/biz/ - Business & Finance

First for BOIL

Baking these threads has gotten slower recently. I think our normal baker must have roped. RIP baker, you will be missed and sneeded.

Futures are losing it.
Japan being in to the country western thing is very cute.

got a 2nd drink of makers mark cask strength so we cccan have green futures

>>55738996
the markets been red so i didnt want to go to the stock market(im getting heemed)

>>55738986
can I retire solely off my Roth IRA? If I want a guaranteed 5% a year can I just put it in a conservative allocation like the vanguard Wellington fund or something similar? I’d use my brokerage account to do something alittle more diversified with tilts and stuff (ginger ale portfolio).

werent they saying the recession was over?

guys should I be worried about pic related or nah?

Also
>BOJ announces unscheduled bond buying second time in a week

bloody fucking hell

Slurping.

>>55739012
yes it was the most bearish thing i have seen all year. Anytime goberment or media declare CRISIS AVERTED i interpret that as it's about to get real bad real fast and they are going to start posting articles about how this was a complete surprise and so on.

momentum is inverting, pumping soon thanks to apple i bet

the only question is, do we test 4500

>>55739014
Would not be surprised if we went back to 430 and would also not be surprised if Apple pumped the market to 500. It's too risky to bet if market is suddenly going to care about bearish news

THE BIG MAC INDEX IS OUT OF CONTROL

>>55738986
Did you think I was going to just scroll by without saying, "yee-haw"?

>>55739093
>looks at my pile of PMs that have done fuck all in the corner
He said gold wouldn't go below $2000 and was about to break out last month. And back below 1950 we went. My silver is even worse.

>>55739093
It's well known that Connecticut has some of the most retarded McDonalds pricing in america.

So /smg/bros how we doing?

Sold some of my LKNCY after earnings yesterday. Netted near 30k in gains. Sitting on close to 90k in cash now and still feeling like selling my TNA/UPRO just in case the market shits itself. Tom Lee being BEARISH is so rare it's throwing me off.

>>55739134
TLT didn't bottom.
Long end rates sky rocketing.
I have beheemed and beclowned myself very hard

I have been severely heemed by nclh

>>55739145
Me too anon, me too :(. Although I plan to buy the dip, what we saw was an overactive by hijab wearing Jewish supercomputers

FUTURES BUSSIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Fellow EUsissies, I am getting pounded real hard today (and not in the good way). What do you guys do for fun to distract yourselves from the red dildos?
I am probably gonna go to the gym again (155kg bench press today, which is pretty weak by /biz/ standards I know) because being at home just forces me to watch the stupid market

>>55739134
down most of my profit in the last 30 days and another heeming tomorrow will take the rest away

How much are markets gonna dump if Apple misses?

>>55739177
I'm shorting. But took profits too early, didn't expect that dump now, ffs. I'll just short again and more and hold, DAX down do 15k. fuck this piece of shit. Timing this sucker is nearly impossible

>futures

>>55739202
>spx still not below 4500
I sleep

>SQQQ is primed for take off

>>55739199
Also, can you imagine, I almost lost 2,5k on monday. My stoploss was at 16540 and we hit 16531, and it's fixed. I can't change it after setting it. Another 2,5k at 16590 and another at 16640. All for this fakest of fake pump (as always). Nearly liquidated me this bitch. Payback time

gm EU frens
another day waking up in the soviet era commie blocks. whats the game plan for today?

>>55739199
DAX bounced nicely on that second resistance (MA100 on 3M graph). Hmmm, we could be looking at DAX going down to the last resistance provided DXY keeps rising and Apple maybe misses/provides worse guidance (yeah good luck with that)...
Then again this could just be a natural pullback since DAX was ATH just few days ago

>CPUH premarket getting heemed
classic spac moment, honestly instead of just trading warrants on spaac rumours I should aalso open long dated short options since they almost always sseem to shit the bed, the warrantss alone are usually 2 - 5 baggers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIIRV-QnzxU

>>55739220
>Natural pullback
This time it will go where it belongs, back to 15k.

>>55739220
And fuck man, I lost on gains again. I didn't know Infineon was reporting today too. MEME company.

STOP THE HEEM

>>55738986
>Market dropping

>TTOO unaffected and thriving

>Doctor copper dying as we speak
Could this be it? Coupled with China crashing, US credit dump, investors being forced to sell AAA stuff, and DXY rallying... could this be the start of a pullback?
I regret not selling copper three days ago so FUCKIN MUCH. Why do I suck so much when it comes to selling?

>futures

Aaaaahhhh ffffuuuuuccckkkk

AMZN and Apple needs to get good earnings or else we are all FUCKED

>>55739191
If somehow both AMZN and Apple misses, -30% drop across the board and that's minimum.

>>55739252
I don’t THINK Amazon will miss. But who knows. AAPL on the other hand…
>Outlook not so good.

>>55739252
>>55739261
both will beat expectations but they will not beat expectations by the expected amount so we will dump

>>55739241
I sold SOXS at $8.55
I wanna kms

>>55739275
AAPL is at ATH now so they just need to say AI enough to justify it. Like Siri AI, iPhone pro AI, Fire AI, AI streaming. I think they can do it

>>55739261
Apple can release the same phone so many times. Thankfully consoomers don't care but who knows if this is the time.

>away for an hour
>market shits the bed
2y10y spread is doing the funny thing that brings the pain

who cares about bonds
there's nowhere else for the money to go

>>55739282
>Like Sairai AI, aiPhone pro AI, Faire AI, AI streaimaing
Get good scrub

>>55739296
bonds are such a stupid investment they shouldn't exist

>>55739305
You just doubled the stock price

Apparently, a senator on the finance committee bought an inverse ETF or something like that in July. Do with that information as you will.

August 10th the market dies. With the next US CPI it's over.

