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>>54333567
SEXO SEXO SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

didnt monero get exploited or some shit recently? i thought i glanced over something on twitter about that

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

>>54333567
ill admit xmr threads have some of the best OC on biz currently. post more monero chan

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>AlphaBay STATUS UNCLEAR!!
>Archetyp
>Astra #
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Dark Matter
>Darkmoon
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Mellow Market
>Retro Market
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/yaUPVLvk


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/AnkqVGjp


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

Divegrass frens, /xmr/ are liv right now in the final day of Spring Test Cup

https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Spring_2023_Test_Cup

Anything that isn't PoW is a scam.
Anything that isn't ASIC resistant is a scam.

Threadly reminder that there is now a parallel XMR General on the darknet imageboard BitChan where you can post with the absolute maximum degree of privacy possible.

Why bother? Well, remember that every time you post on 4chan the content + your IP address are being logged and that data can and will be made available to LE/glowies upon request.

So if you need to ask a very delicate question, want to make a potentially incriminating announcement or you otherwise just absolutely positively DO NOT WANT to risk being deanonymized, the BitChan thread would be the place to do it.

The slightly higher barrier to entry also serves as a sorely needed retard filter, so a lot of us post there simply to avoid the hordes of mouth breathers that befoul this otherwise delightful basket weaving forum.

>How do I access BitChan?

You need to have I2P configured & running on your device. Fortunately, pre-configured browser bundles are now available and make everything easy. Since most of you lazy faggots are still using Windows we'll default to that for the following guide:

1. Visit https://i2pd.website/ and click on 'Download I2PdBrowser'.
2. Download either the I2PdBrowserPortable_xxx.7z or .exe file. Extract/install it.
3. Run the StartI2PdBrowser.bat batch file to launch. Adjust firewall settings/port forward as required. Port forwarding > UPnP

A cmd window will pop up and initialize the process. A windowed Firefox instance should soon appear. DO NOT RESIZE IT! Browser fingerprinting is a thing. Once pic-related appears you are officially browsing the darknet! You can monitor yr I2P service by visiting http://127.0.0.1:7070/ in yr *regular* browser.

Then simply copy/paste the following link into the address bar as per usual:

http://bitchan.i2p/thread/BM-2cVPN9mi9oBKATjNxKkopHJSCU9ah7wQwW/047186ce462d

You may have to complete a CAPTCHA on your first visit. Also, NEVER, EVER ENABLE JAVASCRIPT!!!!

Keep in mind that page loading takes longer on the darknet, so be patient.

>>54333686
Based and i2Pilled

>>54333644
thank God i wont be alive in 120 years to experience this armageddon

>>54333657
>Divegrass frens, /xmr/ are liv right now in the final day of Spring Test Cup

Love these. Are the previous matches available yet?

>>54333635
>>54333686
Why should I use i2pd instead of the install resources at geti2p.net?

>>54333715
>Why should I use i2pd instead of the install resources at geti2p.net?

No need to install Java + it tends to be faster. But either is fine.

>>54333703
For this tournament yeah

https://implying.fun/spring23tc/

>>54333556
5.4K with only half the threads of my 3700x seems shockingly good, I'm surprised more people don't mine with how easy this is. CPU is at 75C and I have no issues. 4C8T left over is enough for it to be truly unnoticable for browsing / productivity

>>54333567
>>54333592
>>54333620

i'm the guy that made the new ai monerochan model, you can find it and more pictures here https://civitai.com/models/23982/monerochan

should i make a wownerochan model next? it will be way more difficult because of lack of art so idk

what other crypto mascot girls are there?

>>54333803
Thank you for your service

>>54333775
Based monero miner stacking neros without the glowies ever knowing.

What are your margins like? Currently, you are DCA'ing into XMR through your electricity bill. Considering the extra amount you pay to electricity for mining, how different an XMR amount you would get if you instead DCA'ed into XMR using localmonero?

>>54333775
I don't mine because electricity in my country is ridiculously expensive

Reporting in
##################################
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

>>54333907
Pretty shit, most of the electricity here is produced through natural gas so it's gone fucking retarded. It's hard to calculate marginal power consumption exactly since I'm using my computer anyway, but it's close to breakeven. It's close enough that the being off by a few watts extra load average would push it from profitable to breakeven. I could get it down to something more accurate if I had more time to measure but it's better to look at it as a 1:1 electric bill monero ratio.

>>54334027
Hear me out: it is not bad that you are barely breaking even with the amount you pay extra to the electricity and the amount of XMR you get in return.

I now understand RandomX and the rationale of Monero's mining algo, better.

RandomX and CPU mining simply is a way for ANYONE in the world to fire up a computer, and "buy" XMR using their electricity bill. It is the ultimate decentralized exchange where fiat money gets exchanged for XMR. The added benefit of utmost anonymity for the Monero "buyer" in this case is just amazing. The govt mafia has no way to keep tabs on you or your XMR accumulation activities. You just turn on your CPU and accumulate the XMR at the breakeven cost of electricity. Nothing to "profit" off of (at least for now, we know XMR will 100x its price pretty soon with CBDC's). No funny businesses looking over hangars full of intel/amd CPUs. Just people using their computers to exchange 50 bucks of electricity for 50 bucks of XMR. That's it.

>>54333919
>>54334123
>>>/wsg/5022990
Actual footage of me mining monero

>>54333803
>should i make a wownerochan model next
I will literally pay you if you do

>>54334434
there's a wallet address on the model page wink nudge

>>54333803
Damn, one of the best LORAs i used, well done. Too bad i have decade old pc.

>>54333607
nah, one of the old devs got asked if they could help the police with something but apparently he never responded
even if he is lying, he didn't have access to the code at the time so it's not like he could've made any exploits.

>>54334642
you can use google colab for free, this notebook is my favorite: https://colab.research.google.com/github/Linaqruf/sd-notebook-collection/blob/main/cagliostro-colab-ui.ipynb

>>54333607
The most recent ACTUAL problem is the tx_extra bloat, which is more of a theoretical attack vector than a means by which people are actively harming the chain/network in any meaningful way. Basically encoding meme image data into transactions and broadcasting them, so the image is effectively stored in the chain forever. Could make the blockchain very large with that happening over a prolonged period. (has been fixed, pull request 8733)

What you might be thinking of is the guy on twitter who implied that the former lead maintainer was in cahoots with interpol (he came to this conclusion by asking ChatGPT)

Even if he was a glow agent whos sole job was to destroy monero, all of the code is open and auditable. The literal CIA could submit code and it's not making it to production unless it's non-spooky code.

>>54334753
Any downsides to this? Is it limited? It feels weird to use it on the cloud.

>>54333607
Monero is backdoored and the founder/lead dev was revealed to be an interpol plant helping the police deanonymize Monero users. The coping and damage control from monero cultists has been off the charts lately.

Lots of mining talk lately, I'll just leave this here https://pastebin.com/qz7qqdpt

>>54334968
it will time you out in like 12 hours but fully free, it's great

Monero is a bloat chain now.
It can't DAO, it can't stake.
Besides privacy wtf is the point?

>>54334979
No

>>54335045
Don't worry about it goyim

>>54335045
Don't need anything else. That's how you end up with sprawl.
Leave those to other chains.

>>54334979
https://twitter.com/librehash/status/1637907642638008325
i'm not seeing any links or proof, just fear-mongering and GPT-4. maybe if someone, i dunno, cited their claims i'd believe them.

>54335045
>beside privacy, whats the point?
Topkek, good one anon, this has to be b8 right?

>>54332206
>I am so anonimous the cucked ceo of my company begs the goverment for approval
>inflation bugs
>chad xmr devs doing the reliable job while zniggers can't realistically find if zcash has inflation bugs.

>>54335045

MakerDAO is literally controlled by a few whales, the retards decided to stay on usdc when in reality the us dollar will be hit hard the next few months and we know how susceptible is circle to the bankruns of the banking system, etherium is a premined shitcoin where 70% of all etheriums were premined by the etherium foundation and partners and 60% of the nodes are in the united states in amazon web services, its also bloated as fuck and slow as fuck. Literally a fucking shitcoin and i would rather use solana but after ftx we can't trust solana again and it suffers outages. Literally almost the entire market is fucking dogshit and not decentralized. Bitcoin is decentralized but heck 2 pools control more than 51% of hash power and it can't simply decentralize, proof of stake is simply the classic banking system. Literally most crypto is fucking dogshit.

>>54334604
If you make wownerochan with big booba I will donate

>>54333803
>>54334642
>>54335165
these are unironically beautiful, anon. If you put in your XMR address, I will donate a few neros your way.
>>54334604
couldn't see it. where?

>>54334979
I wonder if you are simply a fucking bot using tje 4chan pass to not resolve captchas either way fluffy wasnt the founder and we don't have a fucking ceo cucked by the goverment with backdoors on our code while our chad developers are still hiding like chad satoshi originally was. Zcash may be a bitcoin clone but its fucking worse than that try to help your cucked ceo with his inflation bugs for once lmao

>>54335233
at the end of the model description, click show more

>>54335195
i'll make it next week probably, have another model cooking rn

>>54335278
do you have a guide for making these?

