/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>54236436
Salt Lake City if it continues to dry up

Chicago

>>54236436
New York City, L.A., San Fran. Chicago is 50/50. Detroit already collapsed.

Democrat shitholes like Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, LA.

I’m thinking Seattle for a variety of factors. It went from being the fastest growing Seattle in the US to experiencing net population loss in less than 5 years. It’s primary industry (tech) is slated for collapse. Many businesses like amazon, Nike, and Boeing are moving elsewhere with no other companies willing to replace them. Additionally, since 2020 each year has set new records for crime. I’ve lived here for over 20 years and I’m moving to Texas this year

>>54236436
Philadelphia is going to be posh and the new spot the financial elite will live

>>54236469
This is also arguably every Western city that depends on the Colorado River for water.

All of them

>>54236436
All of them, none of these cities in the US have any real economy or literally any reason to exist anymore. No, eating at Instagram burger bars and renting out AirBnbs is not a real economy or industry.

>>54236436
Wont Las Vegas literally run out of water?

>>54236436
None of them sadly. Propped up by the fed.

Upstate NY cities will go from shitting the bed to laying face down in the sewers. Detroit 2.0 incoming.

Everything about LA is basically one giant top signal. Old show biz is a complete joke these days, ironically Californian big tech social media/YouTube shit killed LA’s reason for existence the same way killing the auto industry did in Detroit.

That said San Francisco will survive because of big tech and NYC will survive because unlike LA it is an actual metropolis and it’s where the money changers operate their black magic.

>>54236689
yeah i guess everyone forgot how they snuck municipal debt relief into the covid bills. Thats never going away.

>>54236576
yeah, but salt late is very much on the verge of drying up, 70% of it already has, and if it does, then the area will become hazardous to live in.

>>54236436
Every city round the Gulf of Mexico

I feel like Pheonix is absolutely fucked from just about every front.

The ones in the southwest with with water troubles
>>54236554
Downtown Philly is about to explode in prices with New yorkers moving there

>>54237627
New Jersey too, we would prolly see Vermont pricing this decade

>>54237646
Yeah buy up your cozy shore house while you can

>>54236488
Seconding this. Lived here all my life but it's time to gtfo to Idaho.

>>54236479
If the 'secede and form New California #51' plan fails, lots of Cali cities will go down.

>>54236484
Portland is too white and never had a bubble economy

>>54236436
The entire southwest is TURBO fucked

I know a lot of people who moved from LA to Phoenix and they say it's all just the same problems, this area of the country is literally NGMI.

I know a lot of people are moving out east, the collapse of certain cities might be prolonged by the stimulation of west coast people escaping the hellfire.

>>54237859
>prolonged by the stimulation of west coast people

So by prolonging, you mean faster hastening the collapse?

>>54237859
I moved from LA to Tucson; best thing I ever did. Los Angeles Babylon is gonna go down quick.

Minneapolis

>>54237859
Also, here in Tucson we have approximately 100 times the water of Los Angeles in raw dekaliters. Even in per capita we probably exceed LA.

>>54237859
At this pt, Thailand is preferable to anything mainland. That or the Philippines.

>>54236778
Ventura County here, our market is much smaller but there's constant buying pressure from LA people that want to flee the city but only just barely

>>54236436
If there's carrington event, then every single one.

>>54238192
Ventura was always great to visit when I lived in Santa Clarita. I had a few rich friends who were able to buy out there real close to the beach and I heard they took care of most of the homeless problem. Also one of the only CA counties you can get a CCW if I remember right. The actual west coast beach towns and cities might make it.

Every single shitheap that is in the sunbelt

>>54236436
The ones that are going to get fucked by climate change. Texas, Florida, and all of the South West

>>54238260
As if your shitheap is any better. If you're in a city anywhere in the US, your real estate is complete and utter garbage, period.

>>54236484
Poltards such as yourself need to go back.

>>54236436

>>54238299
Kek

>>54238238
Orange is the best for ccw's, it's a bit difficult though not impossible in Ventura

>>54236469
>>54237263
Why is it an if? Realistically, how are you going to stop a 1000 square mile lake in the middle of nowhere from drying up?

>>54236469
>>54236646
What's up with the bad water management in the US ? I sometimes hear about it in the news and I always wonder why Americans don't take this problem more seriously.

>>54238281
No one likes you either, fuck off.

>>54236436
look at the percentage of black and brown immigrants.

>>54236436
>looks at Amerimutt demographics
Ahahahahahaha all of them will turn into Brazil while Europe turns into Pakistan
Future looks great

>>54236436
Portland proper is in an active collapse stage as we speak. The economic drain leaving town has accelerated massively since 2020 much like San Francisco was over the last decade.