>tfw I'll be able to go back in the green with my AMZN short and pull out before the earnings gamble

>>55739252
Both have low expectations. Amazon should see a lot of good revenue from the renewed strength in ads though, and Apple has a lot of AI stuff and semi stuff to talk about to garner some good attention from big investors. If there is one company in the world that I would never bet against, it's Coca Cola... but Apple comes damn close

>>55739319
>not gambling on derivatives
Senate is lame. at least Paul Pelosi
knows how to leaverage insider stuff

>>55739330
Coca Cola would take a heavy hit, if they'd actually prove that Aspartam is cancerous, which it probably is.

IT'S OVER

>>55739031
What did they mean by this?

>>55739336
>Cancerous at levels far exceeding normal consumption
Bro, this sort of crap is always easy to bullshit around. It's all crap and I hate Coca Cola and all this consoomerism crap but you gotta admit that the business is flawless.

we fell to 4510

>>55739336
They have done so many studies on that stuff. The amount in light products of Coca Cola is not even at the limit of what the WHO considered safe in their meta analysis of Aspartam. You would have to drink about 25 liters per day of light products by Coca Cola to reach that limit. Never going to harm Coke.

>>55739336
The diabetes and obesity related diseases kill long before you could get cancer. And America will never outlaw obesity. God bless

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I keep shitting my pants at work.

>futures
holy shit bros this is really the end

well guys, I guess that's it

Ok ok ok guys..


Doesn't US premarket open in a few minutes?
BIG GULP to be expected?

>>55739031
drunk anime girls are the best

>>55739367
Stop inserting large objects in your anus then, and do some exercises to strengthen your muscles in that region.
Jesus christ I am getting heemed real hard today EUbros

>>55739378
YO I CLOSED SOME OF MY SHORTs 1-2 MINUTES BEFORE THE DUMP, SHUT UP, lol

>>55739382
>>55739378
I FUCKIN HATE EU, WHAT A SHITCOIN market, ALWAYS expect the unexpected, the most retarded move. THAT will happen, 90% of times.

>>55739378
Adapt, you shouldn't have stayed long.

This is all my fault...I fucking bought expecting a meltup

At least I wasn't on margin..

>>55739393
It's so over lmao

how we lookin' for today, lads?

>>55739399
IT'S REAL BAD

>>55739399
SOXS

>>55739282
AI feels like the new Dot Com Bubble to me. I saw people complain how shit like ChatGPT and art creation got much worse lately.

>>55739373

>TUP green
that's all I care about lmao

>vix futes at 17
Uhh..... mumubros.... is shit gonna go down?

At this point we can only hope that AAPL/MSFT saves the indexes right?

>>55739399
my deep in the money monthly calls will still have some value on them but im going to get absolutely fucking heemed on the weeklies i bought tuesday and yesterday unless amazon and apple pull a rabbi out of the hat despite massive negative pressure from bond yields and the credit downgrade. not selling since im already at probably a 90% loss.

>>55739401
>>55739402
>>55739409
maybe the real investment was the friends we made along the way

japanese bonds kyoudai its our time

Cmon stop this fuckery and buy you fuckin algos, they are teasing you to fomo in with new shorts but will pump any minute

>markets
https://youtu.be/_C0fxoot-7c

BABY DONT HURT MMMEEEEEEEEE

>>55739399
SOXS and SQQQ.
I keep trying to tell you faggots.

CMON SLURP IT UP, I Want to short again

>>55739423
and you've been wrong the entire time up until the past two days congratulations, what's your break even price on each

100 bucks on a V-shaped recovery when burger market opens

>>55738986
https://youtu.be/Mui4CM2SKWM
Thread theme cause something ain't right

>>55739428
>until the last two days
I’ve only been telling you this for the last two days. $17.45 and $8.74

MUMUS MAD

>>55739408
>VIX front month below spot

>>55739417
>japanese bonds
this is some joke cause they yield negative even before inflation+exchange right?

also ukraine bonds is where it's at

Whats that bond etf that spmetimes gets talked about here?

>>55739441
then you got lucky guessing the bottom, well played. im down $200k on both combined YTD trying to do the same.

>>55739361
So your financial advice is to long LLY or NVO?

>>55739453
tlt

I swear, I opened 1 short 4 minutes ago, you sons of whores algos. right before the pump

>BMW
I still find it puzzling that it dumped hard on such good numbers and even better guidance.

>>55739014
He put 30k in a 1x short etf ?!?!!
stop the heckin presses

>>55739487
I need it to go to 98, I shorted way too early. I just want out, take my money that was doing nothing except being in the red and nuke DAX. Was a big mistake shorting it. Should have kept shorting DAX instead of dIVeRsiFyinG

>>55739487
Seems any company with a consumer focus is dumping.

Unrelated note, UK interest rate rise expected later, in theory should send the pound up but it's going to have weird effects on British shares (those are likely already priced in though).

weak ass market, fake pump

There's no way Yields... can stay this high

Love is Love
https://www.dextools.io/app/en/ether/pair-explorer/0x176bb366b31a5292e27c6b6fcf7b7e54d137ec3d

Ready for the pump in 11 minutes?

>>55739554
I can't understand shit unless you post the entire yields curve along with a cute maid anime waifu, sorry.

>>55739583
That's simply the 30y yield.

>>55739597
>>55739583

It should be easier to understand than the yield curve if you'd show that to a person who doesn't know shit about that stuff.

>>55739583
Where the fuck is that guy? We need him more now than ever, the curve is flattening with long-term yields rising so quickly

>>55739605
So the uninversion market crash meme is real..

>>55739605
I want a maid yields graph but with giant chounyuu sized tits resting on the graph lines

SP is stuck, nasdaq pumps a bit

>>55739614
It's ogre

>>55739614
So glad I went 50% in cash yesterday

So, why exactly would un-inversion (or reversion I suppose) lead to a market crash? Is there a good explanation for that?

