/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>53674854
the government
LOL

>>53674854
Ohio
LOL

>>53674854
the train company

>>53674854
you wanna sue the government on their own justice-system?

>>53674854
https://themilitant.com/2023/02/11/ohio-derailment-disaster-shows-rail-workers-struggle-for-safety-is-crucial/

this is really fucked up

>>53676562
why does the union sound like the mafia when they are talking about this incident
>we warned it would happen but you didnt pay us enough money
>more accidents will happen unless you pay us money

>>53676576
unions don't have teeth these days, would be based tho

>>53674854
>Who can I Sue if I get cancer?
your life isn't important enough to matter. Cancer would be a mercy for you anon

>>53674854
>IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE LIVED IN PALESTINE, OHIO IN 2023 AND NOW SUFFER FROM ONE OF SEVERAL AILMENTS, YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO FINANCIAL COMPENSATION

>>53674854

sue Union Pacific

>>53676662
>digits off by 4
Fuck you I'm calling jg Wentworth. It's my money and I want it now

>>53676662
Kek the company weighed the cost and found it more cost effective to give everyone in Ohio cancer and kill the environment
Fucking lmao

>>53674922
Yeah is that a problem federal agent pepeston

>>53676576
you're confused. theyre not just asking for money, they're asking for a list of concrete demands which include measures to ensure safety. Do a little homework

Most people don’t realize this but the entire upper east coast is dangerously going to be affected. Geographic funneling of wind and water will poison a large amount of PA and NY up into Vermont. If you can get over into Canada or Florida or out West for a while, DO SO NOW.

Florida has been compromised do not come here. Go to Texas instead no water to poison. Tell my family I love the-

Airborne Toxic Event

>>53677258
Good. Fuck everyone from new england, what a shithole

>>53674854
are the two related? Were unions actually a good thing for once?

>>53674854
qrd?

>>53674854
How can I make sure what ever food product I buy in the next 10 years isn't from anywhere in a 500 mile radius? Has this much Vinyl Chloride ever burned before?

>>53677279
>go to texas
>power cuts off
>freeze to death

>>53677337
>How can I make sure what ever food product I buy in the next 10 years isn't from anywhere in a 500 mile radius?
"the blockchain"

>>53677283
I actually read that book recently. It's kinda shit. Pure navel-gazing middle-class neurosis. A couple funny passages, not bad prose. But postmodernism is such a bore.

>>53677119
>Kek the company weighed the cost and found it more cost effective to give everyone in Ohio cancer and kill the environment
haha yeah...

>>53677323
1) rail workers get paid shit and have horrible hours and worse benefits
2) they go on strike to renegotiate their contract with whoever
3) whoever pays them says 'uh no, save me government! turn these people into slaves!'
4) government passes legislation making it illegal for infrastructure workers (not just rail workers) to strike/organize
5) rail workers quit instead, say fuck this to the system. Only retarded faggots remain.
6) railways desperately hire replacements, but since only Retarded Faggots remain, the training they get is half assed at best, pencil whipped usually, strait up wrong at worst
7) queue up endless accidents and increasingly worse disasters since....who could have guessed this one?...that you need highly skilled people who know what they are doing to run your logistics
Bonus #8) if you are a white guy who stayed behind and kept working, you get blamed by rail companies for being 'racist' and this is why their retarded niggers are poorly trained

>>53677406
>Freeze to death
>Texas
>

Seriously though if you die in 40f winters your ancestors are cringing at you.

>>53677258
Lies. The east coast is just fine, stay there, invite your friends.

>>53677337
>Ten years of documentaries about hypothetical supervolcano eruption
>Monthly chemical contamination event that will persist for decades

>>53677258
>Poisoning PA and NY
Wtf I love chemical spills now!

>>53677501
Yeah it's one of his worst novels. It insists upon itself.

you can't meaningfully fine a company that does this
They are too big to fail because their failure will mean destitution for many
the government wont back the little guy because little guys are expendable
the game was rigged from the start

>>53676576
Dipshit, those sentences are said from someone working 70 hour weeks. Who has been doing so for the last 2-4 or more years.

>>53674854
Talk to a lawyer if the railroad tries to offer you a check. Accepting it will likely waive your right to sue. Rather, talk to a lawyer anyway.

>>53677903
they've been handing out $1000 NDAs apparently. only fools would be taking them.

