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its all jewish bullshit. the world will be cleansed of these types soon enough

>>55771091
It's just speech/behaviour controls for the workspace, which is pushed by the same forces that push the 'DEI' stuff. It's not unrelated.

>>55771091
Are you an INTJ or an INTP?

>>55771091
Women are the ones pushing this shit and they don't care about facts, so nothing changes. Better luck next time bud.

>>55771227
It's ironic that the gender that supposed to be more intuitive and empathetic, is the one that pushes autistic "put people in different boxes to manage them better" thinking. I guess feminisms mission is to make women more like autistic men. Guess it accomplished that

at this point you're better off assuming everything coming out of academia is lies and has been for at least 25 years

>>55771091
Fake science and pedantics.
Then they turn this into an entire liberal arts degree.

Almost all the generative AI solutions I've seen implemented - across marketing, sales, HR, ops - fall short for this very reason. We have highly sophisticated computational processes built on deeply flawed models of (e.g.,) management, recruitment, digital conversion journeys, etc. It's like programming a robot to set a table, but realising the programmer's understanding of how a table should be set is deeply flawed,
>The spoon has to be exactly 0.5% the size of the table
>There needs to be a giant chair for the oldest woman in the group
>On Tuesday, all the side plates are served upside down if precipitation is >2%
I work very closely with some of the most sophisticated off-the-shelf marketing AI/analytics tools and I'm constantly dumbfounded by how weak the intellectual foundations underpinning the technology are (not to mention the solutions themselves). The whole thing is a joke.

>>55771304
It's always been like this. Reality is chaos. AI is rules based. Reality has no rules. How long has there been sentiment analysis and Quant hedge funds? And no Wall St genius bought TSLA or GME. Especially marketing, every new pattern stops working when everyone is using. We should be glad, that companies and managers believes in that shit. It means there's more room to exploit systems and make it. You should do your best to sabotage and use your domain knowledge to start your own company to get rich.

>>55771304
We thought the future will look like The Matrix or Terminator, but in reality it will be more like Brazil and Idiocracy.

>>55771360
>more room to exploit systems and make it
Yes change is always good. While this situation is fucked it's also a gift from the gods for those who can capitalize on it. If nothing ever changed we'd just be slaves our whole life.

>>55771370
>Brazil
Based and bronze age pervert pilled

>>55771091
Your disparagement of astrology outs you as a soulless NPC.

>>55771101
>>55771102
>Da jooooooos
DEI is actually at odds with this stuff. DEI says that society is causing inequities so it's society's responsibility to fix them, "behavioral science" says that individual differences are inborn and that it's up to individuals to adjust their outlook and expectations to fit those qualities.

>>55771201
clear ISTP behavior

>>55771304
The professionalization of SWE and development was a mistake. The focus always should have been on computer science as a tool to implement and automate processes conceived by actual subject-matter experts. Instead, we have developers "identifying" "problems", acquiring surface-level knowledge about the problem domain, and A/B testing their implementations of that basic knowledge using their favorite algorithms/architectures until they get something that doesn't blow up, regardless of what's appropriate. Ironically, in the race to professionalization, the framework for actually documenting and conveying best practices was never established, so we've spent the last decade throwing junior devs (senior after 3 years lmao) to the StackExchange wolves (and now even that's fucked, thanks to, wait for it, Google's AI pivot).
Also, bad actors are poisoning the data sets. I have no proof of this that I'm able to share, but suffice it to say that, from what I've seen, I'm completely convinced.

>>55771580
If you're an expert in any field would you help create a blackbox superalgorithm that'll make your whole knowledge and striving for mastery worthless over night?

>bad actors
So people are actively sabotaging. Love to see it.

>>55771091
>people make up shit to make money
I mean, psychology is not a science, and anyone in the field seems to be able to get any results they want in their "research" as long as it fits the mainstream narrative.
it all boils down to making sure you are a normie wagie and do whatever you are told. so much for individual freedom. long live capitalism!

>>55771715
>So people are actively sabotaging. Love to see it.
Not quite. The tech "works", as far as the people who want to profit of it care to have it work. The problem is that the results they spit out are woefully biased, as >>55771304 said. You get output that looks superficially correct to laymen who share those biases, but that don't reflect the objective, reasoned observation and ethical implementation that a human would eventually have come to. You get shit like the creepy AI art hands and sentencing software that sends you to jail for 10 years longer if you have an outstanding parking ticket.

>>55771962
Reminds me of Zillow's house flipping AI that managed to lose money during the biggest RE bull market ever.
Every serious domain expert will just give AIndians the finger or actively sabotage them. Future will be even more weird with all the stupid machines. Might cause more anti tech culture movement, which you already see in zoomers and alphas romanticising the generations growing up without smartphones.

The bags of gold were always in the nuances.
Intuition, taste, perspective and actual domain knowledge will become even more valuable. Place your bets accordingly.