>>54335400
i use kohya scripts https://github.com/kohya-ss/sd-scripts

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

LOL

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

This is what Monero chuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

>>54336002
your mascot is sacrilegious and your coin is fully cucked

>>54334979
>1+1 is 3 and the has always been 3, breaking all of mathematics. The coping and damage control from the math cultists has been off the charts recently
lol repeat a lie enough and people will actually start believing that there is something behind it. But to recap because it is needed for the retards.

>Fluffy stepped down in 2019 from the core maintainer position, hasn't had a commit to any monero codebase since 2020
>Fluffy was a maintainer not a developer, his job wasn't creating features
>the official domains are controlled by different people, the releases as signed by a different person, the CCS is managed by different people, the github is controlled by different people, Fluffy has no more control than you have over the codebase
>MyMonero is indeed very bad for privacy, but nobody uses is because keeping your crypto in a webwallet is something that only Web3tards are stupid enough to do
>MyMonero is abandonware, it is not maintained, promoted, or used
>no LLM, be it GPT-4 or ChatGPT, is a valid source
>Fluffy was arrested on charges from a decade ago relating to non-crypto ventures (privacy coin takes off, public figure number 1 gets harassed. go figure)
>5 out of 7 core devs are still anonymous, there are devs that are the public face of Monero. And there are ones who aren't
>his arrest was in 2021, we are in 2023
>since his arrest Monero has moved on it terms of technology, even if you suppose Fluffy for no reason just kept a privacy bug to himself, the tech has upgraded since. We had RandomX, protocol changes, CLSAG&MLSAG changes, higher ring sizes, BP+s implemented and more.

Feel free to reference this if another retard comes in.

>>54335844
I fucking hate that CBDC coin and all that stand in opposition to true peer to peer electronic cash.

>>54334642
>絶対領域
jesus take the wheel

>>54336137
>5 out of 7 core devs are still anonymous, there are devs that are the public face of Monero. And there are ones who aren't
Just curious, who is doxxed and who isn't? Further, how do they even stay anonymous over IRC? Last time I tried joining over Tor it stated that I needed an account, but you can't create an account in libera chat. Pretty disappointing considering it is literally named LIBERA chat and yet they block Tor.

Also, we both know that the zcash shill is simply latching on to anything he can. He did the same thing when there was nonsense going on about "OH MUH GOD! MONERO IS CONTROLLED BY 11 NODES OWNED BY FLUFFYPONY AND MY SOURCE IS A TWITTER THREAD!!"

He literally does this every chance he can because he knows zcash is dead and needs to try to confuse others into somehow accepting it over true p2p digital cash.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>54335173
The only real DAO is Decred.
Gtfo with maker.

The new s_ilk r_0ad will be on decred Bison relay.
Have fun using the dcr dex

>>54336585
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

>>54336585
Fucking absolutely justed

>>54336276
>he knows zcash is dead and needs to try to confuse others
you have to give some compassion to barry. failure to do so is antisemitic

>>54334980
neat!

>>54336715
This makes me think about the CakeWallet twitter handle feature.

If for example your twitter handle is @CockSnapper, you can put your address in your twitter bio or pinned tweet and someone can send you funds simply by entering "@CockSnapper" in the address field on cakewallet.

Probably poor opsec

>>54336826
Sounds like bad opsec

>>54333686
Does the tor browser on Tails automatically load i2p websites or do I need a special browser or to do some funky shit with the OS?

>>54337037
Dont use tails, tor is set by default to puah everything through tor. If you want an amnesiac os similar to tails check out prestium

>>54333701

>he's not going to live 10000 years

pathetic

>>54337097
I like prestium but honestly I don't trust it as much as tails simply because the one guy making it is less experienced than the people working on tails. Nothing wrong with it (he isn't backdooring it or some shit) but I would use it with caution if doing anything truly questionable until it matures.

>>54336715
>>54336618
>>54336585

>>54337256
>until it matures
Couldnt agree more. But as a way to get on and start learning and playing with i2p its pretty good

what's atomswap dot net? scam?

>>54337097
>gun printer monero chan
holy based

>>54337523
What's even going on with them after Jstark's murder?

>>54336585
lol is this fag trying to pretend he cares about privacy again?

>>54337649
they're doing fine
https://ctrlpew.org

>>54333686
>recommended it just last thread
>Already a copypasta
Please don't casualize it, it would be a lot less fun if the glowniggers and normalfaggots jump on it. Just namedropping eep and bitch should be enough for the enlightened.

>>54337097
as soon as we boot the os we can start browsing i2p sites?

>>54337923
By the sound of it, you need to do some reading on i2p in general, not spoonfeeding beyond that

the new ai thing is amazing. btw, fumos might be available as early as tomorrow, definitely this week.

>>54337916
>just namedropping eep
Agree there shouldnt be spoonfeeding to get people in, there should be a level of resistance to overcome

>>54337923
git gud fgt

>>54338003
>>54338325
ok, so it's not like tails

>>54338356
In the time between your posts you could have read up on both topics and maybe even learned something.

>>54333686
>Port forwarding > UPnP
>secure_mode = 1

Waowzers i fixed it

How many neros for a hobby farm and monerochan-daisy duke waifu?

>>54333567
>LocalMonero
>Morphtoken
>Bisq
>Kucoin
>Tradeogre
>Crypto ATMs
Which one of these is best?

god i want to fall asleep on her butt

>>54339912
>LM
Fuck that site, I've had an account for a month in a major metro area and not one fucking person wants to swap.
>>54339574
Diversify, nigger.
>>54340028
Imagine telling strangers online how horny you are like anyone else cares. If you were this horny for money maybe you'd actually get some, poor.

>>54340202
Is there even any point to using these nonkyc services?

>>54340202
god i want to fall asleep on her butt

>>54340202
>LM
I've used it before. Works fine, I did a prepaid visa though. I will agree that their offers can be lacking. Speaking of which, does anyone know how they go about draining a prepaid card (Visa, gift card, etc.)? I've never really seen a straightforward answer

>>54339574
Bout tree fiddy

who is behind monerochan?

>>54333600
Why do I need to use a separate wallet to mine?
Will another "account" on my wallet be enough?

>>54338075
sell them on moneromarket

>>54340836
My understanding is that p2pool uses a public-ish sidechain to keep track of miners and only currently supports the main wallet address. For privacy reasons, you'd want to use a separate wallet for mining on it. Think of it like how traditional pools can see your address. Go to p2pool.observer and you can see the addresses as they mine

>>54341576
That's actually the guy running MoneroSupplies, so he already has a site for his fumos

>>54341628
oh cool

>>54340836
Monero's direct mining rewards can only be sent to Primary Addresses (the ones beginning with 4..).
P2Pool is a decentralized mining pool for Monero (which is awesome) that uses direct mining rewards (coinbase payments) to pay its miners.

If, previously, you have used your existing wallet's Primary Address to mine some neros, and you may have regitered your name/email/IP address to that Primary Address with other mining pools, then, using the same Primary Address may pose some privacy vulnerability.

That's why it is recommended to generate a wholly new monero wallet, and use the new Primary Address that this new wallet brings (there is one Primary Address per wallet in monero).

With Seraphis + Jamtis upgrade, this unnecessary confusion between a Primary Address and Secondary Address will disappear. There will only be Jamtis addresses (which start with xmr1...) and you will be able to use any Jamtis addresses in your wallet to mine some neros.

Here's a conference presentation about Seraphis + Jamtis upgrade that is in the works:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xGEBRQU1lzw

>>54339912
localmonero is scam.
1. It blocks if from Russia.
2. I asked Alex (Agoradesk) in matrixchat if he will give information to police if needed and he said YES.

Now I am trying to remove localmonero from getmonero.oeg and monerica.com.

Localmonero is SCAM and we need to remove it from OP-post.

>>54341853
>localmonero is scam.
No it isn't. You are retard who goes parabolic whenever a business does something that you don't like.

LM is a registered, regulated company. Since the ukraine war, it has to abide by the trade embargos and restrictions that are levied on Russia.

Again, since it is a registered and regulated business, Alex has to say tyat he will co-operate will LE if he is forced to.

For the lurkers here is more information on this without the unnecessary hyperboles from the abkve retard:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=b8doqAedR6A

>>54341980
You are idiot, and Alex Agoradesk is idiot too.
There is no such law where is written to ban russian ip.

Today they ban russian ip, tomorrow they ban Belarus, they day after - China, and next will be your country. And sure they will give an ip to police.
Nothing personal, just business!
We don't need that kind of business in monero - secure and private coin.
Localmonero is literally honeypot.

>>54337923
No, you need yo do some shit before jumping into i2p.
Also some faggots in this thread acting like if i2p was some kind of secret cult that must be kept secret and at the same time begging ppl to run i2p node coz it improves network. The irony.
If you got any information that could help another person, just say it.

>>54340202
>Fuck that site, I've had an account for a month in a major metro area and not one fucking person wants to swap.
are there not any trades happening at all in your area or is it someone else getting most of the business?