>>54238499
>Endless supply of Mexicans pouring across the border
>every boomer needs to have their own lawn and golf course in the middle of the desert
>California can't afford desalination plants because the money all goes to reparations for minorities

>>54238499
>ufo-shaped phenomenon

>>54236436
a couple will be nuked soon so it maybe all?

>>54236778
NYC gives me mixed signals. On one hand businesses aren't moving back in and on the other there are a still lines out the door for open houses on apartments.

>>54238776
NYC, Paris, London, Amsterdam, Honk Kong, Dubai, etc. are "post wagie" cities in that no matter how bad the economy gets there will be demand for housing because there are so many wealthy people and ponzi index funds that simply will fill in the gaps.

>>54236436
All of them.

>>54238776
Manhattan is already in hell and Boston is following suit.

>>54236778
Loa angeleno here. We are already trash but will survive because it's where conservatives go to handle business as they drive in from outside LA. it's like the business meeting place.

NYC is the financial capital of the world so no
LA is the entertainment capital of the world so no
Chicago is the most diversified economy in the US so no

The ones that look like they'll be failing are Bakersfield, Fresno, Baltimore, and Memphis

half the cities along the mississippi and missouri river, and all those manufacturing cities around pennsylvania, ohio, illinois, already sort of collapsed decades ago when all the industrial and manufacturing jobs and money disappeared.

It might be similar for a lot of these cities like san francisco and seattle, now that offices are moving away from the middle of these cities and people are "working from home" and in general new technology just makes it easier to automate things and have less workers. Even new york seems half dead already, maybe these cities in america are just going to lose steam for a few more years. When I was in san francisco last year it was like a ghost town, nobody in the street, nothing open after 5pm, it was just weird. But still around 800,000 people live crammed in there. I guess they just sit inside all the time. Similar in manhattan, it was kind of busy during prime hours but nothing like it was just a few years ago before 2020.
We are in in the middle of an era of sloth and negativity, maybe in another decade we will have some new boom like we had in the late 90s/early 2000s with all that new technology and jobs and media

>>54239477
>When I was in san francisco last year it was like a ghost town, nobody in the street, nothing open after 5pm

That's cause they have looters and homeless people

>>54238281
it's our board, shit colored creature. you go back to r*ddit

Hopefully the greater Phoenix metro area; and hopefully it bites many coastal liberals in the ass.

>>54239490
Yeah I know that most of the walgreens and CVS stores closed in the downtown area because they said there was too much shoplifting. But even when I was in manhattan it was similar, most stores just are not open after 8pm or so, except a few late night places, the streets are empty even in lower manhattan. just seems like everybody has decided to stop going outside, because the apartments are all full and there is still tons of car traffic but I never see anyone actually doing anything

>>54236472
>>54236479
Keep an eye on the Chicago mayoral election next month to see which direction the city heads. If they vote Vallas there might be hope, but if they vote Johnson then it's fucking over.

>>54236436
San Francisco

>>54236488
>It went from being the fastest growing Seattle in the US to experiencing net population loss in less than 5 years.
I don't know how many Seattle there is in the US, but even at negative growth it could still be the fastest growing Seattle.

>>54238281
They are getting quite annoying lately. They never really contribute much to the conversation.

>>54236578
based

>>54236436
All of them.

>>54236436
>>54236479
>>54236484
ALOT of major US cities have been in soft collapse for the last 20 years mostly the Northeast/West coast blue state shitholes: NYC, LA, SF, Chicago (they call it Chiraq for a reason), Philly, Seattle, Portland.

The sad fact of the matter is that wealth has been plundered out of America for the last 50 years or so at a staggering pace. The cities are just starting to catch up to the fact that no one can afford to live there and soon even work there. Why even be in the cities when all of them are in clear decay with crumbling infrastructure. It's a joke. Of course with the advent of the internet/covid accelerating work from home, employers still would rather have their wageslaves working for them in office.

How many of those skyscrapers in SF, LA, Chicago, are fully booked?

Why stay there when most of America lives in suburbia anyway?

>>54238260
The sunbelt is only doing marginally better due to the population boom from people fleeing the oppressive northeast/west blue hellholes. But even those cities are floundering too. There are only a few exceptions like DFW and Miami. But Miami might as well be little Dubai, a city propped up by rich elites.

>>54238512
The only people who can afford to live in cities are the ones on government assistance. White people (the real Americans) get shafted in that regard because theyre the ones paying the bills.

>>54236436
Minneapolis/St Paul are going the way of Johannesburg. I grew up there in the 90s. My kindergarten class had 2 asians and a blacvk kid in it. Everyone else was white. By the time I graduated highschool half the class was somalian. It's wild looking back on how quickly (((they))) can shift demographics.

>>54239380
that's me. man, the 71 sucks. so many potholes rn. i hate LA, so i won't move closer, but i also hate driving. work for my dad so it's hard to quit.

>>54236436
Miami bros... are we gonna make it?