>>55771580
>>55771962
Well said.

>>55771516
kek
>Liberal Arts strikes again

Political science, philosophy, sociology, psychology, law, and economics are all filed under ARTS in academia. They are NOT sciences, but a collection of subjective analyses, as varied as there are opinions, devoid of practicality or reproducibility. Smoke and mirrors for those who want to hear themselves speak and to manipulate others.

>>55771478
Astronomy has way more soul than astrology

>>55771091
>that has infested so many workplaces in the last decade
has it?
damn, I knew my company was a nice place to work, but I didn't realize just how much better it is than the "typical" workplace

>>55772172
Thanks.
>>55772301
You do not understand. The lack of absolute objectivity involved in certain components of a classical education have no bearing on their usefulness.

>>55772301
I mean if they're able to manipulate people with it, it is useful. Learn the tricks, not the content

The sociosexual hierarchy is extremely useful.

>>55772444
In my experience, it's a scale thing. It's endemic in enterprise organisations because they have the resources to hire dozens - even hundreds - of permanent employees whose whole job is organisational make-work. They used to pay McKinsey or Deloitte for a team of MBA assholes to helicopter that shit in. Now the rot's embedded in every organisation (and the consultants are still there to throw a new coal on the fire every now and then). It's a corporate version of the three-cup trick and, once you spend a bit of time at a big, publicly-traded org, you quickly realise there's about 15-20 highly competent, "entrepreneurial" in every one of them, desperately trying to keep these big oil tankers moving, despite all the idiots with little oars inadvertently paddling in circles.

>>55772301
>philosophy
>devoid of reproducibility.
>he unironically doesn't know what logic is
I generally agree with you, but you should have made the distinction between continental and analytical philosophy. Also, since I studied logic and linguistics, I actually have a somewhat rare BS in philosophy, not the traditional BA.

>>55772301
>hurr durr im the bestest human calculator
soulless

>>55771478
that's true, astrology is real shit and you can't convince me otherwise at this point.

>>55772488
>lack of absolute objectivity
you just made my point for me

>>55772717
It's funny they think the manipulation of individual results is the scandal when, in fact, the whole data set bears such a tenuous connection to the reality it purportedly measures. That's the crisis here. It's like trying to understand a performance of the Das Rheingold by measuring the vibrations of the string section.

>>55772552
logic, like economics, can be under a science major if it has a math component (sets, statistics...)

>>55772826
>the whole data set bears such a tenuous connection to the reality it purportedly measures.
this

Luckily for the hard sciences, failure is not rewarded and it is eventually weeded out via practical application and reproducibility. The hard sciences are unlike the above-mentioned Arts’ disciplines, in which failure not only thrives, but is rewarded and allowed to distort reality and hinder progress.
pic related
economics, in particular, is very susceptible to this 'decoupling from reality'

>>55772540
Thanks for your response.
Yeah although we're a subsidary of a much larger org, we operate as a medium-sized company of ~200, so there's not a lot of room for people whose job doesn't directly involve the final product.

>>55772917
Sounds ideal, friend. In my experience, medium-sized companies are the best places to be.

>>55772717
You're conflating research with study. And
>devoid of practicality or reproducibility
is wrong. Critical analyses can involve deterministic logical arguments, given the same axioms, and guide decision-making in the real world in useful and predictable ways.

How long is the coastline in your world?

>>55772833
Economics is actually a posterchild for what you've been railing against.

>>55772833
You are deeply confused.

>>55773044
This.

>>55773023
>useful and predictable ways.
they certainly used to, in their early days. any legitimacy those fields had is long gone, eroded by the very academics that populate said fields.

>>55773072
>deeply confused
please do correct me where I am wrong

>>55773132
Mathematics and logic are not empirical sciences and their application is not limited to the material world.

>>55773105
You, my friend, are irony incarnate.

>>55773167
>Mathematics and logic
they are quantifiers and qualifiers of sets, which are essential to empirical analysis

>>55771091
>nudge
Is literally just another word for
>grooming

>>55773236
Sets are not physical objects.

>>55771091
AI makes all other grifts obsolete, take the AI pill

>>55773247
but they are used to describe physical objects

.com bubble 2.0 incoming but now we got the crypto version, dont fae anon

>behavioral science is fake according to this screenshot of an article by a blogger about claims made by a youtuber
>anyway semirelatedly the corporate horoscope tests that middle managers make you take are basically bullshit
>cue a bunch of posts by /pol/tard conspiracy theorists who think that science is fake, education is fake, and bitching about women and (((bankers)))
>a bunch of people who think that their ignorant pseudobabble is meaningful
>47 replies in this thread, this one makes 48

Congratulations, you found the buzzword buttons that summons all of the psueds and /pol/tards without resorting to the obvious tier of baiting.

>>55773254
Another AI powered token?