>>54334753
that was really easy just pressed the play button in order next to each script section than pasted the https://civitai.com/models/23982/monerochan in the custom_model_url box then when the remote.moe link came up clicked on that and added the monerochan, 1girl, colored inner hair, long orange hair, orange skirt, orange capelet, dark crop top, sleeves, navel, midriff, thighhighs, orange eyes, letter m, round stud earrings, cosplay
stuff to generate one

She kind of looks like she's wearing chino-chans outfit maybe the hat

>>54337923
Watch this tutorial: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xHxGm6BK6j0

>>54338075
Of course UPS can't stick to their original time. I'öö just tell you guys when they have arrived.
For the certificate thingy, would you rather have a photography of the plushy on it or some exisitng monerochan artpiece?

>>54335967
Why is this mascot so glow-engineered to appease to the lowest common 4chan denominator?
>loli
>rosary with cross
What /pol/ lolicons do they want to catch?

I'm retarded. How do I buy monero? I'm tired of my cornball ass country (USA) hiking up taxes.

>>54334979
It's funny cause bitcoin was literally created by glowies you fucking faggot.

>>54344434
It the first post homeboy

WHERE TO GET MONERO?

>KYC:
Kraken
Binance
Bitfinex

>Non KYC:
LocalMonero
Morphtoken
Bisq
Kucoin
Tradeogre
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me

>Mining
archive.is/TWOah
---
In general bank money- to crpto is kyc.
Crypto to crypto is not.
Also cash by mail via local monero
Also mining using a cpu or gpu via moneroocean. You can even rent a rig

>>54344434
send me your life savings and I will buy it for you.

>>54344434
Unless you own a bank Goodluck transferring all that money to an exchange and into your monero wallet because somewhere on the line it will be traceable.

>>54344479
As I said I'm kinda retarded. Thanks bro.

What are you guys going to give wowchan for her birthday, I don't want to accidentally get her the same gift as everyone else.

>>54342990
doesn't really work. for that guy is works right out of the box. with me it just doesn't open any site at all.
*vm with bridge adapter*

can we still win the arms race against cdbcs?
is there still time?

>>54345232
Literally sit back and chill

>>54334123
You're not wrong and there's still some time to participate in the mining network with consumer-grade hardware and actually make something out of it. I recommend people to get started as soon as they can, if only to learn more about the project you support and become a more knowledgeable human.
I say there's still some time because at some point monero will become common knowledge, and when that's the case you'll see way more hardware joining the mining network because every person will want their piece of the cake. You'll get full data centers using their idle servers to mine monero, botnet operators going full scale, people with cheap energy buying old servers to start their own mining farms. When that happens we normalfags will have a harder time with our single consumer grade CPU.

>>54342316
>There is no such law where is written to ban russian ip.
Sanctions under OFAC do. Sending money or goods from the US to Russia is now on the same level as sending them to Iran, Cuba, Syria, or North Korea. Even if your IP was unblocked no one could legally transact.
>and next will be your country
The US government placing sanctions on itself would be the silliest thing it has ever done. I would love to see them try.

>>54333607
Most of those statements are gross misscharacterisations or outright false.
I will never understand the people who choose to live like this.

>>54337916
>Please don't casualize it,

What is this supposed to mean exactly?

>it would be a lot less fun if the glowniggers and normalfaggots jump on it.

Glowniggers are already tracking darknet forum activity, fortunately without the ability to harvest IP addresses.

And without curious normies we'll eventually run out of fresh blood and dwindle.

Understand that I2P is currently under attack and that every additional user we help get started is one more soldier in the fight, the more users there are the stronger the network becomes.

Putting up roadblocks to normie I2P adoption is therefore the exact opposite of what we need, we were all normies once and greatly appreciated the assistance of oldfags when it was necessary. Pay it forward.


>Just namedropping eep and bitch should be enough for the enlightened.

Doing that will just result in a litany of "so how do I connect to this BitChan?" posts.

You really think "figure it out yourself" is going to be the most pragmatic answer?


>>54338130
>Agree there shouldnt be spoonfeeding to get people in, there should be a level of resistance to overcome

Is not installing I2P, forwarding the required ports and completing the vexing CAPTCHAs tribulation enough, sire?

>>54340230
Yeah, if you don't want Uncle Scam in that ass, but all big dick cypher-chads just love to rage against the globohomo.
>>54342494
A little bit of both. I'm wanting to focus on local meetups, even offering a markup to do so, but it really does seem like most guys are so paranoid of a sting that mail is the way to go, even though its the gayest since its the slowest
>>54345232
Best chance is to anchor against the tide of USD that was going to turn fiat savings to dust. The narrative is that while the dollar dies, busted financing will actually cause a deflation of real assets to their actual value, which is why the precious metals guys are so riled up for it. But assuming the whole 5k/ozag narrative has merit, that would mean 200x inflation, which while being hard to fathom, isn't impossible in this financial climate. Places like Lebanon and Venezuela seem to be living in the future if that's the case.
>>54346691
Yes, git gud fgt.

>>54346358
>Most of those statements are gross misscharacterisations or outright false.
>I will never understand the people who choose to live like this.
I think people are overly emotional and IMO it damages everyone in the industry. The people who do these things are not paid shills, it's just people who picked a different team (that's their perspective of these things) and they believe that by damaging monero they're lifting their own team (be it bitcoin, zcash, dollar, whatever).
It's based on emotions. The scene is full of emotional retards.
There's one guy in the Brazilian scene called "Renato 38" who wrote a book about bitcoin and who is very knowledgeable and he's been appearing in a lot of popular podcasts. He talks a lot about freedom, about privacy and about how the state hates you and that fiat is a ponzi scheme — lots of common sense to us but novelty to most. He goes to the extreme of saying that if you search for your own bitcoin address on an blockchain explorer you're doxxing yourself (he's not completely wrong). The point is that he always says that bitcoin is the only project worth anything and everything else with no exception are scams. I looked on his twitter for mentions about monero and he posted only once a few years ago saying that sidechains like Lightning and Liquid are more secure than the monero network.
I don't get it. It makes no sense to be against monero, even less if you're pro-privacy, pro-freedom. I'm not saying you need to become a cheerleader for the project or anything but come on.
It's mind boggling. They're too emotionally invested in this shit and they can't think straight. This is the only explanation.

>>54346799

TL;DR: bagholders care more about moons & lambos than about the revolution. Crypto is perceived to be a zero-sum game so if you're not buying MY coin you're not pumping MY bags and that is UNACCEPTABLE.

>>54333803
ssl handshake error :(

>>54346799
>They're too emotionally invested in this shit and they can't think straight. This is the only explanation.

It's pretty much just liberty vs tyranny and tyranny owns all the communication platforms except for corners of the Internet where tyranny resorts to psyops and astroturfing to accomplish the goals it otherwise promotes effortlessly on it's fully controlled communication networks.

Tyranny pays its employees in monopoly money that they can buy Tyranny-mart products with, so people work for Tyranny. Most people haven't learned yet how to work for liberty, because it's been about 150 years of straight media control (so people have been born, lived, and died all inside the television era) -- but we're making inroads.

>>54346799
>They're too emotionally invested in this shit
Let them I guess. Btc is not reclaiming DM usage anytime soon, when there is alternative that "just works".
Considering that is the only place where crypto is used as money and not speculation asset I think xmr is on good trajectory.
>and they can't think straight.
Honestly both could be said about this general.
I like to think I'm critical thinker but everytime I bring some concerns I get called out btc maxi(literally only holding xmr)

>>54347043
>I bring some concerns

Such as?

>>54347079
Haveno GUI is fucking DEAD.
They raised money, created some boiler plate react or whatever and peaced cause "lol xmr price is too low and we need 150k+ for this super complicated UI".
Farcaster is fucking DEAD. Two years of delays just to create something that doesn't even work. 2k+ xmr grabbed and they peaced out.
Molly seems dead, I don't see any development.
The fact that some guy every few months switches on his servers and almost gets one pool to 50% is worrisome.
The price action is also quite bad.
Call me moonfag or whatever I don't care.
We all know btc and eth are fucking worthless but since their numbers are up they have shit load of devs polishing those pieces of shit.
Imagine how much development would there be on xmr if it would be top 3.

I'm quite excited for seraphis but these are legitimate issues.

>>54347211
The Haveno GUI saga is why you should only ever hire autists and assburgers to do the initial work on an open source project. Webshitter normies will bolt on a shiny UI for free to pad their resumes as long as there exists some ugly but usable initial UI for them to steal from.

>>54346799
You have to understand that its a real possibility that this is all one big attempt of consensus cracking using bots and gatekeeping shills. Its the same thing they are doing with the right wing any time the JQ is brought up

>>54341825
By that logic, is it also bad practice to use your main wallet's Primary Address as the target for pool mining? Can that be connected to personal information in the same way? Or is the potential for privacy breach a uniquely P2P concern?
Still trying to learn the ropes and work out some early mistakes.

>>54347211
>Haveno GUI is fucking DEAD.
a 2nd layer thing now working = monero bad?
>Farcaster
a 2nd layer thing now working = monero bad?
>Molly
a 2nd layer thing now working = monero bad?

>The fact that some guy every few months switches on his servers and almost gets one pool to 50% is worrisome.

There are ways to check if there is 51% attack abuses, also this is an inherent weakness in common to all POW blockcahin tech. and guess what it was fixed by P2pool which will replace all conventional pools in time. Also you can fork. BOT miners are more of an a asset that a liability. far better than asics production by one guy and mining buy a few corporations. BTC is defacto 100% attacked and compromised all the time.

>The price action is also quite bad.