>>54236488
you liberal tech fags and boomers already killed austin

>>54238277
>climate change

>>54236764
Doubt it. Can only speak for Buffalo and Rochester since I spend so much time there. Both have actually been actively improving in many ways of the past decade. The ruse belt "soft collapses" after manufacturing left decades ago actually created a good opportunity where the population is actually pretty right wing, and WNY in general is actually surprisingly made up of mostly right wingers aside from the inner city, which honestly who gives a fuck. Let them live in their cages. Most the surrounding areas and suburbs are more than majority conservative, and the rural areas of upstate NY (especially WNY) is actually one of the most libertarian regions by registration and vote count in the country. Lots of farms, farmers markets, wood workers, craftsmen, laborers (White quality ones, not Hispanics), and a very sustainable infastructure that doesn't need any assistance from the State except for the road system, but in a real SHTF situation most of those roads really aren't a priority, and we can take care of the needed ones and highways.

Upstate NY is ones of the best kept secrets in the country. White, right wing, salt of the earth, just keeping quiet flying under the radar to not attract too much attention from the seat of the empire in Albany. But alas, we are full. So, kindly fuck off.

>>54238492
>how are you going to stop a 1,000 sqmi lake in the middle of nowhere from drying up
I mean, it's been wet continuously for 11,000 years, seems reasonable to assume it would stay wet a while longer

>>54236488
come to Dallas frens
>USA's 4th largest city, will be 3rd by 2030
>best roads & highways in the country
>largest airport in the country
>rent is cheaper than most major US cities
>big companies are constantly building new offices and opening new jobs

>>54236436
The hour of Judgment for Republic of Mystery Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, is at hand!

>>54236436
None of them you pinko

>>54245268
I heard it's boring af there, though.

>>54245389
I think a lot of 22 year olds fresh out of college move to Dallas for work and then when their lives aren't as exciting as they were in college, they blame Dallas

almost 7 million people live in DFW, if you can't find something fun to do it's probably your fault for not trying

>>54245389
>I heard it's boring af there, though.
uptown is full of boring lame normie fratboys and stacys. North dallas is full of asians and techies. Also lots of old money boomers and swarthies. Overall it's like a cheaper Austin with less to do and more boring people. On the bright side though real estate isn't so fucked

>>54245268
>>54245452
>>54245514
Dallas? Sallad

>>54239565
Whyteboi Vallas will win. Even blacks are sick of the crime.

>>54245268
>>54245389
>>54245452
Dallas is souless and looks like Breezewood unironically. There's good parts of Texas, Dallas is far from it. Just sprawl with nothing to do and strip malls

>>54245514
>Dallas is like Austin with less to do
DFW population: almost 7 million
Austin population: less than 1 million

average DFW commute time: 27 minutes
average Austin commute time: 40 minutes

you seem to be conflating "reputation of downtown bar scene" with "things to do"

I assure you that DFW, with 7 times as many people and 33% faster roads, will give you way more options in terms of things to do

Austin's infrastructure can't handle the number of people moving there.

>>54236436
That's bad only for those who live there, right? They are still worth visiting, right?

>>54245686
Kek you have no idea what you're talking about. Austin traffic sucks and I wouldn't want to live there but there's so much more to do. Literally anyone actually living in Dallas would agree.
Pic rel is you

>>54245514
>[I don't like] lame normie fratboys and stacys. [I don't like] asians and techies.
lol have fun in Austin

>>54245747
>Literally anyone actually living in Dallas would agree.
No. Austin + Dallas are just different culturally.
Austin is like, no kids and you live to work.
Dallas is, you're raising a family and you don't really give that much of a shit about your job.
If you're not a father, yea, you wouldn't think there's 'much to do' in Dallas, the same way a father would feel like Austin isn't child friendly.
San Diego + Austin are pretty much the same cities in different states.

>>54236436
Atlanta, GA
Austin, TX
Nashville, TN

>>54245452
>>54245686
>>54245798
Yeah I'm sure a cartoon avatar fag on 4chan is having a blast with all these Asians and frat boys kek kys

>>54236472
Chicago has a diversified economy (tech, finance, healthcare, logistics center for the Midwest) and housing prices have been reasonable and stable for years (compared to other large cities). The downfall would be if the government tries to overtax businesses to make up the budget shortfalls and drive them out.

>>54245514
>uptown is full of boring lame normie fratboys and stacys.
does anyone even actually go to uptown anymore?
uptown has always been a joke.
lots of young guys with modestly high salaries (mostly just slightly above $100k) that don't know how to talk to women.
it used to be gentrified faggots containment center.
now days though there's legacy west, so the filth is spreading.
I would say definitely don't live in Frisco, super gentrified and overcrowded, with people living far outside their means.