>>53674854
>Who can I Sue if I get cancer?
LOL yeah good luck with your 10+ year classaction lawsuit for $35k

>>53676576
they strong armed the weak government into their submission

>>53677759
Nationalize them. This is intolerable.

>>53678042
natural monopolies should be nationalized but that hasn't been a thing since the neoliberal era.

>>53674854
Unionists are in league with Communists. All Dems are, do a flip pinko.

>>53678148
Can you explain to me why

>>53677119
If there werent jew owned judges and legislators in place to the point that its comically saturated with them, this bullshit libertarian argument would hold water.
But since its jew controlled companies and jew controlled government it now transcends all of these things and what matters now is when (not if) everyone figures this out and what happens to the physical safety of jews.

>>53677283
My nigga Noah Baumbach went too far trying to drum up publicity for his film. Didn't even get a single nomination at the Academy Awards this year. Dumped and already forgotten on Netflix.

>>53678042
>>53678134
>natural monopolies
>if we nationalize everything maybe they will stop being evil, monopolistic and focused on profit
>because we know that when a company (doing business with a corrupted government) is responsible for an environmental disaster, promoting as a public institution and sucking from the tits of the state is probably the best course of action

>>53677535
It's incredible how shitty the Biden administration has handled literally everything

>>53678667
>jew owned
>jew this
>jew that
>Jews wearing hats
Is the jew man holding a white man down lol
Jew Republican Democrat
This is just human nature
Money
Infinite greed
These companies really went
>you know it’s cheaper to fight cancer causing cases in 20 years than to clean up this poison spill mess properly
Lmao the human life has a dollar sign attached to it by these people and it isnt very much
>but it’s actually just dah jooooossss
Lmao it’s rich pricks like it’s always been

>>53677759
If I were president id dissolve their company so fast and anyone making excuses for these people will be put on a raft and pushed out to sea

>>53677585
Their ancestors from Guatemala and Mexico? The state is 60% Hispanic lmao

It's happening...

>>53679028
Idk I only see Ohioan milifags who are dumb American hicks and too trusting.

>>53674854
>just finished watching apocalypto
>come to 4chan to see more toxic spill posting
I just wanna live in the jungle with the jaguars bros why must society persist

>>53677535
>Bonus #8) if you are a white guy who stayed behind and kept working, you get blamed by rail companies for being 'racist' and this is why their retarded niggers are poorly trained
Why do you insist on pushing this persecution fetish so much?

>>53677535
Pretty good anon. I'm one of the ones that quit, after 13 years in the industry. To be fair, the pay was pretty good, but that's due to the fact that I spent 60-90 hours a week wherever at the companies behest. Screen cap this post.

Safety has gone far, far downhill. Working conditions have degraded to a point where not even a high school degree is required to apply. When I started in mid 2000s, there were 250 people applying for 18 positions. Now they can't even fill a hiring class. All the big railroads are banded together in a coalition and are essentially leveraging the nations freight capacity against the regulating government entities and the workers to squeeze yet another billion dollars of profits out of the system. Expect worsening safety and working conditions to be attributed towards the "obvious" unreliability of people, in order to push for computer controlled trains in the future.

The companies know it will be more unsafe than the current system, so it's best to stack the deck and manufacture an artificially unsafe working environment now, so that when the computers inevitably fuck up due to the inability to use critical thought and flexible reasoning during key events, the comparative safety records directly before computer controlled trains are horrific enough that it actually looks like an upgrade.

This move to computer controlled trains will likely increase profit margins by at least 25% for all the class 1 railroads. That's a bigger jump on average than the last 25 years combined. These people would kill their own mother for even a 10% increase in a multi-million dollar industry.

>>53679899
because it's real

>>53680919
*Billion

I is not a bot
Beep

>>53679899
>persecution fetish
You really can’t handle the idea that brown people can be racist, can you?

>>53677501
>naval gazing middle class neurosis
Isn’t that kind of the point? It’s not an autobiography.

>>53677258
I’m in western mass. How fucked am I?

>>53677535
Rail workers get paid bank and have railroad retirement that rivals military retirement. Shut the fuck up.

>pay me more money and accidents won’t happen
>ok
>accidents happen anyway

Amazing logic. Libshits deserve what they spew out.

