/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55337871
Works on my machine.

My degree (beyond just the CS) at least gave me the background to understand crypto investing very well.
I made $800k net worth @ age 30. I currently make $250k/year, but I'm not taking another gay software engineering job

I have some regrets around my life path in this regard, but I at least made some money. Without that, it would be much tougher to cope. Extremely faggy field due to the reasons you mentioned and more. It's even dumber to get into CS as an American who doesn't need a work visa

I'm in the midst of switching to product management or even out of tech all together if need be.

>>55337871
I had a feeling the industry was always too good to be true. Plus all the computer nerd shit was too boring to learn. Finance is so easy and actually fun

>>55337871

Your post implies that there was point where this all wasn't true.

That being said, I don't disagree with your list, but it really isn't that bad for the pay.

If the pay drops, then yeah it would suck

I am unironically considering to say that I am trans and wearing girly clothes just to have a better chance of getting hired...

>>55337871
What was the alternative? Being some cuck doctor or soientist? Working the trades and coming home smelling like shit and fucking up my body?

>>55337871
>entry level job
>5+ years experience with a very specific development platform
>have to be fluent in 6+ different programming languages
>job barely pays 60k/year

>>55337871
yep 2023. don t go in CS now especialy in US. my compny is moving to SA for cheap coder and good time zone (india is annoying for timezone) do plumber you will have a more future proof job

>so much more
i so demorilidzed poopoo peepee

What the fuck does CS even monetize with? What websites even generate valuable data or income? 4chan? Reddit? Facebook? Shitty streaming services? Linux devs that do it for free? No wonder the biggest "tech" companies are microsoft and apple. The former just blackmails your company into using their shitty buggy pajeet projects and the latter makes overpriced landwaste distraction toys. Unix was the biggest waste of an invention ever made. No wonder the economy is still in the 1970s and the most profitable use of computers is wasting energy for bitcoin.

>>55337903
>What was the alternative? Being some cuck doctor or soientist?
One alternative for me (as I actually went to a top 10 university with rich kids) was MBB consulting, which is a WAYYYY better lifestyle than technology.

I was a public school kid that UChicago let in with 2/3 need-based aid. I didn't understand how to work the game. Everyone that wasn't autistic, incel-tier depressed, a faggot, or troon went into banking, boston consulting group, their dad's company, or at least fucking medicine (while having parents fund their LA lifestlye). Ending up

These are mainly not careers you just get into by just studying some stuff like leetcode and showing up for an interview. You're supposed to be vetted into the club and have the right ((pedigree)).
AMA

I wish I did cs
I did EE and now I’m limited to working in high COL areas for pathetic salaries (70k)

>>55337910
>>job barely pays 60k/year
Bro, why would you even subject yourself to this?
I'd sooner go teach English in Vietnam than code for $60k. At least you would be banging Viet cuties left and right. That's extremely cucked unless you're desperate.

I think what a lot of software engineering type guys lose sight of was their original vison: that studying hard things would IMPROVE their life. Check in with yourselves on whether it is actually doing that or you're actually just kinda trapped

>>55338009
>just go to Asia and COOOOM bro…
kys
You’re a dumb faggot

>>55337992
thanks man but literally everyone knows this, uchicago isn't special, and neither is going to public school. get some self-awareness

>>55337871
just do machine learning you brainlets. Same goldmine is there now for the next 5-10 years.

>>55338062
>brainlets

>machine learning

>>55337871
Fell for the CS meme, graduated (barely). Realized I can't actually code for shit and ended up doing digital marketing of all things.

Boomers & Zoomers impressed with basic HTML/CSS so there's that. Market/Industry is shit however. Neeting it up after getting axed.

If I could go back I would of done graphic design but knowing AI is wrecking this industry who knows, maybe something in the trades.

>>55337874
kek'd
>>55337899
I'm a beans and I'm still having a hard time getting hired. I guess when they look at me they realized I'm on the conquistador side of things and not fresh off the boat.

>>55338009
I fell for "making the world a better place" idealism that came with learning CS. I quickly realized I'm shit at it and not only that, didn't really care for the world around me. I wanted to stop surviving and be comfy and that CS degree was supposed to be that way out.

>>55337992
I'm 31 KHV Dyel balding manlet. I feel like the biggest fuck up off my group and family. I did leetcode, I did hackathons but came short. How do you even get vetted at any club at this point of the game, especially when its already over. Is this really it?