Moofag. Also THE BEST PERFORMING asset of 2022, funny how all the BTC, gold, silver stock market niggers were quiet for 12 months. the price suppression means it works. there should be a breaking point. its stable. because it doesn't dump due to a wallstreet pump and dump. I do not even agree its le bad price.

I'm not calling you a BTC maxi, I just do not see your critical thinking skills in action

>>54346728
>I'm wanting to focus on local meetups, even offering a markup to do so, but it really does seem like most guys are so paranoid of a sting that mail is the way to go
Honestly, personally, if hypothetically I wanted non-KYC monero, I don't see why I'd ever go for an in-person meetup. Why risk potential facial recognition, potential geolocation tracking (and yes 99% of people will probably expect to bring their phone to check the monero TX in their wallet), and generally having a direct and clear witness to the transaction? It's not even about a sting operation, but since you're a dealer, say tomorrow Monero possession is made criminal and punishable by jail, you get busted and offered to cooperate with law enforcement. Why give you the possibility to pick out my face and testify that we had a deal?

Cash by mail is so superior - at least for the buyer - it's not even close. It's completely anonymous, you don't know me at all, nobody can track me. All I'm doing is going to the local post office, I can drop off a bunch of letters/packages at once and "omit" the return address on some of them. If I'm ordering special delivery I can pay by cash. The teller is going to be seeing 100s of people every day, and I drop off legitimate packages and letters regularly, it's literally never going to be remembered.
Maybe for the seller it's worse because you need a permanent postal address for people to send the cash to, and that's hard to do anonymously. But for a buyer, I'd pick cash by mail any day over in-person, unless I were in a hurry to close the deal NOW (and even then, with next-day delivery, the difference is quite small unless you're available to schedule meetups literally within a couple of hours).

>>54347782
>a 2nd layer thing now working = monero bad?
I don't understand what your "le funny" nonsensical sentence supposed to mean.
I'm just sad community funded projects die and nobody seems to care.
>far better than asics production by one guy and mining buy a few corporations.
Never said it wasn't did I? We all know ASICS are evil and everything that isn't pow is scam.

>>54342316
Anon, you realize they have a hidden service and don't require ID, right? There's no reason why you couldn't get around that ban.

>>54347782
>now
not*
>>54347782
>THE BEST PERFORMING asset of 2022, funny how all the BTC, gold, silver stock market niggers were quiet for 12 months
Even Manarino of Wallstreet, who pinned XMRs price on his website after the monero talk interview with Doug. Went out of his way avoid mentioning XMR when giving good performing assets for 2022 in his show advice.

>>54346799
This. You see this on all sides too - I see people who are rabidly against zcash even though I think their zkp tech is interesting and it's worth watching how the space evolves. Like yes, zcash is conceptually inferior to monero, but that doesn't mean that its tech is currently broken.

>>54348195

Perfection.

>>54347782
>a 2nd layer thing now working = monero bad?
Not that anon but he never said monero is bad, or broken, or anything. He literally said monero is the only crypto he's holding, do you think he'd be doing that if he thought it was bad?

But these 2nd layer projects would all have been beneficial for monero adoption and usability. The fact that they're dead and/or their fate is uncertain, is not a good thing. The fact that they got funded by the community and then ran with the money is even worse.
Again that doesn't mean monero is dead or broken or anything. However those things are still bad and worth discussing. It's impossible to have a proper discussion when any time something is pointed out someone goes "YEAH BUT MONERO IS STILL THE BEST HUH NOW WHAT?" Like yeah cool it's the best but it also has room for improvements, let's discuss these improvements. Let's discuss past mistakes and what it would take to avoid them.

>also this is an inherent weakness in common to all POW blockcahin tech. and guess what it was fixed by P2pool which will replace all conventional pools in time
It's an inherent weakness but that doesn't mean it isn't worth worrying about. p2pool is out but so far the traditional pools still exist and the problem is still real.
Again yes it doesn't mean monero is fucking broken. But "I have some concerns" doesn't mean "I believe monero is dead", and so "yeah but monero still works so NOW WHAT HUH" is not a valid response.

>>54347211
as someone who spends his freetime attending the meetings for no apparent reason other than to get angry:

>Haveno GUI is fucking DEAD.
thank fuck Cake pledged to finish this one.
>Farcaster is fucking DEAD.
Havent heard much about that thing but it seems like they completed their work, feels pretty dead thouhg, yeah.
Thank fuck BasicSwapDex gave us working atomic swaps and is working on improving them too.
>Molly seems dead
They recently wanted another 35k, fuck them.
>The price action is also quite bad
Im not down anywhere near the 90% most r/cc retards are so that's win in my book.

the whole CCS process is a major shitshow but still a better process than most other funding structures in crypto.

>>54347858
Well said. My only problem like I said is having to deal with shipping packages and interception, which is becoming more often due to diversity hires.

Also, to any XMR sellers, how do you feel about sending before receiving? Do you use escrow services for larger amounts, anything that can be done to mitigate risk or doubt?

>>54348417
>the whole CCS process is a major shitshow
Yep. If I was a product owner I would be furious what's happening there.

In a real world(I know, not something neets have experience with) delivery/project managers are constantly being fired for delivering poor quality products.
I work in certain company where fines in millions are quite common due to missed SLAs and KPIs.

>>54348366
There is a difference between concerns with the Monero project in terms of its core protocol and network, and problems related to external projects that did not come to fruition.
I absolutely agree that it's concerning to have external projects that were funded by the community and are now dead. At worst, this collective learning experience will ensure that new CCS projects undergo much greater scrutiny before being funded, with new delivery conditions for payment preferably.
This situation is classic in the scene: during a bull run, as the price begins to increase, many people become interested in working on the project and contributing in some way. However, when things cool off, these same people lose their motivation and abandon their projects. This is more of a fundamentally human problem than one related to monero and its community.
Unfortunately, there is a scarce number of developers who are willing to work voluntarily, even fewer when considering that working on something related to Monero can be considered an inherent risk. Unfortunately, this is just how it is.

>>54348674
>There is a difference between concerns with the Monero project in terms of its core protocol and network, and problems related to external projects that did not come to fruition.
While I asbolutely agree, the rest of your post goes on to talk about how it is nevertheless concerning when the community projects fail and what lessons should be drawn from it, which I absolutely agree with as well.

But like half the time when something along these lines is mentioned, it's a 50/50 on whether the replies will be normal or whether you'll immediately be called a maxi/ztranny/fudder, as if speaking any wrong at all about anything monero-related is heretical. Not always, but it feels that way far more often than it should, and makes it annoying to use this general as a place to talk about monero with monero enthusiasts. It feels like some people treat this as a place to talk about monero only with 100% yes-men that can never care to have a discussion other than "monero is so great!", or shills and invaders that need to be put down and insulted asap.
I'm giving bitchan a try, the discussion seems like it could be more productive on average, though the tradeoff is that it's much slower of course and I primarily lurk so there's not much for me to contribute there.

>>54348745
I don't come here very often but I certainly believe you, as tribalism really is a disease in contemporary societies both online and offline.
I think the best you can do is try to articulate your concerns or subjects that you want to talk about as clearly as you can, as to avoid misinterpretation. Also unfortunately you might have to add a lot of disclaimers like "I'm not a bitcoin maximalist and I'm a monero user, I just want to talk about <this> because I think it's important and I'm not trying to shill anything" which fucking sucks of course but as I've mentioned elsewhere people are emotional retards.
It's tiresome I know.

>>54348366
>Not that anon but he never said monero is bad, or broken, or anything. He literally said monero is the only crypto he's holding, do you think he'd be doing that if he thought it was bad?
He literally did:

>I like to think I'm critical thinker but everytime I bring some concerns I get called out btc maxi(literally only holding xmr).
-Slippery sloping 2nd layer / social issues with monero, not XMR itself (but putting in I hold only XMR in brackets so its OK, just a prank bro).
>>54348366
>Like yeah cool it's the best but it also has room for improvements
cool. What would you like improving?
(This should not include things like some 3rd party exchanges exit scamming or 2nd layers scammers scamming tantrums, technical limitations to blockchain tech itself, or laws of nature concerns as a general concern, what if math stops working bro)

>>54348366
>It's an inherent weakness but that doesn't mean it isn't worth worrying about. p2pool is out but so far the traditional pools still exist and the problem is still real.
You answered your own question. Yea solar flairs endanger all electronics but that doesn't mean it isn't worth worrying about.

>>54348366
>But "I have some concerns"
Concern trolling both from you and BTC maxi guy. I see your tactics are evolving.

The guys stated that this general is dogmatic when addressing XMR issues like bitcorn ppl. Which is a blatant lie. Check out breaking monero series, we do not mind constructive criticism and know moneros limitations
anon asks him what is his issue:
>>54347079
>Such as?
He (straw maned, slippery sloped) answers issues not related to monero but some 2nd layers stuff and general nonsense not particular related to monero itself.
No one called them a btc maxi for monero discussions but for concern fagging, just like you

t. concern troll BTC maxifag

>>54348235
Zchas troll/shill.
Your shitcoin has backdoor just like your devs. Optional privacy, funded by glowies and a compliance cuck coin. nice try tho

>>54348745
>But like half the time when something along these lines is mentioned, it's a 50/50 on whether the replies will be normal or whether you'll immediately be called a maxi/ztranny/fudder,

I'm freak which frequents this general almost daily for years, not once have I seen someone call someone a nigger for scrutinizing the CCS or other bullshit, in fact we all do. So your statement is blatant lie.
We do see concern trolling from time to time when bitcorn pumps, its just your season i guess

>>54348953
>He literally did:
>
>>I like to think I'm critical thinker but everytime I bring some concerns I get called out btc maxi(literally only holding xmr).
No, we must be talking different versions of English, because I don't see where in that sentence he says he thinks Monero as a currency is broken, or Monero core is flawed.