>tfw could have shorted AMSC yeterday at 16.00 but wanted to wait for 16.60
>9.17 now

>>55739648
just spread your entries

>>55739643
makes long term dated treasuries too attractive to not pull money to them

>>55739643
the idea is that the Fed would be cutting interest rates because of some kind of economic downturn from being too tight for too long. so lower rates would go down in response to bad data

Should i sell Novo Nordisk? The stock seems a bit pricy and I alredy have a good return for it.
I put money on Bayer and Basf as I believe they are incredibly undervalued, I just invest long term as I have a lot of liquidity, so short term fluctuations don't really bother me

Stop slurping.

>>55739655
Right, so big investors exit the markets and go for treasuries instead... but wouldn't such a surge in demand in turn decrease their yields or am I retarded?

>>55739648
American Superconductor Supercomputer?

>>55739679
I hope they ban Glyphosat worldwide.

>>55739680
Let them slurp, I need to short again.

>>55739682
Yes

Faggot piece of shit Adidas selling their Yeezys. Spineless companies. It was so obvious that after a certain amount of time, when everything has calmed down, they'd still try to bank on it. Money>all

And I don't care about jews or antisemitism. It's that there are no principles.

>>55739648
I’m sitting on $14.30 bags, do I sell and take the loss or just long ball this stock

motherFUCK here we go again

oh boy who flipped the emergency pump switch?

>>55739743
Jpow will not allow America to fail. We need QE and rate cuts and 100% oil production and quick enforcement of new Basil IIO regs NOW

>>55739731
You bought the almost top of a hype PnD, time isn't on your side.

>>55739743
It’s just the panic button algorithm.

so maybe second red day.

>>55739757
It’s almost back down to where it was before. I still want to hold but im scared of earnings on the 8th

IS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO, BOBO?

>>55739752
You need more downgrades

>>55739722
Gas yourself Shlomo

lmao @ bobos rn

>>55739795
There always a chance that you'll get a news cycle for a second pump, something like "University of Xiangxiongxin confirms LK-99 is a superconductor"

>pypl

>>55738986
I'm going to go 50/50 on a global small cap value index and an emerging markets index. My idea behind this is that I'm betting that I'll be compensated by higher returns than a market cap weighted index over a very long timeframe from taking these liquidity and political risks. I'm 21 and I don't see myself needing that money in the near future so I'm fine with the volatility. Thoughts?

>world banks halt payments for operations in Niger

Interesting that it didn't make much of an impact on futures kek

>>55739848
JPM is literally the only stock worth owning

>>55739848
just be sure there is not much overlap between the two indices

>>55739850
We don’t use that word here

>Heemed on room temperature superconductors
I should have bought room temperature chicken vegeta stocks instead

>>55739850
africa being a neverending clusterfuck is priced in

How are we feeling about AMZN? ER one week later than usual isn't a great sign.

>>55739818
>>55739803
What is this delusion lmao, futures are still well and truly red with no signs of recovery.

Only a dead boomer is a good boomer

>>55739879
some stocks are actually turning green pre-market and we're back in the realm where a good print from apple and amazon can turn this bitch around and end the week in the green where a little while ago that was off the table for a moment..

so now it's official we are entering a bear market, what's the best strategy to overcome it ?
stack on cash and try to buy at the lowest possible ?

>>55739916
>market is gonna go down
>what do I long
mental illness

>>55739916
Short oil and metals with leverage
Stack canned beans

>>55739916
Cashgang and/or utilities, they will barely move and pay high divs

EUROPEAN W-I-N-D

Siemen's had a big dip on turbines but it's already clawed back value and doesn't look like it will change trajectory.

>>55738996
You can't bake without dough.

>>55739850
This is absolutely the signal to now look into investing in Niger. African coups are an easy way to make money these days.

>Leader comes in who talks about stability or some shit
>Market panics like he's Fidel Castro
>Really he just loots and eventually either gets toppled or everyone just accepts it

The mines don't magically disappear and there's no risk of nationalisation these days.

>/smg/ talking news like it matters
lol you dumbasses never fail to make me think "what a bunch of dumbasses."

>>55739934
>Siemen's
stopped reading there

Mumu why do you keep doing this to yourself?

>>55738642
Wish I had a million, itd be so easy to never worry what the stock market does scam pump, scam dump, doesnt matter I can coast by and live a comfortable wage free life.

>>55739223
Explain further

>>55739947
>30k
kek anon, this is like you buying sqqq for 30$

>>55739947
>ultrashort
>1x
what did he mean by this? Is this like a megapint?

>>55739920
> strategy = go long

look at this retard

>>55739848
>emerging markets index
Has anyone actually made good money investing into that crap? I held an EM index for three years before finally selling (+5%)... terrible performance

>>55739923
>short Oil
>instead of shorting stocks

>>55739952
Except this isn't like me at all. A congressman has no faith in the US economy. Now what does that tell you about what is going to happen very very soon?

>>55739916
>so now it's official we are entering a bear market

so bull market ends after one red day ?

>>55739948
>Wish I had a million, itd be so easy to never worry what the stock market does scam pump, scam dump, doesnt matter I can coast by and live a comfortable wage free life.

you think this and then you get there and you realize it isn't close to enough

>>55739848
>Emerging Markets Index

Just do S&P honestly, all the companies are still global but you have a lot less geopolitical risk. But at your age you'll make the best bank investing in yourself :)

>>55739500
The big question is whether it will be less than expected given the UK's eye-watering inflation seems to be tailing off. It's priced in but up to you to consider whether the price is right.

>>55739877
Shits fucked but they're the most capable of weathering the storm and have the right infrastructure already in place.