>>55338053
>thanks man but literally everyone knows this, uchicago isn't special, and neither is going to public school. get some self-awareness
I'm not sure how you read what I had to say and interpreted it as me implying public school is special. I was noting it as a detractor in me being able to recognize just how special UChicago was at the time. I didn't know how to properly value it.
I would stand by it being a much better education than 99% of biz.
>>55338052
>>just go to Asia and COOOOM bro…
>kys
It shouldn't be plan A, but I maintain it's a better life than $60k/year engineering.That said, I do live in Asia and coomed in over 20 filipinas and a Japanese girl year to date. kek.
>>55338085
>I quickly realized I'm shit at it and not only that, didn't really care for the world around me.
Try pivoting hard to product management if you still need money. Switch to something else entirely if you don't. One observation I had is that having good soft skills/confidence/etc is MUCH EASIER when you're not neurotically giving a shit about 15 technologies
>>55338085
>I wanted to stop surviving and be comfy and that CS degree was supposed to be that way out.
If you still want to take one more stab at the engineering side, unironically grind leetcode until you can do some mediums. target BIG tech companies where the founders have already had an exit event and now the shareholders just need you and some jeets to mostly maintain it. Make interviewing your main skill
>>55338085
>How do you even get vetted at any club at this point of the game, especially when its already over. Is this really it?
You realistically don't. These clubs start in childhood. Think neighborhoods of kids that went to $50k/year k-12 (or at least high school) together. You don't commonly show up off the streets at 31, as pretty much a pure value taker, and crack that. It's OK to accept that that isn't our life.
Our best stab at it if we wanted to would be attending a top MBA program.

>>55338271
Thanks for the honest responses. How does one even get into product management or managerial side of things?

Been at this for roughly 5 years, more if you count college exp I guess. As far as being confident/soft skills it depends sometimes I fumble it but more often I can have these HR/manager types laughing and eating out of my hand.
>still autistic when it comes to women or just talking to regular NPCs

>"You realistically don't."
Has anyone had any success with those networking events, boomer country club types? For reference my old boss owns a small agency and although he's not the biggest fish in the pond he does all right for himself and because him and his wife own their own companies they tend to rub shoulders with doctors, lawyers, etc. Almost like a snowball of positive connections.

I guess if I'm asking all this is I'm dead tired of marketing, of the CS meme, and of the very real possibility of waging for boomer/zoomer cunts in a never ending rat race.

>>55338053
honestly quite a respectable school and i don't think anon was trying to brag

>>55337871
WFH ending is actually good news for tech workers. If your job is entirely WFH it will eventually be sent overseas to be done cheaper. Only a small number of highly skilled elite workers will be able to demand WFH. For everyone else it's back to the office cubicle.

>>55337871
Yes it's extremely annoying staying on top of education and certifications, but the trick is to find the company you want to retire from and then coast while not worrying about the 294 certs that are expiring in 2 months. If you chose the right company, you won't have to worry about them going under. My IT director is a tech DINOSAUR and probably makes over 200k/yr. He rubs elbows with all the upper management so no risk of him ever being fired.

I can't write a lick of code and make 90k/yr as a sysadmin. It's pretty comfy, I just do disaster recovery, a little bit of tier 1 help desk, windows server admin, networking, etc, etc... The trick is to not work for the fortune 500s that have 8 different layers of middle management that want to make sure you're Team's activity is green at all times and question why you didn't respond to Becky in Finance's ticket in 10 minutes.

I ultimately plan on moving towards an Azure cloud engineer or some other sort of cloud management. The days on on-prem environments are long gone and business is going to be done in the cloud in the future.

>>55337871
CS chad here, potentially have the ultimate role locked in that has zero support only engineering. If I don't get this I'll be going to do some trade or something because i can't do it support anymore.

Fuck, please don’t let software engineering get #MechanicalEngineer’d

>>55338505
>make 90k/yr as a sysadmin
How many hours a week?

>all those idiots thinking his CS grade matters in the long term
Once the infrastructure's running, there's no point in hiring people in mass, just need to retain some schmucks to maintain the code and a small team to add some shitty features.

Tech jobs are always and have been designed to be a short-term career, that's why the pay's so good.
Please don't tell me you didn't know it, you fucking grifters

>>55338538
please god let software engineering get mechanical engineerd
>a return to rational housing market
>the death of the simp economy
>tradies can no longer able to gouge people since there aren't any overcompensated limpdicks willing to pay through the nose
a dream come true

>>55337992
The addendum is that those same jews are wondering why their society is breaking down kek.

>>55337871
I just got my first wfh tech job and no cs degree. It did take me 6 months of tons of applications and bullshit interviews but I finally landed something good. When I was about to give up and stop giving a fuck is actually when something worked out. I think not caring helped me do better in the interview process honestly.

>>55338584
Don't listen to retards like this. Tech isn't going anywhere.

>>55337871
>keeps working from home

>>55338587
Housing market ain't reverting. Class mobility is perma nerfed
Just accept owning foreign property instead like I did

Housing in Japan is cheap. Same with Mexico or Romania.

I've been in the industry 10 years and I have reached my breaking point. Reason mostly just constant chucklehead/retard management and smiling HR ladies happily hiring 1000 poos who are incapable of writing working code. My brother (who feels the same way, also in tech) and I are taking 6 months off to build our own company. Wish us luck anons.

You whiny fucks have been bragging about 250k starting salaries for 2 hours of make work per week, from home I might add, for 5 years running. And now all of a sudden CS was a mistake?

>>55338736
They were trolls retard

>>55338722
Yeah the jeets don't really even try half the time. Good luck. What is your angle

>>55337903
Even more so in Canada. Everyone who doesn't work in Tech, Finance, Medicine, or Law is a service worker or NEET. The lasts three are way more competitve and time consuming than tech aswell.