I'm not gonna bother responding to the rest of your post because it boils down to saying that it's... what, offtopic to discuss things which aren't strictly monero core? Is stuff like haveno offtopic for this general? I dunno, back before haveno crashed and burned, there was quite a bit of discussion about how it could improve things around exchanging and usability. I also feel like projects directly adjacent to Monero, and the usage of Monero, would logically be on-topic for this general; I mean people regularly discuss how to obtain monero through centralised exchanges, and that seems WAY more off-topic by these metrics than a project literally meant to integrate with Monero.

But hey, if you think this is all off-topic and shouldn't be discussed since it doesn't pertain strictly to the core L1 monero protocol or codebase, fair enough. See you on bitchan (or hopefully don't, since I hope the discussion there can maintain a somewhat higher quality than here on 4shit).

And no, I have like 100 bucks in BTC just for fun, and I bought zcash once then the chief nigger tweeted that they can make it traceable enough for law enforcement and I sold it within, like, that same month.

>>>54349064
>Zchas troll/shill.
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. ZSNARK viability is being seriously considered at the MRL: https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/100
Is it gonna be implemented? Maybe not. But notice that they are able to hold a fucking discussion about whether or not it's good enough, whereas me mentioning the name of zcash immediately got me branded "troll/shill".

>>54349105
>No, we must be talking different versions of English, because I don't see where in that sentence he says he thinks Monero as a currency is broken, or Monero core is flawed.

That is your problem trolly boy. His post is not about monero having issues, but this general supposedly calling them a BTC maxi for monero criticism. When prompted to give an example, they couldn't.

>>54349105
>ZSNARK viability is being seriously considered
Yes, so ?. However as your paymasters know, you post 10+ spam post with bad memes about zchas here daily which is annoying and is the definition of shill cunt. this is what is called out. Nobody here minds tech discussion if its genuine and has purpose besides shilling.

Again your cheap attempts to derail with a slippery slope. There is a small chance your just bad with logic, but again that's your issue than

>>54349227
>However as your paymasters know, you post 10+ spam post with bad memes about zchas here daily which is annoying and is the definition of shill cunt
Yes refer right back to >>54349105
>me mentioning the name of zcash immediately got me branded "troll/shill".
I've never posted a zcash meme - not even as a shitpost, I'm far too lazy even for that.
You don't have to believe me, but my entire point is that I brought up zcash tech once and now I apparently have to justify that I'm not the shill spammer. You can believe whatever you want, but the fact that in your mind I'm now THE shill is precisely my point in that even just normal technical discussion is stifled.

>>54347858
I don't get why people would be paranoid when XMR isn't yet illegal, not in the US at least. I think it's probably just laziness and social ineptitude.
Anyway, at a post office, you are 100% captured on camera and who know what kind of spooks they run on the footage.
Of course, you can just drop it into a mailbox, but lack of tracking or insurance becomes your issue now.
>>54348493

If I were a dealer, there's no way I'm sending XMR before money is in hand. I'd be fine with cash by mail but the price would be determined when the cash is received, so if the market is volatile the amount of XMR you get could be a surprise- either good or bad lmao.

>>54344906
nfts

>XMR is the cool, hacker, privacy coin.
>Is backdoored by Interpol.

How you doing today /biz/? Everything alright??

>>54349801
"Sir you forgot your bags, also the front desk needs to speak to you about your bill, we don't accept tranny coins, do you have any USD?"

>>54346940

i will not rest until i get my monerochan figurine.

>>54350198
Is this real or ai? I would pay one million goydollars for this.

>54349801
Fud is dead in the water, faggot

>>54347211
>The price action is also quite bad.

Price action in an irrational market is inherently meaningless. We're talking about a market that values literal dog memes higher than a fully functional medium of exchange that facilitates the buying and selling of actual goods and services.

You know very well this state of affairs cannot last indefinitely, there will eventually come a day of reckoning when all cryptos are held to account and RATIONALLY evaluated by a sobered up market.

And that is the day when you'll finally understand why we were never worried about the "shitty" historic price action.


>We all know btc and eth are fucking worthless but since their numbers are up they have shit load of devs polishing those pieces of shit.

Fat lot of good that does if there is no genuine adoption forthcoming.

Oh, and HODLing doesn't count as adoption,


>Imagine how much development would there be on xmr if it would be top 3.

Unfortunately, as a real-world currency Monero has to earn its stripes the old-fashioned way.

>>54350298
I agree with your post (minus the spacing) but
>>Imagine how much development would there be on xmr if it would be top 3.
>
>Unfortunately, as a real-world currency Monero has to earn its stripes the old-fashioned way.
Your statement isn't wrong but are you saying that more dev power wouldn't be helpful?
There's lots of things that need implementing and/or researching, both in monero itself and in the ecosystem adjacent to it to facilitate usage, and time seems to be the bottleneck rather than lack of ideas.

Which one of you was the lucky one who won 1 XMR by betting 0.07 XMR?

https://monero.win/#/game/92b1e482fb9998b1

>>54350198
>>54350245
based /buyfag/.

>>54350343
>Your statement isn't wrong but are you saying that more dev power wouldn't be helpful?

Of course it would be, I'm just pointing out that you can't rely on temporarily "good" price action to attract committed devs, this is where having ideologically-driven devs (as XMR does) confers an advantage.

Monero is growing organically, slowly but surely. Real-world adoption is happening before our very eyes, this will gradually grow Monero's profile which in turn will draw in more talent. Just gotta let nature takes its course.

In the long run, actual adoption is all that truly matters, because it is the driver of everything else.

>>54350245
ai. im looking into making her real. it just requires 10k$ on the low end.
i _could_ pull it off if i registered a legit business but cucked laws would mean I have to doxx my full name and address if i do that.

the closest thing to a monerochan figurine for the foreseeable future will be the fumos which will go up for sale this week on "preorder".
This isnt some kickstarter-stlye scam-preorder though, they only go on sale once they get to me and I'll post pics of the girls. I'll just need some time to print the certificates and figure out how to minmax shipping.

>>54350558
>they only go on sale once they get to me and I'll post pics of the girls.
post your cute hands holding the fumo again owo :3

>>54350198
You wouldn't print monero chan(pic related)

>>54350558
>ai. im looking into making her real. it just requires 10k$ on the low end.

Sounds like something that could be crowdsourced.

>>54350583
i thought about saying "fuck it", getting a resin printer and handpainting them but then i read about people loosing eyeballs to resin, how it stinks up your entire place and most importantly remembered I'm not good at painting :/

>>54350581
you know that in the sample images was just the nice chinese lady replying to my messages at 3 am her time, right

>>54350645
You can make enclosures on budget so it's really not that bad, hell you can always ask some warhammer player to print it for you, but
>most importantly remembered I'm not good at painting
Yeah that's biggest issue for me.
I have one resin 3d printed figure and even from the most basic printed it looks nice, but it will stay forever colorless since I have painting skills of 5 years old and the patience of adhd zoomer

>>54350629
i think a kickstarter would bring the same problem with having to doxx myself.

we could do crowdsource thing with xmr but then id have to turn it into cash and way more important: what the fuck happens if there are problems?
fumos took 6 whole months and I'm still scared the box arriving this week is just a pile of cloth, shredded by customs.

just shipping 15$ mugs was stressfull, fumos can't break but shipping a bunch of 200-500$ figurines is a whole nother level ,:)

my plan right now is to focus on the fumos, enjoy monerokon and then move on from there.

oh yeah, if you can't live without a monerochan on your desk, monerosupplies.com also has acrylic standees (i've heard they might go on sale for moneros birthday 0.o)

I'm gonna... I'm gonna... I'm gonna moneroooooooo oohhhh I'm monerooooiiing~~~

>>54341853
>>54342316
considering joining the I2P thread to avoid literal midwits like this shitting up the chat.
>Yeah you're doxxed? BUT WHY NO AVOID THE FEDS BRO! JUST DON'T LISTEN TO THEM AND GO TO PRISON BRO!

>>54347619
No one you transact with will know that you use same wallet for mining, receiving and spending.
Monero wallets allow you to have subaddresses for receiving XMR.
And your spending cannot be traced back to your public addresses.
People recommend multiple wallets and these kinds of things for people who need the ultimate opsec, drug money, etc.

>>54347211
>I'm quite excited for seraphis but these are legitimate issues.
You're not wrong and these need to be addressed.

whens the next ring size update? hope the devs arent going to wait another year to bump it to 20+

>>54351353
seraphis

>>54351385
isnt that the one with the entire new cryptography or just a ring bump like last time?