>>53677256
Yeah, funny enough the membership were willing to take a L when compared to inflation for better quality of life. The "paid sick days" that were asked for was the union's spineless compromise to the workers decrying the new mandatory work policy that gave, on average, 1 planned day off a month. The unions wouldn't even fight that policy, a majority of coworkers (and I) believe that the union leadership is bought and paid for, doing little other than half assed measures and weak rally cries to put on the show that they are trying to fight.

>>53674854
>commies will use this as an example as to why capitalism is evil and we need more government
I hate it here

>>53674854
Pretty kino photo, ngl.

>>53681051
You don't know shit. I'm a republican and you embody the worst kind, one that has no factual basis but runs your mouth anyway.

The railroad retirement is 100% self funded; the companies contribution is substantial but that is due to the fact that we gave up any kind of 401k matching in return. Railroad retirement is the entirety of our retirement, to the point where whatever we would get from social security is "opted out" and goes to that retirement policy instead. Those are the reasons the retirement is worth a shit, and for the record, retiremet age is 60 and nationwide statistics for all railroads is the average retiree collects 18 checks before death. Do the math on that one. For my amazing "benefits and retirement", I could multiply my check by .65 and that's what I actually received net. For my 60-90 hours a week. Keep that in mind when you spew your own bullshit.

The membership didn't ask for raises. We asked for quality of life and genuine fatigue measures. What we got was the brass ring prize for getting ass fucked in quality of life and working conditions. We were lucky to ALMOST break even with inflation over the last 6 years, but the price for that unwanted "gift" was heavy.

>>53681096
Genuinely curious what you think the answer is to reducing things like this. I’m really not sure myself. I think the issue is probably that our infrastructure is rotting and the diverse people of today aren’t up to the task of maintaining it.

>>53681145
While I'm not sure what the answer is, it is obvious that railroad workers are basically government slaves with the rail strike shit.

This is to the US what Chernobyl was to the URSS. And we all know what happened to the URSS after Chernobyl...

>>53678994
>Lmao it’s rich pricks like it’s always been

Yes and these "rich pricks" happen to be disproportionately Jewish.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/02/07/ohio-train-derailment-toxic-impacts/

>>53679327
Jaguars aren't going to fuck you either

>>53681145
Capitalism as a system works when the governing bodies do their job in keeping the companies honest. When the companies grow large enough that pac funds, political donations, and lobbying efforts are big enough that they can "buy" the politicians who are supposed to keep the system honest, it all falls apart. This is an example of failure of the governing system, not of the economic one. Add on that career politicians never have to rejoin society under the conditions they create, and the negative feedback loop is destroyed that would otherwise be a check and balance for the system.

"Citizen-politicians" was the key word within the concept of "by the people, for the people"

>>53677535
why haven't those peoples jobs been automated yet? it should not be that hard to control something that always runs on the same rails to the same places

>>53681203
That sounds right, but you’re still diagnosing the problem, not proposing a solution. Do you think there is one that isn’t just more government oversight?

Oy vey activate the UFO FUD

>>53677519
>>53681164

Have you guys watched the Chernobyl mini series recently? I re-watched it and the similarities between the late 80's USSR and current west/USA are crazy.

>>53677258
Holy shit its that bad?

>Biden personally intervenes to prevent rail strikes
>catastrophe happens as a direct result
>oh shit better shoot down some balloons and make the goys think I'm not responsible for ruining the lives of thousands of people

>>53681210
Let me know when you are comfotable with a solo robot being your paramedic and ambulance service should you get injured. I'm sure the programmed subroutines and inbuilt learning algorithms will get it right when it's your turn

Now multiply that by 10,000 as we consider that a singular tank car, out of a train of 100 cars, can contain 25-30,000 liquid gallons of airborne toxins, or even something as simple as chlorine that will absolutely destroy the ground water table of a city for decades.

This isn't the monorail, where the system is contained to an engineered loop that has no uncalculated contact with people, vehicles, or cities where the environment is predictable. This system is intertwined with America and picks up, delivers, and handles millions of tons of every kind of product through millions of public crossings, centers of cities and towns, manufacturing facilities, the list goes on. The range of unpredictable situations and public exposure is probably greater than a factor of ten compared to a subway system or a bullet train.