>>54245747
>third person to claim that Austin has more "things to do"
>nobody can say what these things are, but they're confident that Austin has more of them
so far "Austin has better bars" is the only actual point you guys have made... and if that's all you consider in terms of "things to do" then I'm arguing with a bunch of 22-year-olds

>>54245983
Austin has some music festivals + drinking.
sitting on an inner tube in the river + drinking.
dog friendly amenities + drinking.
bike riding + drinking.
hiking + drinking.
drinking + drinking.

>>54245983
basically the only things people suggest to do when visiting is Austin is going to bars, BBQ, and maybe Barton Springs. its just a stock cosmopolitan city with a Texas backdrop. not to mention SXSW completely fucks the city for at least 10 days.

>>54245906
Kek property is reasonable because you are paying 3k a month in hoa fees and prop taxes for a 1 bedroom apartment.

>>54245983
>be in austin
>walk around downtown with friends drinking
>have a great time
>plenty of young healthy and smart people

>be in dallas
>want to go drinking with friends
>drive 35 mins
>get shot by crackhead
>get hit by illegal drunk driver

>>54236488
>and I’m moving to Texas this year
Fuck off, choose another state you liberal faggot

>>54236436
Rank them by the following formula:
(10x black fraction)+
(2x spic fraction)+
(7x arab+muslim fraction)+
(2x asian fraction)
you will get the exact order in which they will become unlivable and collapse.

>>54246107
>+ drinking
this is basically the business model for any developer in any city experiencing a new swarm of normies moving in. this is all they want, it's the same everywhere. its the lifeblood younger millennials and older gen z. its sad.
everything looks fake "fancy" and/or collegiate and cheap at the same time. extremely soulless. the suburbs are honestly more interesting by comparison.

Sf and LA are fucked

>>54246147
>>be in austin
>>walk around downtown with friends drinking
>>have a great time
>>plenty of young healthy and smart autists

FTFY

>>54245842
>San Diego
San Diego is a big retirement city. Work is a low priority there. Are you sure you don't mean LA or San Fran?

>>54246130
I pay less than $300 in hoa fees because I'm not a dumbass. Most of Chicago is not downtown highrises

>>54246166
don't forget the indian fraction
they don't become violent shitholes, but they're flooded with immigrants and become ugly and smelly

>>54246230
no, I mean 'kid-friendly' san diego.
they think because they have legoland + seaworld it's a very kid-centric city, which it is, by California standards, but you can't find a changing table anywhere or transportation kids can ride on.
instead people have dogs instead of kids, because, well, dogs are less work.
and yea, they're laid back, in comparison to san fran, but work is still the priority.
just cocaine isn't needed to do their jobs.

>>54246107
>Austin has music festivals
if you wanna go to a music festival in Austin it's a 2 1/2 hour drive away from Dallas... why would you live in Austin and spend 50% more time commuting to work *every day* just because once per year there's a music festival and you don't want to drive 2 1/2 hours from Dallas... that's retarded

>sitting on an inner tube in the river
you can go tubing on the Brazos river just outside of Fort Worth

>dog friendly amenities, bike riding, hiking, drinking
Dallas has these too, and by the way if you like hiking Dallas is closer to a national park than Austin (picrel in Arkansas is 4 1/2 hours away)

>>54246165
>its the lifeblood younger millennials and older gen z.
the bigger thing is, these people that complain there's "nothing to do", don't really mean that.
they really just mean they struggle to meet women.
and it's like, dude, you can talk to women outside of bars, without a beer in your hand.
if you're too much of a bitch to just talk to women, you're too much of a bitch to live in Dallas.

>>54245096
"Soft collapsed" give me a break. The roads are worse than Afghanistans. Libs will take over in a couple years then we'll see the real collapse

>>54236436
San Francisco, Portland, Austin

>>54238101
Yeah Minneapolis as well. The 2020 nigger riots will have the effect they had on Detroit.

The thing about the cost of living being so much lower in Texas is that it invites the worst ghetto dregs that flee from coastal inner cities getting gentrified/priced out from previous standards of living. You see this with Houston and Dallas the most. The kind of "clientele" coming is like what happened after Katrina, only this time its from every state and even the lower rings of foreign countries, and its a constant wave of migration. Sure, its cheap as shit to raise a family and buy a house down here, but what you offer is what you get when it comes to economic opportunism. Is the trade off worth the extra savings a couple decades from now?

>>54245983
Austin has a lot of outdoor rock climbing which is nice, but other than that I avoid it like the plague.
You will see trannies on the streets every single day, not even qt filipino lady boys. Scary trannies.

>>54245747
Housing is insanely expensive in Austin compared to the rest of the state, though I'll admit that West Lake, Hudson Bend and Volente have probably the best scenery and views in Texas.