>>54351402
>isnt that the one with the entire new cryptography
Yes. I think they are making the ring size 128

>>54351353
>whens the next ring size update? hope the devs arent going to wait another year to bump it to 20+

Next major update should be Seraphis, which will boost the ringsize to 128/256.

The one after that will probably be when we say bye bye to ring signatures and hello to full membership proofs e.g. zk-SNARKs.

>>54351408
nice, hope they can get that out this year and don't get sidetracked by the whole "monero 2.0" meme

Does the ledger nano log any sort of information from my ledger and then sell it/pass it to 3 letter agencies? When I connect my ledger nano and perform a transaction, what exactly does ledger know about my crypto transaction?

It might sound schizo but with these tech companies it's always worth asking

>>54351455
>420

>>54347868
I can understand your concern with the community funding failed proposals, BUT at the same time these are all "solutions" to problems we don't have.
Why would anyone ever want to trade clean and fungible XMR for probably tainted BTC? Why make a second layer when Monero is scalable on L1 in the fist place?
All I can think of these projects and supporters is that they are either the number go up crowd within Monero trying to hype up the price with "hecking cool ideas", or they don’t understand the Monero propose at all. These “issues” are similar to Mordinals, except Mordinals is actually harming the network right now.

>>54352071
the issue is that Monero needs a way to go from FIAT <-> XMR until the time that we could abandon the current system. Decentralized swaps helps ensure that IF there is any legal crypto we can swap XMR <-> ArbitraryCoin <-> FIAT

>>54347868
Kovri is actually the only project that comes to mind that was canceled that had great potential to improve the privacy of nodes and users.

>>54351218
Thank you for the clarification. I'll just be sure to keep distinct subaddresses for different receiving purposes then.
Though in the end, what's the point of using THE privacy crypto if you aren't going to at least make a respectable attempt at airtight opsec?

Why doesn't hiroshimoot add XMR to the list of cryptos accepted for purchase of 4chan Pass? Given the anonymous nature of both, I would have thought it would be a no-brainer

>>54352678

>>54352903
the transaction can't come from a private wallet?

>>54352922
they use coinbase commerce. coinbase doesn't xmr.

>>54341853
>block ip from russia
>has i2p and tor gateway

Have you heard of the term "kissing ass"?

>>54341980
to add on this, Alex has stated he will move his business to another jurisdiction if needed to keep the service running

>>54353858
he also said that on monerotalk. one of the reasons localbitocoins died is that they stayed in sweden or whatever and thus had to follow all the regulations.

I just fucking hate the FED so much. I hope all bankers, federal agents, and everyone in charge of the US government are abducted by the aliens (our saviors).

I want to buy XMR but I can't justify it over how much it loses in value against BTC and ETH

I know you'll shout at me that it isn't about the value, but still

:(

>>54354207
>loses in value against BTC and Eth

I am not sure what this means, but you are going to be so sorry when XMR rips to 1k each

>>54354207
risk vs reward. how much can bitcoin realistically go? 150K? thats barely a 6x from 24k.
how high could xmr go if CBDCs get forced onto the western world like they currently are in some african countries? 15k? that's a 107x.

in the end, none of this matters. imop, the most important thing is where you have the most fun and for me that is, without a doubt, Monero. dont pretend like btc or eth or XMR will make you rich, you're about 10 years late for that.

>>54352071
>Why would anyone ever want to trade clean and fungible XMR for probably tainted BTC?
Because, until we have a complete XMR-based economy where you can receive your salary in XMR and buy your groceries in XMR - until that happens, on and off ramps are going to remain important.
Why someone would want to swap possibly tainted BTC for XMR should be obvious, and that's the primary usecase for these things. Why would someone want to do the opposite? Well, if they know they can sell the BTC, then they can simply charge a markup for the service. You get a way to turn your money into XMR, and they get a profit for the service.
Saying nobody should trade XMR for literally any other currency is dumb. Yes, we all have a vision of the future where Monero is the one true digital cash. Not only are we very far away from that right now, but realistically, there's a good chance it will only ever remain a relatively niche currency. Ubiquitous in black market dealings, but niche in the clear, and we're not gonna see total cash replacement by Monero. If only because (((they))) won't let it happen.
And so going to and from Monero will remain useful.

>Why make a second layer when Monero is scalable on L1 in the fist place?
Monero's fine right now, but it's still not scalable to cash TX levels. No crypto currently is, even the PoS pieces of shit built from the ground up for scalability at the expense of everything else would probably still struggle with a genuine volume of having on the order of hundreds to thousands of transactions per second.
There's also the state bloat problem.

I'm not saying L2 is the solution, but I am saying that scaling is a real problem in the long-term. L2 is one possible solution worth exploring. It may not be perfect, but conversely there may not be a perfect solution.

>>54344509
What if you then transfer to another monero wallet?

>>54352678
trocador seems to have a payment mode, I haven't used it but seems perfectly convenient for paying in BTC using your XMR

>>54354207
you have low time preference like a rat, it's so hard to imagine anything past a year or 2 right

>>54354269
>I am not sure what this means
It means financially it is better to hold BTC or ETH instead of Monero.

Monero is my favourite crypto project, however if my current goal is retaining financial value or making profit, XMR is not worth it.

>I am not sure what this means, but you are going to be so sorry when XMR rips to 1k each
Yeah people said similar things when I held monero in the past, it always bled value to the other major coins

>>54354309
BTC going to 150k would be make it money for me, I was in crypto during 2017. Even so, I'd like to hold 5 - 10% of my portfolio in Monero, but my jew brain prevents me since I want to maximise profit

>>54354357

I've held crypto for years, XMR has always lost value against the other major coins long term. I'm not saying it will continue, but that's the trend - though I do see an increasing need for privacy, so perhaps it will outperform

>>54354384
>It means financially it is better to hold BTC or ETH instead of Monero.

only if you have based your analysis on the beginnings of an irrational market, that has only formed in the past 7 or 8 years

it would take a seriously low iq to not realize the myriad reasons why xmr will overtake the entire market

>>54354207
>>54354309
>>54354357
To be fair, having an asset that performs well short-term can be justified. Someone who holds bitcoin, gets a 4x-5x, swaps to monero and gets say a 50x will be better off than someone who sat on monero for three years then got a 100x. The first guy is walking away with 200x+.

The issue, of course, is that that requires timing the market: you gotta guess correctly when XMR will start outperforming the other normal assets.
And this is a solved problem, because "reliable but slow asset vs. high risk (of no reward) but high potential reward asset" is not something that was invented yesterday. The solution is quite simply to diversify.

>>54354405
yes and like a low iq subhuman you have failed to recognize changes in the market and world politics which will make monero the number 1 currency

it's ok I don't expect everyone to be rational or smart, I'm just happy that I'm able to understand basic economics

>>54354420
basically a luck based strategy, you could also say that similarly, if someone were to just act in total randomness they would get lucky for a short period of time, but then the luck would swing the other way

if anything you should be trying to maximize the best option, in hopes that you can accumulate as much of x as possible

>>54354427

You type like a retarded cultist. I do agree the need for privacy is increasing and therefore should reflect in the XMR price, but this has been the case for the past few years and it has simply been outperformed. And just because the premise of your position is true, it doesn't mean it will materialize in price - the world needs to agree with you and buy XMR, and people are irrational

I'm probably gonna buy some anyway

>>54354486
stop trying so hard, honestly don't buy any fuck off

>>54354444
"Just two more weeks bro" is also a luck based strategy. Nobody can predict the future. Yes, DNMs are using monero, which is the best real-world usecase for any crypto yet... and they're doing so right now, and the price is what it is right now, you can't expect the price to 10x "because DNMs are using it" since if that was a reason then it'd already be at 10x its current value.

So you're still banking on MORE adoption, MORE utility. Likely? Yes. Guaranteed, or guaranteed to affect the price? No.
You know what Bitcoin and Ethereum have? Globohomo adoption. And that has already driven the price up, and is likely to keep doing so. Is it useless to the average Joe? Absolutely. But there's still "utility" from a financial point of view in being able to use it in big traditional banks, as they are all looking more and more to adopt something to do with that weird new hip technology called crypro. And yes, finance is a fucking scam sector as a whole, but the reality is that finance is a sector with trillions, even if you or I think it's "useless". Similar logic applies to Bitcoin. Fuck, investing in XRP is not a bad idea if you believe that banks will indeed properly adopt it.

It's all a gamble. XMR is the one I'll personally find the most useful if it pays off, because privacy is something I, an average Joe, can actually benefit from. Doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be the best coin from an investment point of view.

>>54354527
just 2 more weeks and bitshit will moon bro

xmr isn't a gamble, it's the best and most useful cryptocurrency that will take all of the marketshare, no little faggoty comment you will make will change this

>look I got some crypto named monero
>btc transactions are totally transparent, wtf
I still haven't heard a normie say something like that
they talk about buying btc, eth, dog coins and stuff like that
you should understand what that means

>>54354585
go ahead and go into the pit of despair with them, it worked out well for the vaxcattle and all the other sheep

>>54354571
>just 2 more weeks and bitshit will moon bro
The conversation is literally about the past multiple years. Stop making up strawmen.

>>54354571
>it's the best and most useful cryptocurrency
Yes, absolutely
>that will take all of the marketshare,
Lmao no, going from the first statement to the second has a SHITTON of hidden assumptions.

