/biz/ - Business & Finance

Somebody's got to teach you retards a lesson. You cant keep making everyone else suffer for your mistakes.

>shithole countries are shitholes and doing shithole things.
No

>>54381177
The US is the new Roman empire. It's also only been around for a few hundred years, so yes, it is going to collapse some point in the near future it seems.

>>54381214
The petrodollar is literally what allowed the money printer to exist in the first place.

>>54381177
>Are we screwed Amerisisters?

Yes, but only if you don't stockpile constitutional money (gold and silver).

>>54381238
Ok and? New axis of evil is bullish and anyone who doesn't know, will know.

>>54381232
>muh empire meme
The US effectively went bankrupt in the 70s, just 30 years after it became relevant. The rest is just slow mean reversion.

>>54381232
>The US is the new Roman Empire
America is closer to the Phoenicians than Rome. It's a mercantile democracy that vassalizes conquered foes instead of annexing them. It's built and colonized by foreigners and the native populations were irrelevant before the colonization. Both have populations of africans we-wuzzing about how supposedly important they were, and both rely heavily on their navies while lacking in land combat ability.

>>54381214
>>54381264
delusional

>>54381527
and they worship Baal as well.

>>54381177
Good, death to America.
The current America.
As they already killed the original America.

>>54381177
>Saudi Arabia is our ally
>bait several countries to publicly speak to petro-dollar alternatives
>shortly thereafter, all those countries are destabilized & their leadership deposed
Saudi Arabia just doing glowie shit.
They're straight up provocateurs, but at a national level.

>>54381238
the petrodollar was like a dapp, a ponzi rehypothecation scam, the base layer was the bretton woods agreement that made the US the world's bank. it's the network effect of debt obligations that made the money printer work, the US could export its inflation to productive countries in exchange for cheap labor and goods
>>54381527
interesting analysis
>>54383694
that's some cope

>>54381527
So Jews

>>54382140
Yep. They loved money so much they'd sacrifice their first born children.
>>54383830
>>54383775
Carthage was settled by phoenicians (semites) so yeah. They paid homage to the mother country until the Persians conquered it and the country became permanently occupied. Carthage became the de facto ruler of the phoenican colonies

>>54381527
I meant to say Carthage, which was made of Phoenicians. The sub saharan africans to this day claim they built Carthage even though at best they were paid laborers. The phoencians actually bought most of their land from the natives as well.

>>54381177
No because I hold crypto

>>54381177
>>54381238
doesn't matter, the US is energy independent now.

>>54381527
>>54383960
It can also be said that while Carthage did have a strong military for the time, Rome was better able to adapt and reverse engineer Carthaginian ships. Carthage was unable to inspire loyalty in its people for war, while Rome was.

>doesn't OWN real estate, doesn't HOLD gold/silver, doesn't STORE food/water
>all he has is monopoly "money" and bits of plastic
gg no re

As usual, two more weeks

>>54384003
Seriously. The petrodollar hasn't been relevant in decades.

The only thing keeping America from flooding the oil/gas markets is Democrats.

>>54381177
Must be a mundane trade alliance. No way Pakistan/India would ally on anything. These morons love their petty beefs.

>>54381177
No

>>54381214
China is officially richer than the US after 2021.

>>54384081

Huh, what are you basing this on

>>54383775
dude, YOU are coping.
Saudi Arabia's our ally.
they orchestrated 9/11 so we could invade Iraq.

>>54384066
>Seriously. The petrodollar hasn't been relevant in decades.
bro you're retarded.
the petro-dollar is an IRL banking cheat code that makes EVERY employee around the entire world take a 20%-30% haircut on their pay because we coerce their government to transact in USD, which they have to buy from us.
but what would I expect from a redditor...

>>54384033
China is the new Rome. Or Russia idk. Russia certainly seems to larp so.

>>54384033
Anon, this was interesting tidbits. Never saw it this way. thanks for sharing. now i'm going to read some more on this.

>>54384319
Russia historically has larped as the "Third Rome" for quite some time. It has yet to be seen if they can back that claim up in a post soviet world.

China is China, they've always been around in some form.

>>54384547
I genuinely think they passed the test of adapting their economy brilliantly. I honestly didn't expect that. I expected an easy military win but later economic collapse due to sanctions, but the reverse happened, their army has been shat upon but their economy is doing great for the circumstances, and one quarter away from outperforming the US one once the recession sets in.
They must have hired some darn good economist jews to pull that off.

>>54381177
Imagine the smell

>>54381214
If USD is no longer the medium of global trade, you'll suddenly have the same purchasing power as those shitholes countries.

>>54384603
>but their economy is doing great for the circumstances
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-industrial-profits-slump-jan-feb-covid-pain-lingers-2023-03-27/

>>54381177
>Amerisisters
I hate this off site trend so fucking much

>>54385097
I was talking about Russia. Are you a bot or just really really dim ?

>>54381177
What the fuck West-sisters? I was assured that the USA and USD would remain an unchallenged superpower for eternity!

>>54381240
This, you can pay your taxes in gold

>>54384095
GDP(PPP)

US GDP is inflated with debt payments, PPP measures economic reality and cuts the bullshit

>>54381177
who cares about any of those shit holes
the west is the best

>>54386027
You stupid fuck. He number one thing that was backing the dollar was the fact that you needed the dollar to buy Oil

>>54381527
>USA
>lacking land combat ability

HAHAHHAHA

>>54381205
That literally only applies to third worlders though, since the USA provides your food and keeps your trade lanes intact and built all your factories. The minute the US stops being a gay cuckland run by treasonous boomers and sucks all the wealth back, your shithole will collapse because it's fake.

>>54381177
>PETRODOLLAR ENDING
Yes, we've been being told this as long as we've been being told CHINA COLLAPSING NOW and US CIVIL WAR TOMORROW. I'll give a shit when I see it happen.

>>54385651
>PPP measures economic reality and cuts the bullshit
Ironically, PPP is a bullshit cope dreamed up by people who don't understand money markets.

>>54381177
Not really. The United States has completely proven the effectiveness of the dollar against all other currencies. The Euro, the Pound and the Remnibi are all backed by dollars, and the United States has decided to open its vast oil and natural gas deposits to become an exporter again but now with government support (something the oil and gas industry didn't have last time). Over the next 20 years, the reliance on oil is going to wane, and it's going to be more about finding and mining deposits of cobalt, nickel and Lithium. Of all the countries in this list, only India and China have a future. And even if these other countries did have a potential at a powerful economy, China's predatory business practices would suck the life out of them until they're husks.

China is a serious economy, but it's going to run into issues it needs to solve or it will simply turn into another Japan. it needs to effectively change its whole economic model, radically alter its education system and solve a demographic crisis. Its capacity to grow at the rates it has been is definitively dead. Foreign investment is drying up. Not strictly because of their harsh foreign policy but also because their people are just getting richer and their labor isn't as cheap as it was. It's still competitive now because it has the ability to take on such productive scale, but the investment opportunities are souring, partly because of a real estate bubble, and rising wages, but also because investors aren't able to trust that the Chinese government would really protect foreign bondholders after this fiasco with Evergrande.