>>54246675
>The thing about the cost of living being so much lower in the colonies is that it invites the most nefarious riff raff, who flee from London like rats after getting gentrified/priced out from previous standards of living. You see this with Jamestown and New Amsterdam the most. The kind of "clientele" coming is like what happened after the French and Indian War, only this time it's from every borough and even the lower rings of foreign countries, and its a constant wave of migration. Sure, its cheap as shit to raise a family and buy a house in the colonies, but what you offer is what you get when it comes to economic opportunism. Is the trade off worth the extra savings a couple decades from now?

>>54246346
>bro just drive an hour across town to do anything fun and live in a food-desert suburb surrounded by obese middle aged people
>bro you can go downtown and get randomly murdered

Austin is vastly more condensed and the surrounding nature is much nicer than DFW. It's much safer too. The tech industry really killed the city though feels like a shitty version of LA now. Unfortunately Dallas is as shitty as always

>>54238776
Rich idiots with more of daddy's money than brains move to New York City looking for the Sex and the City lifestyle and a some overpaid career, only to realize that it was the businesses in NYC that are now gone and never coming back that was the backbone of those sorts of lifestyles. The only person who wins in this scenario are Airbnb rental leeches and real estate agent con artists. The economy of New York City is dwindling, and if this banking contagion continues to be an issue beyond what even the Fed can control, it will collapse NYC for good, as Wall Street is really the last piece of chewed bubble gum holding whole the shit show together.

>>54239522
Thats because the US is boring and lazy as fuck. Check out a lot of major cities in Asia, they are jumping and wild all night long, nightlife, street food, festivals, etc. Americans think the bees knees of entertainment and having fun is staying inside all day by yourself watching Netflix and ordering garbage off of Amazon. Totally toxic culture and garbage people.

>>54247065
Very true. Majority of Americans ideal life is home by 6 from work, crack a beer, and sit your ass on the couch until you go to bed. Then maybe once per month go out to eat and complain about how it's expensive, traffic sucks, how they got within a mile of a poor person, etc.

>my heckin barcade with EXPOSED BRICK WALLS needs to be within a 10 minute walk of where I live
Sad that /biz/ is full of urbanite bug men

>>54247135
>Majority of Americans ideal life is home by 6 from work, crack a beer, and sit your ass on the couch until you go to bed

So true. Now they dont even want to come home from work anymore, they want to WFH all the time, never go outside or leave their home, and never go to the work place again just so they can maximize their consumption time of Netflix. Then they wonder why NYC and other major US cities are dead, empty and baron, with no sign of coming back from the dead. See this retard here.... >>54247134

>>54247134
>>my heckin barcade with EXPOSED BRICK WALLS needs to be within a 10 minute walk of where I live
people like this would rather have to look up where a grocery store or drug store is and then drive there, but for some reason need 10-20 shitty expensive restaurants and bars within walking distance

>>54247597
Yes, some people like to have fun and do active stuff in their free time instead of staying indoors all day watching Netflix. How horrible.

>>54247597
>10 to 20 expensive bars/restaurants within walking distance but you have to drive to the grocery or drug store
lol this describes life in San Francisco perfectly

SF, NYC, LA, Boston, Chicago. The blue bubbles are already teetering on the edge.

SF Bay Area. Entire region is propped up on inflated tech salaries.

WFH has made it so people don't need to live in expensive metro areas to have high paying jobs. Tech has had significant layoffs in the past year. AI is going to replace a bunch of jobs in the future.

In the short term, 6% interest rates are disproportionately hurting expensive metro areas.

>>54247597
Distance from nightlife exponentially reduces pussy-getting opportunity. They don't want to sit in your car on a 35 minute ride home, and they don't want to have to take two trains and a bus, or a $60 uber, just for some dick. Life was never easier than when I lived off a nightlife strip.

The west coast is in dire need of a collapse honestly, like a Detroit NEEDS to happen in order to better prepare this area of the country for expansion.

Really the issue with the entire west coast is that it was planned like shit. Every house is slammed together in a bunch of one room one floor sheds that are close together but still separate. Wide not tall. So yeah sure the population of LA is 7m but it consumes a land area closer in size to the state of New Jersey. So you literally have to drive across the state of New Jersey every single day just to get to work and back. The only way to fix any of this is if entire neighborhoods go belly up in the coming years, which I believe is what they are trying to do.

If they can collapse CA they can go in and redesign/rezone so that way in 30 years the state can start to grow in a more sustainable way. The west coast cannot exist in the form of expansion which is suburb from city center outward, there has to be a dense center and THEN the suburbs can start, this urban planning where the suburb starts as soon as the skyscrapers end is fucking stupid and places are paying the price.

>>54247134
We make more than you
We have way more swag
We pay your taxes, leeching flyover chud

>>54247973
Pajeets, soiboys, and other tech fags are flooding into "North" Bay and have been for a while now similar to whats happening with whats happening with this anon here >>54238192. Marin County used to be the expensive place, now Sonoma/Napa county are not too far behind it. Hoping to leave here in about a year.
>>54245096
New York seems like a pretty pozzed place to be if youre trying to make it especially in crypto. Thats NYC's fault that its a state law but its still shit.