>>55337871
>people bitch about rto and retention on call
>boomer cto with a background in PM literally says everyone is replaceable in the company and its a price they are willing to pay word by word
I think its over

>>55337889
Any tricks to learning it?
I'm YouTube binging tutorials at the moment before I start my job.

Do u need a CPA or will a few yrs of bookkeeping do for a general finance job if accounting doesn't work out

>>55337992
redpill me on (((predigree)))
>t. Look Jewish enough to accurately oy vey

>>55337889
>easy
Maybe
>fun
You aren't in finance. You are in sales, a financial advisor.

Not my problem.

>>55338271
I dunno I went to a no name school and. Make 285k in infosec/cybersecurity and work remote. I pull about 30 hours a week.

College is a meme DESU but it did help me. I got my first job at a Wall Street investment bank because the CISO was an alum of the same school I went to. I filtered on LinkedIn and privately messaged him. I had no work experience but I had a git basically of me exploiting certain web apps.

He reluctantly hired me as a junior analyst but I made VP IN 2.5 years and then job hoppped to a fintech to double my salary lol .

Not sure why no one takes the infosec pill but I guess to be good at it you need severe OCD and be ok with wrappping your head around 5+ IT niches at a time.

I’m not done making money by the way. I’m pretty young so eventually I’ll go for a.CISO role in financial services space and level up to 500k+

>>55337883
if you were lets say a late twenties min wagie going to community college for the first time starting the coming fall semester, which direction would you point them to? (eyes emoji)

>>55337871
I work from home doing mostly simple react frontend stuff as a “senior consultant”. Pay is top 1-2% in the uk and there’s very little oversight aside from a daily 10 minute meeting. Hiring managers are always complaining they can’t find enough talent.

I'm going to college next year, recommend me a career path please, I was going for CS but you guys are bumming me HARD. No med or law school. Thank you.

>>55337871
Learn to build

I loved coding, but I ended up getting into construction and landscaping. I enjoy it sure, but working generally is shit. I was considering teaching myself again and getting an easy IT job. Even apprentices make good money and work for maybe 1-2 hours a day. Is this a good idea anons? I would probably still carry on with my trade, just want some easy bux. 23 btw

>>55337871
CS is one of countless examples of why you should never trust the media and if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. I don't think I regret it because I have the diploma and the subject itself is something complex that I am able to understand and it lets me know I am a cut above the layperson in at least one aspect of my life. It's a minor white pill in a blackpilled existence.

>>55341335
How much do you make an hour and what's the most you think you can make an hour in your current field?

>>55337960
Companies always need a website built, or a database maintained, or a customization added to their platform. There’s always something.

>>55337871
Kek, you and most of anons here with a CS coding degree are just code-monkeys.
If you really want a chill job, learn to be a network admin.
Most of CS anons are not even thinking into the right directions, just stop coding and learn something new in IT.
Blue-team security jobs can be comfy .

>>55341475
>coding
You have no idea what you’re talking about lol

Man I feel so stupid falling for the CS meme. The only thing that matters in life is connections and social skills. If I could go back I would have either gone to med school or done some meme degree like psychology and then have my family pester some politican for a comfy public service job which is actually not that hard to get and has 0 deadlines, performance reviews or possibility of getting fired (you can go to prison and still get your monthly wage)

Instead I'm a 9-5 wagie in a job that clearly doesn't need me or half the other engineers on board. My plan originally was to jump to FAANg but seeing the market I think i'll just stick to my bank job since it at least offers some job security compared to FAANg, start-ups etc

>>55337871
Jumping into CS in current year is like jumping into crypto in current year. CS golden years was pre 2000. If you got in then, you'll be fine. Anyone jumping in now and getting a CS degree is just another CS degree out of the millions available on the market. Anyway I'm an old fag that Got into IT back in the 90's right after highschool.

>>55341693
>pre 2000
holy shit how dumb are you. why are 4trannys so divorced from reality? it’s just constant spewing bullshit to paint a narrative that isn’t even real.

>>55341202
>taking 4tranny demoralization seriously from 15 year old chuds in mommy’s basement with 0 experience in reality

I am a programmer from the third world and am enjoying slurping on your jobs, kind sirs.
I actually mean it - as a contractor from a shitty country, I actually noticed a growth in contractor opportunities in US and especially European companies in the last 6 months.

>>55337920
>all the highly paid jobs are disappearing
>somehow plumbers will still have plenty of customers willing and able to pay them $300/hr
>Meanwhile a portion of the newly unemployed techies are getting into plumbing, putting further downward pressure on their pay
Lemme know how it works out for you.

>>55337960
Apparently there are so many people clicking on popups and tiny adwords ads that it funds the biggest companies into the trillions. Google makes more than exxon. Who the hell are these people who click on ads and proceed to buy this shit?

CS is oversaturated, wages are half of what they were in 2015 even before inflation

Learn to weld or build stuff, lots of construction and trades jobs are starting to pay 100k+

>>55337871
>How many of you regret your CS degree
Where can I get a Counter Strike degree?