What the fuck happened to the "no moonboys" sentiment? What happened to "don't buy XMR"? It's widely known that shit like dog coins perform like crazy for no reason at all. Why are you now trying to claim that XMR is a moon lambo coin and you should buy XMR for moon mission gains? Absolute fucking retard.

>>54354384
> if my current goal is retaining financial value or making profit

Just "invest" in dog memes,bro. They've proven capable of multi-million % returns.

No rational reason not to, right?

>>54354623
no I don't want you to buy xmr because you deserve the pain that you've asked for, more for me, I could give less than a shit about you stupid cattle

>>54354638
>you
This isn't me, I'm not discussing my investment strategy here because I already know what I'm buying. And obviously I never buy any monero, and if hypothetically I did, I tend to go boating every time afterwards and I'm really unlucky with my boating safety, tragic really.

Point is you're retarded if you are trying to argue that XMR is a genuine worthwhile moonboy investment. And calling me cattle doesn't defend your argument in any way.

>>54354634

Because risk. This is why I compared it against major cryptos like ETH and BTC which XMR has lost against for years. These coins are "safer" investments, and also return higher value, so if goal = profit there is no reason to invest in XMR over these coins

Though CBDCs and greater need of privacy is a good argument

>>54354674
the best crypto will win, because the jews despite all their kvetching go with the best currency and hoard it like their life depends on it, gold, silver, bitcoin seemed to be useful but it lost that and the fog has faded away revealing xmr as the best crypto

>>54354319
I fully agree with you, those alternatives are not bad in it themselves and can help people in between markets, but it doesn’t change the fact that using such methods diminishes the reason for using Monero, you better stick with stable and number go up coins at that point.
We are here for Monero (chan) only, we do truly believe that markets NEEDS privacy, and Monero does it best.
Scaling is tightly connect with market adoption and use, the more people use XMR the more devs can improve it’s scaling. It isn’t an issue for now and probably won’t be when adoption gets even better.

>>54354740
The jews have their fiat. It's literally THEIR fiat, they control its flows and its mechanisms and its value, they can maximise everything about it to suit themselves. And CBDCs are the natural evolution of that, of course.
The jews will retain their wealth assets and their normie money. Gold, silver, bitcoin - do you think the Rothschilds are rich because they have a fat stack of gold? You're delusional. They're rich because they own a fat stack of governments, all in their pocket. And immense assets, land, influence in giant corporations, huge influence in the military industrial complexes in the world, etc. etc. etc.

The jews would only have need to care about crypto if it managed to literally completely supplant cash for normies everywhere. Again, the day when your salary is paid in XMR, and not just yours but also Bob the window cleaner and Charlie the gas station clerk down the road and Steve your welder neighbor, when they all get XMR, and when you then go buy your groceries with XMR, when you walk into Walmart and pay with XMR, when you order from amazon and ebay and pay with XMR - that's when "the jews" will buy into XMR.

That's not happening, that's not happening with Monero any more than it's happening with Bitcoin or Ethereum or silver or gold, or anything else that isn't fiat and in the future probably CBDCs.

>>54354803
regardless of whether it is "their" fiat or not, it always decreases in value

jews also have vaults full of gold in government and mossad control

xmr is digital gold, it's the best most fluid and stable cryptocurrency on earth, and it will take 1 place in marketcap without any doubt, it's a simple value proposition

>>54354820
>regardless of whether it is "their" fiat or not, it always decreases in value
Again they don't hold literally units of normal fiat currency. Only poorfags do that.
They hold wealth, they hold assets. Land and real estate is a good measure of wealth. Influence in the corpos that run the world, and influence in the governments that bow to these corpos, is another good measure of wealth.

>xmr is digital gold, it's the best most fluid and stable cryptocurrency on earth, and it will take 1 place in marketcap without any doubt
I don't even disagree with that. But it'll take a long while to establish itself. A long while during which you could double and triple your money by betting on the irrational market, rather than waiting a decade with minimal returns.

>>54354871
cool dude, I guess you can just bet on bitcoin then and be happy, maybe other threads are more of your speed

>>54354695
>risk

BTC is at risk of being exposed as an overrated & overhyped one-hit-wonder due to demonstrable losses of market share in sectors it had historically dominated, not to mention the threat of capture that looms given how centralized the mining sector has become.

I mean, what do you think happens to the perceived value of BTC once mainstream media starts reporting more and more in-depth about the curious case of "muh hardest money ever created" getting its ass handed to it by a relatively unknown altcoin in the most relevant crypto-based markets in existance?

Or what happens when OFAC finally forces BTC miners into compliance and TX censorship becomes a thing? Even the most hardcore maxipads openly admit that BTC without true censorship resistance = effectively worthless.

Bitcoin these days is fueled by little more than hype + speculative mania, its usage as currency in real-world markets keeps declining, there is virtually no actual adoption (HODLing isn't adoption) its basically coasting on a good luck streak that WILL inevitably run out at some point once the penny drops and everybody realizes the emperor has no clothes.

But Monero is the riskier option. My sides.

>>54354895
>maybe other threads are more of your speed
No cause I wanna discuss privacy tech. But apparently this thread isn't good for that either because it's not even doing that, all it's got is fanatical moonboys preaching that their XMR will give them lambos any day.

The Real Threat to Privacy with Monero Core Developer, ArticMine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3u07GljEVI

Artic Mine Gives Monero Masterclass | PLUS Crypto Regulations - Gold - PoW vs PoS - Bitcoin & More!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEO-5mPutiM

Artic Mine - Monero Is One of The Market's Most Legally Compliant Coins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oolq-l1zKJA

>>54354938
just buy bitcoin then

>>54354988
I'm not fucking buying anything. Keep seething

>>54354992
you said it yourself, if you gamble on bitcoin and get lucky then you could transfer it to doge or something

seems legit bro

>>54354938 see >>54354988

>>54355011
>I wanna discuss interesting privacy tech
>bro go buy <this coin> or <that coin> then!
Amazing reading comprehension

>>54355024
you're only discussing how fucking retarded you are, buy bitcoin be happy, stop concerning yourself with privacy, and all this high tech mumbo jumbo, it's way past what you're capable of

>>54354695
>These coins are "safer" investments, and also return higher value
Bitcoin is significantly more volatile compared to XMR because bitcoin is literally in a bubble and does not deserve such a high evaluation. Simple as that. Monero is a safe option because it is quite stable.

It is not in the nature of man--nor of any living entity--to start out by giving
up, by spitting in one’s own face and damning existence; that requires a process
of corruption whose rapidity differs from man to man. Some give up at the first
touch of pressure; some sell out; some run down by imperceptible degrees and
lose their fire, never knowing when or how they lost it. Then all of these
vanish in the vast swamp of their elders who tell them persistently that
maturity consists of abandoning one’s mind; security, of abandoning one’s
values; practicality, of losing self-esteem. Yet a few hold on and move on,
knowing that that fire is not to be betrayed, learning how to give it shape,
purpose and reality. But whatever their future, at the dawn of their lives, men
seek a noble vision of man’s nature and of life’s potential.
There are very few guideposts to find. The Monerohead is one of them.
This is one of the cardinal reasons of The Monerohead’s lasting appeal: it is
a confirmation of the spirit of youth, proclaiming man’s glory, showing how much
is possible.
It does not matter that only a few in each generation will grasp and achieve the
full reality of man’s proper stature--and that the rest will betray it. It is
those few that move the world and give life its meaning--and it is those few
that I have always sought to address. The rest are no concern of mine; it is not
me or The Monerohead that they will betray: it is their own souls.

>>54350558
warmly waiting for the fumos~

She only has a 2 million dollar market cap.

Those gazongas deserve at least 20 million.

Is 12 Monero enough to make it?

>>54354325
Monero only hides transactions made using Monero but feds can trace your real money all the way to a Monero address but that's about it, they cant trace it from within the blockchain.

>>54358509
Sui stack is 18.7 for memetic reasons.
Make it stack is 100.

>>54351174
Shizo, I am not againts I2P, I am agains localmonero (which does not have I2P-mirror).

>>54354061 >>54353858 LOL, localmonero is registered in BVI. The message is 2 years old and it is still there. Shithole.

>>54353343 >>54347886
You are not that smart aren't you? Sure, I know about VPN, proxy, TOR (localmonero has tor-address also). But Russia is not in list anymore. You can open site via proxy+VPN+tor but Russia in list won't appear.

>>54346349
You don't understand the meaning of LOCALmonero? The service is for p2p in your shithole country. There is no connections between other countries or between you and site owner.
>The US government placing sanctions on itself would be the silliest thing it has ever done. I would love to see them try.
Alex will just give your ip and you will pay all the bills one day. GL

Honestly i don't want bitcoin to fail, its network effect is one of the strongest assets of crypto and for now xmr still doesn't have that, i don't know enough about mcalfes law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law

But i would like to know how many nodes does xmr have, how many wallets exist, i think there are like one million bitcoin wallets in existence, how many in xmr. Also at what point would xmr usage become unstoppable I feel if we don't have a strong network effect then the possibilty of getting crushed by cbdcs will be inevitable.

>>54358561
>Shizo, I am not againts I2P, I am agains localmonero (which does not have I2P-mirror).
holy fuck you are illiterate as hell.