I don't blame any of these countries for believing they would prefer to live under a different world order. They're wrong and don't know it. The multilateral trade deals other countries have with China is not surprising, at the moment they produce a LOT of cheap exports. The problem is that China will abuse the trade balance between their poorer allies who can't afford it.

>>54384319
>China is the new Rome

>>54381527
Also ruled by semites and follow semite religion

>>54386314
they haven't developed land vehicles capable of efficiently carrying that much gelatinous weight yet

>>54384319
Anon, the Romans were a conquering war economy with a sophisticated republic, China is like 4 megacities full of people in sweatshops making plastic figurines of marvel characters to sell to man children powered by US investment and markets. No, they're not the same. Their culture, government structure, economic strategy, and military are about as different as they could possibly be.

The dollar is likely going to crash and it's been a long time coming, honestly.

>>54381177
dios mio NOOOOO

>>54381177
naw man you’ll be fine. you did listen to the silverchuds who said stack food and metals, right?

>>54386530
You wrote a lot of cope. Normies never learn

>>54386748
I'm sorry things aren't going well Mr. Chang. I hope one day our countries can be friends again.

>>54386763
->>>54386208

>>54384603
>their economy is doing great for the circumstances, and one quarter away from outperforming the US one once the recession sets in
The total collapse people were anticipating certainly didn't come, but I wouldn't say Russia's economy is doing great, more that it's surviving. Russia managed to achieve autarky with their food before the war began and none of their farmland got damaged during the war (yet), so I don't think there will be a repeat of North Korea in terms of them literally starving due to sanctions, but we will probably see something like Cuba where western tech that can't be replicated will be maintained forever until sanctions are lifted, though Russia does have the means to (poorly) imitate it.

>>54386530
> a nation must have globohomo to survive

>>54386522
If you think purchasing power is made up then it's quite obvious you've only ever asked your mom to buy tendies for you all these years.

>>54381177
it really depends on stablecoin adoption by the usa, if the usa goes against stablecoins and for CBDCs it's fucking over for burgerland.

If the usa goes full stablecoin backed on us treasuries adoption then the usa will enter a golden age after perhaps a decade of a little chaos.

The big problem is offshore dollars, as long as the banking system operates in a closed way offshore banks can create digital dollars, this would not happen if you could let's say cash out from a hong kong usd account into usdc and then deposit it into a us bank account.

It would make offshore banking in usd really hard for those creating dollars through lending outside the usa.

It would also increase demand for us treasuries and allow us companies to diversify their liquidity into stablecoins reducing pressure on banks and it wold make us treasuries the global final collateral of any open banking system.

The big problem comes if the us boomer senators want to close the system then it goes full Argentina since CBDCs would make bankruns easier and nationalizing banks would destroy demand for us treasuries nationally inside the usa and obviously too outside the usa (hence why the fed does not want 100% liquid banks like custodia).

>>54387622
>well written thought out explanation
VS
>muh globohomo

>>54387138
It is not the 1980 anymore. You can't hide intellectual property. Especially from the Chinese.

>>54384066
Zero hedge had an article about the petrodollar dying back in 2014. They pulled it because they're fucking panzie ass niggers.
America could decimate the oil and gas markets but we don't because we can use prices to fuck with mudslimes and Russia.

>>54384285
Except it has and has been dead since around 2014 https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-03/how-petrodollar-quietly-died-and-nobody-noticed
You can get the real article from archive.org

>>54386530
pride comes before a fall, also side note you are a ginormous fag

remember, this shift isn't just being led by BRICS- it's been planned and called for by central bankers at the highest levels since 2019 because reliance on the USD renders the global system unstable and inefficient
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-jacksonhole-carney/world-needs-to-end-risky-reliance-on-u-s-dollar-boes-carney-idUSKCN1VD28C

>>54386530
>China's predatory business practices would suck the life out of them until they're husks.
Why americans pretend to be the good guys, what causes this level of ABSOLUTE retardation?
Do they think their nu-robber barons are church pastors or something?
>euro, pound
Fucking britain was sustaining the Euro
What if you mention some real coins? Wait there's none, your war-earned I.O.U fake money has never had a real competitor

>>54381177
You're only getting screwed if you're not stacking gold and silver. I recommend buying through Aurus Precious Metals and jsut prepare for the cataclysm of the dollars' downfall

i can't see it happen, burgers will crash the world economy or worse, start a world war instead of letting dozens of economies to dump the dollar

>>54388756
>Fucking britain was sustaining the Euro
Not really. Britain has a functional economy, but it and France are really just two big banking arms. A big financial economy, but it doesn't produce goods to back a currency, just capital for investment (useful, but it doesn't back a currency). The Netherlands, Germany and the United States are sustaining the Euro. The Netherlands Export energy, Germans have an efficiently productive economy that produces goods and services, and the United states bails out central banks in europe with credit swaps to bolster trust in their bonds.
>Do they think their nu-robber barons are church pastors or something?
The British had an empire once. It was more stratified than Americans by a lot. There was a noble class, poor class and a slave class of foreigners. In fact The British empire is the chief problem Indians and Chinese have with the west. They still hold a grudge with all the Opium trafficking and view the "West" as an enemy, not really for anything Americans did to the chinese but because they were treated like shit by the British and hate all white people and foreigners as a result.

>>54381177
we just need kamala harris to go over to those countries and tell them to eat da poopoo and that transwomen are real women

saudia arabia is upset we're not bombing iran and yemen as much as they want.
now that we've used their oil and have significant production we don't need them anymore.

it's really a nothing burger the dollar will be strong enough on its own, given all the tech & resources we export.

>>54389132
>tech & resources we export.

destroying peoples anuses is not a human right

What do I buy to dump my dollars before they're worthless?
Already maxed out on guns, ammo, and food supplies for the foreseeable future, and couldn't get over the fiat hurdle for more property before hyperinflation started kicking in. How do I hedge against the dollar?
>Buttcoin lmao
They'll literally make it illegal because they want a centralized digital currency
>Foreign stock markets
A recipe for getting robbed thanks to kiked exchanges deciding when they don't want you to be able to sell
>MORE guns and ammo
Bro how much storage you think I got goddamn

>>54381177
high time these camel jockeys were reminded, WHOSE oil it is.

>>54384003
If that was true then Putin's price hike wouldn't have been so expensive

>>54386314
bro us hasn’t won a war since 1945 unless u count panama and iraq as wins lmao
they’re not good at war
they’re good at blowing up orphans and sixty year old tanks, that’s it.
US army is a joke

>>54389354
>hasn’t won a war since 1945
who else has, Vietcong aside?
war is inefficient

>>54389382
>who else has, Vietcong aside?
Russia has won like 10 wars since the fall of the USSR.

>>54389290
GPUs

>>54389393
>'win' 10 nomark wars
>lose #11, badly
war is inefficient

>>54389418
>lose #11, badly
according to who?
the Kyiv Independent?

they control 90% of the territory they originally set out to take.
meanwhile Jewkraine is running out of men - they're literally conscripting Ukrainian refugees in the UK.

