/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>53489377
Why would a war on the others side of the world where US imports nothing from affect prices here?

>>53489397
You don't know, the market do.
Here's why the markets are pumping and you're poor af.

>>53489377
Ukraine is winning though..? No for real, how are they losing? Ive only heard they were winning

>>53489406
Yes, lol

>>53489418
Huh

>>53489406
That is because you are only listening to one side of the propaganda. They just lost Bakhmut to Russia a city they held the entire war.

>>53489406
of course America will only say that America is winning, fucking kek

>>53489457
They're losing, and the market is pumping because of that.

>>53489435
>>53489457
i dont get where to find these sources. i just googled bakhmut (first time hearing of it btw), the new york says it's still being contested

>>53489484
new york times** and cnbc says ukraine repelled the attack. are these just factually incorrect or are u lying

>>53489484
The chart, isn't that enough?

>>53489484
They just took it yesterday. Now the fight is for the surrounding villages. The city was extremely important for Ukraine because all their supply lines ran through it. Them losing this city is the whole reason why all those countries are sending tanks in desperation.

>>53489484
>>53489495
is this a troll or are Americans really this inept and clueless

>>53489508
I guess he's trolling

>>53489508
>>53489530
I don't think he is joking. Sadly I am American and 80% of the people I know are exactly like him.

>>53489545
retarded plebbitors? That's sad

>>53489508
>>53489530
>>53489545
OK great russia has captured bakhmut. where can i read about this capture. i would love to know more.

ok

>>53489566
>Source?
The chart, look at it, it's enough.

>>53489566
just go to blacknut and look for yourself sweatie

>>53489377
What financial asset are other financial assets now rising relative to?

Here's a hint: a great amount of this financial asset has been lent to a country currently at war. Does the market think those debts will ever be repaid if that country loses its war? And what would a sovereign default mean for the short and long term demand-side pressure on this financial asset?

>>53489591
>>53489603
Nobody gives a shit about your war, Ivan. Go shill for the kremlin elsewhere.

>>53489377
source?

>>53489615
Actually a big part of those money went just into US weapons.
Ukraine and US losing this retarded dead end war means that recession is gone and everyone can get back to business

>>53489377
They won't lose anon.

>>53489622
Idk man, >>53489566 seems to care

>>53489622
>Nobody gives a shit about your war
>US and JEWrope give more aid to Ukraine than they've spent on their own people's welfare
ok Kike.

>>53489406
It’s hard to say who’s gonna win right now. The advantageous side changes frequently.

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ukraine is winning; I would rather they lose, but it's pretty clear the russians are incompetent beyond belief and even a kike country like ukraine can beat their ass

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>>53489622
look mom I posted it again

>>53489622
I'm sure the 70 year old Ukrainian draftees care about the war.

The sooner the war ends the sooner we pump. Doesn't matter the winner. I feel like they are preparing a giga pump and when the war ends the FED will announce the pivot and every normie will be priced out forever

>>53489406
Niggy you need to stop reading pro-Ukr propaganda, it's genuinely pathetic the kind of redditor/star wars/mcu shit that gets pushed.

No I'm not muh Russian bot, Russia is on the offensive right now but I'm not convinced that this is decisive vs something that can be reversed like last year/early this year.

Also I don't think Bakhmut has fallen, pro Russian posters have just been talking about RU forces taking surrounding villages and such, preparing to take the city.

>>53489655
>>53489661
>>53489665
>>53489681
Wow, I'm so demoralized right now...
No amount of psyops on a mongolian basket-weaving forum is going to sway anything. You're better off just looking for a new job.

>>53489566
Nope I checked my sources and bakmut is still being contested
Defense politics Asia channel on YouTube is a good place that consolidates sources.

>>53489727
>demoralizing you
>by posting that Russia is winning an overgrown border dispute
I hope you aren't American

>>53489648
You really think that the US government handed billions of dollars of cash they just had on hand to the Ukraine, which then handed these billions of dollars back to the US Military Industrial Complex? You really think that none of this was financed in any way via USD denominated debt at any point, and that no one out there is holding some kind of a bag? One doesn't even need to know the details to see that this isn't how this kind of thing works.

Come on now.jpg

I'd be shocked if even a double digit percent of the money lent in 2022 has been repaid (or will be repaid, if they indeed lose sovereignty).

i am related to ukrainians by law and they all are talking about going back
i don't watch the news and don't really care who wins
do what you will with this anecdotal information

Ukraine is an excuse to print

>>53489799
Do you think all those weapons are for free? Who got the cash for those, ukraine or the military complex?

I would've thought that Western Europe and North America would be more self-reliant, depending very little on Eastern Europe given the Cold War.

>>53489835
And when that cash was handed to the US MIC, do you think that all debts involved were settled?

Or do you think that some other institution(s) took the other side of this deal by giving the Ukrainians the money they gave to the weapons makers? Some market participant(s) out there right now are owed a lot of USD and USD interest by the Ukranians, who become less likely to ever honour those obligations by the day. Somebody is holding a bag -- though granted it's probably not the US MIC, as you say.