>>54247872
>>54248075
so all these retarded normies require the ability to go to meet market stupid bars to meet stupid people to try to get pussy, every day in less than a 15 minute walk, and thats the only factor that matters. and they'll pay $3k/mo for a 700 sq ft apartment for it.
this is what everyone is going get with the whole "walkable cities" meme. just a bunch of uesless trash. these faggots should just stay in college forever.

>>54241194
they're either paid shills or just completely clueless to where they are at. Either way, they can take their hot takes to reddit.

>>54238499
i want to fuck it

>>54248285
Seethe

>>54248165
>have been for a while now

No shit. Immigration to the Bay Area has been a thing for decades. But the 2020s have slowed this considerably. Real estate values are down more in the SF Bay Area than anywhere in the country. Boomers aren't cashing into their equity and moving anymore, rather it's Millennials realizing how shitty the area actually is for the price that they're paying.

>>54247065
Spot on. It's a problem and disease of the dystopian Amerishart culture, not the cities themselves.

>>54248790
i dont fuck drunk whores

>>54247065
Not all of the cities. Check out Miami and Vegas. Shit is still poppin late into the night. Visited Miami peak COVID times in 2020 and no one there gave a fuck about the coof. Parties were going on until 5am.
Most places though, including the flyover place I'm from shut down all 24 hr stores and haven't gone back since the pandemic. First they blamed the coof and now it's shoplifting. Most people are just tired of going out and would rather Netflix and WFH I guess.

>>54245096
>b-b-but they’re heckin’ based consevarinos!!!
Look at this fool.

>>54236469
How is that even possible idiot they have Lake in their name they'll just use the lake duh

>>54236436
All of them. Define "collapse."
Remember the 2020 riots? Entire cities turned into third-world war zones. And that was just because the TV told them to be angry. Now imagine how much worse it will be when people have real reasons to riot over.

>>54236589
>vacation and leisure are not real industries
bait

>>54251113
this. once the next wave of inflation hits the 2020 riots will look tame in comparison.

>>54250028
Vegas was one of the last places to remove the mask mandate. Sisolak kept the mandate until Feb 2022. Ended up getting voted out as a result.

>>54250028
Vegas and Miami are overpriced rip-offs and tourist traps for dumb Americans to flex on Instagram on how they blew their entire monthly pay on a two vacation. Not a real experience.

For me its stacking XMR and watching it gigamoon as USD defaults then working with fellow monero maxi 21st century shadow bankers to buy out some long decayed small city to convert into 21st century fiefdom. All the big name cities are buying the top and obviously already belong to fiat whales. I dont fuck with that.

>>54236436
I don't buy the WFH meme.
I think economy is a ponzi past it's burst stage.
The only industry that America still has an edge in is IT and I don't know how long that is gonna continue if San Fran falls.

You need cities that foster communities. Then these communities can create competitive advantage and bring prosperity for everybody.
Infrastructure is slowly crumbling making everything just a little more difficult every single year while public spaces are being taken over by feral negroids.

>>54236436
anywhere blacks live in substantial quantity

>>54237551
What about the shithole I live in Mobile, AL

>>54252779
>50% nigger population
what do you think ?

>>54247065
>Check out a lot of major cities in Asia, they are jumping and wild all night long, nightlife, street food, festivals, etc.

What's the black & beans population there?

>>54237578
This

>>54236554
>>54237627
Are New Yorkers really moving to my shithole? I swear this place is getting noticeably more unsafe every year. Plenty of big name brands have been pulling their stores out of the city because a certain group kept looting them. The only place New Yorkers might be moving to are our suburbs which have been honorary suburbs of NY for well over a decade now. Philly is shit and murder central

Every US city suffers from
>Unsustainable infrastructure
And
>Niggers

The vast majority of this continent we occupy is a sweltering subtropical swamp blasted semiannually by hurricanes, or a desert wasteland, or a hideous planes tundra / cornfield.

The ONLY nice places in the US are parts of California and the Pacific Northwest (see problem 1) and parts of the east coast (see problem 2).

There's nothing here. 300-something million people and all there is circle the lot a dozen times trying to find parking in some big box store and hope nigs don't vandalize your car while you're out.

>>54252410
Archaeologists still don't know why the Americans fled their cities though there is some evidence that they would periodically pour back into them on Wednesdays for team-building drink night

Downtown Phoenix is pretty much like your average city. If the cartel truly has its claws on the entire state government, then the metropolitan area may or may not crumble. We have a lot of notable businesses moving in here on the outskirts, so the investments are serious.
Every West Coast city is an absolute dump though. Portland is disgusting because it's constant homelessness, trash, and graffiti all beneath the most retarded BLM and faggot idolatry banners possible. California cities are arguably the worst because it's still legal to steal up to $1,000 from whatever store you want. The homeless and niggers everywhere else keep to themselves, but Califags have an attitude about them.