>>55341704
>>55341717
Pajeet assmad he gettin deported soon after chatgpt took his spaghetti code job

>>55337871
I am so glad CS summer is over and all you useless faggots are getting kicked out. It was miserable having to deal with all the new workers being scammer money chasers with no actual interest in the field. All that whining about having to keep your skills up? That happens on its own when you're actually working. Bad management? A symptom of the boom. There are plenty of good managers in the field, who got drowned under game players. And you niggers created the deep distrust with WFH by doing literally nothing for weeks at a time. Code camp holocaust can't come soon enough.

>>55341933
This. Cognitive jobs will be automated way before manual ones. Not to mention with the collapse of the USD and ascendance of the resource economy, material things like houses, mining etc will become much better paid

>>55337871
> anon it's so simple just be able to implement within 10 minutes all of these data structures and algorithms perfectly
> Array, Stack, Queue, Linked List, Hash Table, Binary Tree, Heap, Trie, Graph, Map, Set, Red-Black Tree, AVL Tree, B-Tree, B+ Tree, Splay Tree, KD-Tree, Skip List, Bloom Filter, Disjoint Set, Multimap, Multiset, Circular Buffer, Sparse Matrix, Binary Search, Quick Sort, Bubble Sort, Insertion Sort, Selection Sort, Heap Sort, Merge Sort, Radix Sort, Counting Sort, Bucket Sort, Shell Sort, Tim Sort, Tree Sort, Cubesort, Quicksort, Breadth-First Search, Depth-First Search, Uniform Cost Search, Greedy Best-First Search, A* Search, Dijkstra's Algorithm, Bellman-Ford Algorithm, Floyd-Warshall Algorithm, Kruskal's Algorithm, Prim's Algorithm, Edmonds’ Minimum Spanning Tree Algorithm, Ford-Fulkerson Algorithm, Knapsack Problem, Traveling Salesman Problem, Hanoi Tower Problem, Longest Common Subsequence, Dynamic Programming, Binary Search, Divide and Conquer, Backtracking, Branch and Bound, Knuth–Morris–Pratt (KMP) Algorithm, Rabin-Karp Algorithm
> easy
> oh and also understand in depth all of these things
> Scalability, Load Balancing, Caching, Database Sharding, CAP Theorem, ACID vs BASE properties, SQL vs NoSQL Databases, Data Replication, Consistent Hashing, Fault Tolerance, High Availability, API Design, Microservices vs Monolithic Architecture, MVC Architecture, Design Patterns (like Singleton, Factory, Observer), Concurrency and Multithreading, Message Queues, Stream Processing, Networking Basics (TCP/IP, HTTP, DNS), IP Addressing, SSL/TLS, Firewalls, CDNs, Server Technologies (Apache, Nginx), Containerization (Docker, Kubernetes), Cloud Services (IaaS, PaaS, SaaS), AWS, Azure, Google Cloud Platform, DevOps, Agile, Scrum, CI/CD, Monitoring, Logging.
> and then pass this behavioral interview come up with scripted responses to 30 different possible scenarios
> all this to get hired to create a generic CRUD service

>>55341202
30yo boomer here, if you like Tech just go for it don't listen to what the faggots ITT are saying

>>55341202
Consider pursuing a career in government, academia (faculty or admin), or in finance/financial services. They suck but if you’re not willing to entertain a career in healthcare or law, these are your next best options.

>>55342526
I almost have a hard time believing that people actually like tech.

>>55337883
>he needed a degree to to understand craptocurrencies

I've got a $500k networth at 28 and plan to sell my company by 30 and hit $1mil. All from my CS degree and a steady cyber security job.

But, once I sell and pay off my house, my plan is to sit with $500k invested and take up a trade. Trades are destined to boom since Zoomers won't do it, and anyone with any competency will blow the average tradie out of the water.

>>55337871
So you got into an industry that exists on constant innovation but you just don't like to learn, that's what I'm getting here. At the end of the day it's really a "you" problem. WFH is gonna do fine despite the pressure from commercial real estate and cock suckers in finance seething over it all. The job market isn't the best but it's not dead. Unironically pull yourself up by your bootstraps and give them a firm handshake.

>>55338736
Boomslop post

>>55337871
I regret it a lot Anon. Shit I wish I have had a mentor in life…I am my own and I learn as I keep on living. Your post is also on point. Life is indeed an eternal suffering. Learning through hardship. Is it the only way?

tech jobs aren't finished. just because you hate the industry doesn't mean that they are finished.

I just do some SQL stuff and make over $70k a year (more like $85k after yearly bonus).
I don't think I will be outsourced to AI or Indians anytime soon because management wants some guy in the meeting rooms to talk to.

>>55341202
Software engineering is still the best path to a comfy high salary job despite what anons would have you believe

>>55337871
How over is it for me if I only get $100k starting salary for my first job? I thought new grads were supposed to be hitting 200k...

>>55337871
I don't understand why there are so many normies in CS. I started this shit because I expected to be with likeminded people, instead it's just the same shit as everything else.

>>55340197
If you really did work on Wall Street then you should know that your income is a pittance to certain circles of people in this country.