>>54386644
Still closer to an Empire with a distinct culture, morality and goal than the fucking USA, the trading outpost larping as a country.

>>54389080
>The Netherlands Export energy
Are you really that clueless about Europe ? Please stop posting.
Also Italy has the most important industry in Europe after Germany, and not that far behind, but you wouldn't know it.

>>54389132
>given all the tech & resources we export
I'm 32, from Europe, and have never ever seen anything with a "made in the USA" label.

>>54381527
I.e., Jews

>>54389619
>Also Italy has the most important industry in Europe after Germany
what, pasta and espresso machines?
Europe is a consoomer economy with few exceptions.

>>54384244
Wahabbist "Muslims" are LARPing Jews which is why Ameri-Jews were so happy to make back room deals with their crypto Jew brothers.

>>54389290
>They'll literally make it illegal because they want a centralized digital currency

They don't retard, CBDCs as boomers want them = bank runs and the death of bond markets

The western boomers ruling are truly a new breed of imbeclies at the moment, probably the lead poisoning from their youth, stablecoins are the answer to the eurodollar problem, to capital controls, and to increase demand for us bonds to save banks.

But they are lead poisoned, they told paxos to fuck off with their 80 billion us treasuries backed stablecoin a week before their entire banking system almost go down because 1 bank could not find buyers for a few billions of their bond holdings.

>>54389586
God i hate vatnigs

>>54387138
Russia is at risk of deflation not inflation, they are also at risk of massive demographic collapse in 6 to 9 years.

Cuba and Venezuela are actually at risk of starvation if the boomer us system collapses but they are probably blackmailed by russia into doing their bidding so they don't really care about their people.

>>54386644
Rome as written is a LARP. The real Rome is all around us, in every country of the known world. They were between 10 and 15 feet tall.

>>54389653
How can a faggot be so fucking clueless holu shit.
Is your dull head filled with nothing buy memes?
The US is MUCH more of a consumer economy than Europe if we go by share of consomption in total GDP.

>>54388006
We need common law; we have the guns but no leaders. We need common men to become judges and executioners to liquidate Jewish criminality in North America.

>>54389694

I guess bugers think being racially replaced by browns is not demographic collapse

>>54389290
Buy radios, invest in construction equipment. Buy history books and, for that matter, become a patron of the arts. America has the best artists in the world but few notice.

>>54389354
Grenada was a great victory

>>54389587
The United States predate America. We were larger than the USSR in 1700.

>>54381214
> Countries severing ties with the amermuttniggergoycattletrannyLGBTBLM shithole

Good fuck the bolsh*viks in Washington.

>>54381238
How many times are midwits going to repeat
>muh petrodollar
Like oil is the only thing that makes USD desirable? Oh wait I forget I'm on a board where people need that to be the case so their speculative investments can take off.

>>54389794
When Jews go down the plughole they like to rip out a lot of the wiring on their way down; watch your back.

>>54389586
hi Ivan. rememberyour supreme leader's objective, the denazification (government overthrow) and demilitarization (control of all ukrainian military resources). russians have already failed in both objectives, ofc you have to spin it as some sort of win because supreme leader never loses

>>54389804
With fake history, fake science, fake women, fake education, fake religion and fake money, can you blame anons for believing the fake economics?

>>54389762
In a country with horrible demographics to begin with (1.5 birthrate and 86.8 men per 100 women, blabla), chucking 200K+ prime age breeding males through the meatgrinder for no apparent, this while probably another 10x that number flee.. this is literal fucking insanity. Putin wont be around to see the results tho.

>>54389354
The US needs to abandon the geneva convention and go total scorched earth to prove this idea wrong. Just once is all it would take. Stop trying to win hearts and minds and just completely eradicate an enemy

>>54389393
>buy gpus when nvidias recent financial statements look like shit but gpu prices havent dropped

>>54389820
rip russia. putin is terrible at this game

>>54389841
He truly destroyed slavic civilization to get banan fast, had he waited the eu would have collapsed on itself due to it's bond market.

>>54389813
I still expect people not to be faggot retards. I feel like a lot of people became broken husks when Trump didn't pan out like they expected. Now they're demoralized and just wish for doom

>>54389863
You have to educate them. Hit them with the ruler, then go over the lesson again.

>>54389157
>>54389632
Go look up countries by exports and US exports by category
I don't know why people on a finance board are incapable of doing economic research
Then again a huge chunk of this board is sub 100 iq to midwit level and only comes here to beg for instructions on what to buy

>>54386417
Cope

>>54389820

You know Russia use muslim as cannonfodder right?

>>54389965
>first, they used the Muslims
>then, they used the prisoners
>then, they used the remainder of the regular Army
>then, they came for me
>but I had long fucked off to Finland

>>54389958
The US sucks but he's not wrong. Lots of places will lose gibs.

>>54386314
never fight a land war in Asia.

>>54389921
You export tertiairy trash and branding. We could make GAFA clones like South Korea, China or Russia have done and be done with it in three days.

>>54381177
Fuck the US. If I said it once I said it a thousand times. Fuck the mystery meat mutts.

>>54381214
>shithole countries
But the U.S. isn't in this alliance

>>54389804
>Like oil is the only thing that makes USD desirable?
It literally is.
>moved all their manufacturing to one of their biggest geopolitical enemies because kike boomers wanted to outsource slavery
Put on your El Presidente hat for a second and name a singular thing you would want America's federal reserve notes for, if you were a foreign economy and trying to buy, you know, things of actual value.
The only thing America exports anymore is depleted uranium (but exclusively into orphans' heads) and homosexuality.

>>54389290

GOLD

>>54390146
>can't even use google
I hate you midwit niggers so much it's unreal

>>54390224
Ok, what's your projected timeline for when it tanks?
>the only thing
Wrong nigger, learn to do research
>>54390255

>>54390255
>literally all shit I could buy from other countries, especially China, you know the country with all the fucking manufacturing
Besides that though, I straight up don't give a fuck what your fake and gay Google crap says. Find me products with a "made in USA" sticker on it.
The reality is that Americans don't have products that are made state side, they are made in fucking China. Why? Because China has cheap manufacturing and cheap bulk shipping thanks to secure ocean transport. So guess whats going to happen as America-Chinese relations break down and Chinese-Everyone else relations build up? China starts selling those products to everyone else and America gets left holding a bunch of shitty goods people can get elsewhere and a fat wad of paper with ink called Federal Reserve notes.
Who wants to do business with a country that inflates its currency constantly and expects everyone else to hold the bags?
As Americas' influence wanes, they will not have the means

>>54390481
>anything that invalidates my misinformed knee jerk views is fake
I hope you stay poor and never breed

America is a dying country and this is the final nail in the coffin, countries are no longer scared and are fed up of their bullying tactics as the world police.