>>55739916
>so now it's official we are entering a bear market
>now

>>55739934
>siemens
and they're still sitting on big useless stinking pile of money burning turbines
nothing changed

>>55739954
>what's the best strategy to overcome it ?
>stack on cash and try to buy at the lowest possible
your words moron

>>55739962
well then lets see his long position aswell

>>55739962
30K.

>>55739962
> Buys a short ETF.
>Sells calls
>Is actively hedged for downside movement without selling longs

>>55739979
>making up shit that never happened

You can keep those bags I'm good.

>>55739966
July is historically bullish, August and September are historically bearish, just go with the history nigger unless it radically deviates

>>55739958
>I held an EM index for three years before finally selling (+5%)...
It's pathetic for a trader but it's pretty impressive for an IT worker or nurse or whatever the fuck you do.
Fun little hobby for you.

>>55739971
I know that already you illiterate low iq lacking comprehension retard.
I'm asking for more

SOXL

>>55740015
By fire be purged

My online broker just blocked my payments because they are questioning the source of my „wealth“.

>>55740043
>„wealth“.
Don't ethnic type here.

>>55740054
Im posting from my phone

>>55740071
Yeah and your keyboard is default set to Kazakhstani or Hebrew or someshit.
I don't want to be transported into your world.
Same goes for Euros with their stupid 1000,00 comma decimal shit

i love how the superior european typography make the murimutts seethe

NASDAQ futures booming.
BOOMING.

>>55740095
I love how we gave the world internet and they use it to shitpost about how awesome they think they are and how much they seethe about us.

>>55738986
Does Tom Brady hate money or is he just stupid?

>>55740095
The only thing you love is 4 cylinder diesel Volkwagens.

>>55740090
comma makes more sense than a fuckin dot. A dot means END. You don't want to end the number, but express a step.

>>55738989
BASED!
mornin' NIGGERFAGS
I have what that Anon firsted while I slept.
I hope other BOIL barons are up for the premarkets where often the "best" buy/sell opportunities occur, but at least be monitoring BOIL every moment of every day start to finish so that you can better learn its behaviors as a hunter would its game.

NASDAQ futures unbooming.
UNBOOMING.

>>55740115
>he actually believes this

Can't wait for this market today
Gon be epic

>>55740114
4cyl diesel vws are pretty tight

Why do rates keep going up? Isn't inflation at a reasonable level? A lot of the interest rates are still within the lag period.

TTOO BROS GET IN HERE.

1000 year bear market

It's almost 8:30.

>>55740143
Strong economy, low jobless numbers
Inflation 100% not tamed

>>55740151
ITS THE FINAL COUNT DOOOOWN

5% down day incoming

>>55740107
BASED
the descendants of those who stayed behind are pussyfags who can't into anything themselves so they have to express their self hatred using the outlets we make and provide them.
"nooo weee i'm gettin' on any boat to new lands that aren't already established. they'll have to work and build things from scratch when they get there. noooo weee, i'm stayin' right here in euroqueerland where everything has already been done"

>>55740128
Yes

>>55740183
Make it 10%

kek I cant wait for bobos to get heemed for the 1000 time by the daily v-shaped recovery

How we feeling today boys? Amazon and apple will be big.

>>55740228
Hasbros...

mornin' news reminds me of what first brought me to the chins in 2008.
U R
HERE
FOREVER

>>55740228
I bet amazon does fine and apple barely misses but everyone reacts like tim cook got caught upper decking a shitter at a party.

>>55740223
Today will be scamwick bonanza, giga fakepumps because of data, but in the end it will go down.

There is literally no fucking reason why some surprise jew score announcement should cause the market to shit itself. Mentioning Jan 6 and the debt ceiling as a reason is beyond disingenuous.

Too lazy to click buy/sell right now.
Faaaaack.

did you know you can't spell puts without tup

>>55740258
>Mentioning Jan 6 and the debt ceiling as a reason is beyond disingenuous.

>>55740272
I fucking knew I should’ve went for it. I didn’t know how far the meme pump was going to go though.

>>55740272
Rocker vindication incooming?

>>55740228
apple is fucked
consumer spending is down
chinese manufacturing issues fucked them this year
guidance will be down
FINALLY THIS FAGGOT NIGGER FAKE AND GAY BEAR MARKET RALLY IS OVER
im so stoked
puts every day from now on
just like that, the stock market will NEVER go up EVER again

>>55740291
someone posted a cap of a headline yesterday evening saying that AAPL is hosting dev gatherings for their new retard goggles that cost literally as much as the Chevy Silverado pickup truck I bought in 1989 and hardly anyone is showing up.

>>55740317
consumers cant afford that shit
apple is fucking retarded and today is the day the street finally lets it go
do you think people have been eager to buy new phones this year? fuck no
get fucked apple, good riddance

How do I bet on LK99? Lead?

>>55740325
Its over

>>55740325
Better off going with SOXS
>>55740333
CHECKED.

>>55740323
Those goggles could be seen as perhaps the ultimate sign of the exuberance of the times. Imagine putting them on niggers in the ads to boot. KEK!

>>55740323
>consumers cant afford that shit
Do you how much a CD player cost in 1987?

>>55740272
Tbh pre market for penny stocks is wild. You can’t predict shit from it

>>55740343
Shit, just CDs themselves, even. BUT, back then not so many people had them either, until the prices started coming down.

>>55740323
>consumers cant afford that shit
Consumers will kill their own kids before they give up their iphone prestige.

>>55740343
Think back to VCRs. The first few years of them we *rented* those motherfuckers for a night or the weekend, and rented the movies to watch on them. Very few people actually owned them for that first good while.

CMON SLURP IT UP

>>55740353
Even with the small initial consumer base they were still worth the trouble for Sony, and the goggles are worth it for Apple. And they'll sell more in the first couple years than Sony ever dreamt of and the prices will come down within a few years to get mass adoption.