>>55344616
This was never really true, only people hitting 200k starting were autistic east asian ML whiz kids who graduated from stamford. For everybody else starting is 100-140

>>55337871
>WFH getting eviscerated
It's like half a dozen big companies bowing to pressure from (((shareholders)))
>If you don't spend years of your life keeping your "skills" up to date every few years, then you have zero chance of career advancement nor job/salary gouging
Skill issue. I have 5 yoe and never had to learn something outside work hours except studying DSA for interviews

>Painfully inept, incompetent, just out of touch management no matter which team you end up on, if you miraculously get hired
Well, yeah, but this isn't industry specific and some companies are better than others

>YET ANOTHER CS FUD THREAD

'Ahhhhh I'm only being paid 100k a year and my managers are annoying, plus like AI is coming in two more weeks. Don't pick CS bros do a trade and crawl around in shit fixing pipes every day for the next 40 years trust me'

This is how you faggots sound kek

>>55337871
Has anyone realized how as time progresses tech jobs become easier and easier to do? Im only required to log in 1 hour a day for a meeting and then MAYBE answer an email if any problem arises.
Meanwhile investing in teehee or any other memecoin takes far more time and makes me double the money (I dcaa btw)

>>55337889
>Finance is so easy and actually fun
Mate I work in tech at a big investment bank. In the first weeks after joining I was at a social event with the other new joiners, I had guys from trading tell me that they have to wake up at 3am because someone from asia is calling them and needs something right then and there. No, it's not fun

>>55337871
Skill issue

>>55337871

You must be doing something wrong.

I have a GED, no IT experience except what I know from building my own gaming PCs and last month, after getting my Comptia A+ and setting up a LinkedIn profile, I was contacted by a recruiter who got me a Helpdesk Analyst job making $145K/yr and I get to work from home or go into the office, my choice.

>>55345168
This. It's laugable honestly.

>>55345417
>Helpdesk Analyst job making $145K/yr
Lol, kek, lmao even

>>55337871
I really hate work as a developer. I feel like I’m wasting my time doing this. I’m saving up and starting a business or doing game dev for 6 months.

>>55339014
>redpill me on (((predigree)))
Basically, the knowledge is free (MIT opencourseware, Harvard CS 50, etc), but the in-person Jewish networking is most definitely not. Many roles in i-banking, private equity, etc are much easier than >>55337910's $60k/year software job, so how do they pick who gets it from among the sea of humans that could technically perform it? Connections, network, friends.


That's why rich families push their kids towards finance. They can still live an upper class life without needing a 97th percentile IQ and competition against a billion chinks and jeets. STEMcelling is the imported labor role. The upper class finances the operation

>>55338736
>250k starting salaries for 2 hours of make work per week, from home
If people truly only worked 2 hours at home then why the fuck would the company allow it lmao? The reality is probably not even close to that bad and they're still cutting down on wfh. I've seen how those larpers actually operate, when they say 2 hours the reality is closer to 12 hours.

>>55347011
12 hours per day*

>>55346808
>so how do they pick who gets it from among the sea of humans that could technically perform it? Connections, network, friends.
Honestly this probably applies to most jobs.

>>55346613
I do game deving

But unless you're doing the patreon coom route you're not going to make enough money

>>55338505
This is accurate in everyway, also describes me though i my salary just went over 200k thos last review after 20 years at the company.
Unironically only need 5 more years here but senior management is in turmoil, they just let go of half the 1099's globally(this is like 20k jobs) and are knocking out longtime employees now which i am a target for. All my air cover management has been canned as a reorg at the top was a fucking knife fight. Org is now run by absolute buffoon who has zero business two levels down from his current role as svo reporting to the cio.

>>55346808
I thought finance was Walstreet where you need to be smart and ruthless.

So the rich kid ""finance"" is working for some downtown bank job at an executive or consultant level?

>26
>CS degree
>4.5 years of work experience in mainframes, got consistently high performance reviews
>0.5 more years of "work experience" since being reassigned to a much worse team. Have literally not done shit since reassignment, likely to be found out in biannual performance review.
>Slightly over 100K NW, owe money on a condo I bought
>Make $109K
Should I quit? I'd love to work in a different industry, but at the same time I know I'll never make as much money for so little effort. And I get a ton of time off now, three fucking weeks. I hate my life and my job but it all looks perfect on paper. And I'm convinced that it can only get worse compared to this.

>>55338719
Funny you bring up Japan which also had an even more ridiculous property bubble that could "only go up".

>>55342666
What’s your company do and how did you start it?

>t. self employed farmer with an unused cs/math degree wanting that sweet, sweet SaaS income

Im in school for cybersecurity based on the demand. Supply and demand rules your job leverage and pay, period. Travel nurses now make 120k for 36 hours a week because of demand. Cybersecurity is and will remain the same for a long time because technology and hackers are not going away

>>55337871
Analyst jobs seems to be rattling off the RTO that many WFH are getting now. My engineer brother went from WFH to RTO 2x a week. Sucks for him cause his company is in NYC and he lived overseas with his friends for less than $1k a month

>>55337871
>How many of you regret your CS degree like I am atm? I'm starting to think that I should've gotten an accounting degree instead
I wouldn't say I really regret it it's still better than having no degree at all. The problem is that while CS was obviously a bad degree choice in hindsight I have no idea what else I could've picked so I just went with it. I've been thinking about accounting too since there seems to be way less hype around that field than anything CS related.