>>54245268
Fuck off, we're full
Also the rent isn't what it used to be, expats can expect to pay $1,700 to live near civilization, or $1,400 to live in the hood

>>54245389
I've been hearing people from Austin say that for years, then I ask them what's better in Austin and it's always
>muh bars
or
>muh food
which Dallas has its own fair share of
If you can give me proper examples of something other cities have that Dallas doesn't, I'm willing to admit I'm wrong, but so far I don't think Dallas is much worse than the rest of America. The only argument I can see is that there are less landmarks to see, but from what I've seen tourists manage to have fun here anyway by going to the stockyards in Fort Worth to larp as cowboys or going to gun ranges since shooting is legal here.

>>54236554
>Philadelphia is going to be posh
Not if whatever retards are running it will keep allowing Kensington to exist

>>54237859
>I know a lot of people who moved from LA to Phoenix and they say it's all just the same problems, this area of the country is literally NGMI.
>>54238499
>What's up with the bad water management in the US ? I sometimes hear about it in the news and I always wonder why Americans don't take this problem more seriously.

It's all overblown fearmongering. Life finds a way. There is a solution to the water crisis out west and it's really simply. Just build nuclear powered desalination plants. The only potential downside is earthquakes in California, but this can be mitigated by pumping the water into the middle of the desert and then doing the desalination there, away from earthquake zones. The USA has a lot of nuclear plants but until recently it was pointless to build any much west of the mississippi because population density was so low, and their needs were easily taken care of with fossil fuels.

But nuke powered desalination could provide literally endless freshwater to California as well as Nevada and Arizona and Utah. It's solely a matter of will. You have to boil water anyway for nuclear power, why not use ocean saltwater and then re-distill the evaporated/boiled water and send it off to customers while to extract more free salty water from the ocean? rinse and repeat

maybe I'm naive and optimistic, but I just think that Arizona, Utah, and the southwest in general outside of california will keep growing. It's all desert, there's nothing there, which means it's perfect for people. East coast is built up as is much of the old midwest. The parts of the non-southwest states that don't have much people have lots of farmland. Southwest has no farmland because it's all desert. People should live there, rest of country should be used for resources like farming

>>54253472
Isn't Kensington a containment zone like skid row

>>54253260
The Pacific Northwest has unsustainable infrastructure? News to me. My career is with a private developer of cutting-edge recycled water infrastructure and the PNW is ahead of the curve and starting to export its expertise to the dry-ass West.

>>54250134
Again, upstate NY is on borrowed time anyway. Libs / WFH tech employees / downstate progressives looking for something cheaper are going to take over demographically at some point.

>>54253667
Also, the PNW is the youngest part of the country. We're not built on 200-year-old infrastructure like the East Coast. What are you talking about.

>>54252916
No shit, thats my point. So many retards in America who think cities suck, when the truth is its actually just THEIR cities that suck, while cities around most of the rest of the world are peak humanity and culture. Americans are such fucking retards.

>>54246147
>he thinks the chances of getting shot by a crackhead in Austin aren't just as high

>>54253667
>>54253735
Build a bullet train in your region and then we'll talk. Try and accomplish the bare minimum basics to be competitive in the 21st Century before moving on to the rest of this speculative bullshit. Nobody gives a fuck about "infrastructure" for recycling water except redditor schizoids.

>>54253914
>bullet train
Big oil and auto truly fucked over the US, huh? I can't believe the west coast of all places still doesn't have a single one.

>>54251749
Yep. Everyone hates that faggot except for die-hard mask fetishist cucks.

>>54253914
Can you take your missionary activities back to pol, Franciscan?

>>54254190
Shut up, troon. YWNBAW.

>>54245887
>Atlanta
This shit so much. That city is FUCKED beyond redemption

>>54254022
California has been building one for decades and it is going to be the most expensive and least useful infrastructure project ever undertaken. Corruption and grift at (literally) every turn. It may never serve a single passenger.

New Orleans is also turbo fucked

>>54255598
Trannies are superior to (You) in every way. Yawn

>>54236436
New York
>More and more businesses closing shop daily
>Jewlords too greedy to bother lowering rent prices, would rather keep retail front vacant for years.
>Many offices have been emptied either from startups going bust or everyone moving to wfh solutions

>>54256168
Kino. Always wanted to own property in New York

>>54236469
>>54237859
This. The South West and much of California is about to get stone cold stunner'd by drought, sandstorms, and uncontrollable wildfires. Which is what happens when you build cities in desert shit holes.