KRUGMAN SAVE ME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Just look at all the shit that went from being technically overbought for like two months to immediately oversold within a single trading session. Qualcomm even beat earnings and it's down 9 fucking percent this morning. Greedy faggot retail speculators keep trying to short every spooky headline only to push things down right to levels where Big Money starts buying again. You can clearly see this happening all the way back to October of last year. So fucking tiring.

NYMEX jews have taken the helm of NATGAS already, it's goin' wild with sudden back and forth jerks.

>>55740368
oversold can stay oversold for a long time bro
muh technicals arent going to save you from the clappening that is taking place
position accordingly or get your cheeks clapped

>>55738996
/smg/ has declined. Many reasons.
#1. Knowledgeable users got tires of naive first-timers
#2. For whatever (trolling) bad plays are skilled here which burns and jades anons
#3 4chan itself has a status of (regardless if it deserves it or not) intelligence and 'making it' - lots of redditors come and go
/smg/ is my preferred microcosm of 4chan. Lots of shared values. But I do wish it were more lively.

>>55740363
I suspect there was more natural, ubiquitous demand for that much "improvement" in music format than there is for fancy googles.

>>55740358
Yeah, it's also how people talk about the drawbacks of public EV chargers, forgetting that Bertha Benz literally bought fuel from pharmacies, buying bottles petroleum ether.

I’ll be seeing you all at trump towers tomorrow

>>55740368
Just for some numbers, QCOM brought in 8.44 billion fucking dollars in a single quarter, but since that wasn't the (((expected))) 8.5 billion, it must be the end of the fucking world so SELL SELL SELL!!! These dumbshit Econ 101 "journalists" are attributing Qualcomm's performance to a "slumping smartphone industry", which is about as absurd as saying the fast food hamburger industry is slumping. The way that people conveniently leave out the effects of the pandemic when considering these numbers really rustles my jimmies - yeah of course you're going to see "lower" numbers after 2+ years of people blowing all their income on things to help them cope with state mandated isolation.

Mumu.. are you ok?

>>55740379
More.

>>55740384
GET FUCKIN CLAPPED IDIOT
MORE LIKE CLAPPEDCOM

>>55740385
>>55740371
A single fucking day of red based on a ridiculous reason and you faggots are back with your cocky bullshit. You didn't learn after 2022 huh

>>55740373
>I suspect there was more natural, ubiquitous demand for that much "improvement" in music format
Yeah, it was called cassette tapes. Nobody needed CDs.

>>55740384
cope

>>55740394
wow you mustve literally bought calls at the top of the stock market LMAO

>>55740376
Again, transportation, like music format, is far more naturally ubiquitously in demand than "muh neat glasses".

>>55740395
Maybe you're forgetting needing a pencil to roll them back up and then the part that got "ate" always sounding fucked up after that, and the difficulty of rewinding/fast forwarding back and forth trying to get to the beginning of a specific song you want to hear or skip one you don't.

>>55740384
>revenue and guidance for the fourth quarter came up short
>revenue and guidance for the fourth quarter came up short
My friend.. You need to realize that the market is forward looking, looking maybe 12-16 months in the future. Stock prices are the total sum of all future cash flows, discounted risk free interest rates, to a one lump sump today.
If future cash flows are projected to fall, then it is worth less than was projected - if people expected $100 for 4th quarter (example) and company comes out and says they'll only make $90, it doesn't matter if for 3rd quarter they said they'll make $90 and they make $90
Market expected them to make $100 in 4th quarter - if they come out and say that no we aren't going to make $100 in 4th quarter after all, of course the share price will fall
Also, you need to realize that revenue and EPS are practically worthless, unless there is a huge miss (or huge beat) on both
What matters is what they say about the future, their guidance - what also matters is the breakdown of their earnings, whether or not they are expanding in certain categories (for example, Amazon - if their web services fall sharply, it matters more than if another part of their business does poorly)
Investors want to see that operating margins are increasing, that sales in important categories are increasing, that profit is increasing
If you hit revenue and EPS targets, but all of your margins are down 15%, and your expenses are up 20%, it doesn't matter if you hit the EPS / margin targets, as clearly the business is in a bad trend, where profits will continue to go down as expense growth is exceeding profit growth
Again, market is forward looking
Also, you need to realize, that the revenue / EPS estimates are complete horse shit hog wash - the analysts are paid by the companies they cover - if they give unfavorable estimates or price targets, they lose their job - it's just like the ratings agencies, where if Moody's gives you a bad rating

>>55740372
personally i liked it when the /smg/ etf was around

12-16 months in the future the united states will have gone through the most brutal recession since the financial crisis
and every single mumu will have gotten their butt cheeks completely and utterly clapped

I just saw an extremely beautiful woman on the train.

>>55740432
did you claim your tits

>>55740421
>>55740384
>where if Moody's gives you a bad rating...
then you just go to Fitch, or Standard and Poor's
and they all know this, so they just give a favorable rating.
In other words, the people who set the bar for the company to beat with EPS / revenue, are people whose self interest is for the company to beat EPS / revenue. They intentionally set the bar lower, so that it can be beat.
This is not impressive, and why "Why is the stock falling?? They beat!!!" is a thing - investors see right through it, and are only interested in the bottom line
>margin growth
>profit growth
>sales growth in key areas
>decrease in expenses, or less of an increase in their expenses than their growth is
>future guidance

>>55740421
>>55740384
Essentially: Priced in reversal

>>55740428
my brother, you have been listening to way too much /pol/ and Schiff
none of that is going to happen

>>55739962
>no faith
>30k
Motherfucker is just speculating. These guys make a lot more than 30k

this clappening is not priced in
its currently getting priced in
and mumus cheeks are getting red like their portfolios
clap, clap, clap, can you hear it?
>>55740447
all of that is going to happen, the charts dont lie
deepest yield curve inversion of all time, and soon the steepest steeping of the yield curve of all time
the clapping is out there, much like aliens, and its coming to a theater near you, soon

GUYS GUYS; ARE YOU FULLY HEDGED FOR THE REPORTS IN 8 MINUTES?