>>55773302
even better, it has the domain name meta going for it

>>55773308
Like Xcom? That one sent hard, glad I got in

>>55773281
ty for your contribution to the conversation
you must be a real hit at parties
<<<---law is under Arts, too
lol

>>55773281
>>behavioral science is fake according to this screenshot of an article by a blogger about claims made by a youtuber
this was funny though

>>55773320
i missed that one sadly

>>55773273
They can be used to organize our knowledge of physical objects. If sets were part of the description of material reality, then they would have to be material themselves, which they are not.

>>55773273
This is why you need to take some of those "art" courses. The cognitive dissonance is killin' ya mate.

its all the same obvious fake "science" because it's incongruous to all the hard scientific theories we do know actually exist.

>>55773365
>then they would have to be material themselves
i don't know how you made this leap

>>55773281
attempting to defend jews after SBF and that celcius kike must be exhausting lol

>>55773370
i know art etc is the "spice of life"
i'm not talking about the classics in fine art. (dancing, lit, music)
i am talking about the social sciences as listed here:
Political science, sociology, psychology, law, and economics are all filed under ARTS in academia.
I agree that philosophy does include logic, so it is a special case and I could probably remove it from the list.

>>55771227
No it’s literally male cucked middle managers who buy this stuff

Girl boss executives are sociopath chads and don’t give a shit

>all these pseuds itt
I didn't read a single post you're all so unbelievably gay. Take the lifting and talking to girls pill. Participating in society is for cucks.

>>55773508
The Liberal Arts include all arts and sciences whose primary goal is the advancement of human understanding -- including mathematics, philosophy, physics, biology, anthropology, classics, psychology, etc. That's why subjects with other primary goals -- including Engineering, Law, Business, Architecture, Dance, etc -- have their own separate schools within the university.

>>55771091
>>55773281
here are the analysis and data showing her frauds:

http://datacolada.org/109
http://datacolada.org/110
http://datacolada.org/111
http://datacolada.org/112
previous analysis from 2021: https://datacolada.org/98

>>55771242
>>55771227
>>55771201
>>55771102
>>55771101
The fuck is this nudge shit sounds made up

>>55773508
>i know art etc is the "spice of life"
No, the study of art (including the ones soft sciences you mentioned) allows you to connect and evaluate ideas, even ones that are disparate or contradictory.
>Sets are not physical objects.
>but they are used to describe physical objects
Your response here suggests that you're having just this kind of trouble.

>>55771091
MBTI has been amazing for collaboration with my minions (employees) but I'm not paying for it. I research it as a hobby and there is a ton of accurate insights there. I send them to take the free test, get their results and study up *aka watch YouTube videos* on learning and communication styles with that type. Any place I've done the big 5 test for work my managers didn't give a shit about the applications for it. You have to actually give a shit to apply it.

>>55773044
Didn't know economics was a posterchild for your mom

>>55771580
1000% this. AI should be leveraged by experts to help do their jobs easier as they already know best practices. It's shouldn't replace experts or given to newbs to pretend they are experts. Every place I go to and try to establish best practices always ends up telling me to stop and just push out garbage products as fast as possible to get profits. This is why we have tech monopolies pushing out shittier and shittier products.

>>55771091
btw, economists are not safe from making up bullshit: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/18/uncovered-error-george-osborne-austerity

>>55773944
>amazing for collaboration with my minions

>>55773773
>The Liberal Arts include all arts and sciences
no, universities can have a 'College of Liberal Arts AND Science' (often known as CLAS), which contain both, but they are very separate schools in academia.
'Science' refers to the hard sciences, objective and measurable sciences; testable, reproducible sciences. Chemistry, physics, computer science, medicine, biotech, math, engineering...none of these disciplines are affected by emotion/subjectivity/opinion, nor is failure rewarded for decades at a time in the hard sciences.

>>55774317
You couldn't be more wrong.

>>55773936
>the study of art (including the ones soft sciences you mentioned) allows you to connect and evaluate ideas
lol
this is so fucking subjective, i can't even respond to it

>>55774330
maybe in your eyes

>>55774343
You have the eyes of a child.

>>55774354
no

>>55774331
Essentially I am begging you to take a humanities course, for your own good and the good of the people who are forced to spend time with you irl.

>>55771242
words are just tools for women to get what they want, there is no requirement they correspond to reality, from a woman's perspective.

>>55773844
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudge_theory
its how the uk has been run for 20 years. a kind of emotional hearding.

>>55773281
>1pbtid
Aww the lil guy got scared

>>55771242
>feminisms goal is to make women more like autistic men
100%. The Barbie movie unironically calls this out

>>55771091
Is NLP still touted or have they figured out its bullshit? Been away from these types since I cashed out.

>>55775317
i have four degrees, believe me, i had to take some humanities

>>55773582
most middle managers are women dumbass