>print fuckloads of usd
>wtf why doesn't anyone want usd anymore
Lol

glowies are real mad about this lol

>>54390481
that's a lot of 'america doesn't produce shit' talk for the start of our farmer's markets. we also have d printers so i'm not too worried about getting my shit from china. i've found plenty of these other countries can't even make a decent razor blade so i'll bite the bullet a little longer on my cheap phone and fruit of the loom white tees.

americas influence isn't waning. the language is colliding with every other english speaking country, and some english speaking countries want to keep hating another because muuuuh what, exactly?

>>54389810
>>54389418
>Russia has lost
Yeah I guess Zelensky conscripting old men and boys and throwing them into the meatgrinder while begging the west for money and weapons while at the same time inviting Xi jinping to Ukraine to talk about their peace plan is "Russia losing". Delusional retards kek.

>>54389694
>massive demographic collapse in 6 to 9 years
you mean, two more weeks?

>>54389820
>relying on the economist for sociodemographic predictions
lmao

>>54390866
and which sociodemographic predictor of record does Ivan then recommend?
Russia Today? Pravda?
you know, all these same factual recorders who arent even allowed to call the nonsense in which your youth, the most precious resource you had left, is currently being slaughtered a pointless War. One with the sole aim of satisfying your decrepitly batshit dictators ego. Your bs does not wash here - go lock up some kids for making anti-war drawings instead.

>>54389827
>and go total scorched earth to prove this idea wrong

Lmao, against who???

You know why we haven't invaded Iran yet despite the absolute war boner for it forever? Because the military isn't even sure it could accomplish that.

>>54381232
What a 2 digit IQ thing to say.

>>54390952
i don't get how you can be anti-war. i've heard the arguments, read em, went through the hippe phase. but i still can't imagine another man not wanting to experience the rush of a purge on evil.

>>54390952
I recommend actually looking into a scientific journal of sociological and demographic research and finding a study that proves with certainty that Russian demographics will collapse (whatever the fuck that means) in the future. I can guarantee you that you won't find anything, because it's all non scientific bullshit conjured up by journalist to keep retards like you thinking the mess that the US started is winnable in any way, which it isn't.

Second I recommend you stop being such a bluepilled retard calling anyone who disagrees with your opinion Ivan or whatever, if this is what being raised in the west gave you, the ability to disregard any critical opinion that contradicts yours, then I feel truly sorry for you. You don't have to be Russian to use your fucking brain nor am I nor any other anon who rightfully calls you and idiot for having the most basic, pseudointellectual, washington post reader opinion you could possibly have.

>your youth, the most precious resource you had left
you're telling me the country with the most ressources on earth has only their youth left as a ressource? Kek. Guess all of the Russians that died in Ukraine were also only healthy 18-30 year old men, and a country with ~145m inhabitants is now out of men to procreate. Keeek

> One with the sole aim of satisfying your decrepitly batshit dictators ego
Your IQ is sub 100. If you think it's because of Putin's ego he invaded you must be extremely stupid, unaware of anything that happened between Russia and the West in the last 20 years or just retarded.

>>54390866
are you seriously implying that Russia has the slightest chance to denazify (overthrow government) and demilitarize (seize all Ukrainian military assets)?

>>54391034
one Mans evil, etc.
as Wars go, this is an incredibly fucking dumb one. Tens of thousands of kids dying, to move 100m backwards or forwards over some God-forsaken, long-obliterated part of what used to be Bakhmut. This is some pointless 1916 Battle of the Somme shit, right here. Putins too oldskool KGB to admit defeat and the West are just using Ukraine to fuck them over. Until every last Ukranian is gone as well. We no longer have the level of population growth to support this nonsense, anywhere but Africa. Its all JUST sad and utterly fucking pointless, basically.
>>54391158
yeah, muh Nazism and NATO on our borders - hows that one working out for you? Go get fucked Ivan.

>>54391158
Damn you brainwashed af. I'm russian but even to me it's obvious pootin wanted another quick georgian war and got chechen war instead because ukies were ready and didn't want to back down even @ day 1.
Stop glorifying this mad midget like he's some sort of gigabrain playing 5D chess when he's stuck in some 3rd world shithole for more than a year now.

>>54391179
>yeah, muh Nazism and NATO on our borders - hows that one working out for you? Go get fucked Ivan.
Nice argument spastic, now back to >>>/k/. Don't forget to cope some more before sleep so you don't get nightmares about evil Putler raping your boypussy.

>>54391165
>can a nuclear power with 5 times the population win against a country running out of ammo, shells and trained forces as well as support from its western partners?
Yes

>>54391220
I did not glorify Putin you fucking ESL nigger, read my posts again.

>>54381214
Completely delusional, enjoy your momental peace. You're in for a ride, lard.

>>54387138
They will have higher growth than America and every western European country this year. Russia is practically an autarky.

>>54391261
Nah, I'll just wait until he crumbles this year. Your seething would be almost palpable.

>>54391261
they had the opportunity to fulfil those objectives in the first few weeks of the war. now these objectives are unachievable - it's obvious even to Putin since he stopped pushing these as the "goal" of the operation. we heard this denazify and demilitarize bullshit every day at the start, why aren't they repeating it now? if you think having nukes and 5x pop is somehow going to lead to decisive russian victory after over a year of bogged down trench warfare you're delusional. at best the russians will get to keep crimea and donbas, and that's assuming the country doesn't implode before that

>>54390481
Tell me more about this fabled land full of people just dying to fill a consumer demand the size of the United States, I'll wait.

Xi would suck white cock on live tv to keep America buying Chinese shit.

>>54381527
Correct and Quigly-pilled.
Shame he was a jew worshiper.

faggot Americans deserve the pain that is coming to them for their idioacy. They will never recover. Imagine letting your own govermnet destroy you like a bunch of retards and fight each other while they do it

>>54389382
Talibans

>>54391300
Stop larping as a Russian and take your meds retard, you keep mentioning Putin

>>54391310
>they had the opportunity to fulfil those objectives in the first few weeks of the war. now these objectives are unachievable
Says who? The same guys that said Russia would suffer complete economic collapse a year ago? The same people who said the Ruble is gonna be worthless? The same people that said Russia will be isolated like North Korea? The same people that killed Europes energy sector by cutting off their largest energy provider?

>assuming the country doesn't implode before that
I'm sure this time it's gonna happen, the new york times wrote an article about it

>>54391417
>Says who?
Russian leadership obviously, since they stopped publicly screeching about denazification and demilitarization being the objective of the SMO. They pivoted to "we never wanted whole Ukraine" and setting up annexation of eastern and southern regions as a success. They tried the "threaten with nukes" strategy, but it backfired when Xi told putin to stfu with that shit

About time we export some freedom to China.

China is weak and stupid. They will crumble in the face of American might.

>>54391467
Yeah, and the West stopped parroting their propaganda about killing off Russias economy. Both sides, Nato and Russia, are improvising in this war, and adjust their propaganda accordingly. If one side takes the upper hand they churn up their ambitions, if the situation changes they tone them down. It has been like that for a year now.

>it backfired when Xi told putin to stfu with that shit
what the fuck are you on about?

Russia - gay
China - gay

USA - based

Why are the Chinese so low-testosterone?