>>55337903
>What was the alternative?
This seems to be the problem. Some alternatives I've been thinking about have been accounting and nursing but honestly I have even less interest in those fields than CS lmao. There truly doesn't seem to be any alternative that isn't even worse.

>>55349133
>nursing

No fucking way you'd change CS to nursing

>>55349136
Doesn't fit my personality at all but at least it shouldn't be as saturated as a field as CS as far as I know. But who knows CS was supposed to be future proof with almost infinite jobs available for all when I got scammed into it back in the day and it definitely wasn't true so maybe it's the same for accounting and nursing too lmao.

>>55349147
>but at least it shouldn't be as saturated

Right now it's not saturated but remember a lot of qualified nurses quit during COVID and before COVID, there was that time a decade ago where everyone and their mother was in college for nursing so who knows how many qualified nurses are not even in the field right now but can immediately go back if pay starts rising again

>>55349162
Yeah that's about what I've been thinking, it seems like the best timing would've been right around covid but I didn't end up going for it back then and it might be too late now.

this post was a made by a CS major trying to gatekeep

>>55337871
nope, straight chillin with my job in fagman. standard 8 hour days, with rto, but nothing extreme like IB work hours. got my degree a year ago too, companies are still hiring interns, go for it anons

>>55349219
based, but im not fudding these anons out yet

>>55349219
fud posts are always gatekeeping anon

>>55337871
>B-but the buble is bursting! This time for real! Two more weeks!
repeating the same shit like a broken record since literally forever
just accept it's a skill issue and you couldn't monetize properly on this instead of blamind jews or whatever

I see a lot of anons being a bit over-dramatic in this thread. Its bad right now, but its not THAT bad. I will say though don't get into this field if you don't genuinely enjoy it. If you're smart you might do well, but you're going to hate every minute of your life.

>>55349405
Getting into fagman has become extremely difficult though, lets not pretend most people can achieve this, or even just get the good slice of luck needed to be given a chance

/biz/
>I'm a SWE who wfh and does 1 hour of work a day

also /biz/
>don't go into tech unless you really love it because you will want to kill yourself

So which is it

Why did any of you guys think monkeys on typewriters was a good career choice?
I'm in materials engineering, which can be applied to just about any industry, and will be needed until we're all plugged into the matrix.

I propose removing the T from stem. You guys always embarrass the rest of us with short-term thinking, laziness, and pajeet-tier materialism.

>>55349999
checked, didn't read your post though

>>55350000

>>55349999
I am good at bullshitting and somebody needs to sell your material to some sucker
Also checked, not wasted

>>55344667
The real ones are self thought and usually learn to code because they want to make something they actually need.

>>55347815
I don't know anon.
I could have written most of your post word for word honestly, especially about doing something else but also knowing you will never make as much for so little effort.

>>55350477
>so little effort
i will add, that doing a job long term that is little effort can definitely mess with you a little bit(after doing it for quite awhile now). It can make the job at least seem pretty pointless.

>>55337871
You're suppose to start your own thing, dummy. Your problem is slave mentality.

>>55338722
Gl anon

>>55338722
Good luck anon.
may you grow fast and turn into the company hiring 1000's of poo's.

>>55338480
>Only a small number of highly skilled elite workers will be able to demand WFH
This is literally me
Although I also hide behind a medical excuse

>>55350856
>I also hide behind a medical excuse
explain, i use bad hip/back which are actually true, when i commnute to office my right leg and hip go numb and it takes a day for it to get back to normal.

>>55341443
Depends, Im a sole trader and sometimes do subcontract work. I get paid per project rather than hourly. So usually between £100-160 GBP a day. On occasion it can be much lower or much higher, depending on other factors.
If I get into landscape design, which I do want to, I could essentially end up charging £50-300 per hour for consultation and design work. Again, it's all by project not by hour. I would need to sacrifice my life to it if I wanted to set up a successful business tho. I just wanna make money and buy land and move to the woods

>>55350912
Epilepsy
I actually do have seizures, and there is a legal requirement to abstain from driving for 6mo after
It's easy to fake
Either get some witnesses to play along, or drink a L of vodka daily for a week straight then stop
I have doctors ready to vouch for me as well if it comes to that

>>55350944
>Epilepsy
sorry anon.

>>55350955
Death is never far away for anyone

>>55350593
>get into debt with Mr. Goldberg at Silicon Valley Bank, you schmuck!

>>55337871
Lost my job due to redundancy. Been trying to reapply for the past 2 months.

I have 3 years experience, a solid reference and a CompSci Masters.