>>53679040

>>53681230
It's at the bottom. Citizen politicians. We started with a system where for only a couple months out of the year would politicians be politicians. The rest of the time they were carpenters, veterinarians, doctors, you name it... So they would make decisions and then rejoin the communities and be governed by those decisions just like the people they represent. Take that check and balance away, and it is no longer "by the people, for the people" and instead "by the people in power, for the people in power"

>>53681292
pretty much

>>53679899
you will always be a shit colored low IQ parasite

>>53674854
I breathe vinyl chloride at work all day bad its not really don't even rear respirotor no more

>>53681429
>I breathe vinyl chloride at work all day
We can tell.

>>53681297
i don't think that you can compare what is basically customer service to driving one of the worlds easiest to control vehicles. it literally runs on a fixed path and you can use modern sensors and signals to avoid dangers much much better than those "overworked" phone scrollers ever could. the guy is going to lose his focus because the job is super boring as most of the time he just has to make the train move and stop it when it arrives to its destination

Honestly though what are the affects of the toxins for people who live in a 75-100 mile radius? Its so hard to find any actual information about the potential damage for people that are close but not too close

>>53681452
Well I've been working in PVC manufacturing for 2 years nothing bad yet. It's a good industry, lots of young guys barely any boomers so its chill and pay is pretty good.

>car
have to constantly be at the wheel to keep it on the road and on the correct lane
>train
entirely guided by the rail

the only place where humans are needed with a train is the maintenance side. to make sure that the rails are in perfect condition and the trains themselves are working as intended. you don't need a guy manually driving it in the current year

>>53681541
>lots of young guys barely any boomers
Yeah because they all died from the chemicals

>>53674854
I golden rule of boomers destroy and poison everything they touch hold true once again but dont think about that.. the big sports ball game is on today

>>53681021
Yes that is exactly the point. And I'll grant that, at the time of publishing, that may have been refreshing or timely. But it's so tired by now. Again on the micro-level it's an enjoyable-enough read, but it delivers its statements with such grand import for something so, blah. Sophomoric. "Capitalism is the American Religion and Consumption is our Worship! Popular Culture is Modern Myth!". Wow. Groundbreaking, a masterwork of our time.
>>53677713
Indeed.

>>53681652
Huh, well I was going to read it but you've made some interesting points. Do you not care for post-modern novels in general?

>>53681168
Kill all rich people and let god sort them out

>>53681768
this, we should ban rich people.
there should be a maximum income of $50,000. nobody is allowed to make more.

>>53674854
Oy vey DELETE THIS OR ELSE,
JIDF do you read me?!

>schizo thread
>take your meds
>its da joos
>go back to chud
>vax is safe and effective
>women can have cocks too

>>53681485
Again, monorail or subway system? With no public crossings or interaction with traffic? Handling a set load weight that is consistent every time? Sure. I totally agree with you there. Americas railroad is intertwined fucking everywhere like a spider web, and the public exposure is huge. When you combine that exposure with the sheer volume of materials hauled, you get Ohio. You say easy to control, and in some ways you're right. You don't have to steer, and there is throttle modulation of forward and back, engine air brakes and car brakes, and dynamic braking of the drive motors. The crux of the problem is the severity of actions. If there is a problem a mile away, and you're now just thinking about it at track speed, you're already in oh-shit territory. Add in millions of miles of track that have to be constantly monitored and repaired, multiple already existing signaling and safety systems, some over 60 years old, just to list a few... The infrastructure and maintenance needs of the network is gargantuan. Shit goes wrong all the time. I was still seeing new shit, personally, at least twice a month after 13 years. And I'm one worker out of 10,000.. and that's just the numbers for one of the several class 1 railroads in the u.s.

The situation sounds relatively workable on paper, but the logistics of the sheer size of the network and countless systems makes it anything but predictable. On a daily basis decisions are made by every crew that take into account all of the widely varying conditions, such as grade, weather conditions, tonnage, car contents, whether liquid or solid/shifting loads, condition of the air brake system and compressor, track conditions, the list goes on. Easy to control in terms of control count? Yes. The sheer volume of factors that drastically change how the train handles, forces involved in a mile long 18,000 ton train, no. You aren't driving mom's Corolla to Walmart here.

>>53681724
I guess that does come down to personal taste; I do find something about post-modernism deeply unsatisfying. But I also wouldn't discourage you from reading it. I don't regret doing so, and clearly I'm a little excited that I have occasion to discuss it. For a novel of its size (not particularly large) it's actually worth the time you'll spend with it.

