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>>53991721
>Posted from a mobile device.

Predators and prey, surely /biz/ of all boards finally understands this

>>53991721
I used to attend meetings of the Objectivist club at my college just to argue with them

her philosophy seems cool when you're an edgy youngster but with age and wisdom you realize she's nuts

what happens to orphans in an objectivist world? what happens to the elderly? people with chronic diseases? Ayn Rand would answer these questions with a 1,100 page novel entitled "Fuck 'em!"

And don't get me started on the absurdity of Ayn Rand saying that her "morality of reason" can be deduced from observation by anyone but also if anyone reaches different moral/philosophical conclusions than she did, they deduced incorrectly. God doesn't exist according to Ayn Rand, but an objective morality does and only Ayn Rand can tell you what it is!

yes and no. as a wealthy man i will always be willing to help out those who further the ethnic and cultural future of europeans. it's a moral imperative to ensure your wealth and power stays within humanity instead of leeching out into the forever undeserving.

>>53991721
>The world is just, says attractive woman
More news at 11

>>53991905
>her philosophy seems cool when you're an edgy youngster but with age and wisdom you realize she's nuts
You became old and tired and too much of a coward to live up to her ideas and called that wisdom to justify yourself.
>what happens to orphans in an objectivist world? what happens to the elderly? people with chronic diseases?
You can help them if you want, which you probably don't, as, outside of your own kin, they're likely just props to you
>her "morality of reason" can be deduced from observation by anyone
It can and it has, but people refuse to see what's in front of their face.
>if anyone reaches different moral/philosophical conclusions than she did, they deduced incorrectly.
That's right, 99% of the time.
>God doesn't exist according to Ayn Rand
According to how she defined it, yes.
>but an objective morality does
It always has and always will
>and only Ayn Rand can tell you what it is!
Wrong. Any man could as it's something discovered, just like the laws of physics, but she was the only one with the balls to call it for what it is.

>>53992592
>>what happens to orphans in an objectivist world? what happens to the elderly? people with chronic diseases?
>You can help them if you want, which you probably don't, as, outside of your own kin, they're likely just props to you
and this is precisely why Objectivism has faded into obscurity -- how you're talking is just not how humans think. People volunteer to help each-other and they do so joyfully. People want to live in a world where they'll be taken care of when they become old and senile, where they'll have options available if they get injured in a car crash, where a child born into the world without parents isn't left to starve because it's "outside of your own kin", etc.

Objectivism died as a viable philosophy when Barry Goldwater ran for president in 1964 on a campaign to repeal social security and welfare and lost all but 6 states. Today I doubt someone like Barry Goldwater could even make it past the primaries.

universal moral truths can't exist unless God exists. For Ayn Rand to say that God doesn't exist but universal moral truths do exist -- and also nobody could figure out those universal moral truths until a chain-smoking polyamorous novelist did in the 20th century -- well it feels more like Scientology than like a viable epistemology/philosophy.

>>53992814
>this is precisely why Objectivism has faded into obscurity
I don't think it's fading, but insofar as it it is fading it's because the objectivist institute is a bunch of nerds who lack the charisma that Rand had. They are too rigid and dry, because they failed to understand what she really meant.
>how you're talking is just not how humans think.
The beings you call humans (people) don't think, they never have. They just react as a collective hive mind against men that think with aggression and projection.
>People volunteer to help each-other and they do so joyfully.
Of course, there are always some that do, and the some that do these things joyfully are permitted to do them. I am all for charity.
>People want to live in a world where they'll be taken care of when they become old and senile
It's called raising kids and being a good parent. Asking for more is parasitism.
>where they'll have options available if they get injured in a car crash
Provide value to the people around you and they will take care of you.
>where a child born into the world without parents isn't left to starve because it's "outside of your own kin"
Does a poor, starving orphan's need somewhere in the world has more right than my own kin?
>universal moral truths can't exist unless God exists
Moral truths exist because the law of identity necessitates them.
>nobody could figure out those universal moral truths until a chain-smoking polyamorous novelist did in the 20th century
It's not like Rand exists in a vacuum. She builds on the tradition that starts out with Aristotle, and takes it to it's logical conclusion.

>>53991995
>Ayn Rand
>attractive
She was dealing with 1940s standards of beauty. Her competition was women that actually tried to look beautiful, not some gorilla sheboon Nike model. She is only marginally pretty by today’s standards, and would have been untouchable by 1940s standards.
That being said, I would let her soft domme me.

>>53991721
>Be born a nigger in Africa and starve to death
It was your choice! Just pull yourself up by the bootstraps!

Peak boomer mentality.