>lead architect is some guy's wife

>>55350944
I have cluster headaches but it’s one of those things everyone thinks is bullshit and no doctor will confirm it because nothing shows up on their gay little MRI scans, even though When it happens I’m literally writhing on the floor in agony

>>55337871
imagine wagecucking, (You) had 15 years

>>55350477
>>55350572
Yeah I don't want to be too much of a moralfag but doing almost nothing, or rather not caring about the quality of your work at all, actually does seem to wear on you after a while. Sometimes I have fantasies about starting my own business, but the most likely scenario is failure and if I blow all my savings, well, then I'll have blown all my tech years, the better part of my twenties, with NOTHING to show for it. But getting another tech job, fuck. I'm not grinding leetcode, I'm not gonna study late nights for this crap anymore. I think it's over.

>>55337871
>How many of you regret your CS degree like I am atm?
Don't have one
Clear $130,000 per year WFH writing meme code in meme language
Cool FUD thread thoughever

>>55337960
Nigger everything beyond laptops and quasi-servers runs unix you dumb faggot

>>55340197
About to start CISSP but too bad im a eurocuck.. My dream job is to become a CISO or something like what you are doing. Any tips?

>>55337871
> Got CS degree

> Do a bunch of math shit. + Research and Development. Work is a bit corporate, but otherwise a lot of fun.

> Actually enjoy learning new things.

> Paid a rediculous amount of money because people won't pay attention in their math classes.

Feels pretty good. Don't regret my cs degree at all.

>>55351144
Find a Dr that specializes in cluster headaches and have them formally diagnose you and write a note
It's just like school
They built this system, so take advantage of it

>>55351311
Jfc you are me.

>>55337871
>CS degree
some get hired without a degree. Imagine how smart they are.

>>55351787
Sounds like a fucking nightmare, ngl

>>55351311
You are burnt out. Get a different job.

>>55351787
there was an "ai research" team at my uni and none of the people i talked to that were on it could explain what they were doing. i wonder for much longer researchers can get away with doing nothing

>>55344700
He's gonna make it. You've gotta start somewhere.

>>55337871
Lol lmao watching the six figure salary working 5 hours a week job bubble popping. These faggots have no other skills. Remember how smug they all were? How long did they think it would last?

>>55337871
i make $150k/yr and every day i wish I did CS instead because my friends thst did now make 2-3x more than me and work less than me. this thread is retarded

>55352115
you aren't wrong...the problem is at this point my job pays so much(way out of alignment with industry) that changing now will mean a big paycut.

>>55338505
>24
>”Network Engineer”
>community college
>95 IQ
>$50 an hour

How? or why? I do not know. I just take what God provides for me, and I try to be a nice guy

>>55352958
Is it remote

Meanwhile my job is quite safe doing physical fabrication of silicon components. Put the bunny suit on.

>>55337871
If I had to do it all again, I'd have majored in Math or Physics. CS is alright, but it's not what the techbros make it out to be.

>Get certifications in IT in 2016 because I like computers
>Get a tech support job in 2017
>Six years later, promoted to Tier II, could move over to a sysadmin or networking job if I wanted
>Absolutely despise the direction that big corporations are taking the Internet (and tech in general), just want to fuck off in to a new field entirely and/or go innawoods and never touch the Internet again
>Have no other education, so no other jobs that I could get would make enough money to survive in this clown economy
Help

>>55353797
>helpdesk for 6 years

Im sorry anon its over for you

>>55353748
what sort of work does Math lead to? or what can it give you an edge in

>>55337883
Unless you can get into medicine or a related field CS or electrical engineering is the best option. Thats just the way the world works currently

>>55355999
>>55337871

>>55353797
lol

>>55353797
6 years Helpdesk? Nigga I spent 2 and a half and was promoted, then everything went to shit, no more pay rises because australia was making a massive loss so they stole our profits since they are head office. Its been 4 years now, I am on $60k as a system engineer for a major govt department.

DO NOT TRUST A CORP ever, even if the people are good, if you get anythign remotely better LEAVE.

>>55356194
60k but you started in help desk which a fresh high school grad could get and average salary is like 35k so i'd say you made out pretty well

>>55352340
what do you do? 150k isnt bad outside of cs

>>55340197
Anon I'm freshman at cybersec degree, tips?
I play ctfs, want to learn binary exploitation/reversing, do you think a high ctf rank and a github can land a job in sec out of college with small to no experience if I won't be so lucky like you were with the dude hiring you? Everyone says it's extremely hard to get your first cybersec job straight out of college. Did you have a plan B? Have you considered other jobs, or you were aiming for an analyst position?

>>55355999
You also need grindset mentality for EE or you can easily get stuck being a cadmonkey for $60k a year

>>55354408
Math gives you a significant edge in many fields. You can teach yourself CS stuff, but it would be difficult to learn advanced math on your own. Physics would be nearly impossible to learn without a formal education. I guess you don't really "need" to study CS at a university, which is unlike other STEM majors.

>>55344700
>see someone succeeding
>get mad
pathetic nigger lmao

>>55357073
Try and get a security clearance. There's a lot of jobs that will hire you for cyber security if you can obtain secret or top secret.