>>53489915
>>53489835

And remember, that long-term Ukranian debt is marked as an "asset" on someone's balance sheet somewhere. Just how do you think those bag-holders will go about trying to collect their money?

This is why nations go to war -- don't you see it? Everyone here rambles about how all wars are started by the little financiers pulling the strings behind the scenes...but didn't anyone bother to try to understand the actual mechanisms by which these strings are pulled?

>>53489915
>money laundering to ukraine back to the us politicians
>money flowing back to US to buy shitty weapons
>ukraine literally bought and ready to become a US property in the EU
>war fought without body bags coming back to the US
It's a win win for the US

>>53489377
doesnt matter faggot.
the jews are gonna crash all the trad fiat and replace it with CBDC's
just buy RSR if u wanna make it.
final warning.
also fuck jewkraine

>>53489435
>lost Bakhmut
Nope. Russia is still sending human waves to their deaths in Bakhmut while ukies mowe them down

>>53489721
You’re fucking retarded. You don’t even realize how fucked nato is. You know bakhmut? You’re dumb ass can barely find it on a map. But go type it into mapquest, cuz you’re that stupid. Now see how far from Poland it is. Now realize nato has to send all logistics and supplies from Poland to bakhmut. Yeah, supplies have to be sent cuz shit like diesel and ammo dont just magically appear like your commie ass thinks it does. and if shit gets broken, yeah it’s a war, shit gets broken like tanks and trucks and artillery, have to be sent back to Poland and then back to bakhmut. Why Poland? Cuz Russia will bomb any manufacturing inside Ukraine. Supposedly there are some repair facilities inside Ukraine, but they are scared and Russia is constantly looking out for them. They have to move to another site every few days. And if Russia finds them, those people are hard to replace. Now why would Russia give that up?

TLDR: nato spends huge amounts of logistics to keep bakhmut going. Your dumbass doesn’t realize it. Neither does nato. Cuz you’re a dumb cnn watching commie that thinks the world runs on magic.

>>53489721
If Russia couldn't win it in the first month they're certainly not going to get a victory now. More likely some faggy peace treaty will come soon with Zelensky giving some token land over so Putin can save face

>>53490761
Sending stuff from Poland to Bakhmut costs pretty much nothing to NATO, it basically just pennies to them

>>53490788
>russia will win
See, that wasn't so hard. Why do you faggots have to be so disingenuous and add all that extra cope?

I wish the Russian shills would get drafted for human wave attacks.

>>53489566
Twitter.

>>53489377
K keep me posted

>>53491651
What about the NATO shills

>>53489566
Imaging not knowing about /chug/ on /pol/

>>53491651
Kys

>>53491793
NOOO! The Nato shillerinos are the good guys!

>>53489678
>Believing this image

>>53493263
lol

>>53490676
source

>>53489377
test

>>53489859
The western world is very global and connected these days. Even one war, something that used to happen constantly before, is enough to put it into recession. It's become a very delicate web.

>>53491793
At least qanon stuff kept to itself and wasn't constantly engaging other posters.

not a single source in the entire thread by the way

>>53495380
War is tough to keep track of even for a benign party. Mix in propaganda from east and west and its nigh impossible to get accurate information. Pic rel speaks about this.

>>53489377
we're not winning until we have signage in local towns advising schoolchildren to watch out for Kikes on their way to school. Stranger Jew Danger. Also we told all of you niggerdick sucking faggots sthat shemitah was ending and that 2023 would be all green and jews would be screeching

>>53489397
>Why would a war on the others side of the world where US imports nothing from affect prices here?
>imports nothing
Stay in your lane retard

>>53495513
Meds. Now.

>>53489721
>I'm not convinced that this is decisive vs something that can be reversed like last year/early this year.
okay well i guess you missed the activation of another 300,000+ russian soldiers, a feat that russia can repeat six times over from their reserves before they have to draft the first completely average citizen.

>>53495922
then
>Those himars can change the war, Russia is losing
now
>Those tanks can change the war, Russia is losing
and
>Yes, maybe Nato should take active part in the fight, we need to send troops there

I don't care about discussing this media/propaganda crap. Biden the shitter caused the market to collapse because of a retarded war and now market is recovering.
This alone speaks more and better than everything else.

>>53489406
No matter who wins (U.S. or Russia), Ukraine loses. They've lost millions of their citizens as refugees, especially young women needed to reproduce, so they're fucked with the next generation. They've lost over 20% of their landmass and basically anything of strategic value (crimea). And good luck getting into NATO or the EU. They're playing their role as a pawn of the U.S./Israel perfectly though.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293403/cee-ukrainian-refugees-by-country/

>>53489495
>new york times** and cnbc
so these are the normies I've heard tell of

Who would benefit by saying Ukraine is winning when it's not? If news was spread Ukraine was losing then they would get more donations. Sometimes, conspiracy retards are really retarded. I mean, always retarded. Not sometimes.

>>53489397
MSM has trained the boomer cattle investor that the west is dependent on Ukrainian resources and the war is to blame for inflation