GET
THAT
ASS
CLAPPED

ERIC CLAPPTON

>>55740461
whats habbening

>>55740471
jobs report now

later ISM services

>>55738986
>BUD pumping in premarket
lmao, thanks for the money you stupid chuds

>>55740479
Is bad still good or is bad bad now

first for IQQK

Maybe INVOOST in some marine cloud brightening stooks.

>>55740421
You literally can't infinitely raise revenue though, it will naturally ebb and flow with other conditions of the economy. This was the issue last year, where so many things were "coming up short" compared to how they did in 2021, but that was a horseshit comparison because everyone paying attention knew that things were extraordinarily elevated in 2021. Companies making 8 billion fucking dollars every quarter are by all measures doing just fine, and unless something insane happens we can pretty safely assume that they will continue to do just fine.

JOBS REPORT STATUS
CLAPPED

Drop a bag on your ass!
- Bobo

Did that many people on /biz/ get fooled into buying the top of AMSC yesterday or why are they having superconductor threads where posters sound exactly like they do in GME threads?

CLAPT - HEADSTRONG

>Nonfarm productivity 50% above expectations
>Unit productivity cost 50% below expectations
Is this a good thing? It LOOKS like a good thing but I'm mildly retarded.

>buying individual stocks
lol most of you don't have fully developed prefrontal cortexes yet, do you?

Oil is far too cheap imo
Needs to be at least around $90

Bank of England also just threw in the towel in their fight against inflation
Who cares that they have 7.9% inflation?? Who cares that they are behind the curve??
https://www.forexlive.com/news/i-dont-think-there-was-a-case-for-a-50-bps-rate-hike-today-bailey-20230803/
ECB and now BOE have completely pussy-footed out, where they are saying
>NOOOO OUR ECONOMIES ARE DECLINING!!!
>BUT INFLATION IS TOO HIGH!!!
>BUT, BUT, THE ECONOMY!!!
>MORE DOVISH, MORE DOVISH!!!
>SAVE THE ECONOMY, WHO CARES ABOUT INFLATION!!!
>SAVE THE ECONOMY!!!
they have buckled. they are pathetic, and are faggots, and they will make the crisis worse, as inflation surges higher. They didn't have the balls (Lagarde has them, but not metaphorically) to keep raising, keep hawkish rhetoric, and ensure the job gets done.
>Why does this matter?
Because now we have THREE currencies all working to make the dollar go higher
we have yen falling, due to Japan still not buckling in YCC / bond buying
we have euro falling, due to ECB buckling
and we have pound falling, due to BOE buckling
all 3 currencies make up the DXY basket
in other words, the dollar is going to continue to go up
This is bearish.
Everyone expected ECB and BOE (especially) to continue hiking, to continue to be aggressive in their fight against inflation, as inflation in their nations is still extremely high, and they are behind the curve in the tightening cycle compared to the Fed - that the Fed would pause / cut, while other central banks would continue to hike - this made their currencies appreciate against the dollar, and fueled the stock market rally. Short the dollar was the most crowded trade of the last year - now it must unwind
Dollar should continue to rise, barring a new monetary policy announcement from ECB or Fed
Stocks will remain under pressure as long as the dollar is rising

Anyone gonna be slurping QCOM at $110?

>>55740518
It's definitely good, just like everything has been for the last year, but a bunch of reddit-tier faggots are going to try to spin it into a bad thing because they're desperately trying to recoup their losses

>>55740521
BUYING INDIVIDUAL STOCKS IS CRINGE
BUT SHORTING INDIVIDUAL STOCKS, NOW IM THINKING BASED

>>55740495
>what are valuations
>what are multiples
>Companies making 8 billion fucking dollars every quarter are by all measures doing just fine
the question is not
"Are they doing fine?"
the question(s) is, and always has been
"Are they worth $XXX price?"
"What price will they be worth in the future?"

So what’s the word?

>>55740523
USD bros, we are back

>>55740524
Anyone not slurping semis while they dump on completely unrelated news deserves to fail

>>55740523
>The dollar is getting stronger
>Which is why people aren't going to invest in the US stock market
lol

>>55740533
You literally have no idea what happened after these numbers were released the last time, so what the fuck do you care?
News rhymes with jews for a reason.

>>55740535
Stocks are priced in dollars retard

>>55740523
Jepp, I've been saying this for a while now. Europeans have completely chickened out. Their wealth is overly connected to real estate and they are mostly on short-term mortgages so they can't really raise too much and aggressively lest they crash the economy completely.
Just look at Sweden and Germany... absolutely pathetic. People are beyond "overmortaged" and guess what? All these loans are due for a re-financing to significantly higher levels. Consumers are about to get shafted in the EU.
Normos thought they could take advantage of ZIRP forever

>>55740535
GET
THAT
ASS
CLAPPED

day 2 of the great heeming of 2023 begins

>>55740550
I'm still up 140% this year :)

>>55740543
>The dollar is going to get stronger
>This is somehow bad for the US stock market in the macro
lol

>>55740518
>>Unit productivity cost 50% below expectations
I think Powell mentioned this specifically at FOMC

>>55740452
The fact that he is even doing that speaks volumes. There shouldn't even be a need to do that if the economy is so great.

>>55740535
>>55740543
Sorry that was mean. Let me explain further. Since stocks are priced in dollars, if a given stock is worth $100 in today dollars, and dollars in a month are worth 5% more, the stock will only be worth 1/1.05 of what it is today (95.24 in this example), assuming all else stays equal. It has nothing to do with confidence in the US and everything to do with buying power.

We should also thank the Brits for their noble sacrifice. Them accepting hyperinflation may unironically save the US from the same fate.

