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>>55643791
Trezor model T

>>55643791
I have a Trevor model T

>>55643878
>>55643881

This guy says Trezor is globohomo: https://youtu.be/zp012aP0ZFA

Something about how their approach to coinjoin is anti-privacy, yada yada.

>>55643791
Tangem cards

Is bitbox02 serious? If you lose both your device and the SD backup, it's gone forever? What about a seed phrase?

>>55643972

Thank you - looking it up.

>>55643791
These are all overpriced and unnecessary. Just get a Trezor, they’re phenomenal. Just get a Trezor Model One. Tor enabled + Open sourced code + Coin join features.

>>55643881
>>55643878
Model T is completely unnecessary if you’re just stacking Bitcoin.

>>55643976
sounds fukked up
better stay away

>>55643791
cold card + 9v airgap or kys, anyone who answers differently is a fucking moronic retard cunt

>>55643791
bitbox, trezor, and ledger

>>55644104

I'm leaning this way. But also thinking of 3 Jades with multi-sig. Idk, I'm too much of a brainlet at this point. I can discern that Cold Card users are high IQ though.

why not just use a spare android phone only for that purpose?

been serving me nicely for years now

>>55644183
if you're a brainlet dont buy crypto

>>55643976
You can produce a seed phrase and restore it if you lose the device/sd card.

>>55644310

Oh okay thanks for letting me know. They should probably say that on the backup screen then..

>>55644230
What if an update bricks it

>>55644391
My last android phone randomly bricked
So yeah, probably don’t do that

>>55644391
well thats one of my concerns
>you dont need to update it...just disable it

>>55643791
My favorite is my keystone, but I love my trezors as well (have a model one and a model t)

anybody use the blockstream jade? thinking of switching from a pitrezor

>>55644645

I'd also like to hear from anyone who has a Jade. Is it fully airgapped now at this point with the camera?

I'm going to buy a trezor today based off the first few replies I read ITT. Any fud before I pull the trigger?

>>55644933
Good choice. I have been extremely satisfied with Trezor. The only thing to know, if you’re just sticking with BTC/ETH get a Trezor One, the Model T is overkill unless you have a lot of altcoins, then it’s needed. The One doesn’t support very many, just ETH tokens, Dogecoin and LTC I believe.

>>55644960
Can I uninstall apps to make room?
I have a ledger which got me doxed and now the sharing passphrase shit. So the trezor will be long term holds I stick in my pooper and never touch.

>>55644933

Yes, see >>55643923

>>55644977
it doesnt work like ledger, nothing to (un)install to make space

btw if you already have a ledger it's not that urgent, you can wait a few months for black friday to get it for 47$

>>55644101
bitbox is one of the most secure option

>>55644977
It’s not like Ledger. There’s nothing to install in the first place, everything is done on the Trezor app on your desktop. I got a Ledger after having used Trezor for years, and have found myself really annoyed constantly fiddling with the Ledger for all the different apps. Trezor is different, you don’t have to mess around with it on the interface of the physical Trezor.

https://thebitcoinhole.com/

^A great way to compare features of wallets.

>>55644183
for good reason

blockstream jade literally phones home to a server.

its only really secure as a multisig option, which is overkill

coldcard is the best thing on the market for off the shelf Bitcoin security

except MAYBE seedsigner, which you can build yourself from unassuming parts which can be very stealthy.

>>55643791
https://www.bitaddress.org/bitaddress.org-v3.3.0-SHA256-dec17c07685e1870960903d8f58090475b25af946fe95a734f88408cef4aa194.html

just run the html file offline. tinfoil hat points if you generate your keys on an old tower with the network cards taken out.

>>55643976
You can go in and get the seed. They sell steal plates for backing that up as well. You can also add a 25th word.

>>55645505

Do you know if you can use a 25th word with ColdCard? I like the 25th word feature for single sig:

>Wallet
>24 words on steel plate hidden somewhere else
>25th word memorized or also hidden somewhere else

My only reservation is the bitbox02 isn't airgapped, but they argue that it wasn't necessary or something.. (I'm about to read their article below):

https://bitbox.swiss/blog/does-airgap-make-bitcoin-hardware-wallets-more-secure/#conclusion

>>55645043
What's your recommendation?
>>55645123
Probably will, it's more to split my crypto up so I can't be bogged.

>>55645670

Well I'm the OP asking for recommendations ITT. I'm trying to decide between bitbox02 and coldcard.

>>55644183
coldcard is just a midwit trap

never use more than one of the same hardware wallet company's devices if you're doing a multisig. it's pointless.

>>55645336
seedsigner is just as fundamentally compromised as coldcard, ledger, all of them are. anything that only exists for cryptocurrency signing is a massive target and you can't avoid that with security theater like "airgapping" and other marketing gimmicks.

>>55645960

Then would the best practice be to multi-sig with at least 3 different wallets?

>>55646013
i'm almost certain you don't need "best practices" because you're not running an exchange or a billionaire, so don't obsess over marketing people trying to sell you consumer devices.

any of the top 3-5 most popular hardware wallets are secure enough to use (even ledger but nobody should be dumb enough to buy anything from them after they leaked their customers info).

you don't need some crazy multisig setup and most hardware wallets make multisig less secure because they don't properly validate change addresses because they don't import and process the other parts of the multisig, just blindly sign their share. a single signature and passphrase is good enough unless you have a lot of money.

if you want multisig then you need to be careful about buying devices that can fully verify multisig, ledger recently can, coldcard and bitbox can, maybe trezor. don't use more than one device or company per share or it defeats the point. 2/3 is fine but prefer 3/5 and just make one of them a reasonably secure mobile or desktop wallet or an offline machine for extra security.

>>55646060

Thanks so much for the perspective - I really appreciate it. I'll go with single-sig for now with a 25th word. I still can't decide - ColdCard or Bitbox02? Which would you prefer?

>>55646252
depends if you have any intention of holding anything other than bitcoin. even if you don't today i'd feel stupid having to buy another one just because i decided to use ethereum for something down the line.

the only thing i dont like is bitbox's terrible desktop software. if that's not necessary for firmware updates and management then i'd go with that. coldcard only makes sense for people who have a bizarre set of priorities or philosophical about using something that can only ever support bitcoin.

>>55644086
the only issue with the trezor is the shitty png size limit. You really need to compress your image to get it down to the correct size

>>55644286
honestly? based. keepass is so underrated

>>55643791
This is why I stack gold.

>>55645701
Coldcard looks easy to break so bitbox02 it may well be

>>55646341

I think I'm going with the Bitbox02 as well. ColdCard is a closed blackbox secure chip and technically isn't open source. Probably okay but I tend to like open source, so Bitbox02 in this regard.

>>55646293

Thanks again for your advice - appreciate the help. Gonna wait one more night and make my final decision tomorrow.