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>>53811179
Anyone that ever thought internet money was untraceable is a fucking retard RSA or not.
The entire infrastructure is run by clowns. You are getting away with nothing.

Yes they'll let you buy kidding porn and drugs so you are in their back pocket.

>>53811179
They just had to waterboard fluffypony to push the compromised code to github.

Well none of you fuckers replied to my Dual_EC_DRBG bait thread yesterday so fuck you.

The NSA has enough computing power to do shit like create a natural language processing model that takes RSA inputs and outputs the elliptic curve as a language

>>53811309
you don't even know what that means

monero shilling always glowed

>>53812468
I’m not sure I know what you mean.

I think the theoretical idea behind it is that you fundamentally can’t hide the patterns a language creates, so you can attack encryption as a language not a code, but this also doesn’t exist so who knows

>>53812591
the replier is right you are stapling buzzwords together lmfao

RSA at its core boils down to factoring/unfactoring very very very very very very very very large special prime numbers.

You talking about attacking it as language instead of code is gobbledy gook. "dictionary" of your input output "language" would be unfathomably large, you wouldnt be able to be sure you found a definite pattern after computing for millions of years.

Ok glowie Ill be sure to use btc and or eth for my tax evasion from now on

>>53812750
>look I use brave browser and slurs!! I'm one of you guys!!! Monero is totally safe and effective

>>53812591
NSA would get pass rsa by exploiting faulty or poorly secured implementations. of RSA.

Don't need to brute force an RSA key if the pair was generated incorrectly, or using a tool they have a backdoor in.

>>53812806
>never implied i was one of you
>never used slurs
>never said monero was unbroken or backdoored

> you ARE retarded

Lot of monero FUD threads latelly. CZ needs more coins?

>>53812750
I’m not trying to string buzzwords together I’m trying to convey what someone said was possible

I don’t know how it works but supposedly they just generate RSA encrypted data pairs all day and feed it into the system to teach it patterns, but it uses the actual physical graph of the ellipsis to convert

>>53812853
This was mentioned, that the easiest method of attack is just getting the data before it is encrypted, which is where biological computing development comes into play because having a brain that can develop encryption on the spot is much safer

>>53811179
>We are at the point where schizo retards are literally posting /pol/ threads as proof
Fuck just bought more.

>>53813139
>Lot of monero FUD threads latelly. CZ needs more coins?

Maxipads be sweatin kek

Anyway, OP, you absolute moron: Monero doesn't roll its own cryptography, meaning if Monero is cracked so is pretty much everything else that uses the same crypto and Western civilization is about to implode.

>>53811179
If RSA is fully comprimised, monero being trackable would the LEAST of our, the worlds, problems, all your internet traffic would be comprimised due to certificate verification (where RSA is applied in TLS)

>>53813150
Maybe you misunderstood your friend.
How would you know your patterns are patterns? did you see how big that number was? If your 100 core 10ghz processor was working could do the whole "input output training" step in one cpu cycle in a year

3.1536 x 10^7(year of alien cpu compute time) /2^1024(RSA search space)
calc i used only went up to 10x100
and the result was still

1.76x10^-93 which is basically 0 percent of the search space.

that idea is dead in the water.

Elliptic curves and ECC also have nothing to do with RSA.

What your friend might be saying is that they are building a faulty RSA keygen that will pass some set of key generation tests. but still allow them to compute the rsa key because they are training an AI to somehow generate ECC key(s) from the faulty rsa keys that would somehow allow them to compute the other faulty RSA key.
which is either tin foil cartoonery or top secret information

>>53813610
I mis typed alien comouter IOs after a year are 10^19 not 10^7th
bringing the total space searched
on a calc that only goes up to 10^100
up to 1.76 × 10^-81 instead of -93
up from 0% to 0%

>>53813575
same logic for quantum computing
/thread

>>53811179
Glowies haven’t compromised shit. This thread is glowy tier. Guys I think le Glowies have super le secret spy gear. No, this thread is a LARP. Federal agencies are all comprised of low IQ retards. The RSA algorithm is the foundation for so many protocols and applications that if this is true then Shitcoins are the least of your worries

>>53813479
If you think RSA is cracked, stop logging into online banking because that has been compromised too as SSL is based on the RSA algorithm

>>53811179
The mathematical basis of RSA is almost certainly sound.
If the glowies want to personally target you, there's definitely backdoors in your phones and computers they can exploit.
What they seethe about is the possibility of everyone using XMR - or rather too many people to track down for tax evasion.