>>55740555
I suppose a strong dollar is bad in the short term but good in the long term, right? At least for the stock market

>>55740535
>>The dollar is getting stronger
>>Which is why people aren't going to invest in the US stock market
when the dollar grows in strength relative to other currencies, it becomes more expensive for foreign investors to buy US stocks
for example, I'm a Japanese investor. I have 1,000,000 yen to invest. If I want to buy US stocks, I have to first sell my yen and buy dollars, to use the dollars to buy the stocks.
Let's say that the exchange rate is 143 - 1,000,000 yen would give you ~$7000
let's say that the yen strengthens (the dollar falls) and the exchange rate is only 100
that same 1,000,000 yen would give you $10,000
Can you buy more stocks with $10,000 or $7,000?
This is the direct instant impact
The bigger picture is that when the dollar rises, corporate profits fall. 30% of S&P earnings come from overseas. If the dollar rises, it is more expensive for foreign consumers to buy US goods and services - the higher a price is, the less demanded of that item, the less quantity sold of that item. This dents corporate profits
Furthermore, if the dollar is appreciating, anything they sell in a foreign currency they have to convert back to the dollar (by selling that currency and buying dollars) and they lose money through this exchange
a stronger dollar also makes it harder for all foreign countries, institutions, individuals to service their dollar denominated debt - they have to pay more to pay their debt (as it is more expensive to buy dollars) -- this results in a decrease in consumption (which hurts stocks)

>>55740557
you don't know about his long positions though. Do you think his entire portfolio is $30k? It's a very timid hatch against the worst case.

Good Morning Mumus.

>>55740564
a fuckload of internationals have invested in american companies too

>>55740564
Foreign investors don't matter as much as you're making out. Big players don't give a shit about fraction-of-a-percent changes in the value of a currency when they can still rely on the overall strength of the US economy/stock market to get them fat returns compared to all other methods of investing. The US is the center of the economic universe and anyone with a brain is going to continue contributing to that paradigm because it directly benefits them.

>>55740562
If your dollars are worth more next month, why not use your more powerful dollars to continue investing in the stock market?

>>55740563
It's bad in the short term only because a bunch of faggot speculators are going to try swinging it

>>55740562
the only thing we should thank the Brits for is the free guns we looted from their corpses in 1776

>>55740580
You still aren't getting it. It doesn't matter if his port is 30k or 30000k. He made the active conscious decision to short the US.

>>55740564
Yen is up this premarket, DXY down.
Stocks also down.

At what point will you finally accept that you're wrong?

the us got clapped by fitch and prominent politicians are also shorting
if youre buying the clip are you getting clapped and heemed and dilated

>>55739947
>Sitting congressman shorting the US
Is there anything in the world that should be more obviously illegal?

>this absolutely euphoric bobo
yeah the bottom is in

not shorting america is the cuckest thing you can do honestly

>>55740609
all government employees should be forced to be bogleheads and own total market indices

>>55740606
This. Our faggot politicians are shorting the market.

>>55740372
Every thread for the past 3 years has been progressively worse than the previous one. So that means every thread you're posting in, that's the worst thread ever.

>>55740494
I like slashdot as well but this plan feels retarded.

>>55740595
>Foreign investors don't matter as much as you're making out.
Lol.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/who-owns-us-stock-foreigners-and-rich-americans#:~:text=Our%20new%20analysis%20shows%20that,is%20most%20of%20the%20rest.
>Our new analysis shows that foreign investors owned about 40 percent of US corporate equity in 2019, up substantially over the last few decades. Retirement accounts of US households owned about 30 percent in 2019, and the taxable accounts of US investors owned about 25 percent, which is most of the rest.
Yeah, 40% sure doesn't matter.

>>55740605
My friend, it is not a straight line lmao. It isn't
"hey, sell the yen straight to 150, not a single uptick!"
the dollar has gone up 2% in a week. this is a huge move. it is completely normal to see retracement lol
yields are up huge today, buddy, look at the 10yr

>>55740613
i do this on every red day come on now
but you really should take the fitch thing seriously
niggas be gettin clapped and you dont have to be one of them

>>55740598
He's getting it fine, everyone understands what you are saying. You're the one who is somehow surprised by some shitbag politician looking out for number one. You don't actually believe that politicians care about their constituents, do you?

>>55740598
do you really not know what hedging is?

Getting nervous Bobo? The AI fueled bull rally is just getting started. Soxl to $50 and Nvidia to $750 easy. Semis are gonna drag the market into the green

>>55740634
>>55740595
>>55740586

>>55740645
No he's not getting it otherwise he would know that shit is about to hit the fan real soon when congressmen are preparing for a market crash.

>>55740637
>Take the Fitch thing seriously
>Totally ignore that Fitch is owned by Hearst, recently upgraded fucking BRAZIL, and mentioned January 6th as part of their reasoning for the downgrade
Shills begone

Golden oil bull is back, saudis extending cut

>>55740637
im trading 10% my position size of last week, which was enormously profitable. i'm hesitant. and i'm obviously down on the week. but it sounds like you need a lot more reassurance than I do right now bobo.

>>55740634
>My friend, it is not a straight line lmao. It isn't
So, you accept short term predictive power is bad.
Long term predictive power is also bad, as is easily shown by positive 10y DXY move coinciding with a massive really in US stocks (meanwhile global stocks ex-US underperformed).

So... you're just wrong then?

>>55740651
>Getting nervous Bobo?
Not at all - in fact, I expect there to be a relief rally from AMZN / AAPL, I would be genuinely surprised if we continue falling after their earnings. Gotta shake out the weak bobo hands, before the continuation to the downside. Gotta end the week closer flat, can't have too many puts expire ITM.
Mumu will see this and claim victory, when it does not change the bobo thesis whatsoever. Mumu cares about right now, right this minute. Bobo is in no rush, slow and steady, as it is inevitable

>>55740637
I have a pretty big cash position and I'm actually waiting for a decent correction to go back in. Stop getting my hopes up every time the market has a tiny red day when everything on watchlist is still up by like 30-50% this year.