>>54381177
i foresee a bright future for bitcoin, since massive inflation is coming your way

also checked dubdubs

>>54381177
i told u bro i warned u abuot brics

>>54381527
>heavily on their navies
They are bipedal deer.

>>54381177

CMЪPT ЗA AMEPИКA

CЛABA HA PУCКATA ИMПEPИЯ

>>54389333
>Putin's price hike
Doesn't exist. That's disinformation to cover for energy policy incompetence.

>>54381177

>>54385097
ah yes, a paltry 6% in economic growth, a mere pittance compared to the roaring <2% seen in western cunts. china is truly finished this time boys!

>>54389804
You're arguing against literal kremlin bots, they don't know economics. Watch them call anyone who disagrees a globohomo glownigger and not engage in any discussions.

>>54383656
The real America died in August 20, 1866. Its been a currency worshipping, nigger loving, Jewocracy ever since.

>>54391884
Boomer tard opinion. USA is stronger than ever.

>>54381177
Yeah.

>>54389804
>noooooooooo there is no alternative!!!!
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1311
Objectively empirically countries are ditching the dollar. US backed securities held by foreign countries went down by 2 TRILLION between 2021 and 2022. Countries are also making trade agreements that circumvent the dollar, meaning
>countries don't need it for trade
>countries don't need to hold USD
>countries are ditching the USD
This is fact, not speculation, and saying "other countries need the USD it isn't going anywhere" is just cope.

>>54391965
You anti-American fags used to FUD about other countries holding more US backed securities. Now it’s FUD about other countries holding less US backed securities. Just a bunch of ass-mad foreigners jealous of how the US is still the unrivaled leader of the world in all areas.

>>54391992
bait

>>54392004
Bait these red white and blue nuts, retard

>>54391965
Buddy, you actually have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone was eating up t-bills till the fed started to hike which naturally pushed the yields through the roof. Why the fuck would anyone in their right mind sit on securities which diminishes in value over the next couple of years?
That said, do you even know that your beloved BRICS are bidding up long durations? Do you even understand what that means? It means that they put their trust in the dollar, more so than their own currency, or any other currency for the next 30 years.
On top of that, I want you to read up on the eurodollar market and then get back to me and tell me what you learned.

>>54389827
Yeah but it would be through technology not fighting spirit. Don't get offended bro. Us army is overpowered. But the soldiers are doo-doo. It's why America is always taking about the 1% of their army. The navy seals the army rangers devil dogs etc. Average soldier is a disgrace and American infantry is absolutely a joke

>>54392022
based but cringe

>>54389827
Most likely infantry soldier to surrender is us army soldier. You think Chinese and Israeli soldiers don't want to die? Wait till you see the gibs bot have to actually fight.

>muh petrodollar
Nothing identifies an idiot faster. I also can buy celery with USD. Doesn’t mean there’s some veggie-dollar conspiracy.

Did you know China pegs their currency? Guess what they use as a basis for that - the American greenback.

>>54391992
>seething amerimutt

>>54389820
Retarded, as expected from jewCSIS

>>54392084
Yet here you are, posting on an American board in the American language.

And because I’m American, I can just say the language is American and you immediately know what I mean.

>>54392039
kek

>>54392115
>American board
it's ackshually japanese now

>>54391496
This is just sad. I hope karma is real

>>54392051
Is this the dumbest post on /biz/?

>>54390866
>relying on the economist for sociodemographic predictions
their birth rate is already low, and they're throwing young men into the meat grinder. they have some hope of having a post war baby boom but I'm not sure if such things apply to the modern world as much as they did in the past. it's absolutely going to hamper their population in the future, making them more reliant on immigration. the meme of a multicultural russia is more likely than most people who support them would like to admit.

>>54392115
It's the English language silly burger xD

>>54391158
>Ukraine were also only healthy 18-30 year old men, and a country with ~145m inhabitants is now out of men to procreate. Keeek
this isn't a contest between Ukraine and Russia. it's about the survival of the Russian people. the west is content to throw money and Ukrainians into the grinder if that means they can hurt Russia down the line. Ukraine is nothing more than a pawn, and until the theme of this thread actually comes true the money wasted is not that consequential, it's more like welfare for western weapons companies

>>54391583
you're not going to be metabolically healthy when you're overworked and living in extremely polluted cities. they all seem to be insecure similar to how indians are too.

>>54390786
most countries printed more kek

>>54391965
>>countries don't need it for trade
what are they going to use in its place? I don't think any other currency has the circulating supply to match it. and that's forgetting that there is trillions upon trillions in usd denominated debt held between foreign entities. until those debts are satisfied, the dollar will still be used
people just don't understand the dynamics of the use case for usd and just talk out their asses based on their feelings. it's so gay

>>54389820
very cool Zeihan, thanks for sharing

>>54392436
Whatever you want to call it, you had to learn it because I speak it.

>>54392508
chainlink

>>54384033
checked

>>54392436
and how many people speak it with an english accent or use english slang outside of india?

>>54393076
Or spell color with a “u”

>>54386530
we've just about wrung every shekel out of china we're going to get

>>54381177
>Dude. Dont go in the capitol guns blazing1776 style killing all those underprotected and vulnerable demon worshipping democrats. Think about the OPTICS. Let them steal the elections. Whats the worst that could happen?

Amerishits deserve everything thats coming

>>54393155
>unironically believing in demons
The third world is so funny

>>54386748
>>54387622
>>54388696
funny how nobody responds to his points about aging demographics, rising cost of labor, or a government that will screw investors if need be
it's just "durr cope u wrong"
that's the state of this board. a bunch of hype train chimpanzee niggers who don't know how to analyze or argue. just ask for what is the next 100x, what is the next shitcoin to pump

>>54385651
>using PPP for GDP
lol, lmao even

>>54393364
I've seen several threads like this recently
>China has surpassed US GDP
sometimes they cut off parts of the chart that show it's measuring PPP, or they just never talk about it in the thread

>>54393213
This.

>>54388292
>https://web.archive.org/web/20141220094810/https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-03/how-petrodollar-quietly-died-and-nobody-noticed
you don't understand what you read.
liquidity was low due to a strong dollar, so people considered alternatives, defer getting loans.
so the fed weakened it a little and everyone stayed on it.
if the petro dollar was dead, our economy would've collapsed 8 years ago.

catgirl catgirl catgirl catgirl catgirl catgirl catgirl coin

>>54386530
>Over the next 20 years, the reliance on oil is going to wane, and it's going to be more about finding and mining deposits of cobalt, nickel and Lithium.
Any day now.

>Its capacity to grow at the rates it has been is definitively dead.
It doesn't need to grow at those rates if the West shrinks though.
People have been calling China a paper tiger 30 years now.

>The problem is that China will abuse the trade balance between their poorer allies who can't afford it.
Not at the extent the US has been abusing their poorer allies though. Cuckraine is being killed to the last hohol for America's interest.

>I don't blame any of these countries for believing they would prefer to live under a different world order. They're wrong and don't know it.
>Worship niggers and trannies or else!

Good thing you didn't say we'd all eat fake meat and become trannies.