If you want to see which cities will fail, just look at where black people are going. Ironically, DC and it suburbs are improving. Blacks are being pushed out due to gentrification. Bethesda is at 5% black, and Fairfax county has twice as many Asians as black people now. One by one evictions, rising COL, debt defaults, high rates, and their own general retardation is forcing black people out of DC. I assumed the city was fucked but I guess economics picked up the slack and made up for politicians' progressivism. At the end of the day, economics is king I guess.

Maine is fucked. Portland, Maine is seeing a continued influx of literal Africans, a housing crisis (an actual crisis, as in there are physically no rental units available), an opioid epidemic worse than anywhere in NE, and a massive 2022-2023 surge in violent crime that sees monthly shootings or stabbings in downtown tourist areas. This in a city previously believed to be the safest in the US. People sleep in boxes on main streets. Americans talk about a 'mental health crisis', but it's a real and actually hilarious thing here. I was out with my sister the other night and a man barked, pulled his glasses off, centered up to us, and said 'hey there's a dog watch out' while pointing to an empty stoop before limping away. The psych units in nearby hospitals are so full patients/schizophrenics/dog-people literally sleep outside on the curb waiting for space. Add this place to your list I guess, OP.

>>54255846
Thats more of an issue with California and stupid Americans not knowing how trains works rather than the bullet train itself. Every competitive, developed country in the world has one... except the US. Its a national embarrassment at this point.

>>54256162
Weak bait. Back to plebbit you go.

>>54245906
kek, the unchecked crime is so bad companies are leaving in droves. You can't let Demoshits run stuff anymore

>>54247065
This is why I want to move to Japan and somehow keep my wfh 6 figure job. Fuck. I visit 5 weeks a year instead. So much better than my Orlando FL shit hole I live in

>>54253260
Colorado is nice

>>54252852
It's actually more like 70% and I'm not joking. I fucking hate it but my career for now is here

>>54245268
You forgot one thing Dallas fucking blows

Fort Worth is infinitely more enjoyable of a place to live than Dallas. Hard to over state this or even find the proper words to convey it.

>>54246166
How do you get Arab demographics aren’t they lumped in as white

>>54256402
Sitting on your face feels nice.

>>54236484

Dunno bout cali, but portland/seattle will do OK, as poorly as they may be governed they're still largely white and asian, and they'll always have lots of people wanting to live and work there because they're nice areas to live in. To the extent that there are tech companies that can go wherever there will be built-in pressure pushing them to aggregate in areas their talent pool wants to go.

The homeless thing will just fester forever. Everybody's sick of it, but it seems there will never be the will to force them off the street and into asylums or rehab where they mostly belong.

>>54253160
Yes look up Rittenhouse square and society hill

>>54257182
They will have to be put into camps. It's as simple as. They are camping now, in a dispersed manner. As long as the policies are all carrot, no stick, they will continue to get 5% buy-in from the homeless.

>>54238499
Checked. Ignore most of the (You)s. It has to do priamrily with building megametropolitan areas in deserts. In califnoria's case they've shut nuclear and gas facilities so desalination is no longer possible on top of refusing to use storm water.
>>54236488
I have a theory (hope) that Portland and Seattle will hit a breaking point and get their shit together. They are blue in seas of red so they're constrained in a sense. As other anons have noted, they have also favorable demographics.
>>54245714
Feel this in most of western Florida

>>54253667
Look at Seattle. The demographics and the population explosion within Sea-Tac. Do you think these memes and grifts like solar panels and needle exchange bins will save you when millions of Californians show up demanding water and common sense gun laws?

We have to Balkanize or have some sort of "lay in the bed you made" internal visa system.

>>54236484
Portland is looking pretty rough these days but I don't think it will truly collapse as long as the suburbs are doing well and people have reason to travel into the city to use its amenities. We don't really have a demographic or environmental problem, it's just a combination of poor governance and post-covid economic restructuring. The pendulum has definitely started to swing back towards heavier policing too, business owners and wealthy whites and asians in the city are fed up with the homeless and the huge increase in crime over the last few years and are starting to demand answers.

>>54257407
>Californians show up demanding water and common sense gun laws?
Happening already 10 round mag cap last year assault weapon ban this year

>>54246919
I lived in Austin while getting my MBA. Houses were cheap before Covid and got ridiculous very fast. It’s definitely the prettiest part of Texas and has some good talent. I will say the outdoor access is laughable compared to any real outdoors state, but I guess it’s decent for Texas. I don’t think Austin is going to collapse though, it’s just gonna be LA lite like the other anon said.

>>54256504
Also has bat shit aggressive drivers. Not a symptom of a healthy population.

>>54255705
What's wrong with Atlanta?? Aside from rush hour traffic on the interstate highways, it's pretty comfy here (Dunwoody).

>>54236778
Fucking San Diego is getting swamped from these fucks fleeing LA and the Bay Area

>>54258101
>What's wrong with [major city in the south]
this is an easy one anon