>stock market is real bro, just trade!

>>55740656
have a look at the 2011 charts when s&p downgraded america
now take a look at today, at multi year highs
why arent you short idiot? you just wanna get clapped like a strippers ass cheeks and thats okay but you shouldnt do that with your money

>OIL
>Saudis be like
https://youtu.be/CxwWDx-KPY8?si=eIIfYAGVYbsoCh4h&t=2670

>>55740634
Yeah that 40% is in index funds owned by pension funds. It's not actively managed or retail Investors. You can think of it as a non issue

>>55740664
Jesus christ. Are you the same faggot from yesterday who insists that higher yields and a stronger dollar is bullish for stocks?
You're wrong retard. Lmao. You're wrong.
>NO!!! THE EARTH IS FLAT!!!!
>I INSIST!!!
>THE EARTH IS FLAT!!!!
>HIGHER YIELDS ARE BULLISH!!!!
>A STRONGER DOLLAR IS BULLISH!!!!
>I ALSO LIKE TO DRINK GLUE AND SNORT CAT FOOD!!!!

>>55740680
people don't realize how powerful the near 0% interest rates were for easy cheap debt for companies

>>55740629
yep, sure af does

>>55740664
The people freaking out about the dollar have unironically been completely wrong every time since I started paying attention to their drivel in 2020. Every single time. It's always some dipshit who thinks they're an authority because they read a book about it written before the internet was widely used.

>>55738998
japan? since they don't know how to connect with other people they developed a lot of weird fetishes to compensate for their lack of human touch, ngmi

>>55740696
???
I keep hearing you say this in /smg/ lmao. What the fuck are you talking about.
Prior to the 2022 crash, we were warning non-stop that the Fed need to raise interest rates to fight inflation would cause the dollar to sharply rise, which would make stocks fall.
The DXY rose from 95 to 112, the S&P500 fell 20%, Nasdaq 33%
>durr currencies don't matter!!!
>durr currency moves have no predictive power!!!
Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about

>>55740605
HUH, would you look at that, DXY just went green
HOW UNUSUAL
You're retarded. Kill yourself.

>futes

>>55740680
Look man, you post wrong info in this thread and I'm going to correct you. Your DXY thesis is wrong. Simple as.
You don't have to listen, you don't have to reply.
But everyone who's read the full conversation knows that you're wrong. I'm posting for the few people that might be deluded by your rambling because they see a fat wall of text acting serious and assume he must be a smart dude. I know full well that you'll never accept it. I've dealt with plenty of people in my life incapable of admitting their errors.

If you want to see some data that's actually bearish, check out 30y TIPS. Just spiked near 2%. As long as that's rising, there'll be pressure on stocks. That's the real yield.

I baked!
>>55740723

did i seriously just fukcing buy the generationla top what the fuck shuld i sell and take the loss???

>>55740729
>But everyone who's read the full conversation knows that you're wrong.
Lmaooo. Anon. Anyone reading the conversation knows you're a fucking retard.
Everybody, and I mean everybody, who isn't a kindergartener, understands that
>Higher yields are bearish
>Stronger dollar is bearish
You are literally the only retard in /smg/ who doesn't understand this. Literally.
Even the retarded redd*t newfag zoomer tourists understand this. You are literally worse than the redd*t newfag zoomer tourists.

>>55740741
lol. lmao. rofl. cope. seethe. What else?

>>55740758
Seethe more retard. Seethe more.
Higher yields are bearish.
A stronger dollar is bearish.
Continue to believe in your asinine delusions if you want. You're clearly retarded, clearly past convincing.
I will not try and convince a flat Earther that the Earth isn't flat. It's not worth it. You cannot speak sense into a retard.

>>55740664
>10y move in dxy corresponds to the 10 year move in US stocks
This nigger cannot read a chart lmao

>>55740778
He's retarded. Genuinely. Had a 2 hour conversation with him yesterday. Unironically, this is what he said
>SEE, INTEREST RATES ARE HIGHER NOW THAN THEY WERE IN 2018
>SEE, THE DOLLAR IS HIGHER NOW THAN IT WAS IN 2018
>THE MARKET IS HIGHER NOW THAN IT WAS IN 2018
>CLEARLY, HIGHER YIELDS ARE BULLISH FOR STOCK PRICES!
>CLEARLY, A STRONGER DOLLAR IS BULLISH FOR STOCK PRICES!
he's literally, and I mean literally retarded
I wouldn't overuse this term literally, if I didn't mean it, literally.

>>55740769
Oh yeah, I forgot the original:
faggot

>You cannot speak sense into a retard.
At least you understand that you'll never understand. That's a start.

>>55740769
>I will not try and convince a flat Earther that the Earth isn't flat. It's not worth it. You cannot speak sense into a retard.
I convinced a flat Earther the Earth isn't flat by saying, "If the Earth is flat how can astrology be real." You have to just hit them with something even more retarded, and it'll work even if it's for the wrong reason. Like when something breaks so you hit it with a hammer and it starts working again.

>>55740794
>you understand that you'll never understand
Yes, I will never understand how you are so retarded. Genuinely. I will never understand how you are so retarded but so ego'd out. How someone could be so wrong, but so sure of themselves. I will never understand how someone could be this retarded, how someone could think that higher yields are bullish, that a stronger dollar is bullish for stock prices.
You're right, I will never understand your retardation.

>>55740807
Cool story dude

REDDIT BUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUY

>>55740797
Are you a congressman ?

>>55740797
KEK!

>>55740696
>2020
lmao that's basically yesterday. You made it sound like you were hearing about mad max 20 years ago.