>>53813610
That’s actually entirely possible

That’s just based off brute forcing patterns though, numbers can contain cadence and syntax too, if you understand how they’re being generated, which vastly lowers the difficulty.

My understanding of RSA is that the entire thing is based off keypair generation, if you can determine how the private keypair was generated you can crack it, which means being able to take the message and private key of data you know and define patterns in the generation you can target anything that uses the same curve

>>53813859
>What they seethe about is the possibility of everyone using XMR - or rather too many people to track down for tax evasion.
otherwise known as the inevitable future (might not be xmr though)

dangerously bullish FUD my XMR bros
Monero is what people think Bitcoin stands for and makes keynesian jews seethe

>>53813959
>numbers can contain cadence and syntax too, if you understand how they’re being generated

You are correct but the term for a "discovered pattern or syntax" within the encrypted output of a crypto algo is called a "break"

Crypto algos are designed and evaluated to not have breaks

And if you are searching for "breaks" with AI in that manner. theres no way to know if your "break" applies to the entire space in general(useful) or the few billion keys or few keys you tested (0%, useless), without understanding why the break is happening in the first place.

AI can approximate any continous function. but thats the key word approximate. it will spit out a wrong answer that may be relatively very close to the correct answer but off (even if you knew by how much) by lets assume .1%, but in a search space of 1.7 x 10^308 youd still need to brute force a space of 2 times 1.7x10^305 to find the other key.

>>53813959
Also designing algos that have the opposite of this property
> if you can determine how the private keypair was generated you can crack it

Is an axiom for developing cryptographic algorithms.

Even knowing exactly how RSA works and how keys are supposed to be generated it should still be non trivial to calculate one key in a pair from the other.

the biggest red flag for monero is how desperate bagholders (glowniggers?) are to dispel "fud" and pretend issues with monero doesn't exist.

if they actually cared about privacy, surely they'd be open to any and all concerns about monero's failures and issues, along with potential intentional or unintentional backdoors?
but no, they want everyone to look the other way and pretend everything is fine. the most glow in the dark behavior anyone could possibly have.

false flag? a very good one if so, that or exceptionally low testosterone bagholders wishing they bought something else trying to pump their bags are the only possible non-malicious explanations for the tremendously suspicious behavior around monero.

>>53814492
>1pbtid
Meanwhile in realityland Monerofags are do the exact opposite of what you wrote. They constantly play devils advocate with themselves and talk about ways to destroy and hack Monero etc, in order to perfect it.

>>53811179
The entire internet has been compromised since day one, including any and all encryption protocols
>but why anon
You’re too young to remember this but the internet was created by the US government. Additionally encryption algorithms are considered to be weapons by the Us government and are under a special form of sanction that boils down to “we must know how to crack said algorithm”

This is why I laugh at privacy schizos on /g/. The entire protocol that all communications runs on (tcp/ip) was glowie tech. You’re literally a fucking moron if you think -anything- is safe on the internet from US including monero

>>53814419
>>53814470
Very interesting stuff, thank you for taking the time to explain this to me anon. Do you have any good keywords I can look around research papers for around discovering breaks in a cryptographic algorithm? I find the idea of gaming cryptography outside the numbers themselves tantalizing

>>53814492

Behold the seething. If Monero wasn't all its cracked up to be it would be seeing ever-growing adoption in all the relevant OPSEC-critical markets.

Namely, you can't force tech-savvy criminals to adopt your tech - they have to be convinced based purely on the fundamentals.

So cope, seethe and dilate even harder.