>>53679899
institutional racism is real

Also, just because it was mentioned
>Overworked phone scrollers

Lmao. Okay. In cab cameras and a federal mandate that not only can we not be on our phones, or any electronic device for that matter, they have to be off and stowed out of sight in our bags during operation of the train. We also can't have any form of reading material, unless it's train/cargo paperwork and documents or the rule book. "overworked phone scrollers" is a straw man statement.

>>53681536
>Its so hard to find any actual information
and so hard to trust whatever we do find

>>53681777
except members of the world economic forum of course they should and would be exempt. our precious "stakeholders" must be protected at all costs!

>>53679899
>persecution fetish
hand waving away legitimate grievances is how you end up with a real holocaust, anon

>>53681485
if job is easy and comfy
why you not do it?
maybe it's not easy and comfy

>>53674854
those property values just went to zero
insurance wont cover that
d.c. might cover it if ohio votes dem

>>53681485
>anon doesn't know shit
>confidently displays that he doesn't know shit
>anon is a retard
Wow, thanks anon.

>>53681787
>>53681828
bro, quit taking the bait

>>53681994
Lol I know. I'm swallowing that fucker.

I persist because I wish people were more educated on this shit. More corporate America ruining America for profits. As an industry we've been trying to be more vocal about it for years. Changing careers was the best thing I've done in the last decade

>>53681800
Which institution is the most racist? I want to send my kids there for school.

>>53682084
any school in north america should suffice. but larger cities, california, and canada are great choices if you want especially high levels of institutional racism against caucasians.

>>53681787
i appreciate the effort posting

>>53682028
Bro railroad ain't worth it. Worked there for like a year and there is such a hard disconnect between management and running trades that it's not worth it. Bunch of retarded boomers on top lead by jewish boomers above them shitting and pissing themselves. Leave them with their golems and let the whole fucking thing collapse.

who in fuck is in charge of 'fixing' this shit?
>Gee, we got a derailment, tankers full of Bad Shit
>'I got this - Lets BLOW HOLES in 'em tankers, let the Bad Shit leak out, then SET IT ON FIRE!'
>Hell, Yeah!
wut go rong - Chinks couldnt manage to inflict damage on this epic scale if they tried.

>>53681541
Kek

>>53677841
wow cry me a river you dumb cunt faggot 70 hour weeks for 2 years thats so impressive. fucking kill yourself

>>53681429
you obviously immune to cancerous substances anon. Tell 'em you volunteer go in and clear it up

>>53678827
It really is. I'm starting to reconsider whether America is even safe anymore.

>>53682854
this post was made by AI

>>53683125
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. I have no choice but to recommend you drop the mindless patriotism.

>>53679040
Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba would gladly join the Great Plains.

>>53674854
gotta thin the herd somehow after bill gates and the vaccine crew got caught

verification not required

Guys guys!!

This is what happens when you hypocritically endorse a banal amoral ideology to then curtail the managerial freedoms of American industrialists with excessive regulations!!!

>>53677337
>wow. I really like the idea of using a blockchain for supply chain management. I’d love to know where my food and products really come from.
Bizonacci was truly ahead of his time

>>53677961
Damn that’s so North Korean lol.

>>53681051
Rope tonight, the world will be a better place without you in it

>>53682817
Get raped by a pack of niggers, government cocksucker.

>>53682817
Same to you. Blow your brains out

>>53682817
some people are just babies and not cut out for real work. looks like you made some of the mad. Kek, snowflakes.

>>53678999
Yeah but you aren't (checked ha?! Get it?

Sadly we have jewish puppets as goverment so it's over

>>53681485
You are absolutely fucking retarded.
Try keep 25000 tonnes rolling downhill at 60mph under control. Or how about keeping a three mile long train that's simultaneously going uphill and downhill at the same time in 3 places from ripping apart. Try running a badly build train where all the weight is on the ass end and it's constantly trying to pull itself apart.

There is no area of transportation that has more variables at any given time than running a train.

>>53677258
Stay the fuck out of Florida I'll fucking kill your parasites we're full go die outside state borders you subhuman gutter trash 3rd world piece of dogshit, kill yourself.

>>53682659
lmao

>>53681541
>lots of young guys barely any boomers
How strange

>>53681787
Bumping for this beautiful effort post.