>>55337871
You are just ignorant. In the web3 space as a dev you have a lot of opportunities. You can code smart contracts and dapps in any language using the QVM technology. So dyor or just keep regretting. This is pure batch attitude.

>keeping your skills up to date
What the hell are you talking about? All decently-paid jobs require constant learning like lawyers/doctors/engineers. Even tradies learn new shit that comes to market which they have to fix and install.

You just need to look in the mirror and be honest with yourself. Any work that is highly repetitive and easy to do will be taken by midwits or boomers who refuse to retire. Your only edge is constantly learning whether you like or not.

How hard is it to get into derivatives trading in the U.S.?

>>55359277
That's the truth. We have to keep ourselves upto date, the technological advancement is just phenomenal these days and I wish I learnt coding long back, but any ways I'm learning now and will explore the Hyperpolyglot smart contract engine soon.

>>55341933
would love to see a graph that had the numbers of the people that utter 'dude get into the trades lmao' who don't have a job in the trades
feels like some cringe political take at this point

every opinion ive heard on trades have ranged from 'its very hard work' to 'dont do it'

>>55337871
This thread is still up? This board is fucking dead. Any retards lurking this thread should know that tech is not dead and is still one of the best ways to make a living.

>>55337871
>be me
>work in tech all through my 20s
>wear tshirt and shorts to work, wfh whenever I want
>get laid off
>go into globocorp consulting job, wear a suit, go to the office every day
>actually sort of prefer it

People are a lot nicer and more professional, and I actually kind of enjoy the commute. Over lunch I have a sandwich and read the newspaper, I'm sort of larping as a boomer but I enjoy it. Only non-boomer thing is the 50-60 hour weeks but that's actually similar to tech, only difference is people understand its just a job and not a world-changing mission

It's surprising

>jobs in my area recruiters cannot find anyone to offload to
>the job is based in niggerville boonhills
>it's already hybrid
>if they went full remote they would be rolling in applicants
>they mandate in office
>no one wants to get shanked by jamal for $50k
>been 2 months of deperation, i've had 5 different recruiters send me this job
boomer manglement but they are still being paid to ruin their company. what is their fucking problem, why are they obsessed with in office

>>55361733
I have talked to maybe 100 recruiters over my career and they are all fucking useless

>>55338998
you need an accounting degree. you can't even sit for the cpa without a degree. accounting is gatekept to keep joe schmoe out.

>>55361782
>interview with recruiter
>say they'll keep you in mind
>never hear from them again, or if you do, it's for a shitty job 50 miles from you that's not even in a field you actually work

>>55361848
The more experienced you get the more its like
>hey anon
>[if you're really unlucky and they're new to it they spend 10 minutes telling you about their journey becoming a r*cruiter]
>anyway I have a great client who's looking for [job that has nothing to do with your experience]
>"yeah okay can you just send me the JD and I'll take a look"
>okay anon.....soooooo what kind of salary are you looking for? just ballpark of course hahaha
>oh okay well I'll see if I have anything that comes up, just take a look at the JD I send for PenisCorp, I'll send over some others I'm working on too that might be a good fit

They just spam you with whatever roles they have in the hope that you'll do an interview, usually the jobs are garbage and they don't really understand what the company is or what they're actually looking for

>WFH for 2 jobs
>Just got 3rd job offer, another $170k/y
>Pacing for $500k/y run rate

Good software engineers are always in demand. It's the low level plebs that need to be monitored and mentored in-office.

>>55362506
>thought about doing this
>1 job is already awful enough

>>55337910
60k is great starting pay zoom zoom. 6 figures is for people with experience.

>>55362925
>>55362506

I'd be too nervous to get found out and lose both jobs

>>55351859
>>55352115
Put in my two weeks notice today anons, partially because of this thread, but it's been a long time coming. Might have just fucked up bad, but I guess it's time to find out. Whatever comes next will be interesting at least. I have enough savings that I won't NEED a job for several months at least, but I'll probably start looking way sooner.

>>55364741
You will land on your feet, better times ahead fren.
Good on you for having balls to do it.

>>55362506
>spend entire teenage years and early 20s behind computer
>convince yourself it's worth it because you'll be a rich programmer
>(you don't actually have a choice, you're bound to the computer)
>get a programming job after months of applications
>dutifully wage 60 hours a week for your $130k/year salary
>women still don't care about you
>lie online about your salary, multiplied by multiple jobs (????)
sad!

>>55364741
Always remember to LIE about why you left your job, or in the case of burnout just tell them you've grown apart; they added more to your workload and it negatively effected your mental health.

HR roasties need to burn, but this is how the game is played. It's literally dating and you're the "Chad" lying through your teeth trying to impress her

Programming jobs are drying up as basically almost everything you need coded is basically done.

Gotta look for T2 type support jobs that help with issues or some kind of devops type shit

>>55338456
it's a fine school but he's presenting himself as having experience and knowledge that isn't common. when your experience is being a public school kid going to a good college and your knowledge is that the elite class perpetuates itself through institutions and sinecures and you're hoping to hold an AMA on that basis, you come off as cartoonishly sheltered. That isn't some uncommon experience and that certainly isn't uncommon knowledge