>>53811232
>You can do whatever you want but but ackchually they're in total control!!
The war was memetic from the start

>>53814663
semi related there's a great talk called hacking bitcoin wallets with math by ryan castellucci

>>53814663

Just look up some intro to crypto syllabus for some prominent school and buy the required book on kindle if you really wanna deep dive leaning on cryptostackexchanges for questions.
If you can code udemy might have something where you can learn about and crack weakened algorithms

other wise youtubes got alot of great info and visualizations.

>>53811179
Wasnt this brought up by some guy on here the other day called big joe, im sure somones has the spooky thread where he linked a paper that has an algorthem that crack it with QAOA

>>53814663
Also learn about binary and bitwise operators and arithemetic on binary numbers.

And learn about ascii codes and hexadecimal numbers and how file formats work. to understand what you are encrypting/decrypting 9 times of 10.

Lastly be prepared to google and get the high level idea of any math terms you don't know about. some cryptos are designed around unsolvable math problems.
Modular arithmetic is a pretty big pillar of crypto also

Good Luck

>>53814663
for buzzwords to google look up the table of contents of aforementioned books usually they are public. and youtube everything from there.

>>53814036
Might not be because more scalable protocols are fast rising. Privacy tech is going crazy.

>>53814663
how are you such a fucking pathetic retard that you can confidently spout bullshit like this? you and op are completely fucking worthless retards and I hope your mother is raped by a pack of feral niggers while you are forced to suck out their seed from her
monero literally uses plonk +IPA (bulletproofs) one is information theoretically secure and the other is a discrete log based commitment how the fuck does RSA have anything to do with it you fucking moron maybe understand the literal basics before you open your mouth again

>>53814492
The biggest green flag for monero is how desperate you faggot shills (definitely glowniggers) are to generate fud and pretend issues with monero exist

>>53814730
I've memed harder than you for decades probably.
The in and out of monero is totally, 100% controlled.
If you use a ham radio to SSTV your input then MAYBE you are flying under the radar.
Otherwise they know your exact location because, guess what, the signal came directly through their tubes.

The in and out is the weakest part of any online encryption.

>>53817049
Only btc glows harder than monero retard.
You don't fit in just by saying glownigger.
We know they gave you permission to use the word after trump was elected.

monero tards are in deep denial. no better than shitcoin cults

>>53811179
Monero glows like the moon

I dont know shit about crypto, most of what I do know I learned here so thats probably not great but I work at a criminal defense firm, I am a legal assistant who spends 8 hours a day reviewing discovery docs. Maybe the NSA can trace Monero, but LE (including FBI) absolutely cannot. Nor can they budge normie level encryption. We have some major drug cases and the only way they get that stuff is when they find passwords/addresses written down. For the most part they get convictions by manipulating bail conditions. People stay in jail, waiting endlessly for trial, until they give up the info or cut a deal. Just search any big federal drug case on PACER. 90% of the time Monero is involved and they cannot figure out how to prove who owns it, where it is without a human witness. Name one case where they got a conviction by tracing Monero transactions and somehow cracking the password. They have never, ever, seized Monero without perp cooperation/stupidity.

I would bet my life savings that the "monero glows" posters are literally paid LE trolls. There is no cost effective way to prosecute cases involving Monero when the perp can hire a lawyer, they mostly get plead down.

>>53818295
How is it legal to leave them waiting trail that long? Can’t they sue for not getting a speedy trial?

>>53818357
The feds are unironically allowed to break the rules

>>53818357
Its legal because a judge say it is, LE and courts get their paychecks from the same place.

>>53814959
good talk

51%

>>53812591
It does exist and has already been done. Basically anything encrypted they can determine at least what languague it is. Ultimately no information is completely hidden its just about how much effort you need to use.

>>53812853
>using a tool they have a backdoor in.
web browsers are a mess
intel ime
amd psp
trusting trust
fucking windows lmao
anything closed source

>>53817558
it's an inevitability that monero won't keep up with privacy demands faster than privacy tools and layers end up on blockchain people want to use, like bitcoin and ethereum.

monero will end up like raiblocks, with a group of bagholders constantly talking about how great their dead alt is while everyone else has long since moved on to better things.

at least until then, it might be a good money laundering tool if it didn't have such a high glow-factor, but the feminized monero bagholders won't ever accept that their fork of a scam coin isn't the future.

