide how to portray your business in advertisements in a way that doesnt also alienate your current user base. You arent trying to convince the youth to smoke. But, if you already are, well then your store is the place to shop. Find a way to appeal to that.

#2 is actual execution of marketing. This is the how. Given your target demographic, you should be focusing on technology related advertisements. Google, social media, geofencing, etc. This is an area where it is worth finding a good marketing consultant, or someone that knows how to advertise effectively. Possibly look for a business that isn't in direct competiton with you and has a great advertising program going. Ask for information/contacts. Dig around. Get a simple, clean website together. Obviously there's more but that's a good place to get started.

>>55790550
>kek, triggered.
Nice decade old chanspeak. You’re trying too hard to fit in. You haven’t even lurked long enough to update your lingo

>>55788859
Pivot to selling ice cream. People love ice cream. I would never in a million years smoke a vape but when I walk by the ice cream parlor I can't stop myself.

>>55788893
>>55789856
>>55790075
you act like a know it all, but i have customers 90+ years old that come to buy their cigarettes for over 50 years in this shop. if you cant control your consooom thats on you, i dont drag anyone in to this shop, they all come voluntarily. yeah if you are genetically predisposed to cancer, personally i wouldn't take the risk, but again, that's on you if you don't care.

>>55790190
i am also baffled the amount of times i have to repeat that to the newbs

>>55790204
it also is good for testosterone in advanced age. thats what i tell all the lotto/scratchoff boomers.

>>55790575
>You've gotten some great advice in this thread
i agree it was nice to have a discussion with you guys that mattered for a change
>hat is your target demographic, and you must decide how to portray your business in advertisements in a way that doesnt also alienate your current user base.
i think this is the key to the whole operation, nicely put. maybe i could allocate a bit of recourcess to a consultant familiar with the subject.

>>55790550
>>55790582
i declare Blue the less retarded of you two, and thereby the winner, now pls stfu both

>>55788859
Do you sell vapes, bongs and another drug paraphernalia? That's how the Tobacco shops near me stay in business, in fact that is the bulk of their business kek.

>>55790670
>Blue the less retarded
Thats turquoise you colorblind cunt
>least retarded
hes an utter imbecile

>>55790216
most of the cancer is from the chemicals they use to preserve it etc

>>55790530
touch grass

>>55788859
Sell zyn, undercut prices of the other shops in town, offer a discount when you buy two. Advertise cheapest price in town and buy two deal outside the store if legal. t. zyn user

>>55790216
They never explain the nuances of cancer - nothing causes cancer per se, certain things simply raise the likelihood of developing it, and then other things decrease the ability of your body to nuke cancer cells, which is a standard function of your immune system by the way.
The problem with tobacco causing cancer is that the majority of the studies deal with cigarette smokers - and cigarettes are full of additives which then undergo combustion and turn into even more shit. While even pure tobacco is carcinogenic, notice how they never mention the effect size of that - is one cigar more carcinogenic than 2 hours in a plane, or an hour under direct sunlight? How does one cigar compare to one cigarette? What about snus and snuff users? There's a lot of nuance there that's missing in the popular discourse. All we know is 'smoking is... le bad'.

>>55788859
Open a hookah lounge. Its like a bar but with different shisha flavors. The most part is the atmosphere. You need dim lighting, couches and comfy chairs and eclectic furniture, maybe a few TVs playing weird obscure shit and some lofi beats music playing. Thats how you pull in the zoomies. They want a place to hang out, not a place to buy shit. Sell them shisha at some exorbitant price, and sell the exact same shit for cheaper in your store. Lower your holdings of cigarettes, zoomies hate them and if they dont they will just get them at a gas station.

>>55788859
sell the whole business now and buy bitcoin, smoking peaked many decades ago.

>>55791204
Most important part*

>>55790582
>chanspeak
>lurked
lmao you're hilarious. I bet you have a "4chan/biz" t-shirt that you wear under your jumper so no 'normies' can see it and join your precious club. How old are you? I can't decide whether you're a really sad twat whose entire world has been this website for years or a silly kid that's enjoying a fad and will be onto something else in a few months. I'm intrigued.