>america
>daily mass shootings
>most recently was an elementary school shooting by a "transgender person" which is such an important thing that its a topic both democrats and republics are going to be bringing up this election season
>have to lock up items in stores because people won't stop stealing them

We are a 3rd world country now. No wonder they see us and get the ick.

>>54381264
Means war and maybe conscription. Not dying for kikes.

>>54393735
Train derails every fucking day

>>54386417
read or watch confessions of an economic hitman you newfag. that is not how the world works. America is the reason alot of countries have third world status

>>54393695
>cobalt, nickel and Lithium.
>Any day now.
agreed, no way we're all on batteries in 20 years.
developed world, sure, but everyone else will still be on gas, e.g. 95%+ of the world will still be combustible engines.
>People have been calling China a paper tiger 30 years now.
The US is more likely to turn into Japan then China.
You can see it easily with interest rate reductions and everytime we go through that cycle we can't raise it as high until everything is fucked.
Right now it's the 6% mortgage interest rate, no one buys a house at that.
so the interest rates DO have to go back down.
>Cuckraine is being killed to the last hohol for America's interest.
you were right on the other points, but this one you're wrong.
we're investing in them to support our economic interests.
but their decision to die is 100% on them.
>Worship niggers and trannies or else!
His name was Aiden Hale!
Slava Ukraini.
Israel is our greatest ally.

>implying oil countries will matter in 10-20 years.
>implying China will matter after demographic collapse
>implying Russia still matters

>>54393832
That book was 100% fiction, you mark

>>54383656
Yeah I'm sure it's going to get better now

>>54393870
>no one buys a house at 6% interest
Lol, zoomer detected.

>>54393933
it's a cliff at 6% and we're already passed that threshold.
people are, and I hate the word, 94%+ people are 'literally' priced out of home purchases at 6%.
you might be a boomer still in denial.

>>54390248
Boomer rocks that will have no practical value in a post rule of law environment
Nobody's going to be lugging around gold bars to exchange for anything, grandpa

>>54386417
Honestly, the end of US hegemony is the best thing that could possibly happen for this nation and it's people. Imagine a forced return to the values that made America great in the first place before the likes of Nixon shit it all away financially, Dubya shit it all away militarily, and Obama / Trump / Biden shit it all away socially.

>>54394114
It wasn’t long ago that the standard mortgage rate was above 10%.

>>54394181
Trump is nixon 2.0. Even has same advisors. We need to move away from that shit.

>>54394237
>not long ago
>the 1980's

>>54381177
Imagine being a shithole country with a non-diversified economy whose only advantage in the geopolitical game is having a large, shithole, shitskin population and thinking this matters.

Everytime they need anything remotely sophisticated they will need USD/EUR/GBP/JPY.
Anytime they want to show off to friends their "luxury" items as the good cattle that they are, they will need USD/EUR/GBP/JPY.
Anytime they need advice, guess what: USD/EUR/GBP/JPY
Anytime they want to invest in anything remotely safe: USD/EUR/GBP/JPY

Imagine thinking brown people matter, especially at the end of the oil cycle. Fuck off

>>54394237
but the media house price wasn't somewhere around 400k
the prices or interest rates will come down, there's no way around it
houses simply aren't affordable and either interest rates or prices will give at some point. the fed keeps memeing the idea of a "soft landing" but that seems unlikely. if we have a crash I would expect both prices and interest rates to drop

>>54394330
BRICSniggers will chide the west for letting in the brown third world (a valid criticism on its own) while they themselves are a huge chunk of the brown third world. Russia might be mostly slavs (at this point) and China could be called homogenous to some degree, but all the other countries involved are brown as fuck

>>54390255
Most of those are p2p and Europe makes its own (be it boilers, heavy machinery, cars or planes).
Same for pharma, 7/10 top pharma producers are european.
So again, what do we need you for ?

>>54391837
Based Spain mogging everyone.

>>54389804
>>54389827
>>54389837
>>54389863
>>54389921
>>54390255
>>54390263
>>54390502
>>54392425
>>54392448
>>54392473
>>54392508
>>54393076
>>54393213
>>54393385
>>54394388
>>54394425
(You) are peak midwit

>>54394581
not an argument, sub100IQlet

>>54394388
yea, it's pretty simple calc.
$400k home + 20% down with a 30 year 6% fixed rate. That's ~$2,500/mo.
and that assumes they can make a 20% down, they have $80k sitting around, not likely.
and the current mortgage rates are running over 7%.
if it's $400k + 0% down 7% fixed rate, that's $3,500/mo.
well, housing should only eat 1/3rd of your income, so either scenario A, 2500*12*3=they need $90k salary, and that's still not gonna be an easy loan to acquire due to loan tightening.
scenario B, they need a base salary of ~$125k.

The difference between china's GDP and the us GDP is roughly 6 trillion. To put it into perspective the countries following china, none of them make even that difference.

>>54394606
There's no point arguing with a midwit like you incapable of comprehending an existence outside of US global economic dominance. You think the sanctions are hecking working lmao

>>54394754
>random screencap about agitator kike
>I'm not going to argue with you, just mass reply to all your posts to show you how much I'm seething
suit yourself anon

>>54394791
I saw how lonely most of your replies were and it was so nicely juxtaposed with your angery midwittery

>>54394819
>still seething

>>54394823
Thanks for the info, looking forward to your next status update

>>54394620
>durr how can the free market possible respond to changes in demand
That is literally why the US is the economic engine of the planet.

>>54394330
>Everytime they need anything remotely sophisticated they will need USD/EUR/GBP/JPY.
>this will be the case always because... because...
>meanwhile US Semiconductor Production

>>54394882
yeah anon, go ahead and tell us about the semiconductor production BRICS is capable of

>>54381177
Oh no how am I supposed to buy my Russian tree bark footwear and Indian poo figurines without my US dollars now.

>>54385017
NYC already looks like fucking Brazil might as well downgrade to Brazil prices.

>>54394902
SMIC, Hisilicon

>>54394882
Meanwhile, Biden created a domestic semiconductor industry essentially by fiat. It’s not that the US can’t do it, it was just cheaper to exploit foreign labor.

>>54394914
>Footwear
All made in Vietnam, China, Indonesia

>Figurines
All made in Vietnam, China, Indonenesia

>>54394902
>muh whatabout
What does your cope have to do with my dunking on the retarded claim that the US is a source for sophisticated manufacturing?

>>54394951
last I heard the best kirin processors are fabbed in SK
I've heard rumors about Chinese fabs being able to do 5nm but the most I saw was some ASIC
I've never seen any evidence that China is capable of making anywhere near modern GPUs and CPUs. If you have a video of someone demonstrating good benchmarks from Chinese fabbed CPUs and GPUs I'll check it out

>>54394856
>how can the free market possible respond to changes in demand
free market = the fed fucking with interest rates
OK retard.
but in good faith, yea of course housing prices can drop, but when that happens it's a 'systemic risk' and we have to bail out banks and cut interest rates.
hence we're much closer to japan then China is.
you're delusional if you don't think we'll continue to cut interest rates.
no, that doesn't mean cuts are on the table this year you stupid boomer, but in 4 years, the US will be sub 2% interest rates again.