>>53820598
source

>>53817554
bitcoin is designed to "glow", it's not like monero is pretending to be something it isn't. monero baggies desperately try to hide monero's faults while bitcoin was designed to be publicly auditable from day one.

if you want to pretend to be some infallable privacy utility you have a lot more to prove, and monero has yet to prove anything.

>>53820719
Layer 2 security will never be better due to increased attack surface. Cope, seethe dilate

>>53820739
the irony of course, being lightning is more decentralized and secure that monero.

>>53820598
Doubt

>>53812806
> t. Glowie

>>53811179
Thanks for the laugh kike

>>53817554
>glownigger tries his hand at bad jacketing

>>53812803
No, that's what 0xMonero is for.

>>53814492
The 0xMonero whitepaper outlines 30 flaws inherent in Monero.

>>53820728
Back in Bitcoin's early days, it was very much touted as a private currency due to its pseudonymous nature, which is why it was the go-to currency for everything darknet/illegal until Monero came along. Obviously, its design allows for tracking once you connect BTC wallet addresses to outside identities, but people bought into the idea that Bitcoin was private because people mistakenly thought connecting wallet addresses to real-life identities would be difficult, and it was obscure enough back then that it seemed like governments didn't even care to track it yet. People wouldn't have bought so many drugs on the original Silk Road if they knew back then how easy BTC was to track.
This RSA backdoor meme is a nothingburger, though. If it was actually true, it would mean that ALL encryption used throughout the entire internet is broken, not just Monero. Trying to spin this as some specifically anti-Monero FUD just shows that you don't know anything about how computers work. "Monero is broken because all encryption is backdoored" is the most useless FUD ever, because it attacks the general concept of using encryption to protect data, rather than anything specific to Monero itself.

>>53811179
Monero doesn't use RSA
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curve25519

>In 2005, Curve25519 was first released by Daniel J. Bernstein.[5]

>In 2013, interest began to increase considerably when it was discovered that the NSA had potentially implemented a backdoor into the P-256 curve based Dual_EC_DRBG algorithm.[11] While not directly related,[12] suspicious aspects of the NIST's P curve constants[13] led to concerns[14] that the NSA had chosen values that gave them an advantage in breaking the encryption

>>53820817
>the irony of course, being lightning is more decentralized and secure that monero.

Cool, now go convince the free market.

>>53814613
You really should read up on the history of how TCP/IP was developed and realize what a complete twat you are in the process.

>>53814663
Look up the Cryptopals exercises. If you are prepared to go through them, you will know more than 98% of people who swear blind that they know what encryption really is (they don't).

>>53820739
But if there adopt privacy into their ecosystem, it'll definitely get better overtime, because faggots won't have access to spy your transactions anymore

>>53811179

censored post fyi from the pol thread

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/417173617/#417180535

specifically this part ">>417173785
People still trust these applications, including Tor and I2P "

this was the censored post below

">>417173862
you dont have alternatives to TOR, so nothingburger as usual"

this is not true either however there is also the bitmessage, the tor, the i2p the ham radio invisible air networks

>>53820725
Here is the guys website. He said this on a podcast a few years ago before covid. All his projects and ideas are here. https://snerx.com/

>>53823622
Can't spy my txn history anymore as I basically use railway wallet.

>>53811179
You are a dumbass who knows NOTHING about Monero or math so just stop posting.

>>53820728
Monero is based and good with privacy so no baggies trying to hide shit. You can become a baggy if you love privacy. There are other privacy protocols if you've got issues with monero.

>>53821665
you mean the same free market that decided monero peaked in 2017 and never made a new bitcoin high, ever again?

>>53825667
>you mean the same free market that decided monero peaked in 2017 and never made a new bitcoin high, ever again?

lol that would be the clownworld market, not the real-world market.

Telling the difference is easy: only the clownworld market thinks dog memes are valuable.

>>53825886
that's true, but those dog memes also only make one bitcoin high, unless you get a nice pump and dump from elon himself.

>>53825935

As history shows, retarded clown markets don't have staying power. Demand from real-world markets selling actual goods & services is therefore the ONLY thing that matters in the long term.