>>53992896
>insofar as it it is fading it's because the objectivist institute is a bunch of nerds who lack the charisma that Rand had
don't forget that Ayn Rand's hand-picked successor Leonard Peikoff ruined the credibility of the Ayn Rand Institute with hot takes such as "muslims shouldn't be allowed to live in New York City" or "re-electing Obama in 2012 was worse than the American Civil War"

>The beings you call humans (people) don't think, they never have. They just react as a collective hive mind against men that think with aggression and projection.
again this is Holden Caulfield type thinking that appeals to young people who think they're hot shit and everyone else is a normie/NPC/phony/parasite but when you're older you don't feel so special

>Does a poor, starving orphan's need somewhere in the world has more right than my own kin?
no but it's not an either-or and you know that. In any and every society a child is born, maybe the parents abandon it, maybe the parents are killed, but in any case a child with no parents comes to exist; that child is physically and intellectually incapable of working to pay for their food and shelter (much less their education) and hence some kind of intervention is required to provide that child with food and shelter and an education. I believe that all children have a positive right to food and shelter and an education and I believe that most humans feel the same way. Even animals can be observed adopting orphans and raising them at the adult animal's expense.

Perhaps adults don't have a positive right to universal basic income, free healthcare, etc., but children have a positive right to food and shelter and education, and to the extent that anyone has positive rights then Ayn Rand's worldview is wrong.

ayn rand was a psychopathic kike who was assblasted that (((bolsheviks))) rekt her father's business, so in turn she adopts the bolshevik mentality but turned on capitalism....

her philosophy is directly at odds with human nature itself and the individuals need for family and community

to oppose her is as equally good as opposing bolshevism, both are the enemies of the Indo-European spirit

>>53991905

It’s not just that the consequences of her ideology would be disastrous, it’s that the philosophical underpinnings are downright negligent.

It’s as if she thought she had discovered philosophy entirely on her own. Her attempts to critique Kant for instance are totally groundless, she clearly doesn’t understand the continental tradition, from plato to Schopenhauer, or respect the serious work that has gone into this project over the centuries.

The fact that she became a symbol of Reagan’s Americana is fitting. An ignorant jewess leading the blind, poetic

>>53993020
Africa is going through an economic boom compared to the west. If you can't take advantage of that, that's on you.

>>53993067
Yes, children are totally self sufficient.

>>53993067
because of globalization and foreign investment. neither man nor nation is an island.

Read the posts of altruists in any Rand thread. Would you really let them anywhere orphans, children or the diseased?

>>53991721
>opposes welfare state
>receives social security the last 6 years of her life
pick one, Rand
>b-but that was my money already, it was involuntary taxation
Yeah, not buying that, lady. You ruined your own legacy doing mental gymnastics

>>53993025
>"muslims shouldn't be allowed to live in New York City" or "re-electing Obama in 2012 was worse than the American Civil War
Both true.
>this is Holden Caulfield type thinking
I'm 100% certain you have no clue what the book was about
>when you're older you don't feel so special
That's exactly what I mean. You got old. You got buckbroken by life. Accepted your plac and had to shift your morality to conform with the "people" you found yourself with.
>but it's not an either-or and you know that
Of course I know, but the question is about what takes moral primacy. My kin or some kid who got dealt a bad hand.
>I believe that all children have a positive right to food and shelter and an education and I believe that most humans feel the same way
There are no positive rights. A starving kid does not grant anyone the right to confiscate my life or property to feed him. Also all lines wrt the starving kids are arbitrary because who you have no idea who you're talking about. My neighbor's kid? Kids in my city? My state? Some other state? The world? It's all just sentimentalist nonsense driven by you being old and unable to think properly anymore.
> but children have a positive right to food and shelter and education
They don't. But anyone can provide them with that through charitable actions as people always have and always will. Also lol about the education. The only education children get through the morality of your positive rights is being propagandized and mind broken in a state prison camp.
>to the extent that anyone has positive rights then Ayn Rand's worldview is wrong.
That extent is zero and her worldview is correct.

>>53993020
This. Imagine rolling a terrible toon and people telling you that you didn't roll hard enough.

>>53991721
boomer comment lmao, if I don't have money then I can't go to college, and so I can't be successful
I mean, I have weird expenses like nfts from ai universe, but money and wealthy people are a systemic problem

>>53991721
fuck these lolbergs both her and rothbard

>>53991721
might is right. kill jewish billionaires and take their wealth by force.

>>53991721
is it time for extreme violence?

>>53991721
Objectivism more like ObjectiSHITm

>>53991905
>>53993063
Human nature sucks, she understood that.
Good luck with the collapse of your socialist paradise as the United States as you know it inflates the debt away.

>>53991721
Ayn Rand became just another social security receiving welfare whore the moment it became convenient.
Never take a philosopher serious that hasn't lived by his word. Her work should be classified as fiction, since she was incapable or unwilling to live by it.

>>53991905
>she’s nuts
She’s a jew.

>>53991905
>>53992814
>>53993025
Based argumentative anon. I'm with you 100%

>>53993907
>that was my money already, it was involuntary taxation
This is exactly correct though. Taxation is theft under threat of violence. There's nothing wrong with recovering what was stolen from you nor is there anything wrong with exploiting the government (i.e the legal mafia) system if you have the ability to do it.

>>53991905

Ayn Rand was a miserable bitch.

I unironically saw this car THIS MORNING. What are the financial implications of such an Amerigolem supporting Ayn Rand?

>BLM
>ISRAEL
>AMERICAN FLAG
>WHO IS JOHN GALT?

Does it get more goyim than this? This person may as well be made of mud from Galilee and the blood of Palestinian children.

>>53993025
When exactly are positive rights?