What is even the top manufacturing export for Russia? They’re totally reliant on oil. Going through their top exports, the first one that isn’t a commodity is #19, gas turbines, which is like 0.2% of their total export revenue.

>>54394968
>Biden created a domestic semiconductor industry essentially by fiat.
Yes anon, signing a piece of paper is the same thing as a fully functional production line

>>54394968
>Created
Spent $52bln with no effect actually.
This is not how you create something.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-03-09/worker-shortages-are-hurdle-for-52-billion-us-plan-to-boost-chip-manufacturing

>>54395000
>seether can't understand context
this thread is about USD losing power due to the rising influence of BRICS
both samsung and TSMC will have fabs open in the US either in the next few years or by the end of the decade, btw

>>54395013
Ok, so what? The whole point of a central bank is to adjust interest rates for macro-economic policy.

>>54382140
knegg ;) this Amuruka number 1

>>54395040
>THE US HAS TOO MANY JOBS
lol, you tards will try to FUD anything

>>54395041
>both samsung and TSMC will have fabs open in the US either in the next few years or by the end of the decade, btw
Wow that's so cool, and they'll only be a decade behind. I guess signing a piece of paper really is the same thing as a fully functioning production line

>>54395062
Yes, labor is where the reality of your shitty economic choices meets tangible need. You can throw dollars around as much as you want because it's cheap worthless paper but if you need something actually produced a dollar bill can't sit at a station

>>54395065
a decade behind what? do you think any Chinese company is going to be competing with samsung or TSMC anytime soon? that's hilarious, post hand

>>54395083
See
>>54393309

>>54395089
>do you think the country currently producing actual semiconductors can compete with this piece of paper and a promise?
lel

>>54395089
90 per cent of chips are still made on 35+ nm process actually

>>54395096
Thank you for proving my point
>hehe labor shortage? Here's a useless economic indicator
>w... why aren't we producing anything

>>54395116
>how will the free market possibly deal with an increased demand for labor!?
Key

>>54384319
USA=western roman empire
EU and Russia battling it out for the title of East-roman empire.

>>54395100
what are you going to do when they become functional? is that what your argument hinges on, that these facilities that are being set up now will never be finished?
>>54395114
sure but we're specifically talking about state of the art manufacturing

>>54395116
American Empire still produce a lot of basedbean for Chinese pigs actually

>>54381232
Roman Republic.

>>54395142
Russia is battling for 34th largest economy, not any kind of empire status.

>>54395042
>Ok, so what? The whole point of a central bank is to adjust interest rates for macro-economic policy.
what are you trying to argue with me about?
either your high on weed or you've got Alzheimer's.

>>54395139
>quick, just raise the wages of rapidly inflating worthless backed-by-nothing currency
>what do you mean people aren't afraid of our Tranny Force and are dodging sanctions?
>just recruit more loyal white me...

>>54395116
I already pointed out that the US does in fact still produce things >>54390255
you really were seething so much that you didn't even read my posts, just mass replied. fucking faggot lmao

>>54395145
The state of art is TSMC on ASML no questions about it.
But how is it any relevant? China buys A LOT of GPUs no need to produce it by itself

>>54395145
>what are you going to do when they become functional?
Every day we can get together and meet up. You can tell me how many days away your dream factories are (like Hi Speed Rail), and I'll tell you that China is actively producting Semi Conductors while the United States is 10 years out of a promise.
We can do that every single day and I will happily place you back in reality

>>54395178
>backed-by-nothing currency
like every other major currency?
what country are you from anyways?
>>54395193
>But how is it any relevant?
that's what we're discussing

>>54395153
6 by PPP GDP actually

>>54395210
>like every other major currency?
Good morning sirs, maybe now you're understanding what a Commodity back BRICS is the talk of the town
Holy fucking midwittery in this thread, how do they found their way over here from the hugbox reddit I will never know

>>54395203
I don't care about hi speed rail, I really don't.
None of the semi conductors China produces go into GPUs and CPUs that compete with AMD, Intel and Nvidia products from several generations ago last I checked

>>54395153
Economics are not needed if you have total control of the workforce, raw materials and means of production... then you can wage war till the last bullet

>>54395230
>I don't care about hi speed rail, I really don't.
Because we don't have it. But it's exactly what will happen to those promises of Le Grand Semiconductor Palace. Meanwhile
>China has High Speed Rail
>China is producing semi conductors every single day
>China is producing warships every month
And you're really sitting here coping with magic factories a literal decade away

>>54395230
>None of the semi conductors China produces go into GPUs and CPUs that compete with AMD, Intel and Nvidia products from several generations ago
it's actually kind of wild how fast they're catching up though.
they've done in ~3 years what took Nvidia and AMD decades.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGhfy3om9Ok

>>54395226
>Good morning sirs, maybe now you're understanding what a Commodity back BRICS is the talk of the town
I've heard all about it except anything resembling a concrete plan or official announcement
>hugbox
says the retard who mass replies because someone had the nerve to post things contrary to his own beliefs
I really hope you end up killing yourself, you're a worthless moron

>>54395268
>I've heard all about it except anything resembling a concrete plan or official announcement
Good Morning Sirs you have clearly been asleep for a decade

>>54395219
>actually if we use fake numbers then we’re the same economic size as Mexico!
Kek
>>54395229
And lose against an insignificant military force. Kek.

>>54391672
wow, you are so smart . good we have a guy like you around here to explain things ya know

If "the west" (which I am part of) REALLY wanted to take out russias ability to wage war, then why in the FUCK are they giving russia ample time to get factories online to produce weapons en masse? Just saying...

>>54395262
>hi speed rail
and what does hi speed passenger rail achieve? it's a loss in the rural areas. planes and trains both have their pros and cons depending on the distance
as far as I'm concerned, this is an argument based on fetishism of passenger trains
>>China is producing semi conductors every single day
and none of them can compete with the ones produced in Taiwan and SK, and soon the US itself
>>China is producing warships every month
wake me up when China actually does something with its military
>>54395286
>no link to an announcement of any kind
zzzz

>>54395314
>and what does hi speed passenger rail achieve?
Now this is cope

>>54395347
>not willing to elaborate on anything
what country are you from? what race are you?

>>54395305
>Russian factories
Yes, the world-renowned quality of Russian manufacturing. Kek

>>54395367
I'm from the United States, a republic containing 0 states that have managed to acquire neither high speed rail or semiconductor manufacturing capabilities

>>54395393
Russia does produce weapons and other military equipment though. it's one of the things they do at least decently. at least to the point where there military spending goes further than it does in other countries
>>54395403
what race?

>>54395403
We don’t need high speed rail. Our airline industry accomplishes mass transit, plus we are a rich country with massive personal vehicle adoption. Even the poorest Americans own cars.

>>54395393
It was advanced enough to decimate ukraine

TPTB WANT this meat grinder to go on for as long as possible.