>>55791315
*can't see it*

>>55790702
what some of you guys don't seem to get is that the shop is doing fine right now, but i would like to proactively get a younger customerbase before it turns into a problem.
we're located in a conservative area of town with a lot of customers in the upper percentile of earners. drug culture is kind of alienating them. we do sell cbd though and most of the potheads in the neighborhood get their papers and acive charcoal filters from us. weed paraphernalia has good margins too.

>>55790983
undercutting snus prices might be something that draws customers from other neighborhoods. i also have a good source of them getting very cheap prices. i noted that.

>>55791206
OMG yes hold on to my seed phrase while i sell real quick

>>55791204
terrible advice try again next time

my shift is about to end, thank you all for the good advice. i will be posting again on friday if bread is still alive, or just make a new one posting progress, guess i'll be a tripfag for a while :)

i think i'll finish the day with a glass of my favourite beverage, thank you all you lovely retards

>>55790219
>Joya de Nicaragua
Alright cool, lll look for some next time I pass by a store
>>55791152
>cancer
Is a meme, main problem with smoking, is the smoke, carbon monoxide shreds your blood vessels

>>55788859
>how do i get the message out to potential customers?
Let us know the name of your family company, we can be trusted :)

>>55791403
That's why there's so many deaths each year attributed to shredded blood vessels, and very few for cancer, right?

>>55791447
Uh yeah? Heart attacks, strokes and shit

>>55788859
print pics of gigachad smoking and a pic of a yasqueen hot girl smoking, write under "gogachad smokes, do you?" and "cigarettes help you lose weight"
put it on the window for everyone passing by to see, add a red flashing light over it so that it catches attention
here it is now pay up

>>55788859
How about a utility project that swaps coins cheaper then Uniswap and 1inch. And other utilities like staking and Liquidity locking.
Its called Ethane.app and it will change how you swap. It also has some of the best revenue sharing metrics in the crypto space.

>>55788859
Poor people smoke regardless of their age. Set up shop near the ghetto or a trailer park.

>>55789768
>we have much better margins on those than on cigarettes.
this is not possible in the DACH region where the prices on cigars are regulated by law . what are you talking about?!

im actually a seller of tobacco products myself anon. cheers

>>55788859
Wouldn’t the question be what do those two generations smoke? Just get the data, I’m assuming vaping, weed, more than traditional tobacco.

>>55788859
by making it an experience

>>55788859
HOLY SHIT FINALLY A BUSINESS MEME

>>55790543
Best post I've read in weeks, ta

>>55790469
>the United States is the most civilized country on earth
stfu faggot

>>55788859
Sell the shop.

>>55789200
Make sure your Google maps listing is filled out correct and nicely. Put good pictures up which are representative of the different things you sell especially the things people most often search for.

This post is made in Israel btw the tripfagging Vieo is a confirmed IDF shill and OP is the same person why they are pretend fighting to waste EVERYONES time ITT.

>>55789658
>beacuase his store has a more modern interior
That's a good point for trying to get a you her crowd, a lot of zoomers are afraid of noncorporate looking places. Making the exterior look nice and clean and welcoming at least should help.

>>55788859
good morning sir

>>55788859
do you live in a low tax state? maybe sell the cigs direct to customers in high tax cuckstates like me. tired of paying $12/pack

>>55788866
fix yo damn bot

>>55797621
>>55789200
Good google maps stuff will also help bring in tourists. When you're traveling it's hard to find things so if a smoke shop pops up on google with good photos & accurate info, 9/10 times I'm going there because I know it'll be open and not sketchy.
Also, at least here a lot of stuff is sold near the register that's a huge rip-off but that people might need (usb cables/charged for iphones, bongs, etc.) People come in for their cigarettes or liquor, but will occasionally buy those things with high profit margin and that's what can help you.