>>54358509
Monero has a great chance in reaching current value USD of $10,000 or much larger in the short term. If you think $120k is enough, sure. A per-requisite of that happening would probably require the multi-polar world order to emerge to allow Monero the freedom to escape the West's financial prison.

It'll be a world of magic and wonder when the dollar explodes. There's a whole realm of possibilities when that happens, one of them being Monero goes to the moon. If Saudi Arabia switches to the Yuan and America doesn't start WW3 over it, then the dollar will die at that exact moment, killing off the power projection of the Feds domestically and internationally. Minimized police state = good for Monero.

>>54358578
As expected of Russians, really. The smart ones emigrated a long time ago.

Ok there are like 22000 mordinals right now, people are floading the blockchain literally bitcoin is fucked but is xmr going to have the same destiny as bitcoin

https://mordinals.org/item/22427
43104 bytes

Which is 42kB


https://mordinals.org/item/22425

Which is 34736 bytes

Sorry but it looks like glowies now know how to destroy crypto from the inside, what are we suppossed to do literally this is an attack on the network.

>>54358633
Nice plan, ban all services and goods so then Russians will revome government or at least "smart" Russians will emigrate to your country.

But more pressure = more trust to mr. Putin.
And smart Russians (and also smart people of every country) emigrate to Tailand, Bali or New Zealand - just to chill. The ones that are smart and have money - just stay in Russia, lol. Smart and old emigrate to Switzerland.
Only idiots and poor orcs emigrate to UK, USA, Germany. Good luck to live with our shit-people who can't get success in their own country,

What tangible benefits would I, an apathetic casual with little interest except to buy and transact with monero, gain from reading Zero to Monero?

>>54358562
>Also at what point would xmr usage become unstoppable I feel if we don't have a strong network effect then the possibilty of getting crushed by cbdcs will be inevitable.

lol how exactly are you supposed to use CBDCs within the shadow economy?

>>54358938
you probably won't be able to understand it, so none.

is there anything more comfy than holding xmr and physical silver?

>>54359070
Alright, but if you assumed I'd understand it, what tangible benefits besides knowing for the sake of knowing would there be for reading it? Have you read it? Do you think a layman only seeking to interact superficially with monero should read it?

>>54354988
Hell yeah, full bull on bitcoin
bags were filled during the dip, and transfered to the sylo wallet, I’m jus waiting and watching what's gonna happen next

Bump for bitchan.i2p, we have a Monero thread there for untraceable discussions:

> reachable via i2p, untraceable
> posts distributed thru bitmessage, uncensorable
> noJS-shit
> no ad-shit
> can upload 3 images/videos per post
> can upload webp/webm files thru i2p network (uplaoding any file via tor network is cancer)

Setup i2p. Setup Librewolf. And hop-on to the dark-seas!
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=F6ze6S1aDJs

>>54359744

Based reminder chad.

>>54354903
>BTC is at risk of being exposed as an overrated & overhyped one-hit-wonder due to demonstrable losses of market share
It's crazy how everyone ignores this. Bitcoin can't stop losing in the real world. Monero started jostling with it on DNMs in 2016 and has gradually taken over there, especially in the last few years. But 2017 was actually a pretty bad year for real world BTC adoption. Sure, heaps of new exchanges were popping up but full blocks and volatility made it impractical for real stores like Steam who dropped BTC that December and never looked back. Most recently in 2021 Tesla accepted BTC as payment for cars before dropping it a few months later. For bitcoin that is much worse than if Tesla had never accepted it. There can't be hopium about "maybe one day" since that day has come and gone. Tesla has consciously and publicly rejected BTC.

>>54358683
Fucking'ell, when's the data size limit coming into effect

>>54358938
>>54359143
You would gain an understanding of ECC, Schnorr-like signatures, various interesting ECC constructs like of course ring signatures, and a general understanding of how a good example of a privacy mechanism has been constructed end-to-end.

I think this is good knowledge to have, just purely out of interest. It will inform your understanding of the possibilities of cryptography, possibly broaden your mathematical understanding some. It would also let you understand WHY monero is private, rather than just trusting that it magically works out, and additionally would equip you to reason about and discuss the technical details of monero and possible future improvements should you ever care to.

Otherwise? No, it's not necessary in any way for making use of monero, nor is it useful if you don't ever intend to interact on any deeper level. A good comparison might be how the knowledge of TLS handshakes is completely unnecessary to browse HTTPS websites.

>LNBTC to XMR not working on trocador

Any idea of business paid in Monero?

>>54362671
any business

>>54333803
>https://civitai.com/models/23982/monerochan
why does every ai generated drawing look so odd

>>54363072
coz its ai, the longer you stare at it the weirder it becomes.
ai is just calculating the best answer to the prompt, but deeply it doesn't really know wtf its doing. that's why it falls so easily in the uncanny valley and the pics are full of imperfections.

>>54361106
>It's crazy how everyone ignores this. Bitcoin can't stop losing in the real world.

Its willful ignorance, these dipshits actually believe that Bitcoin can both continue losing real-world market relevance AND maintain an upward price trajectory.

I suspect many still think HODLing counts as adoption rather than pure speculation, so obviously the less BTC is used the more valuable it becomes hahahahahahahahaha

AHEM. I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE:

Tomorrow at 4:00PM UTC, the Monerochan plushies will become available on monerosupplies.com!
They come with a little certificate which is numbered from 1 to 100 in chronological order, 100 is the total amount of Monerochan fumos in existence.

https://nitter.net/monerobull/status/1640771691541307401

>>54364652
financial institutions will soon pull the plug on the experiment

>>54364716
>>financial institutions will soon pull the plug on the experiment

Yep, the party is over the moment CBDCs are rolled out and governments begin marginalizing crypto and forcing it underground.

And pretty much only Monero is designed to thrive under such conditions

This Is What Z-Tards Actually Believe

>>54365126
>zkplayboy
>sucking zooko dick
I refuse to believe these are real people.
This is one of many GPT-4 bots

>>54365220

Alas, it seems such folk do exist in the wild

https://twitter.com/zkplayboyx

>>54365126
>may or may not be compromised
the absolute midwittery on display here is remarkable

>>54365126

And they will ultimately have the last laugh.

>>54365220

We are everywhere, better get used to it.

>>54365408
strange you can't keep your own general alive...
hmmm...

>>54365287

Cope and seethe while your overrated Interpolcoin fades into insignificance.

>>54365408

We're more pragmatic than you realize

>>54365448

Meant for this chud.

>>54365387
>>54365408
>>54365484
>>54365501
Shoo, jew.

>>54365545

Y U MAD THO?

>>54365570
that meme would work if zcash was actually private...

>>54365668
Not to mention the "totally not real -> even if its real it isn't a big deal ->Just don't be a criminal" infinite supply (((glitch)))

>>54365699
QRD?

>>54365732
Lurk more. Zcash glows, for 2 main reasons.

I have withdrawn all my moneros from the exchanges. A week ago. They will not be coming back.

>>54365668

DYOR. Zcash is orders of magnitude more private than Monero.

>>54365845

Lets hear it then. The glowie FUD is as worn out as the tranny shit.

>>54365387
>>54365408
>>54365455
>>54365484
>>54365570
>>54366134
>>54366170

I am truly in awe of how godawful your memes are lololololol

>54366170
>literally invites the glowies in the front door.
Fucking kek. Get your own general tranny

>>54366677

Waste of dubs.

>54366773
Again, make your own general, all two of you turdworlders and suck zooko and the feds dick all you please there. The rest of us will continue discussing a privacy coin that dosen pay out a board of directors and ceo.

54366773
Waste of air.

>>54366810
>>54366912

Reminder that Monero chuds will trash Zcash while stealing its tech at the same time.

>>54361173
Thank you very much, that answered everything I wanted to know. I'll read it over the weekend when I have to sit and relax.

>Rp884Th9
he doesn't know how to quote
gb2reddit

>>54366976
we never even talk about zcash until you show up

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>54366976
And yet here you are, shitting up the XMR general because you cant sustain your own kek

>>54364657
Based
>>54367041
I know how to quote, newfag. Its called not giving out (you)'s to faggots

>>54366976
>will trash Zcash while stealing its tech at the same time.
Yes, ZCash is an experimental privacy system and you are the guinea pig. Glad we've got that cleared up.

Even if I was convinced that ZCash had better privacy technology (I never will be because of t-addresses, lack of darknet adoption and the shit Zooko says, picrel) I would still not support it because it has terrible anti features such as:
- Premine
- Dev tax
- Not ASIC resistant
- Moving to proof of stake (dev tax on top of dev tax, total bullshit)
- Small block nonsense (just like bitcoin)
- Corporate control over the project
- Covered up inflation bugs

All making ZCash unacceptable as a maximal achievement of peer to peer electronic cash. It doesn't matter what they do at this point because the project is dead from the start simply from how they created it.

Though the tl;dr is fuck off nobody here is going to be convinced.

>>54367187

Zcash should be dead then yet here it is alive and kicking. Really makes you think.

>>54367362
Plenty of stupid baggies and third worlders to trick, look at the bbby cucks

>>54364657
Great work man, best of luck, do you ship to Brazil?

>>54367666
yup. every country in the world that supports DHL packages.