>>54395420
>decently
lol, lmao

>>54395420
Caucasian
>>54395425
>we don't need X
>we don't need semiconductor manufacturing
>we can get X cheaper elsewhere
>whoops where did all the manufacturing go
>whoops semiconductors are 10 years out we hope ah jeeze dood best I can do is 15

>>54395431
Russia’s invasion of ukraine makes the American invasion of Afghanistan look like the English at Agincourt.

>>54395403
>semiconductor manufacturing capabilities
Arizona.

>>54395450
>15 years out
There are semiconductors manufactured in the US right now.

>>54395450
>Caucasian
all western european? no non european heritage? not jewish?
>we don't need semiconductor manufacturing
it's coming though as pointed out previously
>whoops where did all the manufacturing go
we do still manufacture goods, as pointed out previously
I don't see how you can rely on this BRICS currency which there's not even an announcement for and then turn around and pretend US fabs will never come online
you're demoralized just like most people on the left and you don't even realize it

>>54395506
You're right anon. The US Dollar is the first fiat currency that will never die, we're in a post history world thanks to Modern Monetary Theory

The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
-Uncle Sam, as he continues to bend the world to his whims

>>54395520
Oh no don't get me wrong the us will go down. But in the next 50 years or so. If capitalism lasts that long either way.

>>54395520
I never said that lmao
I just think it's going to happen on a much longer timeline then you expect
you keep goal post switching and refusing to elaborate on any of your points
it's because you've allowed yourself to degenerate to a subhuman state where you're ruled by your amygdala
you're demoralized

>>54395547
>>54395550
>it can't ever actually happen
>it's not happening right now
>nooooooooo

>>54395557
>if I just keep strawmanning and moving the goal posts people won't realize I'm a massive retard
DEMORALIZED

>>54395219
stop using PPP GDP, retard, it makes no sense

>>54395578
But anon, you're the one waiting for some 'official announcement' on BRICS while the fundamental economic action of moving away from the dollar is happening beneath your nose

>>54395557
so what would you say is 'happening right now'?

>>54395601
yes, I want to see some kind of plan on what countries and commodities will be involved at the very least
right now we've got a handful of countries agreeing to trade in yuan or roubles and nothing more
you take that to mean that everyone and their grandma is going to stop using USD. I don't think so, partially for reasons I've mentioned that you failed to process in your mass reply

>>54395624
See the OP maybe

>>54395547
Capitalism is clearly the optimal financial system.

>>54395639
>you take that to mean that everyone and their grandma is going to stop using USD
The entire point of the petrodollar was to intimidate and sanction those who stepped away from using the USD. The fact that we don't have the ability to enforce that like we have for decades isn't an indicator to a retard like you

>>54395601
How much trade occurs between Brazil and China?

>>54395662
Yeah but I mean 50 years from now bros
By then AI and robots would make capitalism unviable... Or should

>>54395686
Lol, not a chance. Every single person reading this will live in a world run by capitalism for the entirety of their lives.

>>54395673
>it's all about oil
will you change your mind if countries and foreign entities still continue to trade in USD? what's your timeline for when the dollar tanks?

>>54395677
China is our biggest commercial partner

>>54395734
How much trade occurs between Brazil and China?

>>54395710
It's not about oil it's about the dollar you retard. Ask why Gaddafi got couped by the CIA

>>54395780
>highly traded commodity trades in most stable and widely accepted currency
What an evil conspiracy.

>>54395780
jesus you monkey, I'm saying you're the one implying that the value and usefulness of the dollar comes strictly from oil "petrodollar".
>>54395780
>Ask why Gaddafi got couped by the CIA
there's multiple reasons. aside from trying to create a gold backed currency to trade oil in, he also wanted to push for a pan african movement. that's not a compelling argument for why the value and usefulness of the dollar comes strictly down to oil
you get mad, mass reply, don't read any posts, strawman, move to goal posts, refuse to elaborate, then when you do elaborate you show that your argument is built on these assumptive leaps that neglect all kinds of information
some of which was presented in the posts you mass replied to
I really hope you find the courage to kill yourself

>>54395797
Yup, you're such a retard
>>highly traded commodity trades dollars (((or else)))
Although now the bully who would beat you to a pulp for not doing what he says shows up in a wheelchair. He still tries to talk tough but people are openly defying him. You're still retarded enough to think he has any power

>>54395840
Listen anon, you're waiting for some arbitrary piece of pepper or email saying "BRICS IS HERE! Come to your BRICS center today to trade for BRICS BUX!" but the reality is, nations are no longer afraid to move away from the dollar because the US is no longer a nation worth being afraid of.

>>54395841
Who is the worlds largest producer of oil?

>>54395841
how much of global trade is done with the dollar?
how much non US entity debts are denominated in the dollar?

>>54395868
>no longer afraid
and yet foreign nations and foreign entities will still continue to use USD since there's more reasons they use it than fear

>>54395870
>>54395871
>>54395886
>Saudi Arabia enters trade alliance to step further away from reliance on the US dollar
>?>hehe, that is literally impossible and not happening, checkmate
Last reply

>>54395910
how much of global trade is done with the dollar?
how much non US entity debts are denominated in the dollar?
>Saudi Arabia
you realize there's more to the global economy than Saudi or any of the other countries mentioned in the OP?
>Last reply
please rope

>EU exports to USA : 510 billion €
>US exports to Europe : 350 billion €
Manufacturing powerhouse my ass. Most of our imports from the US are oil, plastic and gas too. The trade balance was even more at our advantage before the UA thingy.
The US aren't better than Russia, both are gas stations, shitholes that can't make anything of value except for raw material.
And I think Russia makes better weapons, watches and art too.

>>54396022
This.
If your country imports more goods than it exports it's a shithole living on borrowed times that won't survive the coming bad times.

>>54395910
The US is the worlds largest oil producer.

>>54396162
They use most of it themselves to drive wasteful ugly cars or make it into big black dildos.

>>54385017
All that printing the last few years wasn't irresponsibility it was global demand for dollars.

>>54389820
Lol, as if reduction to "prime age breeding males" matters to demographics. The bottleneck is always women.
See population explosion after ww2 where like 1/3 of russian men die

>>54396404
This.

>>54396404
were 1/4 of breeding age women lesbians back then?

>>54386417
>the USA provides your food and keeps your trade lanes intact and built all your factories
LMAO imagine believing this crap

>>54395656
so you can't tell me 'what's happening right now'.
alright.

>>54381177
>Saudi Arabia enters trade alliance with China, Russia, India, Pakistan, and four Central Asian nations to step further away from reliance on the US dollar
Good luck piecing all those random symbols together to find the meaning

>>54398112
see>>54398242

>>54398242
>Good luck piecing all those random symbols together to find the meaning
you argue with a bunch of people, then when you're asked what you're trying to argue, you don't want to take a position anymore.
you're clearly concern trolling.

>>54398447
You're silly

>>54395314
>it's a loss
Infrastructure isn't supposed to be profitable. It has positive externalities. If your infrastructure is profitable, that means you're not doing enough of it.

Wish this board displayed country flags to see all the "ur delusional lol" posters being all from Romania and Pakistan and whatever else little shithole in existence